Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

[BoKnows]

Strawhenge and Long Con are way too invested in this esooa chop

Who do u reccommend?

[Oddmerta]

Strawhenge and Long Con are way too invested in this esooa chop

Who do u reccommend?

Strawhenge yeet would be pretty spicy

[BoKnows]

Strawhenge and Long Con are way too invested in this esooa chop

Who do u reccommend?

Strawhenge yeet would be pretty spicy

That would be spicy. Idk if I'm in the mood for spicy tonight. I wouldn't mind keeping it in my top 3 (JPIC, LC, and Falc).

[Long Con]

i think lunching esooa is kinda dumb

it seems like y’all are voting her more out of annoyance or incredulity at her claim than because there’s a legitimate reason to think she’s a wolf

Not really. I think the claim is fake, and is intended to prevent a) her yeet, and b) the other team trying to kill her. What part of that is not a brilliant idea to use as a wolf??

Response to @Long Con

Spoiler: show

Just looking at fingersplints' ISO to see what I think.

1) Nanook JPIC
2) Long Con
3) Falcon

Nanook isn't fully clear in my mind. Is there a chance Nook is in the other team and has a vig shot?

I guess there is always a chance but it feels really unlikely to me. There has been a lot of kills each night, I feel like the town would need a kill to balance it out. Also, if nanook was wolf why would he go for Dom with his extra kill and not try to get one of the confirmed town? I’ve been leaning town on nanook for a while so I trust this

This might be a fingersplints wolf believing Nanook is truly town.

I’ve never seen a role that can’t be lynched, can’t be night killed, can’t vote, and can protect people. Seems unbelievably overpowered.

If fingersplints is a wolf, Esooa isn't on her team.

I need to read more thoroughly. These role mechanics are too confusing for me.

This games mechanics are just going over my head.

Maybe true, but the insistence upon appearing as this type of innocence feels a little like a wolfy shield.

@Sloonei

Speculating bad based on role and team just isn’t my thing unless there are obvious reasons for me to think it. My scum hunting tactics have always been quite unconventional in that manner. I used to play in games where you’d generally be given a list of all the roles from the host in the beginning, and people would find it odd because I wouldn’t read the roles for days. I remember one game where I got suspicion for not knowing the town win condition, but I was town
It’s why you’ll hear me say time and time again that I’m more comfortable in smaller games with more standard role mechanics, or I’ll play if I absolutely love the theme. This game was a bit of a weird one for me to choose because it ticks none of those things I just mentioned. If you want to know the actual reason, I mentioned it in signups https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 36#p756636


I’ve already said my thoughts haven’t changed, but let’s talk more
Anyways, I know you have disagreed with this take, but I still think TSP is Marmot’s teammate based on early comments made. Anything later on I think could have been attempts at distancing. It’s probably stubborn headless, but I can’t get over it.

I think some valid points have been made for the ted connection to marmot, so I could see this as another possibility. I don’t want to be accused of copying again, so I’m just being honest here that it’s in no way my idea but I think it’s got merit.

The rest on the last PoE I listed (al, LC, maybe Dom) have potential scummy behaviour that I don’t identify to any team. Dom’s still included here because he’s such a big question mark that I don’t want to forget about him and give him a free pass.

I know I still have some neutrals, but tbh I feel comfortable not having made up my mind on everyone yet. I don’t play like that. I have a few main suspects to focus on and that is enough for me. I am open minded enough to allow for thinking about others, but I don’t feel like I need to be pressured to decide about them now.

Debated on including this one just for the fact that she pushed on two townfolk here, because that happens. But I couldn't resist highlighting the small Player Salad she employed, yes, it is a real tell. Two town members and AL_sama, who's probably just on KC and not fingersplints' team, Gerhardt.

Also, she treated TSP as her personal suspicion project ALMOST to the exclusion of other suspicions until he died.

@Sloonei I love the
“Me:
Me”

section

I definitely agree with the talk that Falcon needs revisiting. I remember thinking they were town early on, but I’m not sure that it’s a good enough reason with the recent flip and their latest activity. (Changing votes while not wanting to answer why)

His lack of an explanation upon request is not a great look either.

If you had to crunch the game down into a 5-player pool of suspects, who would they be?

If I were to crunch the player list to the “least townie” 5 I’d probably end up with Al, Dom, LC, jpic, and maybe Falcon.
But I’m having a hard time picking just 5. Being wrong about tsp is making me question a lot. I still don’t have a great read on spf. I’m less confident on town lean for Bo. I don’t know if we can trust the claims for Odd and KZA. And what if I’m just stupid and wrong in my town read of nanook.

This time, she opted for the Large Player Salad.

Blah. Done with ISO. Suspicion rekindled. [VOTE: fingersplints] aubergine

You’ve been playing with me for a long time. You know better than anyone here that mechanics aren’t my thing. This game is very complicated. I can’t prove anything now with that other than saying you know better, so I’ll reiterate it after the game for good measure. Not much I can really say about this. Although I doubt I’ll ever play such a complicated game again, so it probably won’t come up as reason for suspicion. Kind of a lame response, but I think this is kind of a lame accusation anyways

Now to the “salad”...The large player salad is me listing five players directly replying to Sloonei asking for five players. I really can’t see how that is so incriminating. Maybe I don’t really understand the whole salad thing, because I don’t see how what you are accusing me of is any different then people having PoE. It’s just a group of suspects

Out of curiosity, how many players do you think are on each team?

I think there are three on each team.

Salad formation includes the ", and maybe". That's an important part.

I don't care how much mechanics isn't your thing. I care how much you lean into that in order to parlay some towncred.

do you really think a wolf just sits in the thread like “neener neener you can’t kill me!” and pretty much dares people to try to vote them out? that’s just dumb

i think the only way for esooa to be a wolf is if she’s a role like dom’s that has multiple lives

otherwise she just is what she says she is, and i believe that’s the case because of how she claimed and how she tried to give cover by saying she’d protect michelle (WHICH THE WOLVES CLEARLY BELIEVED OR ELSE MICHELLE WOULD BE DEAD) and how her claim makes perfect sense with her flavor

Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe the other wolf team thought her claim was true, and her wolf team didn't kill Michelle because it would prove her claim false. I'm sure there are other reasonable reasons why that we could come up with with a little bit of analysis and thought.

I guess I'll be the ole' man on the porch, yellin' at you young whipper snappers & your mechanics, & just do it old skool & lynch a red check

This might be the best choice as well. The GoC vibes are getting stronger as Alison gets more detached.

seriously guys, think about this

why is michelle still alive if esooa is a wolf?

esooa publicly said she was protecting michelle, the claimed cop who any wolf team would absolutely shoot, and then michelle didn’t die!

the only reason michelle wouldn’t be killed ASAP is because wolves believed esooa and thought they couldn’t kill michelle so they went for her peek ted instead

if esooa is a wolf she already knows she isn’t protecting michelle because she’s a wolf, so esooa would be free to kill michelle and michelle would already be dead

Or Esooa left Michelle alive to try and take out the other team. Or maybe Esooa is on a team with a role that can mess with Michelle's checks, making her an asset to them.

[Alison]

It looks like Ben Schmidt should be a trooper from flavor yeah? Someone correct me if im wrong

There's no Trooper Schmidt.

[Long Con]

It looks like Ben Schmidt should be a trooper from flavor yeah? Someone correct me if im wrong

There's no Trooper Schmidt.

Is there a Trooper Lou Solverson?

[Alison]

@Alison please out lou solversons full role

You arent a trooper

[Michelle]

Strawhenge and Long Con are way too invested in this esooa chop

Who do u reccommend?

Strawhenge yeet would be pretty spicy

Sloonei TR Strawhenge iirc, so i disagree with your spicy take

[Alison]

Esooa's reaction seems townie enough.

The last two troopers are bowden and lutz

[Alison]

I agree that LC trying to get Esooa exed is scummy af

[KZA]

LC is mafia and sensed a chance to take over the thread. Vote him.

[Michelle]

LC is mafia and sensed a chance to take over the thread. Vote him.

Why do you TR Esooa? Why Esooa TRs you?

[BoKnows]

UNVOTE

[Alison]

LC is mafia and sensed a chance to take over the thread. Vote him.

seems about right, all townies are giving less of a fuck due to mech and he makes a big wall post asking us to vote town

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

[staypositivefriend]

something is incredibly off about this game but im having trouble putting my finger on what. something isn't right

[staypositivefriend]

i doubt that esooa is mafia but i'm also doubtful that long con is mafia as well (even though i would vote for long con over esooa at this point in the game) - i am mildly interested in pursuing a world where falcon/alison/strawhenge contains at least one wolf, because i think it does

[BoKnows]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Happy to vote within my PoE

[Long Con]

LOL bring it.

Everyone stops giving a fuck about the game, and when I try to get some fresh solving angles, it's scummy. Fine. I won't be sad to go from a game in this condition.

[staypositivefriend]

can everyone in this game please name their three strongest townreads, and their preferred chop option today?

[KZA]

LC is mafia and sensed a chance to take over the thread. Vote him.

Why do you TR Esooa? Why Esooa TRs you?

Shes was solving genuinely early on and I believe her claim. She has been lower on energy lately but so have a lot of people.

Esooa never reads me wrong so I guess she TRs me for meta/tonal reasons

[BoKnows]

1. Hally
2. Michelle
3. Alison

Preferred chop: Anyone in my pool of 3 (JPIC, LC, and falc).

[staypositivefriend]

1. Hally
2. Michelle
3. Alison

Preferred chop: Anyone in my pool of 3 (JPIC, LC, and falc).

which of those three do you think has the highest chance of being mafia?

[Long Con]

can everyone in this game please name their three strongest townreads, and their preferred chop option today?

Hally, Michelle, Nanook.

I'd prefer to chop Esooa based on her fake roleclaim. Or Alison, who is redchecked and is probably bad.

So many other fine choices to chop as well. KZA, fingersplints, Oddmerta, all look scummy.

Why do we trust JPIC? Because he did a track? Hell, I can track, what are the chances of two town trackers?

[KZA]

can everyone in this game please name their three strongest townreads, and their preferred chop option today?

Hally, Michelle, Nanook.

I'd prefer to chop Esooa based on her fake roleclaim. Or Alison, who is redchecked and is probably bad.

So many other fine choices to chop as well. KZA, fingersplints, Oddmerta, all look scummy.

Why do we trust JPIC? Because he did a track? Hell, I can track, what are the chances of two town trackers?

Well that's another wrench in the works huh

[BoKnows]

1. Hally
2. Michelle
3. Alison

Preferred chop: Anyone in my pool of 3 (JPIC, LC, and falc).

which of those three do you think has the highest chance of being mafia?

Long, he's been on my radar the longest out of the three.

[KZA]

@Long Con why are Alison and Esooa's claims fake but BK and Falcon's claims aren't

[Michelle]

No one answers at my question regarding Odd's role who also is not a towny one

[Long Con]

1. Hally
2. Michelle
3. Alison

Preferred chop: Anyone in my pool of 3 (JPIC, LC, and falc).

which of those three do you think has the highest chance of being mafia?

Long, he's been on my radar the longest out of the three.

Son, I've been on the radar for my entire Mafia career.

[KZA]

No one answers at my question regarding Odd's role who also is not a towny one

Town busdrivers exist

[Michelle]

LC if you can track, claim actions please

[Long Con]

Why is logic for town to have the role that Odd claimed?

Busdriver can be town or it can be wolf. I don't know any logic that says it should be town.

[Michelle]

No one answers at my question regarding Odd's role who also is not a towny one

Town busdrivers exist

Wasn't Sloonei a town busdriver?

[Long Con]

LC if you can track, claim actions please

My targets are already known. Alison night 1, Hally night 2. Failed both times.

[BoKnows]

1. Hally
2. Michelle
3. Alison

Preferred chop: Anyone in my pool of 3 (JPIC, LC, and falc).

which of those three do you think has the highest chance of being mafia?

Long, he's been on my radar the longest out of the three.

Son, I've been on the radar for my entire Mafia career.

[Long Con]

No one answers at my question regarding Odd's role who also is not a towny one

Town busdrivers exist

Wasn't Sloonei a town busdriver?

He was more of a forced bodyguard grabber kinda thing.

[Strawhenge]

Look, I'm happy to chop Long Con as well. As I've said, he's been in my POE for a while.

But @Alison and @Hally, y'all're gonna have to convince me how on Earth Esooa's reaction is townish. It was some of the most blatant scum behavior I've ever seen.

[Michelle]

LC if you can track, claim actions please

My targets are already known. Alison night 1, Hally night 2. Failed both times.

Wait, on Alison could fail because of Esooa's ability, but why failed on Hally?

[Long Con]

Look, I'm happy to chop Long Con as well. As I've said, he's been in my POE for a while.

But @Alison and @Hally, y'all're gonna have to convince me how on Earth Esooa's reaction is townish. It was some of the most blatant scum behavior I've ever seen.

Probably because they're both town and don't give a fuck about this game anymore, so they recognize the same behaviour in Esooa. On the other hand, trying is scummy.

[Long Con]

LC if you can track, claim actions please

My targets are already known. Alison night 1, Hally night 2. Failed both times.

Wait, on Alison could fail because of Esooa's ability, but why failed on Hally?

I would like to know that as well.

[Strawhenge]

can everyone in this game please name their three strongest townreads, and their preferred chop option today?

Strongest townreads: Alison, Hally, tie between Michelle and you (SPF)

Preferred choption: Tie between Esooa (scummy reactions today) and Long Con (game-long POE for me).

[Michelle]

No one answers at my question regarding Odd's role who also is not a towny one

Town busdrivers exist

Wasn't Sloonei a town busdriver?

He was more of a forced bodyguard grabber kinda thing.

Yes, but techically, even as passive and self bodyguard thing, the effect was like a busdriving, right?

[KZA]

why is LC just now CCing JPIC

[Michelle]

What JPIC claimed?

[BoKnows]

why is LC just now CCing JPIC

probably because he's on the block now

[staypositivefriend]

long con, could you claim the full details of your role?

[KZA]

I have a two shot vig i tried to shoot Dom

I can confirm this

can you confirm more details about your role? you might as well since the cat is out of the bag. how did you know that dom got hit? how did you link him to JPIC?

I tracked nook to Dom and it specifically told me what action was performed

@Michelle

[Long Con]

why is LC just now CCing JPIC

probably because he's on the block now

Actually, smart guy, I'm looking at other players and trying to see who could be a wolf. Maybe that's a reason JPIC could be one.

Don't flatter yourself into thinking that what you say about me or voting for me is going to change the way I'm playing for a second.

[Strawhenge]

Why do we trust JPIC? Because he did a track? Hell, I can track, what are the chances of two town trackers?

why is LC just now CCing JPIC

Holy farts, what. @Long Con, you're just bringing this up now? When did JPIC claim tracker, D2?!

I'm bout to reach back to 2009 and do the Oprah meme where I go, 'And you get a sirengif! And you get a sirengif!'

Anyone else wanna drop some classic scum behavior two hours before EOD?

[Long Con]

long con, could you claim the full details of your role?

Why?

[Long Con]

Why do we trust JPIC? Because he did a track? Hell, I can track, what are the chances of two town trackers?

why is LC just now CCing JPIC

Holy farts, what. @Long Con, you're just bringing this up now? When did JPIC claim tracker, D2?!

I'm bout to reach back to 2009 and do the Oprah meme where I go, 'And you get a sirengif! And you get a sirengif!'

Anyone else wanna drop some classic scum behavior two hours before EOD?

I'm sure our roles are different, they may just have one similar element. I think most roles have multiple things going on.