Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

[Esooa]

Sighs

I'm reasonably sure esooa lied about her protection thing to keep mich alive

@Esooa correct me if im wrong

I have a 2 shot ability which role blocks my target and everyone who targets them. One of the times I use it, I can not roleblock the person I target. That + what I said earlier about not being able to be voted/killed in any way, and not being able to vote, is my full claim

[Esooa]

I used the one shot thing on Alison night 1 cause I wanted to protect her. I didn't want to role block her in case she had an important action. I wanted to protect michelle so I claimed my ability, but left out the one shot part, so that mafia would just assume I'd protect her, but I didn't use my ability the night I said that stuff at all. Cause it's only 2 shot and I didn't want to role block Michelle

[Long Con]

If your claim were real, and you were town, you would have let the wolves try to kill you to save town lives.

You didn't, therefore you are a wolf.

Case closed.

[Esooa]

QED

[Strawhenge]

You're describing a tree stump with a 1-shot doctor and a 1-shot alien or whatever the hell it's called. That's utterly ridiculous, even in the mech hell we're living in. That, plus your anti-town attitude, is mindboggling if you're actually town.

[Esooa]

You're describing a tree stump with a 1-shot doctor and a 1-shot alien or whatever the hell it's called. That's utterly ridiculous, even in the mech hell we're living in. That, plus your anti-town attitude, is mindboggling if you're actually town.

then vote me. I've already said I don't give a fuck so stop trying to talk to me about it. That is my claim, my claim is true, if you don't believe it that is YOUR problem, not mine. I'm not responsible for you deciding, for no reason, to not believe a claim

[Michelle]

Esooa can you link your last villa and scum games?

[Long Con]

You're describing a tree stump with a 1-shot doctor and a 1-shot alien or whatever the hell it's called. That's utterly ridiculous, even in the mech hell we're living in. That, plus your anti-town attitude, is mindboggling if you're actually town.

My mind ain't bogglin'.

[Long Con]

I'm happy to yeet all the people complaining about not fucking caring about the game. I better not see their names in the next signups.

[BoKnows]

I can't wrap my head around a player being unable to die.

[Long Con]

I can't wrap my head around a player being unable to die.

We'll be Doubting Thomases together. Down with faith, up with miniskirts!

[BoKnows]

[VOTE: Esooa] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

This game is slowly killing me

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@Alison please out lou solversons full role

[Esooa]

This game is slowly killing me

yeah I know

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Thats my role in case it isn't obvious

[Esooa]

why are Hally/Spf voting fingersplints/KZA?

I'm pretty sure SPF and KZA are both town. Idk about fingersplints

[KZA]

Lou and Ben are not troopers

[KZA]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

How are they not

The flavor of this game has ceased to make sense to me

[KZA]

How are they not

The flavor of this game has ceased to make sense to me

Lou is a deputy

Ben is a detective

[BoKnows]

are troopers just state troopers?

[falcon45ca]

Lou and Ben are not troopers

Should we start sorting the POE based off character flavours?

[Michelle]

We should start Poe-ing people based on play first.
If you think Nova would make a game who's breaking by claims, go ahead.
But I doubt it.

[Strawhenge]

How are they not

The flavor of this game has ceased to make sense to me

Lou is a deputy

Ben is a detective

I'm always wary of flavor-based suspicions. Do you think it's possible that nova blurred the definition of 'trooper' so a technical deputy and technical detective could fit into the game he designed?

[Oddmerta]

What do you think about team Longhenge here

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

How are they not

The flavor of this game has ceased to make sense to me

Lou is a deputy

Ben is a detective

This game is driving me insane

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If im not a trooper then I 100% believe there's a busdriver and buy that claim

Doesn't necessarily make them town but they exist

[Strawhenge]

What do you think about team Longhenge here

I'd say it'd be a pretty bold move of Scumhenge to ISO his teammate and keep him in his POE up until the present. Why, did you roll your dice again?

[Michelle]

Probably now is the moment where i have to admit that I know nothing about flavour

[fingersplints]

I haven’t been home much today. Trying to quickly catch up. The main point against Esooa is the speculation they are lying about their role, correct?
Best case scenario of an Esooa lynch would be catching a wolf, worst case scenario would be a wasted day if they are telling the truth they can’t be lynched.

[KZA]

How are they not

The flavor of this game has ceased to make sense to me

Lou is a deputy

Ben is a detective

I'm always wary of flavor-based suspicions. Do you think it's possible that nova blurred the definition of 'trooper' so a technical deputy and technical detective could fit into the game he designed?

Anything is possible. Only Alison knows all the troops for sure.

[Hally]

i think lunching esooa is kinda dumb

it seems like y’all are voting her more out of annoyance or incredulity at her claim than because there’s a legitimate reason to think she’s a wolf

[fingersplints]

Response to @Long Con

Spoiler: show

Just looking at fingersplints' ISO to see what I think.

1) Nanook JPIC
2) Long Con
3) Falcon

Nanook isn't fully clear in my mind. Is there a chance Nook is in the other team and has a vig shot?

I guess there is always a chance but it feels really unlikely to me. There has been a lot of kills each night, I feel like the town would need a kill to balance it out. Also, if nanook was wolf why would he go for Dom with his extra kill and not try to get one of the confirmed town? I’ve been leaning town on nanook for a while so I trust this

This might be a fingersplints wolf believing Nanook is truly town.

I’ve never seen a role that can’t be lynched, can’t be night killed, can’t vote, and can protect people. Seems unbelievably overpowered.

If fingersplints is a wolf, Esooa isn't on her team.

I need to read more thoroughly. These role mechanics are too confusing for me.

This games mechanics are just going over my head.

Maybe true, but the insistence upon appearing as this type of innocence feels a little like a wolfy shield.

@Sloonei

Speculating bad based on role and team just isn’t my thing unless there are obvious reasons for me to think it. My scum hunting tactics have always been quite unconventional in that manner. I used to play in games where you’d generally be given a list of all the roles from the host in the beginning, and people would find it odd because I wouldn’t read the roles for days. I remember one game where I got suspicion for not knowing the town win condition, but I was town
It’s why you’ll hear me say time and time again that I’m more comfortable in smaller games with more standard role mechanics, or I’ll play if I absolutely love the theme. This game was a bit of a weird one for me to choose because it ticks none of those things I just mentioned. If you want to know the actual reason, I mentioned it in signups https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 36#p756636


I’ve already said my thoughts haven’t changed, but let’s talk more
Anyways, I know you have disagreed with this take, but I still think TSP is Marmot’s teammate based on early comments made. Anything later on I think could have been attempts at distancing. It’s probably stubborn headless, but I can’t get over it.

I think some valid points have been made for the ted connection to marmot, so I could see this as another possibility. I don’t want to be accused of copying again, so I’m just being honest here that it’s in no way my idea but I think it’s got merit.

The rest on the last PoE I listed (al, LC, maybe Dom) have potential scummy behaviour that I don’t identify to any team. Dom’s still included here because he’s such a big question mark that I don’t want to forget about him and give him a free pass.

I know I still have some neutrals, but tbh I feel comfortable not having made up my mind on everyone yet. I don’t play like that. I have a few main suspects to focus on and that is enough for me. I am open minded enough to allow for thinking about others, but I don’t feel like I need to be pressured to decide about them now.

Debated on including this one just for the fact that she pushed on two townfolk here, because that happens. But I couldn't resist highlighting the small Player Salad she employed, yes, it is a real tell. Two town members and AL_sama, who's probably just on KC and not fingersplints' team, Gerhardt.

Also, she treated TSP as her personal suspicion project ALMOST to the exclusion of other suspicions until he died.

@Sloonei I love the
“Me:
Me”

section

I definitely agree with the talk that Falcon needs revisiting. I remember thinking they were town early on, but I’m not sure that it’s a good enough reason with the recent flip and their latest activity. (Changing votes while not wanting to answer why)

His lack of an explanation upon request is not a great look either.

If you had to crunch the game down into a 5-player pool of suspects, who would they be?

If I were to crunch the player list to the “least townie” 5 I’d probably end up with Al, Dom, LC, jpic, and maybe Falcon.
But I’m having a hard time picking just 5. Being wrong about tsp is making me question a lot. I still don’t have a great read on spf. I’m less confident on town lean for Bo. I don’t know if we can trust the claims for Odd and KZA. And what if I’m just stupid and wrong in my town read of nanook.

This time, she opted for the Large Player Salad.

Blah. Done with ISO. Suspicion rekindled. [VOTE: fingersplints] aubergine

You’ve been playing with me for a long time. You know better than anyone here that mechanics aren’t my thing. This game is very complicated. I can’t prove anything now with that other than saying you know better, so I’ll reiterate it after the game for good measure. Not much I can really say about this. Although I doubt I’ll ever play such a complicated game again, so it probably won’t come up as reason for suspicion. Kind of a lame response, but I think this is kind of a lame accusation anyways

Now to the “salad”...The large player salad is me listing five players directly replying to Sloonei asking for five players. I really can’t see how that is so incriminating. Maybe I don’t really understand the whole salad thing, because I don’t see how what you are accusing me of is any different then people having PoE. It’s just a group of suspects

Out of curiosity, how many players do you think are on each team?

[fingersplints]

Response to @Long Con

Spoiler: show

Just looking at fingersplints' ISO to see what I think.

1) Nanook JPIC
2) Long Con
3) Falcon

Nanook isn't fully clear in my mind. Is there a chance Nook is in the other team and has a vig shot?

I guess there is always a chance but it feels really unlikely to me. There has been a lot of kills each night, I feel like the town would need a kill to balance it out. Also, if nanook was wolf why would he go for Dom with his extra kill and not try to get one of the confirmed town? I’ve been leaning town on nanook for a while so I trust this

This might be a fingersplints wolf believing Nanook is truly town.

I’ve never seen a role that can’t be lynched, can’t be night killed, can’t vote, and can protect people. Seems unbelievably overpowered.

If fingersplints is a wolf, Esooa isn't on her team.

I need to read more thoroughly. These role mechanics are too confusing for me.

This games mechanics are just going over my head.

Maybe true, but the insistence upon appearing as this type of innocence feels a little like a wolfy shield.

@Sloonei

Speculating bad based on role and team just isn’t my thing unless there are obvious reasons for me to think it. My scum hunting tactics have always been quite unconventional in that manner. I used to play in games where you’d generally be given a list of all the roles from the host in the beginning, and people would find it odd because I wouldn’t read the roles for days. I remember one game where I got suspicion for not knowing the town win condition, but I was town
It’s why you’ll hear me say time and time again that I’m more comfortable in smaller games with more standard role mechanics, or I’ll play if I absolutely love the theme. This game was a bit of a weird one for me to choose because it ticks none of those things I just mentioned. If you want to know the actual reason, I mentioned it in signups https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 36#p756636


I’ve already said my thoughts haven’t changed, but let’s talk more
Anyways, I know you have disagreed with this take, but I still think TSP is Marmot’s teammate based on early comments made. Anything later on I think could have been attempts at distancing. It’s probably stubborn headless, but I can’t get over it.

I think some valid points have been made for the ted connection to marmot, so I could see this as another possibility. I don’t want to be accused of copying again, so I’m just being honest here that it’s in no way my idea but I think it’s got merit.

The rest on the last PoE I listed (al, LC, maybe Dom) have potential scummy behaviour that I don’t identify to any team. Dom’s still included here because he’s such a big question mark that I don’t want to forget about him and give him a free pass.

I know I still have some neutrals, but tbh I feel comfortable not having made up my mind on everyone yet. I don’t play like that. I have a few main suspects to focus on and that is enough for me. I am open minded enough to allow for thinking about others, but I don’t feel like I need to be pressured to decide about them now.

Debated on including this one just for the fact that she pushed on two townfolk here, because that happens. But I couldn't resist highlighting the small Player Salad she employed, yes, it is a real tell. Two town members and AL_sama, who's probably just on KC and not fingersplints' team, Gerhardt.

Also, she treated TSP as her personal suspicion project ALMOST to the exclusion of other suspicions until he died.

@Sloonei I love the
“Me:
Me”

section

I definitely agree with the talk that Falcon needs revisiting. I remember thinking they were town early on, but I’m not sure that it’s a good enough reason with the recent flip and their latest activity. (Changing votes while not wanting to answer why)

His lack of an explanation upon request is not a great look either.

If you had to crunch the game down into a 5-player pool of suspects, who would they be?

If I were to crunch the player list to the “least townie” 5 I’d probably end up with Al, Dom, LC, jpic, and maybe Falcon.
But I’m having a hard time picking just 5. Being wrong about tsp is making me question a lot. I still don’t have a great read on spf. I’m less confident on town lean for Bo. I don’t know if we can trust the claims for Odd and KZA. And what if I’m just stupid and wrong in my town read of nanook.

This time, she opted for the Large Player Salad.

Blah. Done with ISO. Suspicion rekindled. [VOTE: fingersplints] aubergine

You’ve been playing with me for a long time. You know better than anyone here that mechanics aren’t my thing. This game is very complicated. I can’t prove anything now with that other than saying you know better, so I’ll reiterate it after the game for good measure. Not much I can really say about this. Although I doubt I’ll ever play such a complicated game again, so it probably won’t come up as reason for suspicion. Kind of a lame response, but I think this is kind of a lame accusation anyways

Now to the “salad”...The large player salad is me listing five players directly replying to Sloonei asking for five players. I really can’t see how that is so incriminating. Maybe I don’t really understand the whole salad thing, because I don’t see how what you are accusing me of is any different then people having PoE. It’s just a group of suspects

Out of curiosity, how many players do you think are on each team?

[Hally]

do you really think a wolf just sits in the thread like “neener neener you can’t kill me!” and pretty much dares people to try to vote them out? that’s just dumb

i think the only way for esooa to be a wolf is if she’s a role like dom’s that has multiple lives

otherwise she just is what she says she is, and i believe that’s the case because of how she claimed and how she tried to give cover by saying she’d protect michelle (WHICH THE WOLVES CLEARLY BELIEVED OR ELSE MICHELLE WOULD BE DEAD) and how her claim makes perfect sense with her flavor

[falcon45ca]

do you really think a wolf just sits in the thread like “neener neener you can’t kill me!” and pretty much dares people to try to vote them out? that’s just dumb

i think the only way for esooa to be a wolf is if she’s a role like dom’s that has multiple lives

otherwise she just is what she says she is, and i believe that’s the case because of how she claimed and how she tried to give cover by saying she’d protect michelle (WHICH THE WOLVES CLEARLY BELIEVED OR ELSE MICHELLE WOULD BE DEAD) and how her claim makes perfect sense with her flavor

Look at the bright side, if we lynch Esooa & she's telling the truth, we don't lose a TP. If she's lying, we get a wolf. How can we lose???

[falcon45ca]

I guess I'll be the ole' man on the porch, yellin' at you young whipper snappers & your mechanics, & just do it old skool & lynch a red check

[KZA]

I can't imagine this vote changes. Nanook please kill someone who's actually in the POE

[Hally]

seriously guys, think about this

why is michelle still alive if esooa is a wolf?

esooa publicly said she was protecting michelle, the claimed cop who any wolf team would absolutely shoot, and then michelle didn’t die!

the only reason michelle wouldn’t be killed ASAP is because wolves believed esooa and thought they couldn’t kill michelle so they went for her peek ted instead

if esooa is a wolf she already knows she isn’t protecting michelle because she’s a wolf, so esooa would be free to kill michelle and michelle would already be dead

[Hally]

I guess I'll be the ole' man on the porch, yellin' at you young whipper snappers & your mechanics, & just do it old skool & lynch a red check

i don’t understand why you keep saying this. odd claimed to busdrive alison so michelle doesn’t actually have a check on alison as far as we know

framing this like “just kill the red check” is extremely simplistic

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I can't imagine this vote changes. Nanook please kill someone who's actually in the POE

Yes the very well defined POE

[BoKnows]

isn't odd just gonna switch the shot anyways

[Michelle]

seriously guys, think about this

why is michelle still alive if esooa is a wolf?

esooa publicly said she was protecting michelle, the claimed cop who any wolf team would absolutely shoot, and then michelle didn’t die!

the only reason michelle wouldn’t be killed ASAP is because wolves believed esooa and thought they couldn’t kill michelle so they went for her peek ted instead

if esooa is a wolf she already knows she isn’t protecting michelle because she’s a wolf, so esooa would be free to kill michelle and michelle would already be dead

I can see Esooa as wolf if her team had the possibility to mess up my claim, and this idea came to me after I saw Esooa claiming her N1 action.
Why did she give infos to wolves?

If you think Esooa is villager, who do you think is the best chop?

[Michelle]

Why is logic for town to have the role that Odd claimed?

[falcon45ca]

I guess I'll be the ole' man on the porch, yellin' at you young whipper snappers & your mechanics, & just do it old skool & lynch a red check

i don’t understand why you keep saying this. odd claimed to busdrive alison so michelle doesn’t actually have a check on alison as far as we know

framing this like “just kill the red check” is extremely simplistic

I think taking Odd at his word is extremely simplistic.

[KZA]

I can't imagine this vote changes. Nanook please kill someone who's actually in the POE

Yes the very well defined POE

good point

the POE somehow turned in to everyone except for Hally

[staypositivefriend]

i do not think that esooa is a good chop today, i think that her reaction is villagery and i think that she would probably choose to sac michelle as a wolf instead of keeping her alive for the sake of wifom

[staypositivefriend]

@Hally - who is a good chop today, in your opinion?

i agree that esooa is a bad idea but it seems like people are stretched fairly thin w/regards to their other options

[Oddmerta]

Strawhenge and Long Con are way too invested in this esooa chop