Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

[Hally]

spf, why is marmot scum?

i struggle to believe that marmot believes the stuff that he has been saying. his reads lack a certain level of conviction that i would expect marmot to have if he was playing from a villager mindset.

marmot constantly floated tutuu as one of his number one suspects throughout the early-game (calling her an openwolf at one point), but when he was asked to go into more detail about his scumread on tutuu, he said this:

@Marmot could you elaborate on those nanook and tutuu reads?

Tutuu's been an active presence in the thread, but changing her reads on a whim.

i find it difficult to believe that marmot carried this underlying suspicion about tutuu throughout the entirety of the game, and was only able to provide one short sentence explaining his scumread on her when he was prompted to. it concerns me even more that marmot voted for tutuu shortly after making this post. it gives me the impression that marmot does not particularly care about the accuracy of his read on tutuu and is pushing on her moreso for aesthetics sake

there were several moments where i felt that marmot outed reads/thoughts that felt ingenuine. i did not like his opinion about me and tutuu on https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 34#p761634. i did not like the false bravado on https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 75#p762175.

i am not confident about marmot being a wolf, but i find him wolfy

@Marmot why is tutuu changing her reads on a whim wolfy?

[staypositivefriend]

by 2022 all of my posts will be 100% adverbs

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think ted backing down on his Marmot read is mildly townie. He would probably have stuck to it more insistently if he was scum.

I think his obstinate view of The Hierarchy in general looks authentic. I make that read very cautiously, in that he probably stays POE but with less conviction.

[Hally]

@Sloonei i have it on good authority that your tutuu read is wrong

[Hally]

is sloonei a villager? his iso gives me strange vibes

i believe that he probably is, yeah

@JaggedJimmyJay do you agree?

how strongly? and why?

[Justplayingitcool]

Does anyone want to hear the most cracked tinfoul theory in the world? It doesn't get more cracked than this unless your name is Justin

Go on then

[Justplayingitcool]

Based on all these points I don't think Syndicate D1s are lazy or clout based.

i've just quoted 3 of your reasons for wolves and 2 of them contain slanking

It isn't lazy to chop "slankers" when a wealth of rationale has been provided to support the choice by various different people.

It is lazy to decline to chop "slankers" merely because they are "slankers".

Kinda disagree. I think it isn't lazy to decline the chopping of slankers because they are slankers as that would imply they had a read on somebody else. I wouldn't really call that lazy

[JaggedJimmyJay]

is sloonei a villager? his iso gives me strange vibes

i believe that he probably is, yeah

@JaggedJimmyJay do you agree?

how strongly? and why?

I view Sloonei as a civilian. I am less sure of him than I am of falcon or Strawhenge, but I still think he is fine. I've had no gripes with the directions he has taken his hunt. We seem to be viewing the game in general through similar eyes. Despite being Work Boy he is still sustaining a high clip of activity, currently over 200 posts. I wouldn't call him a perfect expression of his town self, but right now I hardly care. There's no way in hell I am voting for Sloonei today. He's close enough.

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei i have it on good authority that your tutuu read is wrong

What was tutuu's read on me?

[BoKnows]

Does anyone want to hear the most cracked tinfoul theory in the world? It doesn't get more cracked than this unless your name is Justin

Go on then

hehehe

it's an easy one. super wolf team of jjj, mac, sloonei, alison, and ??? running the game. I know that this idea is too crazy to even consider entertaining

[BoKnows]

@Sloonei i have it on good authority that your tutuu read is wrong

What was tutuu's read on me?

What's your read on me?

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei i have it on good authority that your tutuu read is wrong

What was tutuu's read on me?

What's your read on me?

Town

[KZA]

Wtf I lost a shield

[KZA]

@tedxtr you said you were okay with a vote on me sometime last night because you "had some thoughts"

What are these thoughts, or did you post them somewhere already

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Does anyone want to hear the most cracked tinfoul theory in the world? It doesn't get more cracked than this unless your name is Justin

Go on then

hehehe

it's an easy one. super wolf team of jjj, mac, sloonei, alison, and ??? running the game. I know that this idea is too crazy to even consider entertaining

I suspect this game would look pretty similar with that mafia team, but with around 40% fewer posts. Suppressing enthusiasm is half the battle.

[Hally]

is sloonei a villager? his iso gives me strange vibes

Interesting

to be clear, i wasn’t saying i found your iso wolfy. i was just a bit taken aback by your tone seeming kind of deadpan/detached and most of your posts that i saw being one-liners that didn’t do much for me (though this was early on and i don’t know if you changed later)

but i talked myself out of this being wolfy for you because i decided that you might actually try to look better early on as a wolf and your vibe was possibly more likely an indication that you didn’t care how you were perceived early on. so i called it “strange” instead. your post about tutuu seems fine though

[BoKnows]

Does anyone want to hear the most cracked tinfoul theory in the world? It doesn't get more cracked than this unless your name is Justin

Go on then

hehehe

it's an easy one. super wolf team of jjj, mac, sloonei, alison, and ??? running the game. I know that this idea is too crazy to even consider entertaining

I suspect this game would look pretty similar with that mafia team, but with around 40% fewer posts. Suppressing enthusiasm is half the battle.

I think I would quit mafia forever if this is the team.

[Strawhenge]

Tbh I never quite figured out how to read tutuu. Sometimes she said scummy things, sometimes she said town things. Combining this with how towny Hally looks right now is leaving me feeling pretty assured.

[Hally]

@TonyStarkPrime

Who are you talking about here?

“Why doesn’t tsp want to chop someone half a dozen people are telling him is confirmed town I wonder”

Are you talking about Michelle? Did you mean, 'Why does tsp want to chop someone half a dozen people are telling him is confirmed town'?

You also phrase this question like it's a no-brainer. I'm braining it; what does it mean?

Then this:

I thought Michelle was a wolf because when Michelle’s town I expect higher post counts and one or two off the wall weird interactions early. It’s not like I just threw a dart at a dartboard

I don't think you threw a dart at a dartboard at all. I think you either think, 'her meta's off' is enough of a reason to think she's scum, or you wanted to make a provocative read/vote.

this is a villagery post. i’m inclined to agree with the apparent consensus that strawhenge is a villager

[Hally]

is sloonei a villager? his iso gives me strange vibes

i believe that he probably is, yeah

@JaggedJimmyJay do you agree?

how strongly? and why?

I view Sloonei as a civilian. I am less sure of him than I am of falcon or Strawhenge, but I still think he is fine. I've had no gripes with the directions he has taken his hunt. We seem to be viewing the game in general through similar eyes. Despite being Work Boy he is still sustaining a high clip of activity, currently over 200 posts. I wouldn't call him a perfect expression of his town self, but right now I hardly care. There's no way in hell I am voting for Sloonei today. He's close enough.

alright

[Hally]

@Sloonei i have it on good authority that your tutuu read is wrong

What was tutuu's read on me?

you’d have to ask her

[Hally]

Tbh I never quite figured out how to read tutuu. Sometimes she said scummy things, sometimes she said town things. Combining this with how towny Hally looks right now is leaving me feeling pretty assured.

i’m surprised you think i look that villagery. i don’t think i’ve been very obvious so far. why do you think i have?

[TonyStarkPrime]

@TonyStarkPrime

Who are you talking about here?

“Why doesn’t tsp want to chop someone half a dozen people are telling him is confirmed town I wonder”

Are you talking about Michelle? Did you mean, 'Why does tsp want to chop someone half a dozen people are telling him is confirmed town'?

You also phrase this question like it's a no-brainer. I'm braining it; what does it mean?

Then this:

I thought Michelle was a wolf because when Michelle’s town I expect higher post counts and one or two off the wall weird interactions early. It’s not like I just threw a dart at a dartboard

I don't think you threw a dart at a dartboard at all. I think you either think, 'her meta's off' is enough of a reason to think she's scum, or you wanted to make a provocative read/vote.

I'm talking about michelle; I mean it the way it's written. You said that my vote swap showed that I lacked confidence or something, I'm pushing back against that claim.

To the second thing: the former of those. I didn't think it was provocative tbh I just didn't know.

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei i have it on good authority that your tutuu read is wrong

What was tutuu's read on me?

you’d have to ask her

You’re the closest I can get to that.

But it was a rhetorical question. The answer is “basically the same as yours.” Which is curious, because no one else in the game has been reading me that way.

[Strawhenge]

Tbh I never quite figured out how to read tutuu. Sometimes she said scummy things, sometimes she said town things. Combining this with how towny Hally looks right now is leaving me feeling pretty assured.

i’m surprised you think i look that villagery. i don’t think i’ve been very obvious so far. why do you think i have?

It's mostly how you jumped right into asking questions and making reads almost immediately. I feel like someone replacing an anti-town role would more likely hang back and gauge the situation before diving right in. Specifically with the kind of thing you did in responding to me: Asking players their reasoning to their reads.

[Hally]

if jay, sloonei, mac, alison, spf and esooa are all villagers the wolves have already lost this game

so unless or until the people in the above group 1) start to suspect one of the others is a deep wolf or 2) lead us in a direction that shows itself to be wrong i’m inclined to go wherever the above group tells me to go and see what happens

if the names i’ve listed above are not villagers it will become very apparent when we don’t stomp this game

[Hally]

@Sloonei i have it on good authority that your tutuu read is wrong

What was tutuu's read on me?

you’d have to ask her

You’re the closest I can get to that.

But it was a rhetorical question. The answer is “basically the same as yours.” Which is curious, because no one else in the game has been reading me that way.

what is my read on you?

[TonyStarkPrime]

if jay, sloonei, mac, alison, spf and esooa are all villagers the wolves have already lost this game

so unless or until the people in the above group 1) start to suspect one of the others is a deep wolf or 2) lead us in a direction that shows itself to be wrong i’m inclined to go wherever the above group tells me to go and see what happens

if the names i’ve listed above are not villagers it will become very apparent when we don’t stomp this game

tutuu would be ashamed

[Hally]

Tbh I never quite figured out how to read tutuu. Sometimes she said scummy things, sometimes she said town things. Combining this with how towny Hally looks right now is leaving me feeling pretty assured.

i’m surprised you think i look that villagery. i don’t think i’ve been very obvious so far. why do you think i have?

It's mostly how you jumped right into asking questions and making reads almost immediately. I feel like someone replacing an anti-town role would more likely hang back and gauge the situation before diving right in. Specifically with the kind of thing you did in responding to me: Asking players their reasoning to their reads.

fwiw nothing i’ve done so far is remotely out of my wolf range. but okay, this is reasonable enough for someone who doesn’t know me

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei i have it on good authority that your tutuu read is wrong

What was tutuu's read on me?

you’d have to ask her

You’re the closest I can get to that.

But it was a rhetorical question. The answer is “basically the same as yours.” Which is curious, because no one else in the game has been reading me that way.

what is my read on you?

“ to be clear, i wasn’t saying i found your iso wolfy. i was just a bit taken aback by your tone seeming kind of deadpan/detached and most of your posts that i saw being one-liners that didn’t do much for me (though this was early on and i don’t know if you changed later)

but i talked myself out of this being wolfy for you because i decided that you might actually try to look better early on as a wolf and your vibe was possibly more likely an indication that you didn’t care how you were perceived early on. so i called it “strange” instead. your post about tutuu seems fine though”

[Hally]

@Sloonei i have it on good authority that your tutuu read is wrong

What was tutuu's read on me?

you’d have to ask her

You’re the closest I can get to that.

But it was a rhetorical question. The answer is “basically the same as yours.” Which is curious, because no one else in the game has been reading me that way.

what is my read on you?

“ to be clear, i wasn’t saying i found your iso wolfy. i was just a bit taken aback by your tone seeming kind of deadpan/detached and most of your posts that i saw being one-liners that didn’t do much for me (though this was early on and i don’t know if you changed later)

but i talked myself out of this being wolfy for you because i decided that you might actually try to look better early on as a wolf and your vibe was possibly more likely an indication that you didn’t care how you were perceived early on. so i called it “strange” instead. your post about tutuu seems fine though”

that’s specifically a lack of a read on you

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei i have it on good authority that your tutuu read is wrong

What was tutuu's read on me?

you’d have to ask her

You’re the closest I can get to that.

But it was a rhetorical question. The answer is “basically the same as yours.” Which is curious, because no one else in the game has been reading me that way.

what is my read on you?

“ to be clear, i wasn’t saying i found your iso wolfy. i was just a bit taken aback by your tone seeming kind of deadpan/detached and most of your posts that i saw being one-liners that didn’t do much for me (though this was early on and i don’t know if you changed later)

but i talked myself out of this being wolfy for you because i decided that you might actually try to look better early on as a wolf and your vibe was possibly more likely an indication that you didn’t care how you were perceived early on. so i called it “strange” instead. your post about tutuu seems fine though”

that’s specifically a lack of a read on you

Precisely.

[KZA]

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

I wonder what happens if I move here

[Hally]

What was tutuu's read on me?

you’d have to ask her

You’re the closest I can get to that.

But it was a rhetorical question. The answer is “basically the same as yours.” Which is curious, because no one else in the game has been reading me that way.

what is my read on you?

“ to be clear, i wasn’t saying i found your iso wolfy. i was just a bit taken aback by your tone seeming kind of deadpan/detached and most of your posts that i saw being one-liners that didn’t do much for me (though this was early on and i don’t know if you changed later)

but i talked myself out of this being wolfy for you because i decided that you might actually try to look better early on as a wolf and your vibe was possibly more likely an indication that you didn’t care how you were perceived early on. so i called it “strange” instead. your post about tutuu seems fine though”

that’s specifically a lack of a read on you

Precisely.

do you find it curious i didn’t have a concrete read on you after subbing into a 3000 post thread and skimming the first couple of pages of your iso?

[Hally]

here’s a bad read that’s potentially still correct:

sloonei is a villager for being so preoccupied that one slot in the game doesn’t see him as the obvious villager he thinks he is

[TonyStarkPrime]

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

I wonder what happens if I move here

I get sloonei to yell at you

@Sloonei

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm joyce picking fights in bars and sloonei is my hemingway

[KZA]

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

I wonder what happens if I move here

I get sloonei to yell at you

@Sloonei

shhhh im doin some tekkerz

[Hally]

marmot is being voted by spf, jay, sloonei and michelle

if that wagon doesn’t lunch a wolf something is very wrong in the universe

[Hally]

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

@MacDougall do you agree with this?

[Sloonei]

you’d have to ask her

You’re the closest I can get to that.

But it was a rhetorical question. The answer is “basically the same as yours.” Which is curious, because no one else in the game has been reading me that way.

what is my read on you?

“ to be clear, i wasn’t saying i found your iso wolfy. i was just a bit taken aback by your tone seeming kind of deadpan/detached and most of your posts that i saw being one-liners that didn’t do much for me (though this was early on and i don’t know if you changed later)

but i talked myself out of this being wolfy for you because i decided that you might actually try to look better early on as a wolf and your vibe was possibly more likely an indication that you didn’t care how you were perceived early on. so i called it “strange” instead. your post about tutuu seems fine though”

that’s specifically a lack of a read on you

Precisely.

do you find it curious i didn’t have a concrete read on you after subbing into a 3000 post thread and skimming the first couple of pages of your iso?

I think it is curious that you specifically stated a position on me that mirrors your predecessors in a way that I had already become wary of but had not yet articulated.

[Hally]

You’re the closest I can get to that.

But it was a rhetorical question. The answer is “basically the same as yours.” Which is curious, because no one else in the game has been reading me that way.

what is my read on you?

“ to be clear, i wasn’t saying i found your iso wolfy. i was just a bit taken aback by your tone seeming kind of deadpan/detached and most of your posts that i saw being one-liners that didn’t do much for me (though this was early on and i don’t know if you changed later)

but i talked myself out of this being wolfy for you because i decided that you might actually try to look better early on as a wolf and your vibe was possibly more likely an indication that you didn’t care how you were perceived early on. so i called it “strange” instead. your post about tutuu seems fine though”

that’s specifically a lack of a read on you

Precisely.

do you find it curious i didn’t have a concrete read on you after subbing into a 3000 post thread and skimming the first couple of pages of your iso?

I think it is curious that you specifically stated a position on me that mirrors your predecessors in a way that I had already become wary of but had not yet articulated.

i’m clearly a tutuu alt

(but really, tutuu and i tend to view games very similarly when we’re both villagers. if anything that should be a sign i’m a villager. if tutuu and i were wolves bs’ing a read on you i probably wouldn’t have unknowingly agreed with your read because both our reads would be fake)

[Hally]

what is my read on you?

“ to be clear, i wasn’t saying i found your iso wolfy. i was just a bit taken aback by your tone seeming kind of deadpan/detached and most of your posts that i saw being one-liners that didn’t do much for me (though this was early on and i don’t know if you changed later)

but i talked myself out of this being wolfy for you because i decided that you might actually try to look better early on as a wolf and your vibe was possibly more likely an indication that you didn’t care how you were perceived early on. so i called it “strange” instead. your post about tutuu seems fine though”

that’s specifically a lack of a read on you

Precisely.

do you find it curious i didn’t have a concrete read on you after subbing into a 3000 post thread and skimming the first couple of pages of your iso?

I think it is curious that you specifically stated a position on me that mirrors your predecessors in a way that I had already become wary of but had not yet articulated.

i’m clearly a tutuu alt

(but really, tutuu and i tend to view games very similarly when we’re both villagers. if anything that should be a sign i’m a villager. if tutuu and i were wolves bs’ing a read on you i probably wouldn’t have unknowingly agreed with your read because both our reads would be fake)

*with HER read, not yours

[falcon45ca]

normally I would make Radish do this but he's not playing so you can take whatever read Falcon provides on me as 100% correct

BoKnows and I only played 1 game together on Canucks so you can take his read of me however you want

@falcon45ca is kza a villager?

Good question.

I'm not sold on him being town, but I'm giving him a town lean over scum. His reaction to being sussed hard this RD makes me want to give him space to scum hunt. If he's town, we should be able to determine it via his game solveyness...that's a word right?

If he's scum, then we should be able to solve him the same way, and I will never ever let him get away with his reaction this game to being sussed ever again.

[Hally]

what’s more likely?

1) my slot is a wolf slot. i am faking all my reads and happened to fake the same sort of read that tutuu also decided to fake

2) my slot is a village slot. i, like tutuu, am genuinely making reads. i unknowingly voiced the same sort of read she had because we normally agree when we’re villagers and both of us are viewing the game in good faith

i submit that it’s clearly option 2 and therefore i’m lock clear

[TonyStarkPrime]

Gonna say something that sounds like TSP being confusing but I hope this is understandable: If LC said the things that Ted is saying about the heirarchy, I would chop LC.

[staypositivefriend]

what’s more likely?

1) my slot is a wolf slot. i am faking all my reads and happened to fake the same sort of read that tutuu also decided to fake

2) my slot is a village slot. i, like tutuu, am genuinely making reads. i unknowingly voiced the same sort of read she had because we normally agree when we’re villagers and both of us are viewing the game in good faith

i submit that it’s clearly option 2 and therefore i’m lock clear

I don't find it particularly hard to imagine you replacing into this game as a wolf and deciding to echo the same suspicions that your predecessor had - if you ~are~ a wolf, then you almost certainly looked into your predecessor and their stances before you started posting reads

i'm not calling you a wolf. i just think this argument is a littleeee sketchy lol

[TonyStarkPrime]

Like if LC goes on a rant about the status quo in a game it feels like he's always a wolf in that game

[Justplayingitcool]

@Sloonei i have it on good authority that your tutuu read is wrong

What was tutuu's read on me?

What's your read on me?

Town

why?

[Hally]

what’s more likely?

1) my slot is a wolf slot. i am faking all my reads and happened to fake the same sort of read that tutuu also decided to fake

2) my slot is a village slot. i, like tutuu, am genuinely making reads. i unknowingly voiced the same sort of read she had because we normally agree when we’re villagers and both of us are viewing the game in good faith

i submit that it’s clearly option 2 and therefore i’m lock clear

I don't find it particularly hard to imagine you replacing into this game as a wolf and deciding to echo the same suspicions that your predecessor had - if you ~are~ a wolf, then you almost certainly looked into your predecessor and their stances before you started posting reads

i'm not calling you a wolf. i just think this argument is a littleeee sketchy lol

it’s a joke. i’m obviously not lock clear lol