Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

[Alison]

Town: JJJ, MacDougall, Oddmerta, Sloonei, Strawhenge, falcon45ca, Esooa, Michelle

Light town: fingersplints, BoKnows, Nanook, tutuu, staypositivefriend

Null: Dom, Long Con

POE: Marmot, AL_sama, JPIC, KZA, TonyStarkPrime, tedxtr

Michelle shifted up for a really townie entrance. Nanook shifted down, still a townread, but the bar for being at the top tier is raised higher now and I have respect for his scum game. Marmot shifted down for reasons I've explained (I didn't like his interaction with KZA, and I thought he fit in the same position as he usually does as scum, gamestate-wise).

I have not had an easy time reading LC's posts strongly one way or another this game. He remains a null. tutuu is shifted up to light town for reasons discussed just above, and SPF is shifted up to light town for consistent good takes.

[Alison]

If I had to sort my POE it would be like this.

Upper POE: JPIC, Marmot, tedxtr

Lower POE: AL_sama, KZA, TSP

Mac's argument that JPIC self resolves is logical and is a reason not to exe JPIC as early since he might townclear himself later on if he's town. Marmot and ted's posting have been pretty meh but I don't have a slam dunk reason to vote them.

Everyone in the lower POE has given me a strong reason to think that they are scum.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nobody should have respect for my scum game its more often than not poor

[MacDougall]

If I had to sort my POE it would be like this.

Upper POE: JPIC, Marmot, tedxtr

Lower POE: AL_sama, KZA, TSP

Mac's argument that JPIC self resolves is logical and is a reason not to exe JPIC as early since he might townclear himself later on if he's town. Marmot and ted's posting have been pretty meh but I don't have a slam dunk reason to vote them.

Everyone in the lower POE has given me a strong reason to think that they are scum.

My what sorry

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Nobody should have respect for my scum game its more often than not poor

Would it be insulting to say that’s why you’re not a strong town read?

[MacDougall]

Wait you wanna bury TSP too? That's tight.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nobody should have respect for my scum game its more often than not poor

Would it be insulting to say that’s why you’re not a strong town read?

It would be more confusing than anything

[MacDougall]

Calling my takes garbage is too much and uncalled for

Its just a game that u take way too seriously and u become abrasive as a result

What do you mean way too much? It isn't a personal attack, so it clearly doesn't step over conduct lines. I think your reads are bad, I make that opinion clear, and you respond by AtEing at me. If you wanna call that abrasive or think that I take mafia too seriously because I try my best to play well then go ahead, but there's a reason that people tend to follow my reads more than yours and it's because I make my reasoning for those reads transparent and logical. If you refuse to explain your most against-consensus reads then nobody will agree with you on them, and complaining about how you're being discriminated against just because you don't agree with the rest of the thread doesn't help town get there on mafia. So you're anti-town.

Im assuming it was here that everyone realised Alison and Tutuu were town

[Alison]

If I had to sort my POE it would be like this.

Upper POE: JPIC, Marmot, tedxtr

Lower POE: AL_sama, KZA, TSP

Mac's argument that JPIC self resolves is logical and is a reason not to exe JPIC as early since he might townclear himself later on if he's town. Marmot and ted's posting have been pretty meh but I don't have a slam dunk reason to vote them.

Everyone in the lower POE has given me a strong reason to think that they are scum.

My what sorry

Weren't you arguing that JPIC is super polarized and will be outed as the game goes on anyway? Or am I misremembering?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Nobody should have respect for my scum game its more often than not poor

Would it be insulting to say that’s why you’re not a strong town read?

It would be more confusing than anything

If you’re mafia I think your play would meet the criteria you provided there.

[Alison]

Calling my takes garbage is too much and uncalled for

Its just a game that u take way too seriously and u become abrasive as a result

What do you mean way too much? It isn't a personal attack, so it clearly doesn't step over conduct lines. I think your reads are bad, I make that opinion clear, and you respond by AtEing at me. If you wanna call that abrasive or think that I take mafia too seriously because I try my best to play well then go ahead, but there's a reason that people tend to follow my reads more than yours and it's because I make my reasoning for those reads transparent and logical. If you refuse to explain your most against-consensus reads then nobody will agree with you on them, and complaining about how you're being discriminated against just because you don't agree with the rest of the thread doesn't help town get there on mafia. So you're anti-town.

Im assuming it was here that everyone realised Alison and Tutuu were town

Yeah I townread her for it. Not really because of the frustration/emotion but just because of the mindset behind her refusing to get in line with people telling her to be more readable.

[Alison]

Wait you wanna bury TSP too? That's tight.

In Fallout I said that he seemed scummy because he was machine gunning out hot takes to try to match his town meta. I didn't put much genuine effort into figuring out how correct that analysis was because I was Metzger, but he did end up flipping scum. I think he is playing up his "says confusing things" persona a little too much here, in a very similar way.

Also his vote on Michelle was a total wolf move. I am happy to vote him out.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nobody should have respect for my scum game its more often than not poor

Would it be insulting to say that’s why you’re not a strong town read?

It would be more confusing than anything

If you’re mafia I think your play would meet the criteria you provided there.

That its poor...? I don't think I'd be playing poorly if I were mafia in this position so I'm not sure I really follow your point beyond "heh I'm gonna take a jab at nanook lol"

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: AL_sama] aubergine

Nobody trusts this slot, and getting a wagon up has been pulling teeth.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That its poor...? I don't think I'd be playing poorly if I were mafia in this position so I'm not sure I really follow your point beyond "heh I'm gonna take a jab at nanook lol"

Not poor in general, but poor if you’re mafia. You don’t have to agree. Not a terribly important point anyway.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

That its poor...? I don't think I'd be playing poorly if I were mafia in this position so I'm not sure I really follow your point beyond "heh I'm gonna take a jab at nanook lol"

Not poor in general, but poor if you’re mafia. You don’t have to agree. Not a terribly important point anyway.

I mean

Hard to say but I think if I were mafia I'd be pretty happy with my position tbh

[MacDougall]

If I had to sort my POE it would be like this.

Upper POE: JPIC, Marmot, tedxtr

Lower POE: AL_sama, KZA, TSP

Mac's argument that JPIC self resolves is logical and is a reason not to exe JPIC as early since he might townclear himself later on if he's town. Marmot and ted's posting have been pretty meh but I don't have a slam dunk reason to vote them.

Everyone in the lower POE has given me a strong reason to think that they are scum.

My what sorry

Weren't you arguing that JPIC is super polarized and will be outed as the game goes on anyway? Or am I misremembering?

I was saying he was polarised and is likely just mafia. I didn't say the other parts.

[MacDougall]

That its poor...? I don't think I'd be playing poorly if I were mafia in this position so I'm not sure I really follow your point beyond "heh I'm gonna take a jab at nanook lol"

Not poor in general, but poor if you’re mafia. You don’t have to agree. Not a terribly important point anyway.

I mean

Hard to say but I think if I were mafia I'd be pretty happy with my position tbh

Can't speak for him but I'm not scumreading you because you're trying a fair bit.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Al Sama] aubergine

There are too many slots that already need death.

[Alison]

[VOTE: Al Sama] aubergine

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

Look, there is only one way this can go
Poll runs till Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:00 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


AL_sama
4
19%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, MacDougall, tutuu, Alison
Alison
1
5%
Voters: falcon45ca
BoKnows
1
5%
Voters: Justplayingitcool
Dom
0
No votes
Voters: None
Esooa
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
fingersplints
0
No votes
Voters: None
JaggedJimmyJay
0
No votes
Voters: None
Justplayingitcool
1
5%
Voters: Oddmerta
KZA
1
5%
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
MacDougall
0
No votes
Voters: None
Marmot
1
5%
Voters: staypositivefriend
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
1
5%
Voters: KZA
Oddmerta
3
14%
Voters: BoKnows, tedxtr, Long Con
Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None
staypositivefriend
0
No votes
Voters: None
Strawhenge
0
No votes
Voters: None
tedxtr
1
5%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime
TonyStarkPrime
2
10%
Voters: fingersplints, Esooa
tutuu
2
10%
Voters: Sloonei, Marmot
Unvote
0
No votes
Voters: None
No Elimination
0
No votes
Voters: None
Is one of them the "hard way"? (Host/Dead/Non)
3
14%
Voters: nutella, Epignosis, novaselinenever
Total votes: 21

I don't have time to play at work

I looked earlier at the thread and i saw a post mentioning a tie between Marmot and Odd, now Marmot's wagon dissipated and Al is top wagon

I decided to keep this VC and I will do it again, i forgot we need some VCs.

I will cast a vote on Marmot, probably that wagon have to exist. No, i didn't read and I will appreciate if someone tells me a towny activity from Marmot explaining the votes movement.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[Michelle]

[VOTE: AL_sama] aubergine

Nobody trusts this slot, and getting a wagon up has been pulling teeth.

I trust Al

[Michelle]

[VOTE: AL_sama] aubergine

Nobody trusts this slot, and getting a wagon up has been pulling teeth.

I trust Al

And the wagon grew too fast

[fingersplints]

For much the same reasons I don't believe in things like TWTBW.

TWTBW?

Thanks

[fingersplints]

Also a “Joseph” has been mentioned several times. Who is that?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

For much the same reasons I don't believe in things like TWTBW.

TWTBW?

Thanks

Too Wolfy To Be A Wolf

Basically means someone is being too obvious to actually be mafia, cause if they were mafia they wouldn't be as obvious

Its generally a dumb concept


Mac is Joseph

[Alison]

[VOTE: AL_sama] aubergine

Nobody trusts this slot, and getting a wagon up has been pulling teeth.

I trust Al

And the wagon grew too fast

That argument is used to indicate that someone on the mafia team is wagoning Al to save their teammate (here proposed to be Marmot). Who on the Al wagon is mafia?

[Michelle]

[VOTE: AL_sama] aubergine

Nobody trusts this slot, and getting a wagon up has been pulling teeth.

I trust Al

And the wagon grew too fast

That argument is used to indicate that someone on the mafia team is wagoning Al to save their teammate (here proposed to be Marmot). Who on the Al wagon is mafia?

Not necessarily, i saw townies sheeping each other to form a wagon, this is wifom, but if there are one wolf i don't have to guess without reading the thread.
I said I don't scum read Al and i think a wagon on him looks convenient. Al may be mafia and my read wrong, but when players like Jay and you can't find a better wagon than an LHF I feel that somethings not right.

[BoKnows]

My only experience of marmot is that he is silly when mafia and pretty serious when town. My sample size is only three games so I acknowledge i need more data.

This is true based on the one game I saw him as Mafia

Which game was that?

Shadow Corridors

he was known as Thundercat, some sort of villainous alter ego of his I'm sure

Side note, since you bring this up. I wonder if @BoKnows ever realized he and I were teammates in that game.

Thundercat is a slappin bassist.

First time hearing about this

[BoKnows]

Can you expand your thoughts on Odd, and Straw please?

My read on Oddmerta is a bit of a product of my other reads. A lot of my town reads have to be wrong about Oddmerta for him to be mafia, and I don't think he's that suspicious myself anyway. If one of my town reads that has vouched for Oddmerta ends up mafia, perhaps that'll be something to revisit later. For now I'm fine with him.

Strawhenge is probably the easiest read on the board for me. His posts radiate the purity of a player returning after five years away from Mafia with a town role card, uncertainty about how to get into business, and an admirable motor to do it anyway.

I'm a huge fan of the Odd reasoning tbh. It reminds me of synthetic CDOs. You're betting (reading) on other peoples reads and hoping it all falls in place. Is there anything in Odds content that makes you believe he's town?

I do agree with this. I also think if Straw randed wolf in his first game back in five years he would be playing a little more conservative and not sticking out his neck like he did earlier today.

What's a CDO?

Collateral debt obligation. It's a finance term but when you're buying synthetic CDOs you're basically betting on other people's bets/investments.

[BoKnows]

@falcon45ca can I get your thoughts on the karst topography in Yunnan province of China?

In the future don't post weird shit like this unless you want people to think you're signalling or softing something.

Sowwy

[BoKnows]

I'm not a 100% sold on Al but I'll go over his ISO this morning, I do like the people on the wagon... @JaggedJimmyJay maybe I can trust you to my teammate on this one

[BoKnows]

Skimmed through Al's ISO and was not impressed. Towards the end he made a giant read list and falcon said something like "it looks like you don't want to lynch anybody", and Al responded by saying he's not confident in his read list. If you're not confident enough in your reads why even bother making a readlist??? It seems like he made a readlist to just make a readlist.

[tutuu]

Skimmed through Al's ISO and was not impressed. Towards the end he made a giant read list and falcon said something like "it looks like you don't want to lynch anybody", and Al responded by saying he's not confident in his read list. If you're not confident enough in your reads why even bother making a readlist??? It seems like he made a readlist to just make a readlist.

i think this is w/w

[tutuu]

im back to scumreading jpic too

[MacDougall]

Yeah I can see that.

[BoKnows]

Skimmed through Al's ISO and was not impressed. Towards the end he made a giant read list and falcon said something like "it looks like you don't want to lynch anybody", and Al responded by saying he's not confident in his read list. If you're not confident enough in your reads why even bother making a readlist??? It seems like he made a readlist to just make a readlist.

i think this is w/w

With who? Al and I?

[MacDougall]

The changing tides. The wolf teammate wants to swim with them. Could be.

[tutuu]

i wanna call michelle town unless al is town

[MacDougall]

i wanna call michelle town unless al is town

Why

[MacDougall]

Michelle is town either way imo

[tutuu]

i wanna call michelle town unless al is town

Why

If al is mafia i dont see michelle weakly defending a teammate like that and accomplishing nothing

If al is town michelle could be maf who thought it would be good to townread him

[BoKnows]

i wanna call michelle town unless al is town

Why

If al is mafia i dont see michelle weakly defending a teammate like that and accomplishing nothing

If al is town michelle could be maf who thought it would be good to townread him

That doesn't fit your Michelle is town narrative though

[BoKnows]

Michelle is town either way imo

Why?

[tutuu]

i wanna call michelle town unless al is town

Why

If al is mafia i dont see michelle weakly defending a teammate like that and accomplishing nothing

If al is town michelle could be maf who thought it would be good to townread him

That doesn't fit your Michelle is town narrative though

how not?

[MacDougall]

Michelle is town either way imo

Why?

She's quite easy to read. She posts with a joyful spirit and reckless acquiescence as town.

[Alison]

i wanna call michelle town unless al is town

Why

If al is mafia i dont see michelle weakly defending a teammate like that and accomplishing nothing

If al is town michelle could be maf who thought it would be good to townread him

Yeah but Michelle is townie on play.

[BoKnows]

i wanna call michelle town unless al is town

Why

If al is mafia i dont see michelle weakly defending a teammate like that and accomplishing nothing

If al is town michelle could be maf who thought it would be good to townread him

That doesn't fit your Michelle is town narrative though

how not?

Wait I read it wrong... brutal.

[tutuu]

@Justplayingitcool who mafia

[Alison]

The paranoia about fast wagons, the concerted attempt to solve/catchup despite starting late into the thread, really pure sounding posts like the black coffee one, a disinterest in easy misexes and a true desire to search for truth, all point to town.