Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:34 am
but seriously, can we think about this?
we KNOW from lc that there’s a roleblocker. why didn’t they block michelle after she claimed?! why block lc?! are they a villager?
insanifier/redirector that they have perpetually camping at michelle's house would explain everything
they have no reason to block her because all her checks are bad
they have no reason to kill her because all her checks are bad
it would also explain why she red checked a dead villa, they didn't know who she was checking that day and messed up her night results, not knowing it would contradict the host flip and give away night result messing up
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:34 am
but seriously, can we think about this?
we KNOW from lc that there’s a roleblocker. why didn’t they block michelle after she claimed?! why block lc?! are they a villager?
insanifier/redirector that they have perpetually camping at michelle's house would explain everything
they have no reason to block her because all her checks are bad
they have no reason to kill her because all her checks are bad
it would also explain why she red checked a dead villa, they didn't know who she was checking that day and messed up her night results, not knowing it would contradict the host flip and give away night result messing up
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:09 am
w h y is michelle still alive and able to get off peeks
is there no rb? is there no redirect? no strongman?
what. is. going. on.
Dear Hally,
SPF claimed a save on me. Wolves tried to kill me because I looked not defendable and superkilled LC who they understood have a strong track /watch power.
If you are villager stop writing derailing ideas. If you are wolf, keep doing what you did all game.
Yours trully,
um, no. there are many things wrong with this post
1) we KNOW mafia has a strongman. who cares if spf saved you? if wolves wanted you dead they could strongman you and you’d be dead. why did they use their strongman on alison instead of you, the claimed cop? we don’t even know if you were the failed kill. nook claimed he saved me. it could have been me
2) mafia did not strongman lc. lc was busdriven with alison. they tried to strongman alison. WHY? why do they want alison dead so much but not you, the claimed cop? the only explanation if you’re a villager is that they aren’t scared of your checks
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:09 am
w h y is michelle still alive and able to get off peeks
is there no rb? is there no redirect? no strongman?
what. is. going. on.
Dear Hally,
SPF claimed a save on me. Wolves tried to kill me because I looked not defendable and superkilled LC who they understood have a strong track /watch power.
If you are villager stop writing derailing ideas. If you are wolf, keep doing what you did all game.
Yours trully,
um, no. there are many things wrong with this post
1) we KNOW mafia has a strongman. who cares if spf saved you? if wolves wanted you dead they could strongman you and you’d be dead. why did they use their strongman on alison instead of you, the claimed cop? we don’t even know if you were the failed kill. nook claimed he saved me. it could have been me
2) mafia did not strongman lc. lc was busdriven with alison. they tried to strongman alison. WHY? why do they want alison dead so much but not you, the claimed cop? the only explanation if you’re a villager is that they aren’t scared of your checks
Alison controlled Odd s busdriven action, so no, wolves wanted LC superkilled
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:49 am
I see normal from mafia Alison to discredit me btw
what, discredit your green check on odd? I have him as towncore since d1 when everyone hated him and he's still towncore for reasons unrelated to your check lol. I have no reason to go out of my way to discredit your cop checks
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:09 am
w h y is michelle still alive and able to get off peeks
is there no rb? is there no redirect? no strongman?
what. is. going. on.
Dear Hally,
SPF claimed a save on me. Wolves tried to kill me because I looked not defendable and superkilled LC who they understood have a strong track /watch power.
If you are villager stop writing derailing ideas. If you are wolf, keep doing what you did all game.
Yours trully,
um, no. there are many things wrong with this post
1) we KNOW mafia has a strongman. who cares if spf saved you? if wolves wanted you dead they could strongman you and you’d be dead. why did they use their strongman on alison instead of you, the claimed cop? we don’t even know if you were the failed kill. nook claimed he saved me. it could have been me
2) mafia did not strongman lc. lc was busdriven with alison. they tried to strongman alison. WHY? why do they want alison dead so much but not you, the claimed cop? the only explanation if you’re a villager is that they aren’t scared of your checks
Alison controlled Odd s busdriven action, so no, wolves wanted LC superkilled
what are you talking about? alison told odd to swap her with lc. he did. lc died. that means alison was the intended target of the kill unless you think odd is lying about his orders from alison. but you green checked him so obviously fypov he can’t be lying. so he did swap lc with alison and lc died, meaning wolves actually tried to kill alison
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:05 am
Who cares if SPF saved me you say Hally?
Openwolfing is interesting
it’s really incredible how stubborn you are. i’m laying out for you a good reason why you shouldn’t be trusting your checks and you call it open wolfing. okay, then explain why you weren’t strongmaned. explain why you weren’t roleblocked despite us knowing via flipped villager lc that there’s a roleblocker. explain why wolves are letting a claimed cop continue to get checks night after night so you can lock the game and ensure they lose. i don’t think you can because it’s ridiculous
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:49 am
I see normal from mafia Alison to discredit me btw
what, discredit your green check on odd? I have him as towncore since d1 when everyone hated him and he's still towncore for reasons unrelated to your check lol. I have no reason to go out of my way to discredit your cop checks
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:05 am
Who cares if SPF saved me you say Hally?
Openwolfing is interesting
it’s really incredible how stubborn you are. i’m laying out for you a good reason why you shouldn’t be trusting your checks and you call it open wolfing. okay, then explain why you weren’t strongmaned. explain why you weren’t roleblocked despite us knowing via flipped villager lc that there’s a roleblocker. explain why wolves are letting a claimed cop continue to get checks night after night so you can lock the game and ensure they lose. i don’t think you can because it’s ridiculous
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:09 am
w h y is michelle still alive and able to get off peeks
is there no rb? is there no redirect? no strongman?
what. is. going. on.
Dear Hally,
SPF claimed a save on me. Wolves tried to kill me because I looked not defendable and superkilled LC who they understood have a strong track /watch power.
If you are villager stop writing derailing ideas. If you are wolf, keep doing what you did all game.
Yours trully,
um, no. there are many things wrong with this post
1) we KNOW mafia has a strongman. who cares if spf saved you? if wolves wanted you dead they could strongman you and you’d be dead. why did they use their strongman on alison instead of you, the claimed cop? we don’t even know if you were the failed kill. nook claimed he saved me. it could have been me
2) mafia did not strongman lc. lc was busdriven with alison. they tried to strongman alison. WHY? why do they want alison dead so much but not you, the claimed cop? the only explanation if you’re a villager is that they aren’t scared of your checks
Alison controlled Odd s busdriven action, so no, wolves wanted LC superkilled
what are you talking about? alison told odd to swap her with lc. he did. lc died. that means alison was the intended target of the kill unless you think odd is lying about his orders from alison. but you green checked him so obviously fypov he can’t be lying. so he did swap lc with alison and lc died, meaning wolves actually tried to kill alison
Alison is in control with Odd's action. Odd did his part in good faith.
What I say is that it's a complete nonsense from wolves to let LC alive so they super killed him knowing that if they target Alison the one who dies is LC.
They didn't have a second super kill to target me.
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:05 am
Who cares if SPF saved me you say Hally?
Openwolfing is interesting
it’s really incredible how stubborn you are. i’m laying out for you a good reason why you shouldn’t be trusting your checks and you call it open wolfing. okay, then explain why you weren’t strongmaned. explain why you weren’t roleblocked despite us knowing via flipped villager lc that there’s a roleblocker. explain why wolves are letting a claimed cop continue to get checks night after night so you can lock the game and ensure they lose. i don’t think you can because it’s ridiculous
The failed kill explains a lot
again, no
we know there was a strongman in play last night and it wasn’t used on you. that means wolves don’t actually want to kill you or you’d be dead
also again, nook is claiming to have saved me so we don’t even know if you were targeted with any kill
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:49 am
I see normal from mafia Alison to discredit me btw
what, discredit your green check on odd? I have him as towncore since d1 when everyone hated him and he's still towncore for reasons unrelated to your check lol. I have no reason to go out of my way to discredit your cop checks
But you did it anyway
yeah because I think it's the truth - your checks really are compromised. I gain nothing as scum from pushing this idea, so it doesn't come from a place of agenda. I've showed you logically why this is the case: you have received strange results, and the mafia seem content to keep you alive. Every sign points to your checks being illegitimate.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:26 am
I'm fairly sure I've deduced what's going on here. It seems confusing, since all the night actions don't make sense, but if you think about it the answer is obvious. The truth is that
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:52 am
Alison is in control with Odd's action. Odd did his part in good faith.
What I say is that it's a complete nonsense from wolves to let LC alive so they super killed him knowing that if they target Alison the one who dies is LC.
They didn't have a second super kill to target me.
If the wolves feared LC's tracker/watcher ability so much that they'd super kill him, why not super kill you? A cop is better than a tracker/watcher.
Furthermore, if I am wolf and orchestrated the busdrive, I wouldn't need to use a super kill on LC. Any protection aimed at LC would land on me, so he'd never get it in the first place. It would make more sense to use a normal kill to target LC (who had protections busdriven away from him AND a weaker investigative role) and super kill you, the claimed cop with a stronger investigative role who had no busdrives manipulating you.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:49 am
I see normal from mafia Alison to discredit me btw
what, discredit your green check on odd? I have him as towncore since d1 when everyone hated him and he's still towncore for reasons unrelated to your check lol. I have no reason to go out of my way to discredit your cop checks
But you did it anyway
yeah because I think it's the truth - your checks really are compromised. I gain nothing as scum from pushing this idea, so it doesn't come from a place of agenda. I've showed you logically why this is the case: you have received strange results, and the mafia seem content to keep you alive. Every sign points to your checks being illegitimate.
I think my peeks are all correct.
Ted villager, you mafia and Odd villager.
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:26 am
I'm fairly sure I've deduced what's going on here. It seems confusing, since all the night actions don't make sense, but if you think about it the answer is obvious. The truth is that
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:09 am
w h y is michelle still alive and able to get off peeks
is there no rb? is there no redirect? no strongman?
what. is. going. on.
Dear Hally,
SPF claimed a save on me. Wolves tried to kill me because I looked not defendable and superkilled LC who they understood have a strong track /watch power.
If you are villager stop writing derailing ideas. If you are wolf, keep doing what you did all game.
Yours trully,
um, no. there are many things wrong with this post
1) we KNOW mafia has a strongman. who cares if spf saved you? if wolves wanted you dead they could strongman you and you’d be dead. why did they use their strongman on alison instead of you, the claimed cop? we don’t even know if you were the failed kill. nook claimed he saved me. it could have been me
2) mafia did not strongman lc. lc was busdriven with alison. they tried to strongman alison. WHY? why do they want alison dead so much but not you, the claimed cop? the only explanation if you’re a villager is that they aren’t scared of your checks
Alison controlled Odd s busdriven action, so no, wolves wanted LC superkilled
what are you talking about? alison told odd to swap her with lc. he did. lc died. that means alison was the intended target of the kill unless you think odd is lying about his orders from alison. but you green checked him so obviously fypov he can’t be lying. so he did swap lc with alison and lc died, meaning wolves actually tried to kill alison
Alison is in control with Odd's action. Odd did his part in good faith.
What I say is that it's a complete nonsense from wolves to let LC alive so they super killed him knowing that if they target Alison the one who dies is LC.
They didn't have a second super kill to target me.
so this theory requires alison to be a wolf, assume odd won’t decline her order and strongman kill herself so lc dies? that’s what you’re going with?
in the future if you aren't willing to put in basic effort into understanding mechanics don't sign up for role madness games. I hate mech too but I'm willing to sit down and work it out if necessary and you are acting like falcon and refusing to listen to basic reason. I'm not going to sit here hitting my head against a brick wall so bye. Good luck mustering up the votes necessary to kill me when the entire game knows that the mafia targeted me with their super kill.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:52 am
Alison is in control with Odd's action. Odd did his part in good faith.
What I say is that it's a complete nonsense from wolves to let LC alive so they super killed him knowing that if they target Alison the one who dies is LC.
They didn't have a second super kill to target me.
If the wolves feared LC's tracker/watcher ability so much that they'd super kill him, why not super kill you? A cop is better than a tracker/watcher.
Furthermore, if I am wolf and orchestrated the busdrive, I wouldn't need to use a super kill on LC. Any protection aimed at LC would land on me, so he'd never get it in the first place. It would make more sense to use a normal kill to target LC (who had protections busdriven away from him AND a weaker investigative role) and super kill you, the claimed cop with a stronger investigative role who had no busdrives manipulating you.
Is interesting how much desire to discredit me instead game solving you have
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:56 am
so this theory requires alison to be a wolf, assume odd won’t decline her order and strongman kill herself so lc dies? that’s what you’re going with?
even that theory doesn't work
because if that was true and I was assuming odd won't decline my order then I know that any protection aimed at LC lands on me instead, meaning I had no reason to super kill LC and would save it for michelle (who wasn't busdriven)
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:57 am
in the future if you aren't willing to put in basic effort into understanding mechanics don't sign up for role madness games. I hate mech too but I'm willing to sit down and work it out if necessary and you are acting like falcon and refusing to listen to basic reason. I'm not going to sit here hitting my head against a brick wall so bye. Good luck mustering up the votes necessary to kill me when the entire game knows that the mafia targeted me with their super kill.
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:52 am
Alison is in control with Odd's action. Odd did his part in good faith.
What I say is that it's a complete nonsense from wolves to let LC alive so they super killed him knowing that if they target Alison the one who dies is LC.
They didn't have a second super kill to target me.
If the wolves feared LC's tracker/watcher ability so much that they'd super kill him, why not super kill you? A cop is better than a tracker/watcher.
Furthermore, if I am wolf and orchestrated the busdrive, I wouldn't need to use a super kill on LC. Any protection aimed at LC would land on me, so he'd never get it in the first place. It would make more sense to use a normal kill to target LC (who had protections busdriven away from him AND a weaker investigative role) and super kill you, the claimed cop with a stronger investigative role who had no busdrives manipulating you.
there’s no point in arguing with her. her theory makes no sense
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:56 am
so this theory requires alison to be a wolf, assume odd won’t decline her order and strongman kill herself so lc dies? that’s what you’re going with?
even that theory doesn't work
because if that was true and I was assuming odd won't decline my order then I know that any protection aimed at LC lands on me instead, meaning I had no reason to super kill LC and would save it for michelle (who wasn't busdriven)
Superkill goes before protection so yes, i am right
I'm done convincing you Michelle. You respond to basic logic with accusations of discrediting because you don't understand how mechanics work, you didn't understand it in GOC and you aren't willing to put in the effort to learn. You go by the most first impression knee jerk shallow interpretations of how mechanics work in mafia games which is why you just take your check results as granted even in the face of conflicting evidence and it's also why you just assumed I was benign in GOC.
I've given you my logic. Now, you can either choose to believe me or not to believe me. Given that you have chosen not to believe me you are welcome to try to find as many people as are willing to out themselves as wolves by following your case. Good luck with that.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:26 am
I'm fairly sure I've deduced what's going on here. It seems confusing, since all the night actions don't make sense, but if you think about it the answer is obvious. The truth is that
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
this game has gone off the rails to the extent that i'm not sure how to put it back on track. something is deeply wrong with the gamestate but i feel like the answer is tangled behind a complex web of mechanics that would take an absurd amount of effort to piece together
from this point forward, i'm probably going to ignore mechanics completely. i don't care about mechanics. i don't care about claims. i want to vote for the wolfiest person alive in this game right now. who is it?
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:49 am
I see normal from mafia Alison to discredit me btw
what, discredit your green check on odd? I have him as towncore since d1 when everyone hated him and he's still towncore for reasons unrelated to your check lol. I have no reason to go out of my way to discredit your cop checks
But you did it anyway
yeah because I think it's the truth - your checks really are compromised. I gain nothing as scum from pushing this idea, so it doesn't come from a place of agenda. I've showed you logically why this is the case: you have received strange results, and the mafia seem content to keep you alive. Every sign points to your checks being illegitimate.
I think my peeks are all correct.
Ted villager, you mafia and Odd villager.
how can you have red peeked alison when odd, who you just peeked villager, swears he swapped alison with sloonei that night?
he couldn’t have been roleblocked because lc claimed to be roleblocked that night. also if there’s a roleblocker why haven’t they blocked you?
there’s no possible way you could have gotten a real red check on alison
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
You have to know your checks aren't reliable atp, yeah? You have a green check on odd who says he bus drove Alison the night you red checked her, its impossible for you to have both a reliable green check on odd AND a reliable red check on alison
Burying your head in the sand doesn't change that!
If you want to push Alison, it cannot be with your check, cause your check is proven to be unreliable
Your post shows you don't want to solve the game Alison, you just defend yourself forcing your narrative
I am not such an idiot like you pretend i am, and I followed in Goc the will of consensus, instead my own idea. That doesn't mean I failed to understand Goc mechanics, actually i did but I wanted to respect more everyone:s ideas.
There are posts showing I understood, and you saying i played bad in Goc is just a way to discredit me and defend yourself
Like if you think Alison is mafia fine go ahead and try to push that, but you're not going to get anywhere pushing her with your red check cause your check are proven to be unreliable
