Beelzebub The Benign scum win

[Seanzie]

I'm kind of second guessing my Falcon read right now. He is unabashedly not caught up. I feel like if he was scum here with an (albiet small) wagon, he'd either make a point to be caught up or offer some sort of excuse for why he isn't caught up. Instead, he has given out-dated reads, and only when pressed did he admit he hasn't read the whole thread.

On the other hand, people like Esooa and HK have been vote jumping, seemingly testing the waters with their votes, trying to find what will stick. Coincidence that they both have somehow landed on me without any progression? I don't think either one has said a word about me all day.

I searched HK's ISO and you're right, he didn't mention a read of you until after his vote (and his vote looks like he's trying to start a wagon on you)

you mean I joined Esooa and Falcon on Seanzie right? Disingenuous much?

Esooa wasn't voting for me and hadn't said anything about me when you voted. You "joined" Esooa?

[BoKnows]

How is that anti-town?

[Gavial]

He thoughts VT didn’t have flavour but it doesz

[Gavial]

How is that anti-town?

Calling out potential PR is Anti-Town.

[Samusamu]

Falcon is the best yeet informational wise I believe.

[BoKnows]

marmot feels town

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Hollowkatt] aubergine

[Marmot]

I'm kind of second guessing my Falcon read right now. He is unabashedly not caught up. I feel like if he was scum here with an (albiet small) wagon, he'd either make a point to be caught up or offer some sort of excuse for why he isn't caught up. Instead, he has given out-dated reads, and only when pressed did he admit he hasn't read the whole thread.

On the other hand, people like Esooa and HK have been vote jumping, seemingly testing the waters with their votes, trying to find what will stick. Coincidence that they both have somehow landed on me without any progression? I don't think either one has said a word about me all day.

I searched HK's ISO and you're right, he didn't mention a read of you until after his vote (and his vote looks like he's trying to start a wagon on you)

you mean I joined Esooa and Falcon on Seanzie right? Disingenuous much?

What's disingenuous?

I believe the order was falcon >> You >> Myself >> esooa

[Gavial]

I’m real liking Sean and not really liking BK but not counting them out on being town.

[Gavial]

marmot feels town

Does he know?
How come?

[Seanzie]

Pretty sure Hollowkatt/Esooa is a thing, and Hollowkatt just slipped. They probably planned to flip to me in wolf chat, and Hollowkatt forgot what order it went in.

[Gavial]

Now*

[hollowkatt]

Spoiler: show

why not take votes seriously though?

I mean, votes should always be considered for their meaning. I think the word "serious" isn't quite right. Samu's vote didn't look at all like it was meant to contribute to a TK of Falcon, and rarely are early D1 votes meant in that way. Instead they are more used to generate content and reactions. Samu naked voted Falcon, and then when pressed, asked Falcon what he thinks of that. That vote looks "non-serious" to be in the sense that I don't really think Samu was thinking about TKing Falcon there. If Samu is town, it was a reaction test, and if he is scum, I don't think he would cast a vote meant to stay there this early in D1.

Doing reaction tests like that IMO is >rand town, and Falcon taking the vote seriously enough to OMGUS Samu I think is >rand scum.

basically there's a difference between "I intend to kill you with this vote" and "I wonder what happens if I vote you here". There's also "this vote is literally for laughs" but that category is generally really obvs.

Can see how ppl are getting to wolfy falcon off of that.

ok thanks. I can see how he gets to "one of falcon, seanzie, samusamu is a wolf". Seems like that's a fairly reasonable stance to take. Not thrilled with his "don't want to hit wrong" take tho, it's still early.
His second post you quote is meh to me. Can grok why you don't like it.
Third post is a throw-away in my book.

I guess I get what concerns you, so thanks, I appreciate it.

If you are being serious, work on your ability to analyze the game

Is this directed at anyone in particular or do you just kinda think everyone who isn't you is shite?

I can't speak for DoO, but I assume it's the latter.
I do think that's more of a townie mindset for her though. I don't disagree with the points you're making about her *in general*, but I don't think they apply to DoO.

tbh I want to wolf read her for it. mostly b/c I've done what she's doing as wolf, and I've had it done to me. It's kinda effective b/c as long as you're not crossing the line from "annoyed and responding with snark and sarcasm" into "actually insulting people" it gets people who sus you to back off.

Outside of her interactions with me/Gavial what's your take on DoO? I know my read on her is currently clouded by my recent interactions.

You "want" to wolf read her? Are you wolf reading her, or no?

I wolf read AtE

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

spicy
why are they top scum?

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

spicy
why are they top scum?

Both of their reactions to Samu & I

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

Care to elaborate?

I found his approach to Samu's & I the most opphrtunistic

I'm taking sean out of my townreads. I was just reading through those posts again and I agree with this.

He didn't have a lot of conviction and I think it's because he was looking for an easy way to back out of the read.

soooo lets just murder seanz then
[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

For anyone interested, here is HK's progression on sean up to his vote for sean

@hollowkatt what do you find scummy about sean?

Why aren't you voting sean?

[Marmot]

I didn’t wanna say this earlier because it’s anti-town but at this point I’m not doing any better so I’ll come out.

Falcon Softed PR/Mafia

If you can convince me that it's mafia and definitely not PR, then I'd consider it.

[hollowkatt]

I'm kind of second guessing my Falcon read right now. He is unabashedly not caught up. I feel like if he was scum here with an (albiet small) wagon, he'd either make a point to be caught up or offer some sort of excuse for why he isn't caught up. Instead, he has given out-dated reads, and only when pressed did he admit he hasn't read the whole thread.

On the other hand, people like Esooa and HK have been vote jumping, seemingly testing the waters with their votes, trying to find what will stick. Coincidence that they both have somehow landed on me without any progression? I don't think either one has said a word about me all day.

I searched HK's ISO and you're right, he didn't mention a read of you until after his vote (and his vote looks like he's trying to start a wagon on you)

you mean I joined Esooa and Falcon on Seanzie right? Disingenuous much?

Esooa wasn't voting for me and hadn't said anything about me when you voted. You "joined" Esooa?

I'm not keeping track lol

[BoKnows]

marmot feels town

Does he know?
How come?

his posts

[hollowkatt]

I'm kind of second guessing my Falcon read right now. He is unabashedly not caught up. I feel like if he was scum here with an (albiet small) wagon, he'd either make a point to be caught up or offer some sort of excuse for why he isn't caught up. Instead, he has given out-dated reads, and only when pressed did he admit he hasn't read the whole thread.

On the other hand, people like Esooa and HK have been vote jumping, seemingly testing the waters with their votes, trying to find what will stick. Coincidence that they both have somehow landed on me without any progression? I don't think either one has said a word about me all day.

I searched HK's ISO and you're right, he didn't mention a read of you until after his vote (and his vote looks like he's trying to start a wagon on you)

you mean I joined Esooa and Falcon on Seanzie right? Disingenuous much?

What's disingenuous?

I believe the order was falcon >> You >> Myself >> esooa

I thought Esooa had voted seanz before me, my bad.
also, you're not voting him, just throwing shade his way. Mates?

[Gavial]

Pretty sure Hollowkatt/Esooa is a thing, and Hollowkatt just slipped. They probably planned to flip to me in wolf chat, and Hollowkatt forgot what order it went in.

I mean I can’t say it’s impossible but I do think Esooa is town.
Hollowkatt I wanna believe is town but I haven’t enjoyed them recently.

[Seanzie]

I'm kind of second guessing my Falcon read right now. He is unabashedly not caught up. I feel like if he was scum here with an (albiet small) wagon, he'd either make a point to be caught up or offer some sort of excuse for why he isn't caught up. Instead, he has given out-dated reads, and only when pressed did he admit he hasn't read the whole thread.

On the other hand, people like Esooa and HK have been vote jumping, seemingly testing the waters with their votes, trying to find what will stick. Coincidence that they both have somehow landed on me without any progression? I don't think either one has said a word about me all day.

I searched HK's ISO and you're right, he didn't mention a read of you until after his vote (and his vote looks like he's trying to start a wagon on you)

you mean I joined Esooa and Falcon on Seanzie right? Disingenuous much?

Esooa wasn't voting for me and hadn't said anything about me when you voted. You "joined" Esooa?

I'm not keeping track lol

Uh-huh... so a second ago you joined Esooa, but now that you realize that's wrong... you don't keep track? The only thing not tracking is your story.

[Gavial]

marmot feels town

Does he know?
How come?

his posts

What about them?
They shiny?

[falcon45ca]

Falcon is the best yeet informational wise I believe.

What are you going to learn when I flip green?

[Marmot]

He thoughts VT didn’t have flavour but it doesz

Hmmm, I don't think he's mafia based on that, then. I took "flavorless" to be equivalent to vanilla in his opening post.

[hollowkatt]

Pretty sure Hollowkatt/Esooa is a thing, and Hollowkatt just slipped. They probably planned to flip to me in wolf chat, and Hollowkatt forgot what order it went in.

yeah, we had a big theater thing cooked up in wolf chat and then oops, hk made a boo boo...

[Gavial]

Sean is my top 3 Town

[BoKnows]

marmot feels town

Does he know?
How come?

his posts

What about them?
They shiny?

I believe that they come from a towny place.

[Gavial]

Fairly confident their the designated ML right now

[hollowkatt]

I'm kind of second guessing my Falcon read right now. He is unabashedly not caught up. I feel like if he was scum here with an (albiet small) wagon, he'd either make a point to be caught up or offer some sort of excuse for why he isn't caught up. Instead, he has given out-dated reads, and only when pressed did he admit he hasn't read the whole thread.

On the other hand, people like Esooa and HK have been vote jumping, seemingly testing the waters with their votes, trying to find what will stick. Coincidence that they both have somehow landed on me without any progression? I don't think either one has said a word about me all day.

I searched HK's ISO and you're right, he didn't mention a read of you until after his vote (and his vote looks like he's trying to start a wagon on you)

you mean I joined Esooa and Falcon on Seanzie right? Disingenuous much?

Esooa wasn't voting for me and hadn't said anything about me when you voted. You "joined" Esooa?

I'm not keeping track lol

Uh-huh... so a second ago you joined Esooa, but now that you realize that's wrong... you don't keep track? The only thing not tracking is your story.

yes, hard claiming not to track

[Marmot]

Spoiler: show

why not take votes seriously though?

I mean, votes should always be considered for their meaning. I think the word "serious" isn't quite right. Samu's vote didn't look at all like it was meant to contribute to a TK of Falcon, and rarely are early D1 votes meant in that way. Instead they are more used to generate content and reactions. Samu naked voted Falcon, and then when pressed, asked Falcon what he thinks of that. That vote looks "non-serious" to be in the sense that I don't really think Samu was thinking about TKing Falcon there. If Samu is town, it was a reaction test, and if he is scum, I don't think he would cast a vote meant to stay there this early in D1.

Doing reaction tests like that IMO is >rand town, and Falcon taking the vote seriously enough to OMGUS Samu I think is >rand scum.

basically there's a difference between "I intend to kill you with this vote" and "I wonder what happens if I vote you here". There's also "this vote is literally for laughs" but that category is generally really obvs.

Can see how ppl are getting to wolfy falcon off of that.

ok thanks. I can see how he gets to "one of falcon, seanzie, samusamu is a wolf". Seems like that's a fairly reasonable stance to take. Not thrilled with his "don't want to hit wrong" take tho, it's still early.
His second post you quote is meh to me. Can grok why you don't like it.
Third post is a throw-away in my book.

I guess I get what concerns you, so thanks, I appreciate it.

Is this directed at anyone in particular or do you just kinda think everyone who isn't you is shite?

I can't speak for DoO, but I assume it's the latter.
I do think that's more of a townie mindset for her though. I don't disagree with the points you're making about her *in general*, but I don't think they apply to DoO.

tbh I want to wolf read her for it. mostly b/c I've done what she's doing as wolf, and I've had it done to me. It's kinda effective b/c as long as you're not crossing the line from "annoyed and responding with snark and sarcasm" into "actually insulting people" it gets people who sus you to back off.

Outside of her interactions with me/Gavial what's your take on DoO? I know my read on her is currently clouded by my recent interactions.

You "want" to wolf read her? Are you wolf reading her, or no?

I wolf read AtE

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

spicy
why are they top scum?

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

spicy
why are they top scum?

Both of their reactions to Samu & I

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

Care to elaborate?

I found his approach to Samu's & I the most opphrtunistic

I'm taking sean out of my townreads. I was just reading through those posts again and I agree with this.

He didn't have a lot of conviction and I think it's because he was looking for an easy way to back out of the read.

soooo lets just murder seanz then
[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

For anyone interested, here is HK's progression on sean up to his vote for sean

@hollowkatt what do you find scummy about sean?

Why aren't you voting sean?

Because I moved my vote to Gavial.

Could you please explain what you find scummy about sean.

[Gavial]

marmot feels town

Does he know?
How come?

his posts

What about them?
They shiny?

I believe that they come from a towny place.

Is it your scum chat?

[hollowkatt]

Fairly confident their the designated ML right now

you think Falcon is a better hit than Seanz then? Sell me on why Falcon

[falcon45ca]

Pretty sure Hollowkatt/Esooa is a thing, and Hollowkatt just slipped. They probably planned to flip to me in wolf chat, and Hollowkatt forgot what order it went in.

Where's the slip? I missed it

[BoKnows]

marmot feels town

Does he know?
How come?

his posts

What about them?
They shiny?

I believe that they come from a towny place.

Is it your scum chat?

no that's opposite of town

[BoKnows]

kinda dumb that the only reason I got for seanzie being the lead wagon is that he's "kinda" scummy. like wtf is that.

[hollowkatt]

Spoiler: show

why not take votes seriously though?

I mean, votes should always be considered for their meaning. I think the word "serious" isn't quite right. Samu's vote didn't look at all like it was meant to contribute to a TK of Falcon, and rarely are early D1 votes meant in that way. Instead they are more used to generate content and reactions. Samu naked voted Falcon, and then when pressed, asked Falcon what he thinks of that. That vote looks "non-serious" to be in the sense that I don't really think Samu was thinking about TKing Falcon there. If Samu is town, it was a reaction test, and if he is scum, I don't think he would cast a vote meant to stay there this early in D1.

Doing reaction tests like that IMO is >rand town, and Falcon taking the vote seriously enough to OMGUS Samu I think is >rand scum.

basically there's a difference between "I intend to kill you with this vote" and "I wonder what happens if I vote you here". There's also "this vote is literally for laughs" but that category is generally really obvs.

Can see how ppl are getting to wolfy falcon off of that.

ok thanks. I can see how he gets to "one of falcon, seanzie, samusamu is a wolf". Seems like that's a fairly reasonable stance to take. Not thrilled with his "don't want to hit wrong" take tho, it's still early.
His second post you quote is meh to me. Can grok why you don't like it.
Third post is a throw-away in my book.

I guess I get what concerns you, so thanks, I appreciate it.

I can't speak for DoO, but I assume it's the latter.
I do think that's more of a townie mindset for her though. I don't disagree with the points you're making about her *in general*, but I don't think they apply to DoO.

tbh I want to wolf read her for it. mostly b/c I've done what she's doing as wolf, and I've had it done to me. It's kinda effective b/c as long as you're not crossing the line from "annoyed and responding with snark and sarcasm" into "actually insulting people" it gets people who sus you to back off.

Outside of her interactions with me/Gavial what's your take on DoO? I know my read on her is currently clouded by my recent interactions.

You "want" to wolf read her? Are you wolf reading her, or no?

I wolf read AtE

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

spicy
why are they top scum?

Seanzie & Gavial are top scum for me.


[VOTE: VOTE SEANZIE] aubergine

spicy
why are they top scum?

Both of their reactions to Samu & I

Care to elaborate?

I found his approach to Samu's & I the most opphrtunistic

I'm taking sean out of my townreads. I was just reading through those posts again and I agree with this.

He didn't have a lot of conviction and I think it's because he was looking for an easy way to back out of the read.

soooo lets just murder seanz then
[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

For anyone interested, here is HK's progression on sean up to his vote for sean

@hollowkatt what do you find scummy about sean?

Why aren't you voting sean?

Because I moved my vote to Gavial.

Could you please explain what you find scummy about sean.

I don't think he's town. As in I don't think he's doing town things. I don't see him making any kinds of pushes other than on people who suspect him. I'm not seeing independent solving from him, and I think he's functioning basically on omgus logic. I don't perceive him as low skill so omgus logic isn't a good look there.
I can't point to anything specific that says "hay guys this is a wolf look here" but i can point to a whole lot of "eh"

[Seanzie]

Pretty sure Hollowkatt/Esooa is a thing, and Hollowkatt just slipped. They probably planned to flip to me in wolf chat, and Hollowkatt forgot what order it went in.

Where's the slip? I missed it

I mentioned that HK and Esooa both jumped on my wagon even though neither have mentioned me at all all day, and Marmot mentioned that HK looked like he could have been trying to get a wagon going on me, and HK said he jumped on the wagon after Esooa and you, but Esooa didn't join the wagon until LAST. Why would HK think Esooa was on there before him?

[hollowkatt]

kinda dumb that the only reason I got for seanzie being the lead wagon is that he's "kinda" scummy. like wtf is that.

what do you want from D1? giant neon sign like this?

[hollowkatt]

Pretty sure Hollowkatt/Esooa is a thing, and Hollowkatt just slipped. They probably planned to flip to me in wolf chat, and Hollowkatt forgot what order it went in.

Where's the slip? I missed it

I mentioned that HK and Esooa both jumped on my wagon even though neither have mentioned me at all all day, and Marmot mentioned that HK looked like he could have been trying to get a wagon going on me, and HK said he jumped on the wagon after Esooa and you, but Esooa didn't join the wagon until LAST. Why would HK think Esooa was on there before him?

poll order lol

[BoKnows]

kinda dumb that the only reason I got for seanzie being the lead wagon is that he's "kinda" scummy. like wtf is that.

what do you want from D1? giant neon sign like this?

Actual reasons

[Gavial]

Falcon is the best yeet informational wise I believe.

What are you going to learn when I flip green?

Urist becomes more likely town
Alison becomes more likely scum
Mafia didn’t seem to care at all about your slot but didn’t bother to want you to be the yeet at the same time meaning probably people on your wagon is town, but I guess that could be either way.

Probably more I’d just need to think of it.

[Samusamu]

Well i wanna kill long con.

If there is a scum well sited without doing a thing is he.

Who is in that wagon. I promise the glory.

[Esooa]

Pretty sure Hollowkatt/Esooa is a thing, and Hollowkatt just slipped. They probably planned to flip to me in wolf chat, and Hollowkatt forgot what order it went in.

Where's the slip? I missed it

I mentioned that HK and Esooa both jumped on my wagon even though neither have mentioned me at all all day, and Marmot mentioned that HK looked like he could have been trying to get a wagon going on me, and HK said he jumped on the wagon after Esooa and you, but Esooa didn't join the wagon until LAST. Why would HK think Esooa was on there before him?

this is extremely weak and if out of 15 pages of posts your EoD contribution is pushing two people because one person made a single contradicting statement in going to lynch you without a second thought

[hollowkatt]

kinda dumb that the only reason I got for seanzie being the lead wagon is that he's "kinda" scummy. like wtf is that.

what do you want from D1? giant neon sign like this?

Actual reasons

is: fairly vapid iso a good enough reason for you?

[BoKnows]

HK has lost my townread

[Esooa]

I just finished falcons iso

I town lean him and probably won't be voting there

[Seanzie]

Looking at HK's ISO, his read progressions today have bee crap:

If this is scum theatre this is the best I’ve ever seen.

Spoiler: show

That hasn’t been done by me.

I find this hard to believe. I don't think there was anything special about Marmot's interaction with me. I think you are just pulling up random posts and slapping some semi-defensible comment on them to look solvey.

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

funny, I was gonna call him town lol

why not take votes seriously though?

I mean, votes should always be considered for their meaning. I think the word "serious" isn't quite right. Samu's vote didn't look at all like it was meant to contribute to a TK of Falcon, and rarely are early D1 votes meant in that way. Instead they are more used to generate content and reactions. Samu naked voted Falcon, and then when pressed, asked Falcon what he thinks of that. That vote looks "non-serious" to be in the sense that I don't really think Samu was thinking about TKing Falcon there. If Samu is town, it was a reaction test, and if he is scum, I don't think he would cast a vote meant to stay there this early in D1.

Doing reaction tests like that IMO is >rand town, and Falcon taking the vote seriously enough to OMGUS Samu I think is >rand scum.

basically there's a difference between "I intend to kill you with this vote" and "I wonder what happens if I vote you here". There's also "this vote is literally for laughs" but that category is generally really obvs.

Can see how ppl are getting to wolfy falcon off of that.

So here he expresses a townread of Gavial, and doesn't directly express a scumread of Falcon, seems to agree that there could be reason to see Falcon as a wolf, but then all the sudden...

ok thanks. I can see how he gets to "one of falcon, seanzie, samusamu is a wolf". Seems like that's a fairly reasonable stance to take. Not thrilled with his "don't want to hit wrong" take tho, it's still early.
His second post you quote is meh to me. Can grok why you don't like it.
Third post is a throw-away in my book.

I guess I get what concerns you, so thanks, I appreciate it.

Yeah, but here's the thing...he's called out D1 voting and early play already as not being something to build legit reads on, right?


So why is he taking these early interactions so seriously himself and framing it "1 of these 3 is Maf"? Seems contradictory to his earlier stance, no?


His "don't wanna hit wrong" is total bullshit, that is not a townie mindset at all.


Pffft, real town obviously never wanna hit wrong, but its D1! Nobody is close to getting hit yet, and even if we were...its D1, hitting wrong happens.


He def seems a flame fanner fo sho.

fuck it I'm in [VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

No progression or anything, all the sudden voting Gavial, who he had just expressed a townread on! Then he doesn't really give an updated read, but has some conversations with DoO, which look like he is trying to get DoO to townread Gavial, but HK ends up scumreading DoO at the end, and then...

If you are being serious, work on your ability to analyze the game

Is this directed at anyone in particular or do you just kinda think everyone who isn't you is shite?

I can't speak for DoO, but I assume it's the latter.
I do think that's more of a townie mindset for her though. I don't disagree with the points you're making about her *in general*, but I don't think they apply to DoO.

tbh I want to wolf read her for it. mostly b/c I've done what she's doing as wolf, and I've had it done to me. It's kinda effective b/c as long as you're not crossing the line from "annoyed and responding with snark and sarcasm" into "actually insulting people" it gets people who sus you to back off.

Outside of her interactions with me/Gavial what's your take on DoO? I know my read on her is currently clouded by my recent interactions.

I think I've answered this but lmk. Hoping we can get on the same page this game and not have a repeat of mtg.
Do you still think Gharial is scum?

nah, I don't think he's scum.

HK, care to explain your progression on Gavial? What changed from your initial townread to when you voted him? and what changed again between then and when you stopped thinking he was scum?

[Gavial]

Fairly confident their the designated ML right now

you think Falcon is a better hit than Seanz then? Sell me on why Falcon

Falcon starts the day with “flavourless” and Samu fight.
Falcon convinces you to vote me but doesn’t bother voting me themselves until later.
Falcon’s excuse of me and Sean being scum resolves around something that happened before that Falcon hadn’t really mentioned up on till now like he was trying to reach for a reason.
Falcon’s also hasn’t been genuine at all, feels more like just doing whatever he seems for.

[Gavial]

Fit*

[Gavial]

kinda dumb that the only reason I got for seanzie being the lead wagon is that he's "kinda" scummy. like wtf is that.

So you also agree with me it’s dumb yet your voting me over Falcon?

[Gavial]

kinda dumb that the only reason I got for seanzie being the lead wagon is that he's "kinda" scummy. like wtf is that.

what do you want from D1? giant neon sign like this?

IDK about you, but I want a scum yeeted not rush into the night.

[Esooa]

I have a town read on long con