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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
I don't know if I can believe that BoKnows opens a role PM with red lettering and proceeds to do something like this.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
I don't want to clear him for having a pulse but this is a little more than just having a pulse.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
And if I am eyeballing the numbers well, it looks like the highest raw count of town reads went to ted and Tony (3 each).
I'm not saying I am doing anything with this information. But it's a neat visualization.
I'm not saying I am doing anything with this information. But it's a neat visualization.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
I won't clear someone for pie charts, but it doesn't make Bo look worse by any means. It's a post.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
I agree with Alison lol
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
Going through Marmot's ISO gave me a few more reads/ideas.
- Ted & Long Con are my favourites as Marmot's teammates.
- The Nanook red peek was interesting. Don't know if it's distancing or Marmot just being a shit disturber. I wouldn't be shocked if Nook was on the other team though.
- If Al is scum he's not paired with Marmot.
- Ted & Long Con are my favourites as Marmot's teammates.
- The Nanook red peek was interesting. Don't know if it's distancing or Marmot just being a shit disturber. I wouldn't be shocked if Nook was on the other team though.
- If Al is scum he's not paired with Marmot.

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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
Reminder to KC Mafia that you need to shoot Gerhardt Mafia, or you're going to get well over half the hunting focus for the foreseeable future. Good luck.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
I feel like this is scum that doesnt want a somewhat choppable player like BK collecting town points
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
Pretty unsurprised since they were the last two players to show up. Might even be a tiny little good look for them, but I won't be that generous.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
Pretty unsurprised since they were the last two players to show up. Might even be a tiny little good look for them, but I won't be that generous.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 1]
Still feel these questions as pertinent by the way (mostly #1 and #2). I just kinda think the answer is no. Doesn't imply a specific mafia team, just one of them.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:39 pm 1) Do we believe that AL_sama is indeed caught up?
2) Do we believe that AL_sama has been catching up?
3) Do we believe that tedxtr is a believable vote?
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
Agreed
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
Any mafia out there feeling the severe heat of the hunt expecting to get chopped: it's still beneficial to your teammates for you to keep hunting actively for the opposing mafia team. You might as well leave that legacy. 

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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
i continue to feel that BoKnows is probably just a villager
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
acknowledging that i've seen this!JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:03 pm Some general sentiments I wish to promote in case I drop dead:
This game has been chugging along nicely in a pro-civilian direction, and that's a credit to the efforts of many people. However, I do feel as though this thread has often been one or two steps away from derailing, perhaps sometimes due to deliberate efforts by wrongdoers but not necessarily in every instance. It has been my charge to keep the ship afloat and to keep the atmosphere of this thread appropriate for level heads and productive hunting. If I am dead, the primary agent behind that effort will be gone.
With that in mind: @MacDougall, @Alison, @falcon45ca, and @Esooa -- for the civilians among you that outlive me, please consider how your own behavior can influence that climate. Some players may wish to incite madness, innocently or not, but each of you has a role to play in ensuring that cannot be successful. The most obvious means toward achieving that is to reign in the instincts you may feel to present yourself as authoritarian or as a military commander. This can foster resentment in others which then itself leads to inordinate paranoia and unwillingness to cooperate. This doesn't mean you must be democratic, but it does mean you must treat everyone in the game, in spirit, the way that you would treat them outside the game -- including your suspects. I do not intend this as a lecture, and I have no doubt y'all can be effective in this way. I am saying it anyway because I will not be able to say it when I am dead, and it would be frustrating to watch things devolve to a less promising state for no good reason when I am a corpse. I choose each of you because I think these notions apply more directly to you.
@Sloonei, @staypositivefriend, and @Hally -- for the civilians among you that outlive me, I see you as the next line of defense of sanity and rationality. By that I mean that you will carry yourselves with aplomb, but you will also remain vigilantly skeptical when it is reasonable to be vigilantly skeptical. Each of you plays your own way, and you do so very well. I do think though that if I am dead, there will still be a solving void left where I stood. I think each of you could easily fill that void straightaway, especially if you work together to do so. Sloonei, this is especially important for you, because if I am to die any time soon, I will have done so without leaving a clear, irrefutable strong town read on you. That will not put you in a position you would prefer. You'll have to cover that ground on your own with accelerated solving.
@Strawhenge and @fingersplints -- for the civilians among you that outlive me, you are in decent shape for the time being. Strawhenge especially enjoys a position of broad trust, and fingersplints is at least given decent space to work without constant suspicions. Be aware though that under the circumstances, there's a very good chance each of you will outlive most or all of the people most dedicated to promoting your innocence. And if/when that happens, you will be magnets for b/s. You'll need to be ready for that, and also ready to engage your engines with the most reasonably assertive hunt you can manage. Because you'd be in charge, in a worst- or bad-case scenario, with no shortage of enemies trying to capitalize on your rustiness.
For everyone else, keep the pedal to the metal and we'll be just fine. Half or maybe even most of you ought to be civilians in a multiple-mafia-teams world, and in the end the game may fall to you. That encourages me, because I know the civilians among you will play to win.
Thanks for listening to my irritating pseudo-legacy post. I make it because I think you're all super and respect what you offer.![]()
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
I feel like if a different player said that, you wouldn't be saying that.

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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
I'm quite sure they're not that worried.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:31 pm Reminder to KC Mafia that you need to shoot Gerhardt Mafia, or you're going to get well over half the hunting focus for the foreseeable future. Good luck.

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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:05 pm If I see a pie chart in this thread I swear to my mafia lord and savior


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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
What makes you say that?Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:56 pmI'm quite sure they're not that worried.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:31 pm Reminder to KC Mafia that you need to shoot Gerhardt Mafia, or you're going to get well over half the hunting focus for the foreseeable future. Good luck.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
Do you think there are wrong answers for KC Mafia other than Long Con being fielded prevalently right now?Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:56 pmI'm quite sure they're not that worried.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:31 pm Reminder to KC Mafia that you need to shoot Gerhardt Mafia, or you're going to get well over half the hunting focus for the foreseeable future. Good luck.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
Is this a claim then?Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:56 pmI'm quite sure they're not that worried.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:31 pm Reminder to KC Mafia that you need to shoot Gerhardt Mafia, or you're going to get well over half the hunting focus for the foreseeable future. Good luck.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
Yeah I mean I gave it?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:05 pm Interactions: Marmot and TonyStarkPrime
From Marmot
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A lot of this is rather bland, but I highlight one thing that stands out (actually the entire exchange ending with the orange bits). Tony rendered an accusation upon Marmot that's pretty nuanced and Tony-like, and Marmot's answer has a tone of acquiescence that doesn't strike me as the stuff of teammates. It reads like someone treading carefully in the face of suspicion from a source they may not have anticipated.
The very last post there could just tell the whole story on its own too for those willing to brave the wifom. I probably am willing.
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Well this is a hot mess.It's almost humorous how this progresses from "sure, whatever" to "okay cool" to "oh. well? uh" to "OH my." to "YIKES"
Tony could not have made himself look worse at EOD. Ironically it's kinda similar to Strawhenge in that one can argue "why defend Marmot when he's going over", and that's valid to a point. I do think Tony is strictly worse here than Straw was, and he is going to have to contend with that. Now it needs to be made clear that this isn't all of Tony's Marmot-related posts. Many of them are contained in the previous spoiler, and those generally work to Tony's credit.
So with the rest of this it's a classic case of "Is Tony a blatant-ass teammate, or did he engage in severe derping at a very unfortunate time?"
I want to answer with the latter. That he went after Strawhenge as a pro-Marmot motion makes that harder for me. It is just such a bad take in my view. Aaaaaauuuuugggggggghhhhhhhh
@MacDougall you seemed assured that they're not teammed, so it'd be swell to get your specific perspective. With a gun to my head I call Tony a Not Kansas City Mafia. I do not claim confdience.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
Jesus ok nerdJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:03 pm Some general sentiments I wish to promote in case I drop dead:
This game has been chugging along nicely in a pro-civilian direction, and that's a credit to the efforts of many people. However, I do feel as though this thread has often been one or two steps away from derailing, perhaps sometimes due to deliberate efforts by wrongdoers but not necessarily in every instance. It has been my charge to keep the ship afloat and to keep the atmosphere of this thread appropriate for level heads and productive hunting. If I am dead, the primary agent behind that effort will be gone.
With that in mind: @MacDougall, @Alison, @falcon45ca, and @Esooa -- for the civilians among you that outlive me, please consider how your own behavior can influence that climate. Some players may wish to incite madness, innocently or not, but each of you has a role to play in ensuring that cannot be successful. The most obvious means toward achieving that is to reign in the instincts you may feel to present yourself as authoritarian or as a military commander. This can foster resentment in others which then itself leads to inordinate paranoia and unwillingness to cooperate. This doesn't mean you must be democratic, but it does mean you must treat everyone in the game, in spirit, the way that you would treat them outside the game -- including your suspects. I do not intend this as a lecture, and I have no doubt y'all can be effective in this way. I am saying it anyway because I will not be able to say it when I am dead, and it would be frustrating to watch things devolve to a less promising state for no good reason when I am a corpse. I choose each of you because I think these notions apply more directly to you.
@Sloonei, @staypositivefriend, and @Hally -- for the civilians among you that outlive me, I see you as the next line of defense of sanity and rationality. By that I mean that you will carry yourselves with aplomb, but you will also remain vigilantly skeptical when it is reasonable to be vigilantly skeptical. Each of you plays your own way, and you do so very well. I do think though that if I am dead, there will still be a solving void left where I stood. I think each of you could easily fill that void straightaway, especially if you work together to do so. Sloonei, this is especially important for you, because if I am to die any time soon, I will have done so without leaving a clear, irrefutable strong town read on you. That will not put you in a position you would prefer. You'll have to cover that ground on your own with accelerated solving.
@Strawhenge and @fingersplints -- for the civilians among you that outlive me, you are in decent shape for the time being. Strawhenge especially enjoys a position of broad trust, and fingersplints is at least given decent space to work without constant suspicions. Be aware though that under the circumstances, there's a very good chance each of you will outlive most or all of the people most dedicated to promoting your innocence. And if/when that happens, you will be magnets for b/s. You'll need to be ready for that, and also ready to engage your engines with the most reasonably assertive hunt you can manage. Because you'd be in charge, in a worst- or bad-case scenario, with no shortage of enemies trying to capitalize on your rustiness.
For everyone else, keep the pedal to the metal and we'll be just fine. Half or maybe even most of you ought to be civilians in a multiple-mafia-teams world, and in the end the game may fall to you. That encourages me, because I know the civilians among you will play to win.
Thanks for listening to my irritating pseudo-legacy post. I make it because I think you're all super and respect what you offer.![]()
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
Because half the thread is already patting themselves on the back, thinking they struck gold with the usual tired old Long Con suspicion.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:57 pmWhat makes you say that?Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:56 pmI'm quite sure they're not that worried.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:31 pm Reminder to KC Mafia that you need to shoot Gerhardt Mafia, or you're going to get well over half the hunting focus for the foreseeable future. Good luck.

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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
if i die, then i am reasonably confident that jaggedjimmyjay, macdougall, alison, oddmerta, and strawhenge are all villagers. if there are wolves in this pool, i believe that there is only one.
i would include sloonei on that list most of the time too.
the pool of esooa/hally/falcon/BoKnows is a pool that i would describe as Mostly pure - it would not surprise me if there was a wolf or two in those names, but my general feelings about those players are positive. esooa is a name that i would like to re-evaluate to make sure that i didn't clear hear too easily - i have been fairly uncritical of her posts so far in this game
JPIC/michelle/fingersplints are all on the outskirts of my POE
tedextr/alsama/nanook/kza/dom/TSP/long con is a pool with multiple wolves. there are 2 wolves in that pool if we live in the world that i am imagining. there are more than 2 wolves in that pool if we live in easy world. i think that al_sama is one of them.
i'm gay. good luck!
i would include sloonei on that list most of the time too.
the pool of esooa/hally/falcon/BoKnows is a pool that i would describe as Mostly pure - it would not surprise me if there was a wolf or two in those names, but my general feelings about those players are positive. esooa is a name that i would like to re-evaluate to make sure that i didn't clear hear too easily - i have been fairly uncritical of her posts so far in this game
JPIC/michelle/fingersplints are all on the outskirts of my POE
tedextr/alsama/nanook/kza/dom/TSP/long con is a pool with multiple wolves. there are 2 wolves in that pool if we live in the world that i am imagining. there are more than 2 wolves in that pool if we live in easy world. i think that al_sama is one of them.
i'm gay. good luck!
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
How would you like to represent The Syndicate at this year's Mafia Championships?BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:13 pmAn Analysis of Marmot's MentionsEarlier today I finished my analytics course so I thought it would be nice to do something analytically to celebrate. This is a basic breakdown of Marmot's posts and how he mentioned every single one of us. I went through Marmot's ISO and counted the number of times he quoted someone, and mentioned someone in one of his posts. I then categorized every single one of Martin's mentions into three categories; Null, Town, and Scum.
I categorized something a "Town" post/mention when Marmot labelled you as a town-read/lean, defended you, or gave you props for one of your posts.
I categorized something a "Scum" post/mention when Marmot scum read you, disliked what you were saying, or voted for you.
Null is everything else
It is important to keep in mind that the data doesn't fully account for sarcasm and tone. If Marmot said "I think BoKnows is scum for posting twice in a row", I would count that as a scum post. These numbers also do not show the progression of Marmots reads. These are just raw numbers that will visualize Marmot's interactions. In my opinion, these graphs will be best paired with all the analyses Jay already did.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
Prove them wrong.Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:05 pmBecause half the thread is already patting themselves on the back, thinking they struck gold with the usual tired old Long Con suspicion.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:57 pmWhat makes you say that?Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:56 pmI'm quite sure they're not that worried.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:31 pm Reminder to KC Mafia that you need to shoot Gerhardt Mafia, or you're going to get well over half the hunting focus for the foreseeable future. Good luck.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
CDC or bustMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:07 pmHow would you like to represent The Syndicate at this year's Mafia Championships?BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:13 pmAn Analysis of Marmot's MentionsEarlier today I finished my analytics course so I thought it would be nice to do something analytically to celebrate. This is a basic breakdown of Marmot's posts and how he mentioned every single one of us. I went through Marmot's ISO and counted the number of times he quoted someone, and mentioned someone in one of his posts. I then categorized every single one of Martin's mentions into three categories; Null, Town, and Scum.
I categorized something a "Town" post/mention when Marmot labelled you as a town-read/lean, defended you, or gave you props for one of your posts.
I categorized something a "Scum" post/mention when Marmot scum read you, disliked what you were saying, or voted for you.
Null is everything else
It is important to keep in mind that the data doesn't fully account for sarcasm and tone. If Marmot said "I think BoKnows is scum for posting twice in a row", I would count that as a scum post. These numbers also do not show the progression of Marmots reads. These are just raw numbers that will visualize Marmot's interactions. In my opinion, these graphs will be best paired with all the analyses Jay already did.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
Hey we were right about the tired old Marmot suspicion so...Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:05 pmBecause half the thread is already patting themselves on the back, thinking they struck gold with the usual tired old Long Con suspicion.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:57 pmWhat makes you say that?Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:56 pmI'm quite sure they're not that worried.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:31 pm Reminder to KC Mafia that you need to shoot Gerhardt Mafia, or you're going to get well over half the hunting focus for the foreseeable future. Good luck.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
You or Flacon for certainBoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:09 pmCDC or bustMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:07 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
Because half the thread is already patting themselves on the back, thinking they struck gold with the usual tired old Long Con suspicion.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:57 pmWhat makes you say that?Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:56 pmI'm quite sure they're not that worried.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:31 pm Reminder to KC Mafia that you need to shoot Gerhardt Mafia, or you're going to get well over half the hunting focus for the foreseeable future. Good luck.

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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
Sorry about that strange double post, my phone made me believe that it didn't post the first time

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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
You're starting to sound like a broken record.Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:12 pmBecause half the thread is already patting themselves on the back, thinking they struck gold with the usual tired old Long Con suspicion.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:57 pmWhat makes you say that?Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:56 pmI'm quite sure they're not that worried.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:31 pm Reminder to KC Mafia that you need to shoot Gerhardt Mafia, or you're going to get well over half the hunting focus for the foreseeable future. Good luck.

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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
I'm hoping to.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:08 pmProve them wrong.Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:05 pmBecause half the thread is already patting themselves on the back, thinking they struck gold with the usual tired old Long Con suspicion.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:57 pmWhat makes you say that?Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:56 pmI'm quite sure they're not that worried.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:31 pm Reminder to KC Mafia that you need to shoot Gerhardt Mafia, or you're going to get well over half the hunting focus for the foreseeable future. Good luck.

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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
it's the charts that are wrongJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:15 pm Well that's fun! Thanks Bo. I laughed when ted stood out again.
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
I took my phone out to have a look at the thread and I was met with that post, unposted. So I just hit submit.

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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
Nice. You get yourself some Qveen Herby dedications, cuz you...on a MISSIONBoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:13 pmAn Analysis of Marmot's MentionsEarlier today I finished my analytics course so I thought it would be nice to do something analytically to celebrate. This is a basic breakdown of Marmot's posts and how he mentioned every single one of us. I went through Marmot's ISO and counted the number of times he quoted someone, and mentioned someone in one of his posts. I then categorized every single one of Martin's mentions into three categories; Null, Town, and Scum.
I categorized something a "Town" post/mention when Marmot labelled you as a town-read/lean, defended you, or gave you props for one of your posts.
I categorized something a "Scum" post/mention when Marmot scum read you, disliked what you were saying, or voted for you.
Null is everything else
It is important to keep in mind that the data doesn't fully account for sarcasm and tone. If Marmot said "I think BoKnows is scum for posting twice in a row", I would count that as a scum post. These numbers also do not show the progression of Marmots reads. These are just raw numbers that will visualize Marmot's interactions. In my opinion, these graphs will be best paired with all the analyses Jay already did.
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we can't stop here...this is bat country!
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
I don't believe in everything you say either.

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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
Numbers don't lie.tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:15 pmit's the charts that are wrongJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:15 pm Well that's fun! Thanks Bo. I laughed when ted stood out again.

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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]
tomorrow i can put in work but i assume i'm getting vig'd or something
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