Bee Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Alison]

I'm probably just going to vote Kyle and see if the game ends. It's pretty hard for me to choose who's fooling me in Bo/Martin/Mikey so I'd prefer to let the nightkill eliminate one possibility for me. Or maybe the game just ends and I don't have to worry about any of that.

[Alison]

I kinda felt like she was a potential ML if we reversed direction on Kyle/Nanook; which I was personally thinking of doing so since Nook flipped bee.

I'm not really confident at all on Kyle being mafia given his interactions with me yesterday.

I was also pretty surprised since I was definitely going to vote her in F3 if it got there. I expected ts account to die actually.

me too
80% of living players considered me lock clear for being in favor of killing 2 wolves
I have ideas on what it means and I don't particularly like any of them

Well normally it means your reads are game throwingly bad

the problem is that afaict you don't have any

[MartinGG99]

Falcon's whole iso doesn't really have any positive spew about BK and it could be just distancing; he doesn't really vote until later.

BK doesn't even vote Falcon but has him in the PoE. The competing suspect? Esooa.

Bo was the slot that both scum piled on to save Falcon though.

Okay, so why didn't they jump on anyone else?

Wouldn't both scum jumping on the same wagon, out of all the others they could use for a save, raise a tiny bit of suspicion that it's coordinated like that for a reason?

[Alison]

It could also mean Esooa was on the right track to uncovering a deep wolf but I looked at her ISO and she was pushing the same nanook/Kyle lines. She called them both townie at times but then said "well most people agree it's one of you two". Maybe she was just shot for being a loose cannon (which would imply that we are in fact going to F3 and Kyle is a bad exe).

[Alison]

Falcon's whole iso doesn't really have any positive spew about BK and it could be just distancing; he doesn't really vote until later.

BK doesn't even vote Falcon but has him in the PoE. The competing suspect? Esooa.

Bo was the slot that both scum piled on to save Falcon though.

Okay, so why didn't they jump on anyone else?

Wouldn't both scum jumping on the same wagon, out of all the others they could use for a save, raise a tiny bit of suspicion that it's coordinated like that for a reason?

no

falcon was voting counterwagon which is normal behavior and there was 0 suspicion on quin d1

scum wouldn't feel alarmed by the possibility that it was coordinated

[MartinGG99]

[VOTE: BoKnowsTooMuch] aubergine
Get it? Because he's informed?

I don't think it's correct to vote Bo here regardless because nook and Esooa both had Bo as top town.

I'm not sure if its correct since one got NK'ed and the other day deleted, much less if its correct to leave reads uncontested.

If anything though that should suggest I'm the scum here, but I know I'm not.

[Alison]

[VOTE: BoKnowsTooMuch] aubergine
Get it? Because he's informed?

I don't think it's correct to vote Bo here regardless because nook and Esooa both had Bo as top town.

I'm not sure if its correct since one got NK'ed and the other day deleted, much less if its correct to leave reads uncontested.

If anything though that should suggest I'm the scum here, but I know I'm not.

I mean that they are both townies and strongly felt that Bo was town (and stated their logic, which I agree with) so it's sensible to listen to their reasoning.

[MartinGG99]

Falcon's whole iso doesn't really have any positive spew about BK and it could be just distancing; he doesn't really vote until later.

BK doesn't even vote Falcon but has him in the PoE. The competing suspect? Esooa.

Bo was the slot that both scum piled on to save Falcon though.

Okay, so why didn't they jump on anyone else?

Wouldn't both scum jumping on the same wagon, out of all the others they could use for a save, raise a tiny bit of suspicion that it's coordinated like that for a reason?

no

falcon was voting counterwagon which is normal behavior and there was 0 suspicion on quin d1

scum wouldn't feel alarmed by the possibility that it was coordinated

I don't think they were concerned about being coordinated

I think they may have been concerned and considered who they coordinated against in order to save falcon, if they intended to save at all.

[MartinGG99]

[VOTE: BoKnowsTooMuch] aubergine
Get it? Because he's informed?

I don't think it's correct to vote Bo here regardless because nook and Esooa both had Bo as top town.

I'm not sure if its correct since one got NK'ed and the other day deleted, much less if its correct to leave reads uncontested.

If anything though that should suggest I'm the scum here, but I know I'm not.

I mean that they are both townies and strongly felt that Bo was town (and stated their logic, which I agree with) so it's sensible to listen to their reasoning.

Their reasoning?

Off the top of my head I haven't seen much from Esooa about that but I'll go check both.

[BoKnows]

@MartinGG99 If you got any questions for them away.

[Alison]

if BK is scum I think they pile on ratrug d1 for sure

[Alison]

[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

E-2

Thought about all the other options, only Kylemii makes sense to me. I'm going to double check my reads on the others though.

[MartinGG99]

okay it's 5:20 and i am still awake and that makes me sad so

i'm caught up.

i'm not voting for alison or seanzie until i've given them both proper reading.

nobody is even talking about falcon beyond meta reads and somehow he's the lead wagon. fuck that.

[VOTE: BK] aubergine because of things i have said early on.

And this probably makes bo town

This is basically the only thing Nook says about Bo that has reasoning; I asked something about it to him but that's irrelevant now as that was at a time where there were 2 scum still alive.

Kyle just floating around

He's always floating around.

I give you one chance to convince me you're not scum with Seanzie. Tell me who the other mafia is.

Just check who's in the "Scum Chat", and those people that you're looking for. Only thing is that would make them your partners...

Very awkward response. You're scum with Seanzie.

Can you explain your thought process behind the posts you made in this chain, Bo?

Kyle's floating around post was just about Kyle making joke posts and I was hoping it would incentive them to get into the convo.

My scum chat comment was my attempt of a funny comment. Sounds like I need to work on my comedy a little bit.

The confused face is indicating that I am confused on how Alison came up with those results with the confidence that she did.

thanks

feeling pretty alright on Bo being town

Good afternoon. I currently read Seanzie as town. If that is true then c4, fingersplints, ts account and Quin all look good. I am currently looking at the following options: BK, falcon, Ratrug.

BK makes sense because he has wolf equity regardless of Sean's alignment and has generally uninspiring posting.

falcon makes sense because he is obvtown perhaps 80% of the time when he is town, and he is currently not obvtown. Furthermore, the wagon on him is afaict extremely pure.

Ratrug makes sense because every post he makes is trash and he only comes in to defend himself and doesn't see to care a single bit about solving the game.

After laying these reasons out I am inclined to desire falcon/Ratrug competing wagons.

I agree completely with these wagons, though not so much that BK is scum

This is basically all the reasoning I can find on BK being town, and a lot of it is implicit rather than explicit. Everything else is either a stated scum or town-read on BK.

[MartinGG99]

@MartinGG99 If you got any questions for them away.

I don't have any for you. I don't expect you to remember clearly what you were thinking days ago because neither would I.

If I think of some that I find useful I will ask.

[MartinGG99]

if BK is scum I think they pile on ratrug d1 for sure

You don't think they're capable of a gambit?

Heck while this may be out of their league (because I don't know their typical skill level) we eventually deleted Rat Rug on D2 anyways. Like, from some perspectives, they don't need to save onto that slot that's going to be deleted anyways because no one wants to lose to a slot like that.

[MartinGG99]

And just being on that wagon d1 if Ratrug was deleted could make them look worse.

[MartinGG99]

What I mean to say is, I don't think its even guaranteed or strongly convincing they tried to save Falcon and there could have been ulterior motives such as attempting to minimize damage after Falcon's gone.

Though I suppose I can't really answer why BK votes Esooa over Falcon in that case. Quin doesn't vote falcon IMO because he views it as being meta-based and I think him returning to FM here after such a long time is a factor that should be considered as having implications we may not arguably know.

[MartinGG99]

I'll admit my case and read on BK makes some assumptions but I do believe it makes the most sense out of everyone else here to me.

But I am slightly concerned why no one has called me scum or suspicious for pushing this after two town-readers of BK *just* died.

[ts account]

I kinda felt like she was a potential ML if we reversed direction on Kyle/Nanook; which I was personally thinking of doing so since Nook flipped bee.

I'm not really confident at all on Kyle being mafia given his interactions with me yesterday.

I was also pretty surprised since I was definitely going to vote her in F3 if it got there. I expected ts account to die actually.

me too
80% of living players considered me lock clear for being in favor of killing 2 wolves
I have ideas on what it means and I don't particularly like any of them

Well normally it means your reads are game throwingly bad

the problem is that afaict you don't have any

alternatively, an Alison, ts account, BK f3 is kind of unwinnable for me

[BoKnows]

I'll admit my case and read on BK makes some assumptions but I do believe it makes the most sense out of everyone else here to me.

But I am slightly concerned why no one has called me scum or suspicious for pushing this after two town-readers of BK *just* died.

Can't speak for everyone but I think it's fatigue.

[BoKnows]

I don't even know why Kyle is next in line for the PoE.

GTH reads

ts account - got nothing on. NANOOK said never even in f3 so idk that's a +1 I guess.
Martin - Putting in the work. Don't love that he's scum reading me but it's whatever. Did Esooa ever tunnel you for that vote(?)
Alison - Been widely town read from D1. Surprised she's still here kicking it. Uh idk didn't seem too into the game but that's whatever cause I'm feeling the game fatigue too.
Kyle - I've read through a lot of posts but none of them are sticking to me. The only player here that hasn't made an impression on me.

[Alison]

[unvote][/unvote]

I just thought of a reason why Kyle might be town

Which is that c4 and Esooa were both unorthodox kills. Unorthodox kills points to deepwolf.

But I have strong reasons to townread everyone else. Martin and ts account were on falcon's wagon the day scum tried to orchestrate falcon being saved, and BK was the target of their save wagon. Quin was super tilted at being shot in a way they wouldn't be if they had a really deep wolf that would win the game for them.

[Alison]

Gonna think about it a bit more.

[Alison]

Oh yeah Esooa did have a strong scumread on Martin. So her kill makes sense in a Martin wolf world.

[Alison]

But it also makes sense in a Kyle wolf world because he needs to get two people besides him killed and the only way to do that is to frame them.

[BoKnows]

Oh yeah Esooa did have a strong scumread on Martin. So her kill makes sense in a Martin wolf world.

Maybe. Martin brought up the fact that no one scum read him and his case on me seems towny to me. I don't think scum would want to bring unnecessary attention to themselves like that. Unless they're going for a deep-deep fake, Philly special kinda move. That seems overly risky to do at this stage in the game.

[Kylemii]

sloonei voice "it seems like a good time for one of Kyle's patented trustfalls excersizes"

what who said that

[Alison]

im waiting

[BoKnows]

morning everyone

[Kylemii]

im waiting

for what

[Alison]

sloonei voice "it seems like a good time for one of Kyle's patented trustfalls excersizes"

what who said that

[Alison]

[VOTE: kylemii] aubergine

[BoKnows]

im waiting

for what

this made me chuckle lol

[Kylemii]

sloonei voice "it seems like a good time for one of Kyle's patented trustfalls excersizes"

what who said that

That was a suggestion for you, you dork

[Kylemii]

you're sitting around pouting that you trust everyone too much, I suggested that you spend some time reexamining that

why would I be doing a trustfall in this circumstance. I haven't arbitrarily decided to trust 3/4 of the players in the game without clear reasons so the exersize wouldn't be useful for me

[Kylemii]

If anything I'll probably just end up doing isos or something

[BoKnows]

sloonei voice "it seems like a good time for one of Kyle's patented trustfalls excersizes"

what who said that

That was a suggestion for you, you dork

Why don't you?

[Kylemii]

sloonei voice "it seems like a good time for one of Kyle's patented trustfalls excersizes"

what who said that

That was a suggestion for you, you dork

Why don't you?

explained prior, trustfall exersize is useful only when you've run out of suspects and need to reanalyze why you trust the people you trust

[BoKnows]

sloonei voice "it seems like a good time for one of Kyle's patented trustfalls excersizes"

what who said that

That was a suggestion for you, you dork

Why don't you?

explained prior, trustfall exersize is useful only when you've run out of suspects and need to reanalyze why you trust the people you trust

Who are your suspects?

[Kylemii]

sloonei voice "it seems like a good time for one of Kyle's patented trustfalls excersizes"

what who said that

That was a suggestion for you, you dork

Why don't you?

explained prior, trustfall exersize is useful only when you've run out of suspects and need to reanalyze why you trust the people you trust

Who are your suspects?

sort of assumed I'd be dead by now and I've been too annoyed at the entire game stalling after sweeping 2/3 of the mafia to yeet nanook and I instead of people spending that time to actually scumhunt to.... also do any scumhunting myself lol.

I'll look through things later maybe.

[BoKnows]

sloonei voice "it seems like a good time for one of Kyle's patented trustfalls excersizes"

what who said that

That was a suggestion for you, you dork

Why don't you?

explained prior, trustfall exersize is useful only when you've run out of suspects and need to reanalyze why you trust the people you trust

Who are your suspects?

sort of assumed I'd be dead by now and I've been too annoyed at the entire game stalling after sweeping 2/3 of the mafia to yeet nanook and I instead of people spending that time to actually scumhunt to.... also do any scumhunting myself lol.

I'll look through things later maybe.

I don't understand your thought process.
-> "it seems like a good time for one of Kyle's patented trustfalls excersizes"
-> Was a suggestion for Alison.
-> Wants Alison to do it because she ran out of suspects.
-> Has no suspects and still didn't to do a trustfall. Might look through things later.

[Kylemii]

correct. you didn't understand it

[BoKnows]

I'm not trying to be a hardass because I'm no shiny example of going out and getting reads but I don't understand the thought process

[Kylemii]

I don't have any suspects because I haven't been paying attention and have been waiting to die.

Alison doesn't have any suspects because she's cleared too many people for reasons that I guess I personally don't understand.

[BoKnows]

I don't have any suspects because I haven't been paying attention and have been waiting to die.

Alison doesn't have any suspects because she's cleared too many people for reasons that I guess I personally don't understand.

Okay thanks. Do you think that Alison could of cleared some of those people because she knew their alignment and slapped a random reason on why they're cleared?

[BoKnows]

This is going against the grain a little but I wouldn't mind voting out Alison. Out of everyone here I feel like she would have the best chance of being a deepwolf. Townread from the start, had a couple rounds where she didn't do too much.

[Kylemii]

I don't have any suspects because I haven't been paying attention and have been waiting to die.

Alison doesn't have any suspects because she's cleared too many people for reasons that I guess I personally don't understand.

Okay thanks. Do you think that Alison could of cleared some of those people because she knew their alignment and slapped a random reason on why they're cleared?

I'm not familiar enough with the game to say something like that. But I don't think it would necessarily need to be like that.

it's more possible alison saw herself needing to take out exactly 3 more people and seeing me and nook in the poe saw that as an easy shortcut to 2/3 of the way there, but the problem with that is, that exact thing can be true about anyone alive.

[Kylemii]

This is going against the grain a little but I wouldn't mind voting out Alison. Out of everyone here I feel like she would have the best chance of being a deepwolf. Townread from the start, had a couple rounds where she didn't do too much.

I'm worried about alison being "too obvious" for basically that exact same reason

like through no fault of her own she's simultaneously potential low hanging fruit and potential deepwolf at the same time

[BoKnows]

This is going against the grain a little but I wouldn't mind voting out Alison. Out of everyone here I feel like she would have the best chance of being a deepwolf. Townread from the start, had a couple rounds where she didn't do too much.

I'm worried about alison being "too obvious" for basically that exact same reason

like through no fault of her own she's simultaneously potential low hanging fruit and potential deepwolf at the same time

Part me me wants to flip her and the other part of me thinks that's a dumb play. I wouldn't necessarily call her low hanging fruit either.

[BoKnows]

I kinda felt like she was a potential ML if we reversed direction on Kyle/Nanook; which I was personally thinking of doing so since Nook flipped bee.

I'm not really confident at all on Kyle being mafia given his interactions with me yesterday.

I was also pretty surprised since I was definitely going to vote her in F3 if it got there. I expected ts account to die actually.

me too
80% of living players considered me lock clear for being in favor of killing 2 wolves
I have ideas on what it means and I don't particularly like any of them

Can you elaborate please