Beelzebub The Benign scum win

[hollowkatt]

That said... I didn't think hk was being serious about his vote for me, nor do I think he's being serious about his vote for you esooa (unless he previously had reason to suspect you)

[Samusamu]

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

Care to elaborate?

I found his approach to Samu's & I the most opphrtunistic

Yet Samu and Me seemed to bother you more at that time.

I'm town and my reads change as the game progresses. Why do you seem intent on keeping it in the past?

And your reads til the moment are?

You, LC & I are town reads.

Gav & Seanzie are scum reads.


Lotta null beyond that

How many time have you been playing mafia?

[hollowkatt]

where I'm at:
town
Gavail
Marmot
Sam

leans town
Doom
Esooa

everyone else is some flavor of POE or another, or I'm not paying attention

You have Marmot pretty high, (I did as well but with more going up he went down and the read wasn’t that strong to begin with) so what’s your reasoning for Marmot?

I don't think wolf marmot asks me what would get him wolf read, do half of it (poorly), and then say "HKs vote on me wasn't serious and neither is his vote on Esooa"
Also he's a warm fuzzy mammal and that's nice too

[falcon45ca]

Care to elaborate?

I found his approach to Samu's & I the most opphrtunistic

Yet Samu and Me seemed to bother you more at that time.

I'm town and my reads change as the game progresses. Why do you seem intent on keeping it in the past?

And your reads til the moment are?

You, LC & I are town reads.

Gav & Seanzie are scum reads.


Lotta null beyond that

How many time have you been playing mafia?

This is my 2nd time

[BoKnows]

@BoKnows if u are town i need to now before eod where u gonna put your vote.

give me a few. hungover

Before you do, I want you to think about your read on Falcon and then share it with the class.

last I've seen falcon is in his scum range

saying someone is in their scumrange isn't exactly a read. Do you think he is scum, or no?

Going to check his ISO and get back to you

we could just chop alison

No

[BoKnows]

I just read the thread from pg. 13 to now. I'm retracting my statement on Alison

[falcon45ca]

Care to elaborate?

I found his approach to Samu's & I the most opphrtunistic

Yet Samu and Me seemed to bother you more at that time.

I'm town and my reads change as the game progresses. Why do you seem intent on keeping it in the past?

And your reads til the moment are?

You, LC & I are town reads.

Gav & Seanzie are scum reads.


Lotta null beyond that

Are all your reads based on that one interaction? You claim that your reads change as the game progresses, but I don't really see any evidence of that. Have you read the full thread?

I have not

[Marmot]

@BoKnows if u are town i need to now before eod where u gonna put your vote.

give me a few. hungover

Before you do, I want you to think about your read on Falcon and then share it with the class.

last I've seen falcon is in his scum range

saying someone is in their scumrange isn't exactly a read. Do you think he is scum, or no?

Going to check his ISO and get back to you

we could just chop alison

No

I just read the thread from pg. 13 to now. I'm retracting my statement on Alison

I'm confused by these two posts. Why did you said No, then 40 seconds, say you've read the last 3 pages and changed your mind?

Or was there another statement somewhere?

[Marmot]

3 pages in 40 seconds is like falcon speed of reading

[BoKnows]

Alison - Null
Doom - Null
Esooa - Town
Falcon - Scum
Gavial - Scum
Hollowkatt - Town
JessieKruger - Null
Long Con - Null
Marmot - Mixed feelings
Samusamu - Town
Seanzie - Town
Tsp - Null
Urist - Town

[hollowkatt]

Elanor Woodheads Sped Redding Course

[Samusamu]

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

Care to elaborate?

I found his approach to Samu's & I the most opphrtunistic

Yet Samu and Me seemed to bother you more at that time.

I'm town and my reads change as the game progresses. Why do you seem intent on keeping it in the past?

And your reads til the moment are?

You, LC & I are town reads.

Gav & Seanzie are scum reads.


Lotta null beyond that

How many time have u been playing mafia?

[BoKnows]

3 pages in 40 seconds is like falcon speed of reading

the posts are backwards

[Seanzie]

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

spicy
why are they top scum?

Both of their reactions to Samu & I

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

Care to elaborate?

I found his approach to Samu's & I the most opphrtunistic

I'm taking sean out of my townreads. I was just reading through those posts again and I agree with this.

He didn't have a lot of conviction and I think it's because he was looking for an easy way to back out of the read.

soooo lets just murder seanz then
[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

Alrirghty

[VOTE: sean] aubergine

Wagonz!

[BoKnows]

Just gonna post some townreads for now while I'm catching up. I don't have any confident scumreads yet.

Strong town reads:

BK - This is nothing like his recent scum games.
Samu - his testing of falcon looked fine, it got the game rolling. He moved on from it too. He's interacting with people. I like his presence

Light town reads

Gavial - Taking up a lot of threadspace, but as-so-far, I find him less manipulative than I recall in Fallout. This is not a comprehensive read
Urist - Soul read
Seanzie - I'd like to see him enter the fray more, but his content, observations, and questions are similar to what I'd expect from him.
Omega - Similar to sean, I'd like to see her dig in more. That aside, she has more energy than she did as scum in Fallout Mafia, but her lack of energy there might not have been based solely on rolling mafia. Just a slight town lean here
TSP - Soul read


All other players I don't have reads on yet, so they are in a sense my poe.

Part of me thinks this is TMI spew

[hollowkatt]

Alison - Null
Doom - Null
Esooa - Town
Falcon - Scum
Gavial - Scum
Hollowkatt - Town
JessieKruger - Null
Long Con - Null
Marmot - Mixed feelings
Samusamu - Town
Seanzie - Town
Tsp - Null
Urist - Town

Why so many nulls?

[hollowkatt]

and also how are you getting to scum on Gavial? / town on Seanzie?

[Marmot]

3 pages in 40 seconds is like falcon speed of reading

the posts are backwards

What statement about Alison are you retracting?

[Marmot]

Just gonna post some townreads for now while I'm catching up. I don't have any confident scumreads yet.

Strong town reads:

BK - This is nothing like his recent scum games.
Samu - his testing of falcon looked fine, it got the game rolling. He moved on from it too. He's interacting with people. I like his presence

Light town reads

Gavial - Taking up a lot of threadspace, but as-so-far, I find him less manipulative than I recall in Fallout. This is not a comprehensive read
Urist - Soul read
Seanzie - I'd like to see him enter the fray more, but his content, observations, and questions are similar to what I'd expect from him.
Omega - Similar to sean, I'd like to see her dig in more. That aside, she has more energy than she did as scum in Fallout Mafia, but her lack of energy there might not have been based solely on rolling mafia. Just a slight town lean here
TSP - Soul read


All other players I don't have reads on yet, so they are in a sense my poe.

Part of me thinks this is TMI spew

Why is this TMI?

[BoKnows]

Where's your head at @BoKnows? I don't know where you stand on a lot of players. Afaik, you have a scumread of falcon and gavial, and a townread of sean.

Yeah I'm not too certain about falcon but Gavial just seems scummy to me. Sean is still giving me town vibes. Alison's lack of presence is also worth noting IMO. I'm a few pages behind, I'll start skimming through them and give you a better answer.

@Marmot

[BoKnows]

Just gonna post some townreads for now while I'm catching up. I don't have any confident scumreads yet.

Strong town reads:

BK - This is nothing like his recent scum games.
Samu - his testing of falcon looked fine, it got the game rolling. He moved on from it too. He's interacting with people. I like his presence

Light town reads

Gavial - Taking up a lot of threadspace, but as-so-far, I find him less manipulative than I recall in Fallout. This is not a comprehensive read
Urist - Soul read
Seanzie - I'd like to see him enter the fray more, but his content, observations, and questions are similar to what I'd expect from him.
Omega - Similar to sean, I'd like to see her dig in more. That aside, she has more energy than she did as scum in Fallout Mafia, but her lack of energy there might not have been based solely on rolling mafia. Just a slight town lean here
TSP - Soul read


All other players I don't have reads on yet, so they are in a sense my poe.

Part of me thinks this is TMI spew

Why is this TMI?

Seems like a silly reason to strong town read somebody.

[BoKnows]

Alison - Null
Doom - Null
Esooa - Town
Falcon - Scum
Gavial - Scum
Hollowkatt - Town
JessieKruger - Null
Long Con - Null
Marmot - Mixed feelings
Samusamu - Town
Seanzie - Town
Tsp - Null
Urist - Town

Why so many nulls?

Haven't read any or many of their posts to make a fair judgement.

[Esooa]

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

[BoKnows]

and also how are you getting to scum on Gavial? / town on Seanzie?

Read something that Sean posted a while back and sounded super towny. Sean hasn't done anything to lose those feelings since then.

Gavial's reasoning on some of his reads are bleh. Plus I still think he likes to make something out of nothing.

[BoKnows]

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

[BoKnows]

Why is seanzie the lead wagon?

[Gavial]

I will proceed by not voting myself because this game sucks

Top scumread if you please?

If you read their posts you would find out.
Now 2 people who don’t answer questions are DOOM and Alison so you should give them some.

This was a question for esooa. She did not answer the question.

Where in her iso does it say, "This person is my top scumread."?


What question did Alison not answer?

She also isn’t here yet and she stated her SR’s in her Readslist.
I don’t remember them but I remember that Me,Samu and Hollow are her top Town.

At this point I forgot but it’s like right after they accused me I asked them.

[Seanzie]

Why is seanzie the lead wagon?

They hate me because I'm beautiful.

[Marmot]

Just gonna post some townreads for now while I'm catching up. I don't have any confident scumreads yet.

Strong town reads:

BK - This is nothing like his recent scum games.
Samu - his testing of falcon looked fine, it got the game rolling. He moved on from it too. He's interacting with people. I like his presence

Light town reads

Gavial - Taking up a lot of threadspace, but as-so-far, I find him less manipulative than I recall in Fallout. This is not a comprehensive read
Urist - Soul read
Seanzie - I'd like to see him enter the fray more, but his content, observations, and questions are similar to what I'd expect from him.
Omega - Similar to sean, I'd like to see her dig in more. That aside, she has more energy than she did as scum in Fallout Mafia, but her lack of energy there might not have been based solely on rolling mafia. Just a slight town lean here
TSP - Soul read


All other players I don't have reads on yet, so they are in a sense my poe.

Part of me thinks this is TMI spew

Why is this TMI?

Seems like a silly reason to strong town read somebody.

You might find it weird, but that alone doesn't make it TMI. That said, I no longer feel that way.

Also, the statement you retracted was "Alison's lack of presence is also worth noting IMO". By retracting it, do you find it no longer noteworthy? I assume you had a read on her before and that's what you're retracting, but it isn't clear what it is.


I'm trying to figure out your thought process.

[Gavial]

atm I scum read falcon/bk the most

bk just doesn't have great energy and I agree with Dooms point on him

falcon I usually have no struggle reading but this game I'm very bleh on him.

I haven't looked at these two much and I will probably ISO them before EoD but yeah.

if I had to add a third, probably marmot because he is doing nothing but it's more so nai

don't have a lot of scum reads atm which is why I was just voting and didn't really care

cause I was just following other people's votes to see what happens

@Marmot
Like this is only 2 pages down Bro.
I’d expect better from you, you were genuine now you just seem lazy and uncaring.
Your Null to me now

[BoKnows]

Her lack of presence is no longer noteworthy

[Marmot]

I will proceed by not voting myself because this game sucks

Top scumread if you please?

If you read their posts you would find out.
Now 2 people who don’t answer questions are DOOM and Alison so you should give them some.

This was a question for esooa. She did not answer the question.

Where in her iso does it say, "This person is my top scumread."?


What question did Alison not answer?

She also isn’t here yet and she stated her SR’s in her Readslist.
I don’t remember them but I remember that Me,Samu and Hollow are her top Town.

At this point I forgot but it’s like right after they accused me I asked them.

What do you mean, esooa responded to that post directly, she most definitely was here.

[Gavial]

You were genuine before*
My bad, said it wrong.

[Marmot]

atm I scum read falcon/bk the most

bk just doesn't have great energy and I agree with Dooms point on him

falcon I usually have no struggle reading but this game I'm very bleh on him.

I haven't looked at these two much and I will probably ISO them before EoD but yeah.

if I had to add a third, probably marmot because he is doing nothing but it's more so nai

don't have a lot of scum reads atm which is why I was just voting and didn't really care

cause I was just following other people's votes to see what happens

@Marmot
Like this is only 2 pages down Bro.
I’d expect better from you, you were genuine now you just seem lazy and uncaring.
Your Null to me now

I asked for her top scumread because it wasn't clear to me, and she didn't answer the question. Yet I am now lazy and uncaring here? Why would I be put at a null read for that?

I don't at all understand your read of me right now.

[hollowkatt]

Why is seanzie the lead wagon?

cause he's kinda scummy

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

I think your read on me is bogus. I'm not playing this game to earn a townread from you, I'm trying to find the scum here.

[Seanzie]

I'm kind of second guessing my Falcon read right now. He is unabashedly not caught up. I feel like if he was scum here with an (albiet small) wagon, he'd either make a point to be caught up or offer some sort of excuse for why he isn't caught up. Instead, he has given out-dated reads, and only when pressed did he admit he hasn't read the whole thread.

On the other hand, people like Esooa and HK have been vote jumping, seemingly testing the waters with their votes, trying to find what will stick. Coincidence that they both have somehow landed on me without any progression? I don't think either one has said a word about me all day.

[Gavial]

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

Care to elaborate?

I found his approach to Samu's & I the most opphrtunistic

Yet Samu and Me seemed to bother you more at that time.

I'm town and my reads change as the game progresses. Why do you seem intent on keeping it in the past?

Ok having the entire Bolded in the same sentence is completely unnecessary and doesn’t at all seem genuine.
All I’m saying is if that’s your only issue it should have bothered you then and not later.
I intent on keeping it in the past because I refuse to allow potential theatre to slip by and I want to nullify it and pretend it never happened because I don’t want anyone falsely cleared from a 1on1 interaction like that. You and Samu need to be read individually.

[BoKnows]

Why is seanzie the lead wagon?

cause he's kinda scummy

boo

[Marmot]

I'm kind of second guessing my Falcon read right now. He is unabashedly not caught up. I feel like if he was scum here with an (albiet small) wagon, he'd either make a point to be caught up or offer some sort of excuse for why he isn't caught up. Instead, he has given out-dated reads, and only when pressed did he admit he hasn't read the whole thread.

On the other hand, people like Esooa and HK have been vote jumping, seemingly testing the waters with their votes, trying to find what will stick. Coincidence that they both have somehow landed on me without any progression? I don't think either one has said a word about me all day.

I searched HK's ISO and you're right, he didn't mention a read of you until after his vote (and his vote looks like he's trying to start a wagon on you)

[Gavial]

Alrirghty

[VOTE: sean] aubergine

Yeah Marmot/BK/Falcon can never all be town.
I’m good with my Falcon vote.

[Gavial]

Alison - Null
Doom - Null
Esooa - Town
Falcon - Scum
Gavial - Scum
Hollowkatt - Town
JessieKruger - Null
Long Con - Null
Marmot - Mixed feelings
Samusamu - Town
Seanzie - Town
Tsp - Null
Urist - Town

Vote Falcon then so Sean doesn’t die.

[Gavial]

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

Esooa trust me here and vote Falcon please.

[BoKnows]

Alison - Null
Doom - Null
Esooa - Town
Falcon - Scum
Gavial - Scum
Hollowkatt - Town
JessieKruger - Null
Long Con - Null
Marmot - Mixed feelings
Samusamu - Town
Seanzie - Town
Tsp - Null
Urist - Town

Vote Falcon then so Sean doesn’t die.

Maybe

[Gavial]

Falcon is the best yeet informational wise I believe.

[hollowkatt]

I'm kind of second guessing my Falcon read right now. He is unabashedly not caught up. I feel like if he was scum here with an (albiet small) wagon, he'd either make a point to be caught up or offer some sort of excuse for why he isn't caught up. Instead, he has given out-dated reads, and only when pressed did he admit he hasn't read the whole thread.

On the other hand, people like Esooa and HK have been vote jumping, seemingly testing the waters with their votes, trying to find what will stick. Coincidence that they both have somehow landed on me without any progression? I don't think either one has said a word about me all day.

I searched HK's ISO and you're right, he didn't mention a read of you until after his vote (and his vote looks like he's trying to start a wagon on you)

you mean I joined Esooa and Falcon on Seanzie right? Disingenuous much?

[Marmot]

Spoiler: show

why not take votes seriously though?

I mean, votes should always be considered for their meaning. I think the word "serious" isn't quite right. Samu's vote didn't look at all like it was meant to contribute to a TK of Falcon, and rarely are early D1 votes meant in that way. Instead they are more used to generate content and reactions. Samu naked voted Falcon, and then when pressed, asked Falcon what he thinks of that. That vote looks "non-serious" to be in the sense that I don't really think Samu was thinking about TKing Falcon there. If Samu is town, it was a reaction test, and if he is scum, I don't think he would cast a vote meant to stay there this early in D1.

Doing reaction tests like that IMO is >rand town, and Falcon taking the vote seriously enough to OMGUS Samu I think is >rand scum.

basically there's a difference between "I intend to kill you with this vote" and "I wonder what happens if I vote you here". There's also "this vote is literally for laughs" but that category is generally really obvs.

Can see how ppl are getting to wolfy falcon off of that.

ok thanks. I can see how he gets to "one of falcon, seanzie, samusamu is a wolf". Seems like that's a fairly reasonable stance to take. Not thrilled with his "don't want to hit wrong" take tho, it's still early.
His second post you quote is meh to me. Can grok why you don't like it.
Third post is a throw-away in my book.

I guess I get what concerns you, so thanks, I appreciate it.

If you are being serious, work on your ability to analyze the game

Is this directed at anyone in particular or do you just kinda think everyone who isn't you is shite?

I can't speak for DoO, but I assume it's the latter.
I do think that's more of a townie mindset for her though. I don't disagree with the points you're making about her *in general*, but I don't think they apply to DoO.

tbh I want to wolf read her for it. mostly b/c I've done what she's doing as wolf, and I've had it done to me. It's kinda effective b/c as long as you're not crossing the line from "annoyed and responding with snark and sarcasm" into "actually insulting people" it gets people who sus you to back off.

Outside of her interactions with me/Gavial what's your take on DoO? I know my read on her is currently clouded by my recent interactions.

You "want" to wolf read her? Are you wolf reading her, or no?

I wolf read AtE

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

spicy
why are they top scum?

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

spicy
why are they top scum?

Both of their reactions to Samu & I

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

Care to elaborate?

I found his approach to Samu's & I the most opphrtunistic

I'm taking sean out of my townreads. I was just reading through those posts again and I agree with this.

He didn't have a lot of conviction and I think it's because he was looking for an easy way to back out of the read.

soooo lets just murder seanz then
[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

For anyone interested, here is HK's progression on sean up to his vote for sean

@hollowkatt what do you find scummy about sean?

[Gavial]

I didn’t wanna say this earlier because it’s anti-town but at this point I’m not doing any better so I’ll come out.

Falcon Softed PR/Mafia

[hollowkatt]

Falcon is the best yeet informational wise I believe.

why?

[BoKnows]

I didn’t wanna say this earlier because it’s anti-town but at this point I’m not doing any better so I’ll come out.

Falcon Softed PR/Mafia

Prove it