Beelzebub The Benign scum win

[BoKnows]

Yeah I'm sorry Falcon is sus and I'm not there on Seanzie...

[/vote]FALCON[VOTE: ] aubergine

[BoKnows]

I hope Falcon is red.

[Gavial]

kinda dumb that the only reason I got for seanzie being the lead wagon is that he's "kinda" scummy. like wtf is that.

what do you want from D1? giant neon sign like this?

Well i wanna kill long con.

If there is a scum well sited without doing a thing is he.

Who is in that wagon. I promise the glory.

LC been sitting and comfy on their vote.

[Gavial]

Only one still voting you Samu is LC.

[Gavial]

If Marmot CFD’s Sean over Falcon.

BK prob Town and Falcon/Marmot/Urist team seem likely.

[Esooa]

I wanna kill the zero poster

[Seanzie]

Pretty sure Hollowkatt/Esooa is a thing, and Hollowkatt just slipped. They probably planned to flip to me in wolf chat, and Hollowkatt forgot what order it went in.

Where's the slip? I missed it

I mentioned that HK and Esooa both jumped on my wagon even though neither have mentioned me at all all day, and Marmot mentioned that HK looked like he could have been trying to get a wagon going on me, and HK said he jumped on the wagon after Esooa and you, but Esooa didn't join the wagon until LAST. Why would HK think Esooa was on there before him?

this is extremely weak and if out of 15 pages of posts your EoD contribution is pushing two people because one person made a single contradicting statement in going to lynch you without a second thought

You've been secret-voting all day long, and then jump on my wagon even though I wasn't in your scumreads and you haven't said anything about me all day, and you're complaining about my EoD contribution?

Your vote was opportunistic at best, and my wagon going from one vote to 4 votes almost immediately, then HK slipping up right afterwards looks super suspicious. Besides, if you were paying attention, there were plenty of other things that have pinged me about HK. He's had a few towny moments, but also so weird things, like when he "wanted" to scumread DoO. No townie "wants" to scumread someone, they either scumread them or they don't. Why would you "want" to?

[Gavial]

I have a town read on long con

For no reason whatsoever and you never stated it up on till now.

Nice! Thanks for making me doubt your slot more!

[Gavial]

Elaborate plz.

[Marmot]

If Marmot CFD’s Sean over Falcon.

BK prob Town and Falcon/Marmot/Urist team seem likely.

[VOTE: hollowkat] aubergine

I feel far more confident that he's scum than sean at this point.

[Gavial]

I wanna kill the zero poster

I wanna throw in a good player to replace them.

[Esooa]

I'm probably only voting bk or the zero poster but let me read some more ISOs

maybe seanzie if he annoys me more

[BoKnows]

If Marmot CFD’s Sean over Falcon.

BK prob Town and Falcon/Marmot/Urist team seem likely.

[VOTE: hollowkat] aubergine

I feel far more confident that he's scum than sean at this point.

I am also considering voting HK.

[Gavial]

If Marmot CFD’s Sean over Falcon.

BK prob Town and Falcon/Marmot/Urist team seem likely.

[VOTE: hollowkat] aubergine

I feel far more confident that he's scum than sean at this point.

IDK, IMO Hollow was the most Townie at the beginning of the day.

[Esooa]

Pretty sure Hollowkatt/Esooa is a thing, and Hollowkatt just slipped. They probably planned to flip to me in wolf chat, and Hollowkatt forgot what order it went in.

Where's the slip? I missed it

I mentioned that HK and Esooa both jumped on my wagon even though neither have mentioned me at all all day, and Marmot mentioned that HK looked like he could have been trying to get a wagon going on me, and HK said he jumped on the wagon after Esooa and you, but Esooa didn't join the wagon until LAST. Why would HK think Esooa was on there before him?

this is extremely weak and if out of 15 pages of posts your EoD contribution is pushing two people because one person made a single contradicting statement in going to lynch you without a second thought

You've been secret-voting all day long, and then jump on my wagon even though I wasn't in your scumreads and you haven't said anything about me all day, and you're complaining about my EoD contribution?

Your vote was opportunistic at best, and my wagon going from one vote to 4 votes almost immediately, then HK slipping up right afterwards looks super suspicious. Besides, if you were paying attention, there were plenty of other things that have pinged me about HK. He's had a few towny moments, but also so weird things, like when he "wanted" to scumread DoO. No townie "wants" to scumread someone, they either scumread them or they don't. Why would you "want" to?

I don't really give a fuck what you think about my secret voting lol

also hk responded as to why he wanted to scum read it and it's perfectly reasonable so my bad for thinking you updated your read there

[Gavial]

I'm probably only voting bk or the zero poster but let me read some more ISOs

maybe seanzie if he annoys me more

Didn’t you SR Falcon?

[Samusamu]

Well not lc wagon, now i prefer hollow than falcon i can explain to many things knowing he is newbie.

[BoKnows]

my read list is broken

[Marmot]

If Marmot CFD’s Sean over Falcon.

BK prob Town and Falcon/Marmot/Urist team seem likely.

[VOTE: hollowkat] aubergine

I feel far more confident that he's scum than sean at this point.

IDK, IMO Hollow was the most Townie at the beginning of the day.

What about now? Sean and I have both brought up his read progressions this game in the last page or so.

[Samusamu]

[VOTE: hollow] aubergine

[BoKnows]

[VOTE: Hollow] aubergine

[Esooa]

I have a town read on long con

For no reason whatsoever and you never stated it up on till now.

Nice! Thanks for making me doubt your slot more!

yes because I just read his ISO and then town read him

I'm on mobile at work I'm not gonna elaborate every read. Or even most so idk why that's a problem. His interactions are towny, especially posts like "I'm going to put all my chips on the table and say samu/Alison are the mafia"

I disagree with the read but I can see why he makes it, and I think his approach to the read was town

[Esooa]

I'm probably only voting bk or the zero poster but let me read some more ISOs

maybe seanzie if he annoys me more

Didn’t you SR Falcon?

I changed my mind

[BoKnows]

I'm town reading everyone on Hollow's wagon. Someone might be tricking me.

[Esooa]

Well not lc wagon, now i prefer hollow than falcon i can explain to many things knowing he is newbie.

falcon isn't actually new

[Marmot]

@Alison @TonyStarkPrime @JessieKruger please come vote.

[Samusamu]

Well not lc wagon, now i prefer hollow than falcon i can explain to many things knowing he is newbie.

falcon isn't actually new

Didnt he say 2 games or i missread something?

[Esooa]

Well not lc wagon, now i prefer hollow than falcon i can explain to many things knowing he is newbie.

falcon isn't actually new

Didnt he say 2 games or i missread something?

he said that. Presumably joking cause it's not true

[falcon45ca]

I was joking, it's not true.



I've actually played 4 times

[Samusamu]

I was joking, it's not true.



I've actually played 4 times

My vote on you can go again if u are lying

[Marmot]

falcon is also the fastest ISOer in the west

[Marmot]

Legend has it he can read a 200-post iso in under 30 seconds.

[falcon45ca]

Legend has it he can read a 200-post iso in under 30 seconds.

It was a 200 post ISO with a 300 word count IIRC

[BoKnows]

Legend has it he can read a 200-post iso in under 30 seconds.

where can I learn this power?

[falcon45ca]

And it took me 10 mins to do 3 ISO's, but one of em' only had like 16 posts

[hollowkatt]

Looking at HK's ISO, his read progressions today have bee crap:

If this is scum theatre this is the best I’ve ever seen.

Spoiler: show

That hasn’t been done by me.

I find this hard to believe. I don't think there was anything special about Marmot's interaction with me. I think you are just pulling up random posts and slapping some semi-defensible comment on them to look solvey.

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

funny, I was gonna call him town lol

why not take votes seriously though?

I mean, votes should always be considered for their meaning. I think the word "serious" isn't quite right. Samu's vote didn't look at all like it was meant to contribute to a TK of Falcon, and rarely are early D1 votes meant in that way. Instead they are more used to generate content and reactions. Samu naked voted Falcon, and then when pressed, asked Falcon what he thinks of that. That vote looks "non-serious" to be in the sense that I don't really think Samu was thinking about TKing Falcon there. If Samu is town, it was a reaction test, and if he is scum, I don't think he would cast a vote meant to stay there this early in D1.

Doing reaction tests like that IMO is >rand town, and Falcon taking the vote seriously enough to OMGUS Samu I think is >rand scum.

basically there's a difference between "I intend to kill you with this vote" and "I wonder what happens if I vote you here". There's also "this vote is literally for laughs" but that category is generally really obvs.

Can see how ppl are getting to wolfy falcon off of that.

So here he expresses a townread of Gavial, and doesn't directly express a scumread of Falcon, seems to agree that there could be reason to see Falcon as a wolf, but then all the sudden...

ok thanks. I can see how he gets to "one of falcon, seanzie, samusamu is a wolf". Seems like that's a fairly reasonable stance to take. Not thrilled with his "don't want to hit wrong" take tho, it's still early.
His second post you quote is meh to me. Can grok why you don't like it.
Third post is a throw-away in my book.

I guess I get what concerns you, so thanks, I appreciate it.

Yeah, but here's the thing...he's called out D1 voting and early play already as not being something to build legit reads on, right?


So why is he taking these early interactions so seriously himself and framing it "1 of these 3 is Maf"? Seems contradictory to his earlier stance, no?


His "don't wanna hit wrong" is total bullshit, that is not a townie mindset at all.


Pffft, real town obviously never wanna hit wrong, but its D1! Nobody is close to getting hit yet, and even if we were...its D1, hitting wrong happens.


He def seems a flame fanner fo sho.

fuck it I'm in [VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

No progression or anything, all the sudden voting Gavial, who he had just expressed a townread on! Then he doesn't really give an updated read, but has some conversations with DoO, which look like he is trying to get DoO to townread Gavial, but HK ends up scumreading DoO at the end, and then...

If you are being serious, work on your ability to analyze the game

Is this directed at anyone in particular or do you just kinda think everyone who isn't you is shite?

I can't speak for DoO, but I assume it's the latter.
I do think that's more of a townie mindset for her though. I don't disagree with the points you're making about her *in general*, but I don't think they apply to DoO.

tbh I want to wolf read her for it. mostly b/c I've done what she's doing as wolf, and I've had it done to me. It's kinda effective b/c as long as you're not crossing the line from "annoyed and responding with snark and sarcasm" into "actually insulting people" it gets people who sus you to back off.

Outside of her interactions with me/Gavial what's your take on DoO? I know my read on her is currently clouded by my recent interactions.

I think I've answered this but lmk. Hoping we can get on the same page this game and not have a repeat of mtg.
Do you still think Gharial is scum?

nah, I don't think he's scum.

HK, care to explain your progression on Gavial? What changed from your initial townread to when you voted him? and what changed again between then and when you stopped thinking he was scum?

I started out liking how Gavial was approaching the thread. I then thought Falcon made a reasonable point and wanted to see what would happen if I voted there. He kept working and kept posting and kept trying to solve even with some pressure and I liked that, so I went back to town reading him.

I think probably Gavial and Falcon are townies

[falcon45ca]

Legend has it he can read a 200-post iso in under 30 seconds.

where can I learn this power?

Its easy, you just have to skim the ISO

[hollowkatt]

kinda dumb that the only reason I got for seanzie being the lead wagon is that he's "kinda" scummy. like wtf is that.

what do you want from D1? giant neon sign like this?

IDK about you, but I want a scum yeeted not rush into the night.

My point was that without someone clearly howling "kinda scummy' is good enough for D1.
Do you disagree?

[hollowkatt]

kinda dumb that the only reason I got for seanzie being the lead wagon is that he's "kinda" scummy. like wtf is that.

what do you want from D1? giant neon sign like this?

Well i wanna kill long con.

If there is a scum well sited without doing a thing is he.

Who is in that wagon. I promise the glory.

LC been sitting and comfy on their vote.

Are you saying LC is the howling wolf?

[BoKnows]

Legend has it he can read a 200-post iso in under 30 seconds.

where can I learn this power?

Its easy, you just have to skim the ISO

I can read a 400 post iso in 5 seconds

[hollowkatt]

Pretty sure Hollowkatt/Esooa is a thing, and Hollowkatt just slipped. They probably planned to flip to me in wolf chat, and Hollowkatt forgot what order it went in.

Where's the slip? I missed it

I mentioned that HK and Esooa both jumped on my wagon even though neither have mentioned me at all all day, and Marmot mentioned that HK looked like he could have been trying to get a wagon going on me, and HK said he jumped on the wagon after Esooa and you, but Esooa didn't join the wagon until LAST. Why would HK think Esooa was on there before him?

this is extremely weak and if out of 15 pages of posts your EoD contribution is pushing two people because one person made a single contradicting statement in going to lynch you without a second thought

You've been secret-voting all day long, and then jump on my wagon even though I wasn't in your scumreads and you haven't said anything about me all day, and you're complaining about my EoD contribution?

Your vote was opportunistic at best, and my wagon going from one vote to 4 votes almost immediately, then HK slipping up right afterwards looks super suspicious. Besides, if you were paying attention, there were plenty of other things that have pinged me about HK. He's had a few towny moments, but also so weird things, like when he "wanted" to scumread DoO. No townie "wants" to scumread someone, they either scumread them or they don't. Why would you "want" to?

I was crystal clear I wanted to wolf read DoO for the AtE and being pissy. I hate that kind of thing and wolf read it on sight. Baring that I think she's been ok..

[hollowkatt]

I'm probably only voting bk or the zero poster but let me read some more ISOs

maybe seanzie if he annoys me more

Seanzie is the way

[Samusamu]

kinda dumb that the only reason I got for seanzie being the lead wagon is that he's "kinda" scummy. like wtf is that.

what do you want from D1? giant neon sign like this?

Well i wanna kill long con.

If there is a scum well sited without doing a thing is he.

Who is in that wagon. I promise the glory.

LC been sitting and comfy on their vote.

Are you saying LC is the howling wolf?

Prob, also want to know how other see that wagon

[hollowkatt]

kinda dumb that the only reason I got for seanzie being the lead wagon is that he's "kinda" scummy. like wtf is that.

what do you want from D1? giant neon sign like this?

Well i wanna kill long con.

If there is a scum well sited without doing a thing is he.

Who is in that wagon. I promise the glory.

LC been sitting and comfy on their vote.

Are you saying LC is the howling wolf?

Prob, also want to know how other see that wagon

I have zero thoughts or opinions on LC

[Samusamu]

kinda dumb that the only reason I got for seanzie being the lead wagon is that he's "kinda" scummy. like wtf is that.

what do you want from D1? giant neon sign like this?

Well i wanna kill long con.

If there is a scum well sited without doing a thing is he.

Who is in that wagon. I promise the glory.

LC been sitting and comfy on their vote.

Are you saying LC is the howling wolf?

Prob, also want to know how other see that wagon

I have zero thoughts or opinions on LC

Okey, u want to share something else?

[Seanzie]

kinda dumb that the only reason I got for seanzie being the lead wagon is that he's "kinda" scummy. like wtf is that.

what do you want from D1? giant neon sign like this?

Well i wanna kill long con.

If there is a scum well sited without doing a thing is he.

Who is in that wagon. I promise the glory.

LC been sitting and comfy on their vote.

Are you saying LC is the howling wolf?

Prob, also want to know how other see that wagon

Why do you think LC is wolf?

[Marmot]

Pretty sure Hollowkatt/Esooa is a thing, and Hollowkatt just slipped. They probably planned to flip to me in wolf chat, and Hollowkatt forgot what order it went in.

Where's the slip? I missed it

I mentioned that HK and Esooa both jumped on my wagon even though neither have mentioned me at all all day, and Marmot mentioned that HK looked like he could have been trying to get a wagon going on me, and HK said he jumped on the wagon after Esooa and you, but Esooa didn't join the wagon until LAST. Why would HK think Esooa was on there before him?

this is extremely weak and if out of 15 pages of posts your EoD contribution is pushing two people because one person made a single contradicting statement in going to lynch you without a second thought

You've been secret-voting all day long, and then jump on my wagon even though I wasn't in your scumreads and you haven't said anything about me all day, and you're complaining about my EoD contribution?

Your vote was opportunistic at best, and my wagon going from one vote to 4 votes almost immediately, then HK slipping up right afterwards looks super suspicious. Besides, if you were paying attention, there were plenty of other things that have pinged me about HK. He's had a few towny moments, but also so weird things, like when he "wanted" to scumread DoO. No townie "wants" to scumread someone, they either scumread them or they don't. Why would you "want" to?

I was crystal clear I wanted to wolf read DoO for the AtE and being pissy. I hate that kind of thing and wolf read it on sight. Baring that I think she's been ok..

Do you typically wolf-read AtE?

I did a quick browse through GoC and MTG Mafia (two of your recent town games), and didn't see any mention of AtE in either. I don't know you as a player very well, but my current thought it that it's an easy meta-based read to fake.

[hollowkatt]

kinda dumb that the only reason I got for seanzie being the lead wagon is that he's "kinda" scummy. like wtf is that.

what do you want from D1? giant neon sign like this?

Well i wanna kill long con.

If there is a scum well sited without doing a thing is he.

Who is in that wagon. I promise the glory.

LC been sitting and comfy on their vote.

Are you saying LC is the howling wolf?

Prob, also want to know how other see that wagon

I have zero thoughts or opinions on LC

Okey, u want to share something else?

Sure, there's a wolf on my wagon.
I also think esooa/gavial/marmot/falcon/samu aren't wolves.
leaning town on DoO. Dunno on Alison/Bo/TSP/Urist/LC
also, who tf is JessieKruger?

[Samusamu]

kinda dumb that the only reason I got for seanzie being the lead wagon is that he's "kinda" scummy. like wtf is that.

what do you want from D1? giant neon sign like this?

Well i wanna kill long con.

If there is a scum well sited without doing a thing is he.

Who is in that wagon. I promise the glory.

LC been sitting and comfy on their vote.

Are you saying LC is the howling wolf?

Prob, also want to know how other see that wagon

Why do you think LC is wolf?

Well, i think that if there is a wolf who has placed his vote Without arousing suspicion, who has no need to expose himself in this eod and who tomorrow may come to tell us a totally different narrative is lc.

So I didn't want to waste the opportunity to see how others react to hint at his Lynch.

[Samusamu]

Well the lc wagon is still in offer.