Bee Mafia [GAME OVER]

[BoKnows]

This is going against the grain a little but I wouldn't mind voting out Alison. Out of everyone here I feel like she would have the best chance of being a deepwolf. Townread from the start, had a couple rounds where she didn't do too much.

I'm worried about alison being "too obvious" for basically that exact same reason

like through no fault of her own she's simultaneously potential low hanging fruit and potential deepwolf at the same time

Part me me wants to flip her and the other part of me thinks that's a dumb play. I wouldn't necessarily call her low hanging fruit either.

ehhhh screw it. [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[Alison]

you're sitting around pouting that you trust everyone too much, I suggested that you spend some time reexamining that

why would I be doing a trustfall in this circumstance. I haven't arbitrarily decided to trust 3/4 of the players in the game without clear reasons so the exersize wouldn't be useful for me

I've decided that I trust everyone except you

[Alison]

sloonei voice "it seems like a good time for one of Kyle's patented trustfalls excersizes"

what who said that

That was a suggestion for you, you dork

Why don't you?

explained prior, trustfall exersize is useful only when you've run out of suspects and need to reanalyze why you trust the people you trust

Who are your suspects?

sort of assumed I'd be dead by now and I've been too annoyed at the entire game stalling after sweeping 2/3 of the mafia to yeet nanook and I instead of people spending that time to actually scumhunt to.... also do any scumhunting myself lol.

I'll look through things later maybe.

why would you be annoyed at that

flips move the game forward

[Alison]

This is going against the grain a little but I wouldn't mind voting out Alison. Out of everyone here I feel like she would have the best chance of being a deepwolf. Townread from the start, had a couple rounds where she didn't do too much.

I'm worried about alison being "too obvious" for basically that exact same reason

like through no fault of her own she's simultaneously potential low hanging fruit and potential deepwolf at the same time

Part me me wants to flip her and the other part of me thinks that's a dumb play. I wouldn't necessarily call her low hanging fruit either.

ehhhh screw it. [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

that is such a bad vote

[Kylemii]

That was a suggestion for you, you dork

Why don't you?

explained prior, trustfall exersize is useful only when you've run out of suspects and need to reanalyze why you trust the people you trust

Who are your suspects?

sort of assumed I'd be dead by now and I've been too annoyed at the entire game stalling after sweeping 2/3 of the mafia to yeet nanook and I instead of people spending that time to actually scumhunt to.... also do any scumhunting myself lol.

I'll look through things later maybe.

why would you be annoyed at that

flips move the game forward

I think you just going after flips instead of solving the game is one of the things that makes you hard to townread for me. you act like you don't care about solving people since their alignments are revealed after deaths, which is an anti town mindset. you were the same with whoever it was they got yeeted first too

[Kylemii]

that*

[BoKnows]

This is going against the grain a little but I wouldn't mind voting out Alison. Out of everyone here I feel like she would have the best chance of being a deepwolf. Townread from the start, had a couple rounds where she didn't do too much.

I'm worried about alison being "too obvious" for basically that exact same reason

like through no fault of her own she's simultaneously potential low hanging fruit and potential deepwolf at the same time

Part me me wants to flip her and the other part of me thinks that's a dumb play. I wouldn't necessarily call her low hanging fruit either.

ehhhh screw it. [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

that is such a bad vote

gotta stir the pot a little.

[BoKnows]

I feel we got really complacent the past 2 days and now we're here with no leads.

[Kylemii]

you're sitting around pouting that you trust everyone too much, I suggested that you spend some time reexamining that

why would I be doing a trustfall in this circumstance. I haven't arbitrarily decided to trust 3/4 of the players in the game without clear reasons so the exersize wouldn't be useful for me

I've decided that I trust everyone except you

okay sure cool statement whatever

you should probably do it anyways though

[Kylemii]

it doesn't matter whether you personally trust me or not just move past that, we're all on the next page talking about what happens after I'm mis-lynched today get with the program lol

[BoKnows]

@MartinGG99 I want some updated thoughts
@ts account I want some updated thoughts

[Kylemii]

would mafia alison tunnel like this or would she have the endgame planned out too

[Kylemii]

if alison's a wolf, she yeets me, it's final 3. what's her plan then

[Kylemii]

she hasn't talked about another player other than nanook or me in basically 7 real life days

[Kylemii]

mafia's anyone other than alison then the endgame is set up especially well

yeet someone else today, leave alison and me also alive, game over.

[BoKnows]

if alison's a wolf, she yeets me, it's final 3. what's her plan then

My best guess would be to ride her town cred to the finish line. Yeah it's definitely not a full-proof plan.

mafia's anyone other than alison then the endgame is set up especially well

yeet someone else today, leave alison and me also alive, game over.

So I'm assuming you're saying you and Alison would hammer out the third option?

[Kylemii]

if alison's a wolf, she yeets me, it's final 3. what's her plan then

My best guess would be to ride her town cred to the finish line. Yeah it's definitely not a full-proof plan.

mafia's anyone other than alison then the endgame is set up especially well

yeet someone else today, leave alison and me also alive, game over.

So I'm assuming you're saying you and Alison would hammer out the third option?

no, I don't think that alison would vote for anyone other than me at LYLO

[Kylemii]

I was having trouble with the html tags and just gave up lol

[BoKnows]

Hmmm okay. Surprised Martin hasn't popped in yet.

How does everyone feel about TS account? Personally I'm a little hesitant to vote him out because of what NANOOK said.

[Kylemii]

I keep forgetting ts account exists

[BoKnows]

Yeah TS's minimal presence isn't great especially in late game.

[BoKnows]

Yeah TS's minimal presence isn't great especially in late game.

Just thinking out loud here. How would everyone feel about flipping TS account? At this point it seems like whoever we flip we're just hoping that it would end the game. If this thing goes to f3 I would feel more comfortable if we had more high volume, so we can facilitate discussion more easily.

I know it's not a great plan but it's something.

[BoKnows]

Unvote

[Kylemii]

Yeah TS's minimal presence isn't great especially in late game.

Just thinking out loud here. How would everyone feel about flipping TS account? At this point it seems like whoever we flip we're just hoping that it would end the game. If this thing goes to f3 I would feel more comfortable if we had more high volume, so we can facilitate discussion more easily.

I know it's not a great plan but it's something.

I do not feel comfortable with anything whatsoever

[BoKnows]

Yeah TS's minimal presence isn't great especially in late game.

Just thinking out loud here. How would everyone feel about flipping TS account? At this point it seems like whoever we flip we're just hoping that it would end the game. If this thing goes to f3 I would feel more comfortable if we had more high volume, so we can facilitate discussion more easily.

I know it's not a great plan but it's something.

I do not feel comfortable with anything whatsoever

I don't think anyone does but we gotta start thinking of something.

[MartinGG99]

@MartinGG99 I want some updated thoughts
@ts account I want some updated thoughts

One question first though

What are your thoughts if Alison flips town;

Who do you look at next?

[MartinGG99]

Also I just don't really ever feel like TS is wolf here. Last town ping I felt from them was this:

I feel awfully surprised that Esooa got NK'ed but I don't know why that is

it's a choice I'm very okay with personally

Seemed like his statement was spurred from their (authentic) reads that they have. It also felt tone-wise to me similar to when I interacted with him before I voted falcon, which I felt was town.

[BoKnows]

@MartinGG99 I want some updated thoughts
@ts account I want some updated thoughts

One question first though

What are your thoughts if Alison flips town;

Who do you look at next?

that's a tough one. I honestly have no idea. I'd have to wait to see who's left in f3 (assuming I'm in there), and go from there. If we get to f3 I think the night kill would be more telling than Alison flipping town.

[MartinGG99]

@MartinGG99 I want some updated thoughts
@ts account I want some updated thoughts

One question first though

What are your thoughts if Alison flips town;

Who do you look at next?

that's a tough one. I honestly have no idea. I'd have to wait to see who's left in f3 (assuming I'm in there), and go from there. If we get to f3 I think the night kill would be more telling than Alison flipping town.

Okay your answer was better than I expected tbh lol

[MartinGG99]

I'm thinking Alison goes first here.

I was considering voting her first depending on what you said because I was wondering if you were mafia that might constrain your night-kills if Alison flipped town.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[MartinGG99]

But since we were both thinking about the night-kill and how that depends wrt our reads I think that's partially a mind-meld there.

[Kylemii]

please be careful about voties gammr etsc etc

[Kylemii]

i've become drunk by mistake

[Kylemii]

beware hammer*

[MartinGG99]

I was originally thinking BK -> Alison earlier this game

but I honestly think Alison -> ??? if Alison is town is the better move imo

Would have to strongly consider who's townier in Kyle/BK on F3 if both are alive there. If not, then I would have to consider them against *maybe* TS but I really doubt I'll reverse on TS.

[Kylemii]

reviewed ts account and i feel nothing.

did anyone tkeep track of the day 1 and 2 votes please please

[Kylemii]

or day 3?

[MartinGG99]

please be careful about voties gammr etsc etc

There's only 1-vote wagons atm, though the warning is apprciated.

[MartinGG99]

reviewed ts account and i feel nothing.

did anyone tkeep track of the day 1 and 2 votes please please

hold on I'll try to convert the linked imgs on the OP into actual vote-count text

[Kylemii]

if someone gets hammered with 24 hours left in the pot it better be me

[Kylemii]

wait are there images??? i can just look at those

[MartinGG99]

Polls:
Day 1
Day 2
Day 3
Day 4

[BoKnows]

But since we were both thinking about the night-kill and how that depends wrt our reads I think that's partially a mind-meld there.

A flip would give me peace of mind. Right now she is my biggest "what if?"

i've become drunk by mistake

Classic

beware hammer*

Only one vote on wagons right not.

or day 3?

There are hyperlinks on the first page

if someone gets hammered with 24 hours left in the pot it better be me

Buddy you're already hammered

[MartinGG99]

TS didn't even vote on D3 apparently
Is that a town-tell?

[Kylemii]

boknows was a counterwagon to falcon and was voted by both quin and falcon, bk voted for esooa

so if bk is mafia then that means bus attempt happened, but failed?

if bk is mafia then that means falcon was only voted by town bees

[Kylemii]

well actually the only way falcon wouldn't have been voted by anyone who wasn't town is if martin is mafia, mathwise

[Alison]

I think you just going after flips instead of solving the game is one of the things that makes you hard to townread for me. you act like you don't care about solving people since their alignments are revealed after deaths, which is an anti town mindset. you were the same with whoever it was they got yeeted first too

I mean there's nothing you can say or do short of trust telling or something similar that would make me reverse my opinion on the game state right now because I have strong structural reasons to townread everyone else and those always surpass tonal or behavioral reads. Like I put in effort to think about who could be fooling me if I'm wrong about you but you always have to go first as the game can't progress without your flip. This is why I said flips move the game forward. That's how mafia works.

[Alison]

And yes there are a lot of situations where people absolutely have to be solved by the host. Sometimes I've been the one in that position and told everyone to exe me and sheep my legacy, etc.

[Alison]

mafia's anyone other than alison then the endgame is set up especially well

yeet someone else today, leave alison and me also alive, game over.

yes if you're town you should never ever want to be taken to endgame because town auto loses in that scenario.

and if you should never be allowed to touch f3 under any circumstance regardless of align then why should I bother solving you since you're always going to be exed today

[Kylemii]

boknows own votes are lackluster but a wagon against him looks good or possibly, bad actually

okay it's 5:20 and i am still awake and that makes me sad so

i'm caught up.

i'm not voting for alison or seanzie until i've given them both proper reading.

nobody is even talking about falcon beyond meta reads and somehow he's the lead wagon. fuck that.

[VOTE: BK] aubergine because of things i have said early on.

Okay, this has to the post that is universally bad. This comment on Falcon is atrocious and smells even stinkier when falcon flipped red. @Quin can you explain your reasoning behind this at all? What were your thoughts going into EoD day 1?

i like this post

i'm beginning to think it's suboptimal not to misyeet early, there is just so little to go on

boknows look fine to me