Beelzebub The Benign scum win

[BoKnows]

I mean when sharks smell blood...

Just coming from odds, what are the odds that all 4 of these people are town?

[BoKnows]

How many scum?

[Urist]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Why are you voting Alison?

I can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.

Have you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?

So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?

I think Alison is defending Samu for bad reasons. Given that there were only 2 votes on Samu at the time I feel like she wouldn't be jumping in to defend a buddy at that point. Prob not w/w.

Why are you voting Alison?

Maybe it has something to do with their push on me and defence on both Samu and Falcon.
But an elaboration would be necessary I’d agree.

Maybe you should let Urist speak for themselves.

That’s what I’m doing but I’m just also stating what I think.

The issue with that is that Urist just gave essentially the same answer you did, and now I don't know if that is Urist's thinking, or if Urist read your post and just copied your thinking.

If I were Urist I would again point out that Alison has not made very many on-topic posts. And having played with Urist before, I can tell you that he would not randomly vote for someone without having a reason in mind, regardless of his alignment.

If Alison/Samu are not w/w, what changed regarding your read of Samu?

Nothing. Independent of my Alison read, I don't town-read Samu.

[Esooa]

I feel pretty decent about samu being town

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Why are you voting Alison?

I can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.

Have you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?

So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?

I think Alison is defending Samu for bad reasons. Given that there were only 2 votes on Samu at the time I feel like she wouldn't be jumping in to defend a buddy at that point. Prob not w/w.

Maybe it has something to do with their push on me and defence on both Samu and Falcon.
But an elaboration would be necessary I’d agree.

Maybe you should let Urist speak for themselves.

That’s what I’m doing but I’m just also stating what I think.

The issue with that is that Urist just gave essentially the same answer you did, and now I don't know if that is Urist's thinking, or if Urist read your post and just copied your thinking.

If I were Urist I would again point out that Alison has not made very many on-topic posts. And having played with Urist before, I can tell you that he would not randomly vote for someone without having a reason in mind, regardless of his alignment.

If Alison/Samu are not w/w, what changed regarding your read of Samu?

Nothing. Independent of my Alison read, I don't town-read Samu.

So, just to clarify... you think Samu/Falcon are w/w, and you think Alison is w, but you think Alison/Samu is not w/w? How does this make sense?

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine

[BoKnows]

seance town

[Esooa]

idk if it's just me but there's way too many big quote chains and discussions only pertinent to the couple people involved

[Urist]

Why are you voting Alison?

I can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.

Have you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?

So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?

I think Alison is defending Samu for bad reasons. Given that there were only 2 votes on Samu at the time I feel like she wouldn't be jumping in to defend a buddy at that point. Prob not w/w.

Maybe you should let Urist speak for themselves.

That’s what I’m doing but I’m just also stating what I think.

The issue with that is that Urist just gave essentially the same answer you did, and now I don't know if that is Urist's thinking, or if Urist read your post and just copied your thinking.

If I were Urist I would again point out that Alison has not made very many on-topic posts. And having played with Urist before, I can tell you that he would not randomly vote for someone without having a reason in mind, regardless of his alignment.

If Alison/Samu are not w/w, what changed regarding your read of Samu?

Nothing. Independent of my Alison read, I don't town-read Samu.

So, just to clarify... you think Samu/Falcon are w/w, and you think Alison is w, but you think Alison/Samu is not w/w? How does this make sense?

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine

Yes, I realize I'm wrong on at least one of those things. I don't see how that's scummy.

[Urist]

idk if it's just me but there's way too many big quote chains and discussions only pertinent to the couple people involved

Why do you town read Samu?

[Seanzie]

I can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.

Have you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?

So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?

I think Alison is defending Samu for bad reasons. Given that there were only 2 votes on Samu at the time I feel like she wouldn't be jumping in to defend a buddy at that point. Prob not w/w.

That’s what I’m doing but I’m just also stating what I think.

The issue with that is that Urist just gave essentially the same answer you did, and now I don't know if that is Urist's thinking, or if Urist read your post and just copied your thinking.

If I were Urist I would again point out that Alison has not made very many on-topic posts. And having played with Urist before, I can tell you that he would not randomly vote for someone without having a reason in mind, regardless of his alignment.

If Alison/Samu are not w/w, what changed regarding your read of Samu?

Nothing. Independent of my Alison read, I don't town-read Samu.

So, just to clarify... you think Samu/Falcon are w/w, and you think Alison is w, but you think Alison/Samu is not w/w? How does this make sense?

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine

Yes, I realize I'm wrong on at least one of those things. I don't see how that's scummy.

It isn't scummy to consider multiple conflicting worlds, but I don't see you trying to figure out what world we are in. You seem to just want to give out wolf reads.

Do you have any town reads right now?

[Esooa]

idk if it's just me but there's way too many big quote chains and discussions only pertinent to the couple people involved

Why do you town read Samu?

because he made like ten posts in a row about that one guy everyone is talking about and he has no reason to do that as mafia

[Gavial]

Why are you voting Alison?

I can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.

Have you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?

So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?

I think Alison is defending Samu for bad reasons. Given that there were only 2 votes on Samu at the time I feel like she wouldn't be jumping in to defend a buddy at that point. Prob not w/w.

Maybe you should let Urist speak for themselves.

That’s what I’m doing but I’m just also stating what I think.

The issue with that is that Urist just gave essentially the same answer you did, and now I don't know if that is Urist's thinking, or if Urist read your post and just copied your thinking.

If I were Urist I would again point out that Alison has not made very many on-topic posts. And having played with Urist before, I can tell you that he would not randomly vote for someone without having a reason in mind, regardless of his alignment.

If Alison/Samu are not w/w, what changed regarding your read of Samu?

Nothing. Independent of my Alison read, I don't town-read Samu.

So, just to clarify... you think Samu/Falcon are w/w, and you think Alison is w, but you think Alison/Samu is not w/w? How does this make sense?

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine

I think he’s saying he SR’s Samu independent of Alison’s existence.

[Gavial]

I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone voting me right now is Town.

[Gavial]

Because I mean look who’s voting me lol.

[Gavial]

But for those who dropped an accusation bomb on me, there’s a scum in there.

[Gavial]

seance town

Um that’s not his name, you spelt it wrong.
But please justify your read.

[Gavial]

Have you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?

So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?

I think Alison is defending Samu for bad reasons. Given that there were only 2 votes on Samu at the time I feel like she wouldn't be jumping in to defend a buddy at that point. Prob not w/w.

The issue with that is that Urist just gave essentially the same answer you did, and now I don't know if that is Urist's thinking, or if Urist read your post and just copied your thinking.

If I were Urist I would again point out that Alison has not made very many on-topic posts. And having played with Urist before, I can tell you that he would not randomly vote for someone without having a reason in mind, regardless of his alignment.

If Alison/Samu are not w/w, what changed regarding your read of Samu?

Nothing. Independent of my Alison read, I don't town-read Samu.

So, just to clarify... you think Samu/Falcon are w/w, and you think Alison is w, but you think Alison/Samu is not w/w? How does this make sense?

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine

Yes, I realize I'm wrong on at least one of those things. I don't see how that's scummy.

It isn't scummy to consider multiple conflicting worlds, but I don't see you trying to figure out what world we are in. You seem to just want to give out wolf reads.

Do you have any town reads right now?

You know what’s funny.
People in the Sean/BK/Alison/Samu/Falcon chain seem to focus so much on those outside of it but I have yet to see for example real convos back in fourth between Sean/BK or Falcon/Alison or Samu/Someone who isn’t Falcon.

[Gavial]

idk if it's just me but there's way too many big quote chains and discussions only pertinent to the couple people involved

Why do you town read Samu?

because he made like ten posts in a row about that one guy everyone is talking about and he has no reason to do that as mafia

That’s ugh....
Dumb?

Anyone can make a post about anything.
It ain’t AI mate.

[Gavial]

I made a post about Tony 10 times in a row last game and was I scum?

[Gavial]

For those who weren’t in my last game, spoiler alert.
I WaS sCuM.

[DaughterOfOmega]

But for those who dropped an accusation bomb on me, there’s a scum in there.

If you are town, I would change the way you talk about people who call out your behavior. It's not beneficial for the town who think you might be mafia. As a town who is pushing you, it's much harder to interact and changing the read I have when you make post like this.

[Samusamu]

Oh, what a coincidence, LC wants to join the club too.

You think I'm a wolf because I think Samu is suspect?

Not necessarily, but you're someone that deserves scrutiny. What don't you like about Samu's explanation exactly?

I tried to explain it in the post I identified it, I was hoping that would answer such questions. I don't buy the evolution of the seeming joke vote blossoming into a big Gotcha that I don't agree with in the first place, and I don't like that he walked it back and asked the thread for falcon meta.

My vote isnt a joke vote.

And i said i havent did a big gotcha, i just did a read.

I clearly say that.

You dont agree with my read that the progresion of falcon and the tension he shows is weird? Okey then, how do u interpretate that posts from falcon.

I think Samusamu is townie in ways that make him appear to be an easy push for mafia. I call this the Michelle-Timsup2nothin archetype. Of the people pushing him I find falcon's push most townie because it seems motivated by a mixture of paranoia and townie OMGUS. Urist and Gavial piling on are things that I am not a fan of at all.

“Easy ML” isn’t a reason to assume someone’s town.
Mafia can simply be playing poorly to the extent they look like one.
As for myself, I’m not confident in either as that is exactly what I believe.
They are Willager or Wolf. Least IMO.
I’m not pushing him at all I’m just giving my take and input.
Urist just said 1 take and then pretty much said he had to dip, definitely a very powerful push there eh Alison?
Am I not allowed to contribute my thoughts?
Like you don’t seem to be a fan on those that intervened in the conversation between Falcon/Samu yet I still have yet to hear your take on the matter and if I missed it please redirect me to your post that I missed.
Not to mention you seem to have no opinion on Sean at all, he defended Samu (not that well IMO) and sus’ed Falcon.
Also if you don’t agree on my takes then respond to them with your own take, like what is your own take on Sean’s comment regarding Falcon’s first post.

Sorry but im not an easy ml, i asume myself that playing in english i gonna be objetive for easy pushes but im not stupid and i know what im doing and for what are the things i use to do.

This post is horrible, there isnt a single point of a town trying to understanding something.

All your thoughts seem to be preset in this post.

You give the impression that from the first page you have decided which players you are going to look at as scum and that you will already build the necessary narrative to fit what you see fit regardless of the coherence of the narrative or whether there is any possibility that something is amiss in your readings.

There is only one player protype that exhibits this behavior, and it aligns with scum.

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

[VOTE: gavial] aubergine

Yeah based on this progression I’m slowly starting to think it was SvS. @Marmot if I end up dying here I need you to trust me on this that individually read Samu and Falcon and act as if the interaction never happened because like their immediate swap is like nullified their early game interaction. Least from the way I see it.

@Samusamu I’m not the one calling you an easy ML, Alison did.
First BK not reading Urist.
Now you not reading Alison.
SMH.

Back on my home site I used to be a major tunneller when I believe something to be true but I’m trying to not play that way again and try to keep an open mind in the game state.
I’m still gonna state everything I state regardless though because it does help, at least to an extent.

I dont care if alison thinks that im an easy ml.

Im claryfing to you that im not that type of person

[Samusamu]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Why are you voting Alison?

I can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.

Have you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?

So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?

Im not understanding this post, can u rewrite?

[Samusamu]

Gavial doing good work. I like them

Yo talk to me about one of Samu/Falcon/DK/Sean/Jessie

Give me a brief read and reasoning towards one of them.

I am more curious as to why you listed these players

I’ll explain that, then you choose one of em MK?

Samu/Falcon should be obvious enough.
DK due to me getting scum vibes from them and their butt in on the convo.
Sean because he was the first to defend.
Jessie because I wanted to put a zero poster as an option and see what happens.

No, u havent said a solid argument to put the falcon vs samu to be obvious enough.

What an argument is being "the first to defend" ?

And it sounds like you put jessie for putting something more.

Well at this point i dont wanna unvote you

[Gavial]

But for those who dropped an accusation bomb on me, there’s a scum in there.

If you are town, I would change the way you talk about people who call out your behavior. It's not beneficial for the town who think you might be mafia. As a town who is pushing you, it's much harder to interact and changing the read I have when you make post like this.

What exactly are you suggesting I do?
I don’t think anything is wrong with my “behaviour”.
I’m responding to question but some people are choosing not to respond to mine, like yourself.
If I can’t expect you to respond to something and shift it instead why should you expect me to do what exactly? Convince you I’m town?
Your not making me believe your town either so.
I don’t blindly read people, I read people when I find a reason to do so.
I think the way you went about our little interaction was Wolfy.

[Gavial]

Oh, what a coincidence, LC wants to join the club too.

You think I'm a wolf because I think Samu is suspect?

Not necessarily, but you're someone that deserves scrutiny. What don't you like about Samu's explanation exactly?

I tried to explain it in the post I identified it, I was hoping that would answer such questions. I don't buy the evolution of the seeming joke vote blossoming into a big Gotcha that I don't agree with in the first place, and I don't like that he walked it back and asked the thread for falcon meta.

My vote isnt a joke vote.

And i said i havent did a big gotcha, i just did a read.

I clearly say that.

You dont agree with my read that the progresion of falcon and the tension he shows is weird? Okey then, how do u interpretate that posts from falcon.

I think Samusamu is townie in ways that make him appear to be an easy push for mafia. I call this the Michelle-Timsup2nothin archetype. Of the people pushing him I find falcon's push most townie because it seems motivated by a mixture of paranoia and townie OMGUS. Urist and Gavial piling on are things that I am not a fan of at all.

“Easy ML” isn’t a reason to assume someone’s town.
Mafia can simply be playing poorly to the extent they look like one.
As for myself, I’m not confident in either as that is exactly what I believe.
They are Willager or Wolf. Least IMO.
I’m not pushing him at all I’m just giving my take and input.
Urist just said 1 take and then pretty much said he had to dip, definitely a very powerful push there eh Alison?
Am I not allowed to contribute my thoughts?
Like you don’t seem to be a fan on those that intervened in the conversation between Falcon/Samu yet I still have yet to hear your take on the matter and if I missed it please redirect me to your post that I missed.
Not to mention you seem to have no opinion on Sean at all, he defended Samu (not that well IMO) and sus’ed Falcon.
Also if you don’t agree on my takes then respond to them with your own take, like what is your own take on Sean’s comment regarding Falcon’s first post.

Sorry but im not an easy ml, i asume myself that playing in english i gonna be objetive for easy pushes but im not stupid and i know what im doing and for what are the things i use to do.

This post is horrible, there isnt a single point of a town trying to understanding something.

All your thoughts seem to be preset in this post.

You give the impression that from the first page you have decided which players you are going to look at as scum and that you will already build the necessary narrative to fit what you see fit regardless of the coherence of the narrative or whether there is any possibility that something is amiss in your readings.

There is only one player protype that exhibits this behavior, and it aligns with scum.

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

[VOTE: gavial] aubergine

Yeah based on this progression I’m slowly starting to think it was SvS. @Marmot if I end up dying here I need you to trust me on this that individually read Samu and Falcon and act as if the interaction never happened because like their immediate swap is like nullified their early game interaction. Least from the way I see it.

@Samusamu I’m not the one calling you an easy ML, Alison did.
First BK not reading Urist.
Now you not reading Alison.
SMH.

Back on my home site I used to be a major tunneller when I believe something to be true but I’m trying to not play that way again and try to keep an open mind in the game state.
I’m still gonna state everything I state regardless though because it does help, at least to an extent.

I dont care if alison thinks that im an easy ml.

Im claryfing to you that im not that type of person

Well you should care or it should at least concern you a bit that Alison’s only reason on TRing you is that from what I recall.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Why are you voting Alison?

I can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.

Have you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?

So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?

Im not understanding this post, can u rewrite?

The first sentence is asking why Urist is speaking strangely (he is saying stuff like "I can't speak for Urist, but...", but he is Urist.)

The second sentence is asking Urist to elaborate on what he is thinking in regards to Alison and you.

[Gavial]

Oh, what a coincidence, LC wants to join the club too.

You think I'm a wolf because I think Samu is suspect?

Not necessarily, but you're someone that deserves scrutiny. What don't you like about Samu's explanation exactly?

I tried to explain it in the post I identified it, I was hoping that would answer such questions. I don't buy the evolution of the seeming joke vote blossoming into a big Gotcha that I don't agree with in the first place, and I don't like that he walked it back and asked the thread for falcon meta.

My vote isnt a joke vote.

And i said i havent did a big gotcha, i just did a read.

I clearly say that.

You dont agree with my read that the progresion of falcon and the tension he shows is weird? Okey then, how do u interpretate that posts from falcon.

I think Samusamu is townie in ways that make him appear to be an easy push for mafia. I call this the Michelle-Timsup2nothin archetype. Of the people pushing him I find falcon's push most townie because it seems motivated by a mixture of paranoia and townie OMGUS. Urist and Gavial piling on are things that I am not a fan of at all.

“Easy ML” isn’t a reason to assume someone’s town.
Mafia can simply be playing poorly to the extent they look like one.
As for myself, I’m not confident in either as that is exactly what I believe.
They are Willager or Wolf. Least IMO.
I’m not pushing him at all I’m just giving my take and input.
Urist just said 1 take and then pretty much said he had to dip, definitely a very powerful push there eh Alison?
Am I not allowed to contribute my thoughts?
Like you don’t seem to be a fan on those that intervened in the conversation between Falcon/Samu yet I still have yet to hear your take on the matter and if I missed it please redirect me to your post that I missed.
Not to mention you seem to have no opinion on Sean at all, he defended Samu (not that well IMO) and sus’ed Falcon.
Also if you don’t agree on my takes then respond to them with your own take, like what is your own take on Sean’s comment regarding Falcon’s first post.

Sorry but im not an easy ml, i asume myself that playing in english i gonna be objetive for easy pushes but im not stupid and i know what im doing and for what are the things i use to do.

This post is horrible, there isnt a single point of a town trying to understanding something.

All your thoughts seem to be preset in this post.

You give the impression that from the first page you have decided which players you are going to look at as scum and that you will already build the necessary narrative to fit what you see fit regardless of the coherence of the narrative or whether there is any possibility that something is amiss in your readings.

There is only one player protype that exhibits this behavior, and it aligns with scum.

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

[VOTE: gavial] aubergine

Yeah based on this progression I’m slowly starting to think it was SvS. @Marmot if I end up dying here I need you to trust me on this that individually read Samu and Falcon and act as if the interaction never happened because like their immediate swap is like nullified their early game interaction. Least from the way I see it.

@Samusamu I’m not the one calling you an easy ML, Alison did.
First BK not reading Urist.
Now you not reading Alison.
SMH.

Back on my home site I used to be a major tunneller when I believe something to be true but I’m trying to not play that way again and try to keep an open mind in the game state.
I’m still gonna state everything I state regardless though because it does help, at least to an extent.

I dont care if alison thinks that im an easy ml.

Im claryfing to you that im not that type of person

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Why are you voting Alison?

I can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.

Have you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?

So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?

Im not understanding this post, can u rewrite?

How do you not understand?
Do you not know what LHF means?
It means Low Hanging Fruit, it means weak/new/bad/etc town.
He asked if the working theory was Alison defending you by calling you “Easy ML”/“LHF”. (Assuming your both Wolves)

If you still can’t understand this then I don’t know what to tell yeah Bud.

[Samusamu]

Yep the only ones I can trust RN is like LC/Hollowkat/Marmot/Esooa and maybe Urist.

"I can only trust 5 out of 14 players on day one WOE IS ME"

How is this real.

Because like,
You/Alison/Samu/Falcon/BK aren’t really given me a reason to trust you.
Sean I’m not really sure on and need more from.
That zero poster hasn’t posted.
I don’t remember much from Tony.

Put it in this way, what do u give to trust u?

[Seanzie]

You think I'm a wolf because I think Samu is suspect?

Not necessarily, but you're someone that deserves scrutiny. What don't you like about Samu's explanation exactly?

I tried to explain it in the post I identified it, I was hoping that would answer such questions. I don't buy the evolution of the seeming joke vote blossoming into a big Gotcha that I don't agree with in the first place, and I don't like that he walked it back and asked the thread for falcon meta.

My vote isnt a joke vote.

And i said i havent did a big gotcha, i just did a read.

I clearly say that.

You dont agree with my read that the progresion of falcon and the tension he shows is weird? Okey then, how do u interpretate that posts from falcon.

I think Samusamu is townie in ways that make him appear to be an easy push for mafia. I call this the Michelle-Timsup2nothin archetype. Of the people pushing him I find falcon's push most townie because it seems motivated by a mixture of paranoia and townie OMGUS. Urist and Gavial piling on are things that I am not a fan of at all.

“Easy ML” isn’t a reason to assume someone’s town.
Mafia can simply be playing poorly to the extent they look like one.
As for myself, I’m not confident in either as that is exactly what I believe.
They are Willager or Wolf. Least IMO.
I’m not pushing him at all I’m just giving my take and input.
Urist just said 1 take and then pretty much said he had to dip, definitely a very powerful push there eh Alison?
Am I not allowed to contribute my thoughts?
Like you don’t seem to be a fan on those that intervened in the conversation between Falcon/Samu yet I still have yet to hear your take on the matter and if I missed it please redirect me to your post that I missed.
Not to mention you seem to have no opinion on Sean at all, he defended Samu (not that well IMO) and sus’ed Falcon.
Also if you don’t agree on my takes then respond to them with your own take, like what is your own take on Sean’s comment regarding Falcon’s first post.

Sorry but im not an easy ml, i asume myself that playing in english i gonna be objetive for easy pushes but im not stupid and i know what im doing and for what are the things i use to do.

This post is horrible, there isnt a single point of a town trying to understanding something.

All your thoughts seem to be preset in this post.

You give the impression that from the first page you have decided which players you are going to look at as scum and that you will already build the necessary narrative to fit what you see fit regardless of the coherence of the narrative or whether there is any possibility that something is amiss in your readings.

There is only one player protype that exhibits this behavior, and it aligns with scum.

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

[VOTE: gavial] aubergine

Yeah based on this progression I’m slowly starting to think it was SvS. @Marmot if I end up dying here I need you to trust me on this that individually read Samu and Falcon and act as if the interaction never happened because like their immediate swap is like nullified their early game interaction. Least from the way I see it.

@Samusamu I’m not the one calling you an easy ML, Alison did.
First BK not reading Urist.
Now you not reading Alison.
SMH.

Back on my home site I used to be a major tunneller when I believe something to be true but I’m trying to not play that way again and try to keep an open mind in the game state.
I’m still gonna state everything I state regardless though because it does help, at least to an extent.

I dont care if alison thinks that im an easy ml.

Im claryfing to you that im not that type of person

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Why are you voting Alison?

I can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.

Have you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?

So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?

Im not understanding this post, can u rewrite?

How do you not understand?
Do you not know what LHF means?
It means Low Hanging Fruit, it means weak/new/bad/etc town.
He asked if the working theory was Alison defending you by calling you “Easy ML”/“LHF”. (Assuming your both Wolves)

If you still can’t understand this then I don’t know what to tell yeah Bud.

Dude, Samu is ESL, this has been mentioned in the thread. I don't think you should berate him for not understanding a post. Especially since words like "quirked" are extremely uncommon, and the way this word is used in mafia doesn't really fit the textbook definition. This post comes off as overly hostile to someone just asking for clarification.

[Gavial]

Gavial doing good work. I like them

Yo talk to me about one of Samu/Falcon/DK/Sean/Jessie

Give me a brief read and reasoning towards one of them.

I am more curious as to why you listed these players

I’ll explain that, then you choose one of em MK?

Samu/Falcon should be obvious enough.
DK due to me getting scum vibes from them and their butt in on the convo.
Sean because he was the first to defend.
Jessie because I wanted to put a zero poster as an option and see what happens.

No, u havent said a solid argument to put the falcon vs samu to be obvious enough.

What an argument is being "the first to defend" ?

And it sounds like you put jessie for putting something more.

Well at this point i dont wanna unvote you

Um this is just 5 people I have suggested for DOOM.
You and Falcon have the most attention other then myself so it is obvious so idk what your talking about.

I don’t SR Sean? I’m just conflicted on them.
TF with “argument” my god did you even read the entire conversation or you just throwing agenda.

I put Jessie because they are a zero poster and I wanted to test and see how DOOM would go about that one.
I legit looked at the playerlist and seen Jessie hasn’t spoken yet so if your suggesting I “randomly” chose them that’s false.
If your saying that I wanted to have 5 and decided for my last to casually throw in the zero poster you are correct yes.

Then don’t Unvote me until you believe me to be town.
I don’t know what to tell yeah.

[Gavial]

Like when I was reading this Samu it like you seriously thought I used that Sean thing as a reasoning of a SR which isn’t the case.

[Samusamu]

I can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.

Have you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?

So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?

I think Alison is defending Samu for bad reasons. Given that there were only 2 votes on Samu at the time I feel like she wouldn't be jumping in to defend a buddy at that point. Prob not w/w.

That’s what I’m doing but I’m just also stating what I think.

The issue with that is that Urist just gave essentially the same answer you did, and now I don't know if that is Urist's thinking, or if Urist read your post and just copied your thinking.

If I were Urist I would again point out that Alison has not made very many on-topic posts. And having played with Urist before, I can tell you that he would not randomly vote for someone without having a reason in mind, regardless of his alignment.

If Alison/Samu are not w/w, what changed regarding your read of Samu?

Nothing. Independent of my Alison read, I don't town-read Samu.

So, just to clarify... you think Samu/Falcon are w/w, and you think Alison is w, but you think Alison/Samu is not w/w? How does this make sense?

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine

Yes, I realize I'm wrong on at least one of those things. I don't see how that's scummy.

Can u put a link of your last game being town?

[Gavial]

Not necessarily, but you're someone that deserves scrutiny. What don't you like about Samu's explanation exactly?

I tried to explain it in the post I identified it, I was hoping that would answer such questions. I don't buy the evolution of the seeming joke vote blossoming into a big Gotcha that I don't agree with in the first place, and I don't like that he walked it back and asked the thread for falcon meta.

My vote isnt a joke vote.

And i said i havent did a big gotcha, i just did a read.

I clearly say that.

You dont agree with my read that the progresion of falcon and the tension he shows is weird? Okey then, how do u interpretate that posts from falcon.

I think Samusamu is townie in ways that make him appear to be an easy push for mafia. I call this the Michelle-Timsup2nothin archetype. Of the people pushing him I find falcon's push most townie because it seems motivated by a mixture of paranoia and townie OMGUS. Urist and Gavial piling on are things that I am not a fan of at all.

“Easy ML” isn’t a reason to assume someone’s town.
Mafia can simply be playing poorly to the extent they look like one.
As for myself, I’m not confident in either as that is exactly what I believe.
They are Willager or Wolf. Least IMO.
I’m not pushing him at all I’m just giving my take and input.
Urist just said 1 take and then pretty much said he had to dip, definitely a very powerful push there eh Alison?
Am I not allowed to contribute my thoughts?
Like you don’t seem to be a fan on those that intervened in the conversation between Falcon/Samu yet I still have yet to hear your take on the matter and if I missed it please redirect me to your post that I missed.
Not to mention you seem to have no opinion on Sean at all, he defended Samu (not that well IMO) and sus’ed Falcon.
Also if you don’t agree on my takes then respond to them with your own take, like what is your own take on Sean’s comment regarding Falcon’s first post.

Sorry but im not an easy ml, i asume myself that playing in english i gonna be objetive for easy pushes but im not stupid and i know what im doing and for what are the things i use to do.

This post is horrible, there isnt a single point of a town trying to understanding something.

All your thoughts seem to be preset in this post.

You give the impression that from the first page you have decided which players you are going to look at as scum and that you will already build the necessary narrative to fit what you see fit regardless of the coherence of the narrative or whether there is any possibility that something is amiss in your readings.

There is only one player protype that exhibits this behavior, and it aligns with scum.

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

[VOTE: gavial] aubergine

Yeah based on this progression I’m slowly starting to think it was SvS. @Marmot if I end up dying here I need you to trust me on this that individually read Samu and Falcon and act as if the interaction never happened because like their immediate swap is like nullified their early game interaction. Least from the way I see it.

@Samusamu I’m not the one calling you an easy ML, Alison did.
First BK not reading Urist.
Now you not reading Alison.
SMH.

Back on my home site I used to be a major tunneller when I believe something to be true but I’m trying to not play that way again and try to keep an open mind in the game state.
I’m still gonna state everything I state regardless though because it does help, at least to an extent.

I dont care if alison thinks that im an easy ml.

Im claryfing to you that im not that type of person

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Why are you voting Alison?

I can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.

Have you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?

So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?

Im not understanding this post, can u rewrite?

How do you not understand?
Do you not know what LHF means?
It means Low Hanging Fruit, it means weak/new/bad/etc town.
He asked if the working theory was Alison defending you by calling you “Easy ML”/“LHF”. (Assuming your both Wolves)

If you still can’t understand this then I don’t know what to tell yeah Bud.

Dude, Samu is ESL, this has been mentioned in the thread. I don't think you should berate him for not understanding a post. Especially since words like "quirked" are extremely uncommon, and the way this word is used in mafia doesn't really fit the textbook definition. This post comes off as overly hostile to someone just asking for clarification.

The first part wasn’t meant to be aggressive it was meant as it is. A question.

[Gavial]

https://forum.throneoflies.com/t/thing- ... wins/86704
Joy_Tongue

@Samusamu

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: VOTE GAVIEL] aubergine

[Samusamu]

I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone voting me right now is Town.

This post sucks it is innecesary to say that, what u want to win saying that?

For what a town who is scumreading the persons who voted him want to say this?

[Gavial]

I got mod killed because a town pissed me off and had me in a lock tunnel.
I was conflicted towards them as they were either scum or LHF tunneller which was the case.
I thought I was Townie but apparently not until later after it was too late and I got mod killed for threatening to show my Rolecard at EoD.

[Gavial]

I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone voting me right now is Town.

This post sucks it is innecesary to say that, what u want to win saying that?

For what a town who is scumreading the persons who voted him want to say this?

It’s a joke cause I’m voting me (not seriously) with my Top TR and you which I think can just be real poor town.

[Seanzie]

I tried to explain it in the post I identified it, I was hoping that would answer such questions. I don't buy the evolution of the seeming joke vote blossoming into a big Gotcha that I don't agree with in the first place, and I don't like that he walked it back and asked the thread for falcon meta.

My vote isnt a joke vote.

And i said i havent did a big gotcha, i just did a read.

I clearly say that.

You dont agree with my read that the progresion of falcon and the tension he shows is weird? Okey then, how do u interpretate that posts from falcon.

“Easy ML” isn’t a reason to assume someone’s town.
Mafia can simply be playing poorly to the extent they look like one.
As for myself, I’m not confident in either as that is exactly what I believe.
They are Willager or Wolf. Least IMO.
I’m not pushing him at all I’m just giving my take and input.
Urist just said 1 take and then pretty much said he had to dip, definitely a very powerful push there eh Alison?
Am I not allowed to contribute my thoughts?
Like you don’t seem to be a fan on those that intervened in the conversation between Falcon/Samu yet I still have yet to hear your take on the matter and if I missed it please redirect me to your post that I missed.
Not to mention you seem to have no opinion on Sean at all, he defended Samu (not that well IMO) and sus’ed Falcon.
Also if you don’t agree on my takes then respond to them with your own take, like what is your own take on Sean’s comment regarding Falcon’s first post.

Sorry but im not an easy ml, i asume myself that playing in english i gonna be objetive for easy pushes but im not stupid and i know what im doing and for what are the things i use to do.

This post is horrible, there isnt a single point of a town trying to understanding something.

All your thoughts seem to be preset in this post.

You give the impression that from the first page you have decided which players you are going to look at as scum and that you will already build the necessary narrative to fit what you see fit regardless of the coherence of the narrative or whether there is any possibility that something is amiss in your readings.

There is only one player protype that exhibits this behavior, and it aligns with scum.

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

[VOTE: gavial] aubergine

Yeah based on this progression I’m slowly starting to think it was SvS. @Marmot if I end up dying here I need you to trust me on this that individually read Samu and Falcon and act as if the interaction never happened because like their immediate swap is like nullified their early game interaction. Least from the way I see it.

@Samusamu I’m not the one calling you an easy ML, Alison did.
First BK not reading Urist.
Now you not reading Alison.
SMH.

Back on my home site I used to be a major tunneller when I believe something to be true but I’m trying to not play that way again and try to keep an open mind in the game state.
I’m still gonna state everything I state regardless though because it does help, at least to an extent.

I dont care if alison thinks that im an easy ml.

Im claryfing to you that im not that type of person

Why are you voting Alison?

I can't speak for Urist but I imagine it is mostly due to the defense of Samu as an easy push without giving any reasons for why Samu might be town, as well as Alison's push on Gharial which is just taking one thing he said and jumping on it, as opposed to looking at his work as a whole.
Again I won't pretend to know what is going on in Urist's head but I think that's a solid guess considering Alison hasn't really made any other AI posts this game.

Have you been quirked into speaking in 3rd person or something?

So is your working theory that scum!Allison is trying to defend scum!Samu by making Samu out as LHF?

Im not understanding this post, can u rewrite?

How do you not understand?
Do you not know what LHF means?
It means Low Hanging Fruit, it means weak/new/bad/etc town.
He asked if the working theory was Alison defending you by calling you “Easy ML”/“LHF”. (Assuming your both Wolves)

If you still can’t understand this then I don’t know what to tell yeah Bud.

Dude, Samu is ESL, this has been mentioned in the thread. I don't think you should berate him for not understanding a post. Especially since words like "quirked" are extremely uncommon, and the way this word is used in mafia doesn't really fit the textbook definition. This post comes off as overly hostile to someone just asking for clarification.

The first part wasn’t meant to be aggressive it was meant as it is. A question.

"How do you not understand?" Is not a real question. It is rhetorical, and hostile. If you didn't mean it that way, then fine, but that is how it comes off.

[Gavial]

My point of that was the only real accuser voting me was you Samu.
Not sure why Falcon took this long to vote, makes me SR them even more tbh.

[Gavial]

No clarification either

[falcon45ca]

My point of that was the only real accuser voting me was you Samu.
Not sure why Falcon took this long to vote, makes me SR them even more tbh.

I am hungover and my power levels are dangerously low

[Gavial]

@Marmot
I hope you can see now that this Falcon/Samu interaction is irrelevant as they can both easily be W/W as Urist said.
So consider it as if it never happened please so you don’t get end game manipulated.

[Gavial]

My point of that was the only real accuser voting me was you Samu.
Not sure why Falcon took this long to vote, makes me SR them even more tbh.

I am hungover and my power levels are dangerously low

So when your sane you save your vote and when your not you don’t?

[falcon45ca]

My point of that was the only real accuser voting me was you Samu.
Not sure why Falcon took this long to vote, makes me SR them even more tbh.

I am hungover and my power levels are dangerously low

So when your sane you save your vote and when your not you don’t?

I don't know what this means.


I vote when I feel like it?

[Samusamu]

I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone voting me right now is Town.

This post sucks it is innecesary to say that, what u want to win saying that?

For what a town who is scumreading the persons who voted him want to say this?

It’s a joke cause I’m voting me (not seriously) with my Top TR and you which I think can just be real poor town.

I asked u before, what do u win voting yourself and saying at the same time you say you will put your vote in other group of persons?

What have u won with that at this point?

[Gavial]

My point of that was the only real accuser voting me was you Samu.
Not sure why Falcon took this long to vote, makes me SR them even more tbh.

I am hungover and my power levels are dangerously low

So when your sane you save your vote and when your not you don’t?

I don't know what this means.


I vote when I feel like it?

So when Samu voted you, you never felt a need to counter vote?

[Gavial]

I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone voting me right now is Town.

This post sucks it is innecesary to say that, what u want to win saying that?

For what a town who is scumreading the persons who voted him want to say this?

It’s a joke cause I’m voting me (not seriously) with my Top TR and you which I think can just be real poor town.

I asked u before, what do u win voting yourself and saying at the same time you say you will put your vote in other group of persons?

What have u won with that at this point?

Am I suppose to win something?
I’m using my vote on myself as a placeholder.

[falcon45ca]

My point of that was the only real accuser voting me was you Samu.
Not sure why Falcon took this long to vote, makes me SR them even more tbh.

I am hungover and my power levels are dangerously low

So when your sane you save your vote and when your not you don’t?

I don't know what this means.


I vote when I feel like it?

So when Samu voted you, you never felt a need to counter vote?

No. I don't vote for people cuz they sus me