Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

[Michelle]

michelle is probably a villager btw. multiball caveat but her posts just feel like v!michelle to me

I was thinking the opposite.

You make me curious

I feel like town Michelle is more open and responsive than you have been. I felt this way before reading the previous page where you suspected everyone who talked to you and recused to elaborate on things.

i think the opposite actually. i think her attitude/obstinacy is villagery for her

I don’t think I have ever seen it to this degree from Michelle. The nearest parallel I can think of is when she OMGUS’d everyone who suspected her in Champs.

i am in my corner with my popcorn, watching you
You will probably come up with the correct answer about my alignment if you are villager.

[Hally]

michelle is probably a villager btw. multiball caveat but her posts just feel like v!michelle to me

I was thinking the opposite.

You make me curious

I feel like town Michelle is more open and responsive than you have been. I felt this way before reading the previous page where you suspected everyone who talked to you and recused to elaborate on things.

I can't read the thread so I forced reactions, whether you saw me previously doing this or not, it's not good to explain in detail what I'm doing because this nullifies my intention.
Anyway, I am ready with stirring the thread for now

what reads that you just gave were reaction tests and which were genuine?

[falcon45ca]

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JaggedJimmyJay573
Sloonei460
Alison454
BoKnows440
TonyStarkPrime414
MacDougall399
Hally384
tutuu330
Esooa296
Long Con251
Justplayingitcool226
KZA213
tedxtr212
falcon45ca203
staypositivefriend192
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME156
Marmot152
Oddmerta122
Michelle114
Strawhenge98
fingersplints82
AL_sama53
novaselinenever7
Dom6
Master Radishes2

Who is lower than me in posts number except Al, who I know is low poster by meta, is suspicious for me.
No one talks about Straw and Fingers, can I know why?
Nanook is in the same tier because he is easy posting one liners as villager, flooding the thread with a specific kind of joy.

Im probably not the one you were looking to to answer this, but we are both returning from a long break, so the quantity of our posting isn’t much of a surprise to many in a game of this size. I feel I’ve been talked about quite a bit lately. There is just stronger suspects right now.

Who are the stronger suspects to you & why? Give us 3 "prime suspects" of yours plz

[Michelle]

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UsernamePosts
JaggedJimmyJay573
Sloonei460
Alison454
BoKnows440
TonyStarkPrime414
MacDougall399
Hally384
tutuu330
Esooa296
Long Con251
Justplayingitcool226
KZA213
tedxtr212
falcon45ca203
staypositivefriend192
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME156
Marmot152
Oddmerta122
Michelle114
Strawhenge98
fingersplints82
AL_sama53
novaselinenever7
Dom6
Master Radishes2

Who is lower than me in posts number except Al, who I know is low poster by meta, is suspicious for me.
No one talks about Straw and Fingers, can I know why?
Nanook is in the same tier because he is easy posting one liners as villager, flooding the thread with a specific kind of joy.

Im probably not the one you were looking to to answer this, but we are both returning from a long break, so the quantity of our posting isn’t much of a surprise to many in a game of this size. I feel I’ve been talked about quite a bit lately. There is just stronger suspects right now.

How long was your break?
What do you like in this game (in general)? Fav alignament? Scumhunting methods? Link to last game?
Thanks

[Sloonei]

michelle is probably a villager btw. multiball caveat but her posts just feel like v!michelle to me

I was thinking the opposite.

You make me curious

I feel like town Michelle is more open and responsive than you have been. I felt this way before reading the previous page where you suspected everyone who talked to you and recused to elaborate on things.

I can't read the thread so I forced reactions, whether you saw me previously doing this or not, it's not good to explain in detail what I'm doing because this nullifies my intention.
Anyway, I am ready with stirring the thread for now

Would you mind sharing your thoughts about the reactions you have stirred up?

[Michelle]

michelle is probably a villager btw. multiball caveat but her posts just feel like v!michelle to me

I was thinking the opposite.

You make me curious

I feel like town Michelle is more open and responsive than you have been. I felt this way before reading the previous page where you suspected everyone who talked to you and recused to elaborate on things.

I can't read the thread so I forced reactions, whether you saw me previously doing this or not, it's not good to explain in detail what I'm doing because this nullifies my intention.
Anyway, I am ready with stirring the thread for now

what reads that you just gave were reaction tests and which were genuine?

The convo made me open Straw's Iso and read his first post. He started the game extremely self defensive.
And now I didn't like how he put in discussion the apparently refusal from me to talk mechanical infos.
Also in a thread with so many players no one agreed to pressure Nanook, instead a lot jumped on Ted.
This tells a story for me.

[Michelle]

I think i just answered Sloonei, there is prob more to say but these 2 things caught my eye the most

[Hally]

if michelle is a wolf she’s with Not Team Marmot imo. i don’t think she would just park her vote on marmot and bus him like that. afaik she isn’t a busser

[Strawhenge]

The convo made me open Straw's Iso and read his first post. He started the game extremely self defensive.
And now I didn't like how he put in discussion the apparently refusal from me to talk mechanical infos.
Also in a thread with so many players no one agreed to pressure Nanook, instead a lot jumped on Ted.
This tells a story for me.

What's the story?

[Michelle]

I didn't notice we have 2 flips

@Alison how did you know they are villagers?

@Alison

[Michelle]

I didn't notice we have 2 flips

@Alison how did you know they are villagers?

@Alison

@Alison

[Sloonei]

Hey Michelle, care to read my conversation with Ted over the last couple pages?

Why? Do you think is AI indicative?
I will catch up, if I will, at my own pace and reading what I feel I need, I don't accept tasks, but in a way I appreciate the fact you let me read instead imposing your opinion, this makes me strenghten my TR for you and put you at VV

This post, for instance. Maybe Michelle does this sort of thing often and I simply have never taken notice of it. But I cannot recall ever being rebuffed like this by Michelle.

She came in with a very firm town read on Ted. While this was happening, I was in the middle of a conversation with Ted where I felt like looked very very guilty. I asked Michelle if she would like to read this exchange and weigh in. since she was sporting a very different read than mine. I am town-reading Michelle at this point. I am asking simply because I want her input.

She responds with a question, the answer to which should be evident: Yes, of course I think the conversation is alignment-indicative. That is why I am trying to address it.
She then tells me she will not be reading it, at least not right away. I was not trying to assign Michelle a task, as she puts it. I was half asking for help, half checking to see if she would be willing to change her read on ted. But she flatly passed on doing anything. I don't disbelieve Michelle when she says she prefers to catch up sequentially, but this felt like a totally unnecessary dodge of my request, and I'm not sure I've ever seen Michelle be so obstinate about not being told what to do before.

[Sloonei]

if michelle is a wolf she’s with Not Team Marmot imo. i don’t think she would just park her vote on marmot and bus him like that. afaik she isn’t a busser

Yeah I don't feel like she's on Team Marmot.

[Sloonei]

I didn't notice we have 2 flips

@Alison how did you know they are villagers?

@Alison

I am not alison, but I don't understand what you are asking here, Michelle.

[Hally]

hrm, i dunno sloonei. i often feel like michelle is needlessly obstinate/stubborn as a villager (no offense michelle). maybe i’m wrong though

[Alison]

I didn't notice we have 2 flips

@Alison how did you know they are villagers?

@Alison

@Alison

Because the host flipped them?

[Alison]

I believe Michelle's stubbornness to be within her village meta.

[Alison]

I would like ted/TSP competing wagons and it isn't a huge deal who dies first.

Also if someone gets vigged it should be Al sama and not Dom. Dom is hard null because a total absence of content usually points towards extenuating real life circumstances rather than anything alignment indicative. Al sama has shown up it's just that all the things he's done in the thread have been scummy af.

[Hally]

I would like ted/TSP competing wagons and it isn't a huge deal who dies first.

Also if someone gets vigged it should be Al sama and not Dom. Dom is hard null because a total absence of content usually points towards extenuating real life circumstances rather than anything alignment indicative. Al sama has shown up it's just that all the things he's done in the thread have been scummy af.

i endorse this

[Sloonei]

I would like ted/TSP competing wagons and it isn't a huge deal who dies first.

Also if someone gets vigged it should be Al sama and not Dom. Dom is hard null because a total absence of content usually points towards extenuating real life circumstances rather than anything alignment indicative. Al sama has shown up it's just that all the things he's done in the thread have been scummy af.

Talk to me about nanook.

[Michelle]

The convo made me open Straw's Iso and read his first post. He started the game extremely self defensive.
And now I didn't like how he put in discussion the apparently refusal from me to talk mechanical infos.
Also in a thread with so many players no one agreed to pressure Nanook, instead a lot jumped on Ted.
This tells a story for me.

What's the story?

Once upon a time there was a crime Syndicate and a local gang fighting for supremacy. The villagers of the City tried to make a citizenship test

I will post the sequel, if i am alive the next day

[Hally]

nanook can also die

[Hally]

tony
ted
nook
al sama
dom

just nuke this list then reevaluate imo

[Michelle]

Falcon V
JPIC W
MacDougall V
JJJ V

Dear mafia: I am a provable town sided PR. I have just given you four accurate reads. Now you will have to deal with confirmed town Alison the whole of D1. On N1 you will have to choose between shooting town Alison, town Mac or town JJJ. Possibly even town Sloonei as well. Have fun.

Hello Alison, this is your first post. How did you know Mac and Jay are villagers?

[Hally]

i’m kinda shocked town doesn’t have a vig in this setup. having two wolf kp and no village kp seems kinda questionable to me

[Alison]

Falcon V
JPIC W
MacDougall V
JJJ V

Dear mafia: I am a provable town sided PR. I have just given you four accurate reads. Now you will have to deal with confirmed town Alison the whole of D1. On N1 you will have to choose between shooting town Alison, town Mac or town JJJ. Possibly even town Sloonei as well. Have fun.

Hello Alison, this is your first post. How did you know Mac and Jay are villagers?

I read their posts and deduced it with the power of my mafia-playing brain.

[Long Con]

I just remembered some things I wanted to comment on.

Fingersplints might just be, actually. Yes, I do think fingersplints is mafia.

This reads like you are trying to talk yourself into this suspicion because you think it looks good for you. Later you call it “less tailgatey” (or some term similar) but plenty of people have already mentioned me, so it’s hardly an original suspicion.

I should have gotten in on the ground floor with a suspicion or two, then I'd be livin' large with folks tailgatin' ME, and that is cash money.

I want to answer GTH fingersplints scum. She has been just a little too questiony and a little too careful. Or too polite. Something set me off about her posts more than once, even though I know that each term she asked about was something she genuinely didn't know.

So you think my questions are genuine but suspicious? That doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
As far as being careful and polite, I was very aware that when I returned to mafia at this time that I was doing so at a time when my moods are quite explosive, and I am determined not to bring any hormonal outrage into any thread I am in. I don’t want to make any game not fun, so there have been multiple times in each game I’ve played where I’ve stepped away for something stupid annoying me. You can confirm with keys post game if you’d like that the littlest things set me off

Just a feeling I got, multiple times when reading your posts. And I did try to factor in things like honesty level and newly-returnedness, and I still retained some gut suspicion.

[Hally]

Falcon V
JPIC W
MacDougall V
JJJ V

Dear mafia: I am a provable town sided PR. I have just given you four accurate reads. Now you will have to deal with confirmed town Alison the whole of D1. On N1 you will have to choose between shooting town Alison, town Mac or town JJJ. Possibly even town Sloonei as well. Have fun.

Hello Alison, this is your first post. How did you know Mac and Jay are villagers?

michelle, this is a multiball game. even if alison is a wolf she would not have known who the villagers are

[Strawhenge]

The convo made me open Straw's Iso and read his first post. He started the game extremely self defensive.
And now I didn't like how he put in discussion the apparently refusal from me to talk mechanical infos.
Also in a thread with so many players no one agreed to pressure Nanook, instead a lot jumped on Ted.
This tells a story for me.

What's the story?

Once upon a time there was a crime Syndicate and a local gang fighting for supremacy. The villagers of the City tried to make a citizenship test

I will post the sequel, if i am alive the next day

I don't feel like telling us why we should vote for nanook should be this hard. You said you looked at my ISO. If that's true, you'd see nanook is a scum-lean for me. If you give me a compelling reason why nanook is the most pressing chop right now, there's a chance I'll follow you on it.

So what's the story with nanook?

[Alison]

I would like ted/TSP competing wagons and it isn't a huge deal who dies first.

Also if someone gets vigged it should be Al sama and not Dom. Dom is hard null because a total absence of content usually points towards extenuating real life circumstances rather than anything alignment indicative. Al sama has shown up it's just that all the things he's done in the thread have been scummy af.

Talk to me about nanook.

To put it bluntly nanook is POE'd because of bad associatives with Marmot and based on the way he's playing this game he's unlikely to ever escape it unless his role helps him do so. He is a lesser priority than the "nuke these mfers now" tier because his posting hasn't been as scummy and because he's not actively trying to cause chaos or derail the thread. I know nanook isn't exactly slanking but he sort of fills the same archetype as a slanking POE slot right now.

[Long Con]

@Long Con Im serious about the second town core thing; hit me up if you’re interested

I mean, it sounds like a lot of fun, but I also have that 'pyramid scheme' kind of feeling about it as well. How does it work? We form a cool club, and call it The Townestcore, and... start yeeting our enemies?

[fingersplints]

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UsernamePosts
JaggedJimmyJay573
Sloonei460
Alison454
BoKnows440
TonyStarkPrime414
MacDougall399
Hally384
tutuu330
Esooa296
Long Con251
Justplayingitcool226
KZA213
tedxtr212
falcon45ca203
staypositivefriend192
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME156
Marmot152
Oddmerta122
Michelle114
Strawhenge98
fingersplints82
AL_sama53
novaselinenever7
Dom6
Master Radishes2

Who is lower than me in posts number except Al, who I know is low poster by meta, is suspicious for me.
No one talks about Straw and Fingers, can I know why?
Nanook is in the same tier because he is easy posting one liners as villager, flooding the thread with a specific kind of joy.

Im probably not the one you were looking to to answer this, but we are both returning from a long break, so the quantity of our posting isn’t much of a surprise to many in a game of this size. I feel I’ve been talked about quite a bit lately. There is just stronger suspects right now.

Who are the stronger suspects to you & why? Give us 3 "prime suspects" of yours plz

TSP is far and away my greatest suspect. I unfortunately have a bit of tunnel vision there, where I find his posts distracting me from scum hunting properly til it’s resolved. I need to spend some more time on other people to completely formulate precisely what it is that bothers me about them but this is to the best of my ability from memory.
I think the case on ted has merit. I was in process of rereading posts there and I really found them lacking. A lot of quantity there and not much to them. I hope to have more thoughts on this another time
I think Al is potentially scum. Some of their recent posts seem to be trying to stir up trouble about some of the cleared players. Like in terms of “why is Alison not doing this” “why is she even lock clear” “why did tutuu dip”. I’m pretty sure they said they were caught up, so it doesn’t seem productive to be putting doubt on those players right now. I’ve never played with this player before, and it’s their first game here but it seems from comments they have enough experience

I know you only asked for three, but I’m also starting to consider LC more. I don’t buy his frustration is from his towny self. I said I blocked him last game I played with him and his response in the thread was like “lol shit even if vote for me!” Much better humoured then some of this. Maybe he’s having a bad day, but some of his recent posts about me have caught my attention too. (I commented to them earlier)
I’m also concerned about Dom. Not a line of thought I’m actively pursuing right now in light of stronger lynch candidates, but they’ve given us nothing and more been replaced. At some point we have to make a read there and I just don’t see how we can. I was excited to see Dom on the players list, but I don’t want to give anyone a free pass

[Hally]

i’ve seen alison have extremely confident and accurate snap reads off a few entrance posts before. her accurately v reading mac and jay off their entrances doesn’t surprise me

[Sloonei]

I would like ted/TSP competing wagons and it isn't a huge deal who dies first.

Also if someone gets vigged it should be Al sama and not Dom. Dom is hard null because a total absence of content usually points towards extenuating real life circumstances rather than anything alignment indicative. Al sama has shown up it's just that all the things he's done in the thread have been scummy af.

Talk to me about nanook.

To put it bluntly nanook is POE'd because of bad associatives with Marmot and based on the way he's playing this game he's unlikely to ever escape it unless his role helps him do so. He is a lesser priority than the "nuke these mfers now" tier because his posting hasn't been as scummy and because he's not actively trying to cause chaos or derail the thread. I know nanook isn't exactly slanking but he sort of fills the same archetype as a slanking POE slot right now.

Having played about a zillion games where nanook and I were scum partners in the last year+, this game has not been strayed very far from his usual scum tactics.

That is without factoring in the Marmot associatives.

[Sloonei]

Why is TonyStarkPrime acting the way that he is today if he's mafia?

[Michelle]

After the Champs games I sweared to not put so much effort in games, Sloonei, so i explained it in several games after. I was MLed often for it.
Ted, Hally, Alison, know about this i guess because I talked here few times about it
GoC was exception btw and for nothing, btw
I should stick with low posting

[Michelle]

Falcon V
JPIC W
MacDougall V
JJJ V

Dear mafia: I am a provable town sided PR. I have just given you four accurate reads. Now you will have to deal with confirmed town Alison the whole of D1. On N1 you will have to choose between shooting town Alison, town Mac or town JJJ. Possibly even town Sloonei as well. Have fun.

Hello Alison, this is your first post. How did you know Mac and Jay are villagers?

I read their posts and deduced it with the power of my mafia-playing brain.

Ok

[Hally]

i don’t v read nanook. neither did mac. and i think mac and i are very capable of finding nook when he’s a villager. mac especially

[Sloonei]

After the Champs games I sweared to not put so much effort in games, Sloonei, so i explained it in several games after. I was MLed often for it.
Ted, Hally, Alison, know about this i guess because I talked here few times about it
GoC was exception btw and for nothing, btw
I should stick with low posting

Okay, but you have spent more than enough time in this thread to have looked over the conversation I had with ted last night. It was not extremely long. It would only take a few minutes to look at, and hearing your input on it would be helpful, especially given your strong town read on Ted right now.

[Hally]

i would like to reiterate that nook’s iso was so boring that i quite literally fell asleep as i was reading it. i don’t remember what it said but i assume it was nothing exciting because i was out like a light

[Alison]

i’ve seen alison have extremely confident and accurate snap reads off a few entrance posts before. her accurately v reading mac and jay off their entrances doesn’t surprise me

Half the planet v read mac and jay off their entrances because it they were obvtown

[Long Con]

After the Champs games I sweared to not put so much effort in games, Sloonei, so i explained it in several games after. I was MLed often for it.
Ted, Hally, Alison, know about this i guess because I talked here few times about it
GoC was exception btw and for nothing, btw
I should stick with low posting

Okay, but you have spent more than enough time in this thread to have looked over the conversation I had with ted last night. It was not extremely long. It would only take a few minutes to look at, and hearing your input on it would be helpful, especially given your strong town read on Ted right now.

I thought ted's explanation sounded reasonable. He didn't want to get into it with Alison about opposing views on Marmot because she is notoriously stubborn.

[Alison]

Based on testimony from Hally and Sloonei I am comfortable treating nanook as a clear mafia suspect. However I still think ted, TSP and al sama have been scummier. Perhaps he can fight over whether LC or himself should be exed after those three are resolved.

[Sloonei]

I have never been great at reading nanook, but I think part of that is because we've legitimately been scum partners in about half the games we have played together, so I have seldom needed to put effort into reading him. But, at long last, this also means I've started to grow familiar with some of his patterns in games where he is mafia. I do not yet have a great feel for how well those patterns carry over into his town games.

There were a couple of instances on Day 1 where I saw him making posts that triggered memories of those past scum games with nanook. I held my tongue because I was unsure and did not want to launch into a tunnel against him on Day 1. But now that I have additional, external reasons to suspect him, I feel comfortable making this read known as well.

[Long Con]

I don't want to fight with Nanook.

[Michelle]

The convo made me open Straw's Iso and read his first post. He started the game extremely self defensive.
And now I didn't like how he put in discussion the apparently refusal from me to talk mechanical infos.
Also in a thread with so many players no one agreed to pressure Nanook, instead a lot jumped on Ted.
This tells a story for me.

What's the story?

Once upon a time there was a crime Syndicate and a local gang fighting for supremacy. The villagers of the City tried to make a citizenship test

I will post the sequel, if i am alive the next day

I don't feel like telling us why we should vote for nanook should be this hard. You said you looked at my ISO. If that's true, you'd see nanook is a scum-lean for me. If you give me a compelling reason why nanook is the most pressing chop right now, there's a chance I'll follow you on it.

So what's the story with nanook?

I think i said if you would read my posts that he plays as town free flowing and active.. Now he is neither free flowing, neither active
I think i said the resistance to his wagon looks bad for me.
I don't have cases, Isos, etc. I explained in the most simple words. What do you want more, to beg? Of course i think you can be scum with him after this.

[Long Con]

[tedxtr]

i don’t understand why tony’s wagon is that much bigger than ted’s. i think ted is a better lunch personally

i loved the part where you gave a reason

[Michelle]

i would like to reiterate that nook’s iso was so boring that i quite literally fell asleep as i was reading it. i don’t remember what it said but i assume it was nothing exciting because i was out like a light

I remember you said this in a post and i loled

[tedxtr]

i don’t understand why tony’s wagon is that much bigger than ted’s. i think ted is a better lunch personally

Apologies if you've gone into it already, but why ted > TSP?

ted looks very aligned with marmot and also could possibly be on the other team

the consensus on tony is that if he’s a wolf he can’t be with marmot and would only be on the other team

so to me it makes more sense to lunch ted first

explain for each hypothesis how that is the case