Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

[TonyStarkPrime]

Alison you have made like negative two attempts to actually engage with anything I've said this game and I don't think that's very cash money of you

[Sloonei]

Alison you have made like negative two attempts to actually engage with anything I've said this game and I don't think that's very cash money of you

If I might stick my pretty little nose in here, I don't think Alison is the only one guilty of not engaging in good faith here.

[TonyStarkPrime]

probably not w/w with marmot

spf
michelle
boknows
hally

is there a reason why not michelle here?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Alison you have made like negative two attempts to actually engage with anything I've said this game and I don't think that's very cash money of you

If I might stick my pretty little nose in here, I don't think Alison is the only one guilty of not engaging in good faith here.

yes ok to be fair I kicked her out of my town core

[tedxtr]

probably not w/w with marmot

spf
michelle
boknows
hally

is there a reason why not michelle here?

did you read her vote?

[Sloonei]

probably not w/w with marmot

spf
michelle
boknows
hally

is there a reason why not michelle here?

did you read her vote?

Why was hally not teamed with marmot at the time?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Spoiler: show

Look, there is only one way this can go
Poll runs till Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:00 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


AL_sama
4
19%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, MacDougall, tutuu, Alison
Alison
1
5%
Voters: falcon45ca
BoKnows
1
5%
Voters: Justplayingitcool
Dom
0
No votes
Voters: None
Esooa
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
fingersplints
0
No votes
Voters: None
JaggedJimmyJay
0
No votes
Voters: None
Justplayingitcool
1
5%
Voters: Oddmerta
KZA
1
5%
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
MacDougall
0
No votes
Voters: None
Marmot
1
5%
Voters: staypositivefriend
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
1
5%
Voters: KZA
Oddmerta
3
14%
Voters: BoKnows, tedxtr, Long Con
Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None
staypositivefriend
0
No votes
Voters: None
Strawhenge
0
No votes
Voters: None
tedxtr
1
5%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime
TonyStarkPrime
2
10%
Voters: fingersplints, Esooa
tutuu
2
10%
Voters: Sloonei, Marmot
Unvote
0
No votes
Voters: None
No Elimination
0
No votes
Voters: None
Is one of them the "hard way"? (Host/Dead/Non)
3
14%
Voters: nutella, Epignosis, novaselinenever
Total votes: 21

I don't have time to play at work

I looked earlier at the thread and i saw a post mentioning a tie between Marmot and Odd, now Marmot's wagon dissipated and Al is top wagon

I decided to keep this VC and I will do it again, i forgot we need some VCs.

I will cast a vote on Marmot, probably that wagon have to exist. No, i didn't read and I will appreciate if someone tells me a towny activity from Marmot explaining the votes movement.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

i think I'm probably not allowed to do VC anymore but wow look at that vote count

[tedxtr]

i'd say on surface level, the spf - tutuu thing looks like it could be a push on two people that are unaligned

especially with how i remember marmot approaching the whole deal, i want to say he's probably unaligned with tutuu at the very least

spf had a post about it that i thought about

another good point imo is to look for whoever he interacted with when this setup being multiball was brought up - the point of that question from wolves is to find out opinions from people UNALIGNED with them

in my head i'm making the comparison to GoC where we didn't actually know the setup was multiball, but still, i think it's at the very least a slight good look for whoever he engaged on that talk. if you're a wolf what are you gonna do, talk about certain information that is not revealed to villagers in the thread yet, just because...?

i'm gambling here but given that he was pushing top posters he probably at least felt a fair bit of them had decent odds at being wolves and he'd look good off of the pushes too probably

this is to say maybe he's unaligned with quite a lot of them and his team is probably the one that's gonna get crushed first

ok ur right marmot spf is maf and ur town. so finger is town too

What?

prob not aligned

already made the point but evidence is stacking

it's more about how tutuu reacted after this post more than marmot's actual reaction

[TonyStarkPrime]

ready for this bold read:

[TonyStarkPrime]

if ted's a wolf, he's on the other team

[tedxtr]

if ted's a wolf, he's on the other team

that's some spice

[Sloonei]

if ted's a wolf, he's on the other team

I am losing sight of the townie thread in your thoughts.

[tedxtr]

even though it's laughable, it's probably still a better read than me being with marmot on the same team

[TonyStarkPrime]

if ted's a wolf, he's on the other team

I am losing sight of the townie thread in your thoughts.

what do you think about it though

[Sloonei]

if ted's a wolf, he's on the other team

I am losing sight of the townie thread in your thoughts.

what do you think about it though

I'd be willing to listen if you prevented a fully formed argument. Otherwise I think you are lolcatting.

[Sloonei]

even though it's laughable, it's probably still a better read than me being with marmot on the same team

Got it.

[KZA]

Is there any vigs in the building

[TonyStarkPrime]

no but if one wants to shoot me that's ok

[tedxtr]

even though it's laughable, it's probably still a better read than me being with marmot on the same team

Got it.

you have to make it lowercase and without the dot, otherwise it looks like you're trying too hard to make the joke

[Sloonei]

even though it's laughable, it's probably still a better read than me being with marmot on the same team

Got it.

you have to make it lowercase and without the dot, otherwise it looks like you're trying too hard to make the joke

What joke? That was me telling you that I disagree with your take.

[KZA]

even though it's laughable, it's probably still a better read than me being with marmot on the same team

Got it.

you have to make it lowercase and without the dot, otherwise it looks like you're trying too hard to make the joke

lowercase with the dot is aesthetic though.

[tedxtr]

even though it's laughable, it's probably still a better read than me being with marmot on the same team

Got it.

you have to make it lowercase and without the dot, otherwise it looks like you're trying too hard to make the joke

What joke? That was me telling you that I disagree with your take.

[tedxtr]

got it

[TonyStarkPrime]

even though it's laughable, it's probably still a better read than me being with marmot on the same team

Got it.

you have to make it lowercase and without the dot, otherwise it looks like you're trying too hard to make the joke

What joke? That was me telling you that I disagree with your take.

k i laughed

[Oddmerta]

If vig is someone detached like Dom for example what should we do about that?

[Esooa]

Meme read but Dom showed up in thread

So he knows his alignment at least (I wasn't even sure about this before)

And he's obviously capable of posting

I feel like he's someone who if scum wouldn't just completely abandon his team like this

[TonyStarkPrime]

ted did you ever explain why you switched your vote at the end

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm sure it's in here somewhere

[TonyStarkPrime]

If vig is someone detached like Dom for example what should we do about that?

@Dom don't shoot me

[tedxtr]

ted did you ever explain why you switched your vote at the end

yes

[Sloonei]

ted did you ever explain why you switched your vote at the end

yes

Remind us what the reason was.

[tedxtr]

it’s in my iso guys, cmon

[fingersplints]

tony is a wolf btw

I planned on voting this way today anyways but you seem more confident now

why?

Same reasons I voted yesterday. Still my #1 suspect

[tedxtr]

i think i'll be voting marmot over al

I could find absolutely zero direct references to Al_sama in Tedxtr's ISO

On the other hand, I could find several direct references to Marmot in Ted's ISO. Ted ISO'd Marmot and concluded that he was a villager (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 70#p762270), and he spent a large portion of d1 defending him.

In spite of that, Ted decided to vote for the person that he had previously made a towncase on over the person that he had no direct interactions with whatsoever

Why?

@tedxtr

please explain this when you get the chance

idk if it's intentional or not but you're already misrepresenting me by a huge ton

when EoD approached - i got actually good points instead of "he's slanking" that I even agreed with. I admitted one of my main reasons for him being town (which can be tracked - i put it in the tl;dr version) could've been a reach when I talked with JJJ. I didn't like how marmot appeared to be defeated at EoD and felt like the PoE argument (marmot having entirely different takes from the thread and yet still acting unconcerned) was tons better than anything going itt.

I did not vote al because I felt like he was closer to rand than marmot, simple as that. his interpretation of me wasn't really wrong either - i am a pretty big factor behind most pushes on our main site, but my meta on here is entirely different - and even though everyone voted for him at EoD, I've acknowledged the possibility of him being still pretty =rand as opposed to marmot. The stars could've aligned for him, but even though he popped in to vote for me - he had more reason to do so than to vote for Marmot.

[Sloonei]

tony is a wolf btw

I planned on voting this way today anyways but you seem more confident now

why?

Same reasons I voted yesterday. Still my #1 suspect

Refresh my memory please, if you could.

[Sloonei]

idk if it's intentional or not but you're already misrepresenting me by a huge ton

when EoD approached - i got actually good points instead of "he's slanking" that I even agreed with. I admitted one of my main reasons for him being town (which can be tracked - i put it in the tl;dr version) could've been a reach when I talked with JJJ. I didn't like how marmot appeared to be defeated at EoD and felt like the PoE argument (marmot having entirely different takes from the thread and yet still acting unconcerned) was tons better than anything going itt.

I did not vote al because I felt like he was closer to rand than marmot, simple as that. his interpretation of me wasn't really wrong either - i am a pretty big factor behind most pushes on our main site, but my meta on here is entirely different - and even though everyone voted for him at EoD, I've acknowledged the possibility of him being still pretty =rand as opposed to marmot. The stars could've aligned for him, but even though he popped in to vote for me - he had more reason to do so than to vote for Marmot.

This reads more like a justification for placing a vote on marmot rather than a reason ted was convinced to vote for marmot.

[TonyStarkPrime]

hey I found it by myself

[TonyStarkPrime]

it was more than two paragraphs so I kinda glossed over it and then I played tetris instead

[Sloonei]

it is past 4 am and i am still playing mafia. I need to sleep.

Everything ted has said tonight has made me believe he is mafia. I don't say that to discourage ted if he is town, or to bury him in the eyes of others. It's just an honest reflection on the events of this evening/early morning. I encourage others to read our exchange(s) and make their own assessments. I also encourage ted to continue to work to solve the game.

TSP has looked as though he is actively trying to obfuscate and derail the thread at times. I do not know why he would be doing that as either alignment.

I'll reserve other thoughts until I feel more comfortable with the threadstate and my level of alertness.

[fingersplints]

tony is a wolf btw

I planned on voting this way today anyways but you seem more confident now

why?

Same reasons I voted yesterday. Still my #1 suspect

Refresh my memory please, if you could.

Mainly early suspect of jay for marmot vote, before changing attitude on jay and voting marmot with no reason given. No post since have inspired me with any confidence. Could believe being Marmots teammate. Could believe being the other team. Think is the best bet to get a wolf at this point.

[tedxtr]

the choices were al or marmot

[tedxtr]

it is past 4 am and i am still playing mafia. I need to sleep.

Everything ted has said tonight has made me believe he is mafia. I don't say that to discourage ted if he is town, or to bury him in the eyes of others. It's just an honest reflection on the events of this evening/early morning. I encourage others to read our exchange(s) and make their own assessments. I also encourage ted to continue to work to solve the game.

TSP has looked as though he is actively trying to obfuscate and derail the thread at times. I do not know why he would be doing that as either alignment.

I'll reserve other thoughts until I feel more comfortable with the threadstate and my level of alertness.

got it

[Sloonei]

it is past 4 am and i am still playing mafia. I need to sleep.

Everything ted has said tonight has made me believe he is mafia. I don't say that to discourage ted if he is town, or to bury him in the eyes of others. It's just an honest reflection on the events of this evening/early morning. I encourage others to read our exchange(s) and make their own assessments. I also encourage ted to continue to work to solve the game.

TSP has looked as though he is actively trying to obfuscate and derail the thread at times. I do not know why he would be doing that as either alignment.

I'll reserve other thoughts until I feel more comfortable with the threadstate and my level of alertness.

got it

which part of this do you disagree with?

[Sloonei]

tony is a wolf btw

I planned on voting this way today anyways but you seem more confident now

why?

Same reasons I voted yesterday. Still my #1 suspect

Refresh my memory please, if you could.

Mainly early suspect of jay for marmot vote, before changing attitude on jay and voting marmot with no reason given. No post since have inspired me with any confidence. Could believe being Marmots teammate. Could believe being the other team. Think is the best bet to get a wolf at this point.

I don't understand. Could you rephrase this sometime between now and 8 hours from now?
also tsp is almost certainly not marmot's teammate according to little old me.

[TonyStarkPrime]

ok sloonei I'm giving you an IOU on why I think ted is on the other team cause I have to sleep too but the long and short of it is the impression I get from his iso is "caught for the wrong reasons" vs "just a really sloppy wolf who tred his partner until a failed distancing vote for no reason two minutes before". but that got it post is really bad so idk

[TonyStarkPrime]

the reason I'm giving you an IOU instead of writing it out is I've been playing tetris

[TonyStarkPrime]

The problem is that I think Ted putting Michelle on his list of not w/w with marmot without mentioning it is perhaps teammate indicative but Michelle coming in and TTTing Ted is definitely not that

[fingersplints]

What part specifically would you like me to rephrase? I just woke up so my wording might be suffering
My early suspicion stemmed from him trying to start suspicion on Jay for voting Marmot. When that failed to get anyone to agree, he said his read on Marmot was null before immediately voting their for no reason. I’ve seen you say that you don’t believe him to be Marmot’s teammate, but I still think early interactions could make that true. Even if not Marmot’s teammate, he is a high candidate for the other team as well, as he could have been just getting on an easy lynch. The switch didn’t sit well with me. Since, basically I can’t see their posts as posts a town would make. They have been unhelpful and all over the place. Like I’m catching up some reading now and this part of forming a second towncore with LC Right now, I think tsp is our best chance at finding a mafia.

[TonyStarkPrime]

we just did the catching up game with someone else, who was it?

[TonyStarkPrime]

finally, like ok I don't want to fake indignance because I do recognize I'm being a bit of a git here but like I really don't think I've tried to derail the thread and I don't even think I've been all that confusing and ok if people believe that to be true that's fine but I'd like for someone to ask me about something if it doesn't make sense instead of being like "see look tsp is lock mafia" every time I post.