Double Elimination Mafia town win

[DaisyCloud]

[VOTE: Moghedion] aubergine voting them because I got a lean scum feel on them.

[Alison]

u can not possibly have determined my alignment so early in game with such few posts that I had at that point.

No way you have experience with Mac and believe this. This is an attempted discredit.

[Alison]

I refuse to believe this person knows Mac well enough to have a usual way of treating him but goes around saying crap like "being certain about your early reads is scummy". That makes no sense sorry.

[Alison]

like I said I don't mind going into the second bracket. what I do not like is the 2 most vocal about it want me there because they think i am mafia. this is incorrect.

I think given enough opportunity and not pushed into the gallows I can help find the 3 scum and be an asset.

it is what it is. and I want to make it clear that my objections to going into the 2nd bracket is for thst reason and that reason alone.

Weird I didn't realize the intentions of people's decisions to put you in the second bracket prevented you from catching mafia. The way I see it, it actually gives you a vote to exe mafia with.

[Timsup2nothin]

[VOTE: Marmot/LC/Mogh/Made] aubergine

+ myself + my 3 scumreads is my ideal loser's bracket. 3 people I think are scum, and 4 level-headed people who I think are >rand town and who will spew their alignments hard based on the votes they make in loser's.

Why does this look so much like you, three of the most likely people to be able to catch you and out drive you, and four people who have stated they are predisposed to think you are town?

Normally you and I are hands off until mid game because you know you can't read me early and I don't real you early, but here you are trying to line up minions for your out of the blue war on me. I mean, your agenda here is just blatantly obvious. I get it, if you are wolfing you need me and Mac, and presumably Daisy, silenced fast...but a little subtlety seems called for.

[Kylemii]

[VOTE: alison] aubergine
[VOTE: macdougall] aubergine

[DaisyCloud]

u can not possibly have determined my alignment so early in game with such few posts that I had at that point.

No way you have experience with Mac and believe this. This is an attempted discredit.

you clearly said it was before I voted and said anything about MacDougall. now you are clearly saying the opposite. it can't be both. not sure why you are contradicting yourself here.

I don't want you to go to the 2nd bracket if um going to be there. but clearly u need to go there at some point.

it was mentioned you single handlely one a game here recently. were you town or mafia? if third party were u scum or town aligned?

[Kylemii]

they both requested but I mostly just want them to be locked in a room so they can get themselves resolved in one way or another.

[Alison]

[VOTE: Marmot/LC/Mogh/Made] aubergine

+ myself + my 3 scumreads is my ideal loser's bracket. 3 people I think are scum, and 4 level-headed people who I think are >rand town and who will spew their alignments hard based on the votes they make in loser's.

Why does this look so much like you, three of the most likely people to be able to catch you and out drive you, and four people who have stated they are predisposed to think you are town?

Normally you and I are hands off until mid game because you know you can't read me early and I don't real you early, but here you are trying to line up minions for your out of the blue war on me. I mean, your agenda here is just blatantly obvious. I get it, if you are wolfing you need me and Mac, and presumably Daisy, silenced fast...but a little subtlety seems called for.

My agenda is to kill all three of you. I'm doing it because you're all wolves though. Daisy is like a 70% hit, you're like 90% and Mac is 95+%. So yes I am lining people up I think will help me do that. Because as much as you're claiming that you're the people who can catch wolf Alison I also think I'm the best positioned player to take you two out of the game before you can worm your way out of the POE.

[Poison]

Honestly I want alison and Mac to resolve things too. I might vote both of them.

I don't get it why Mac called Alison scum, because I think that's exactly how alison approaches the game regardless of alignment.?

[Poison]

[VOTE: Alison ] aubergine
[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

[DaisyCloud]

like I said I don't mind going into the second bracket. what I do not like is the 2 most vocal about it want me there because they think i am mafia. this is incorrect.

I think given enough opportunity and not pushed into the gallows I can help find the 3 scum and be an asset.

it is what it is. and I want to make it clear that my objections to going into the 2nd bracket is for thst reason and that reason alone.

Weird I didn't realize the intentions of people's decisions to put you in the second bracket prevented you from catching mafia. The way I see it, it actually gives you a vote to exe mafia with.

last I checked intentions in this case is indeed important. it is in the second bracket that town will be able to eliminate mafia. if Majority of the players in the second bracket believes me to be scum then I will be eliminated thus unable to eliminate any mafia. not sure what about that is confusing to u. it doesn't hender me from finding and trying to yeet the mafia but it clearly doesn't help either. and I clearly said that I'm fine going so im not being anti-town.

[Alison]

u can not possibly have determined my alignment so early in game with such few posts that I had at that point.

No way you have experience with Mac and believe this. This is an attempted discredit.

you clearly said it was before I voted and said anything about MacDougall. now you are clearly saying the opposite. it can't be both. not sure why you are contradicting yourself here.

I don't want you to go to the 2nd bracket if um going to be there. but clearly u need to go there at some point.

it was mentioned you single handlely one a game here recently. were you town or mafia? if third party were u scum or town aligned?

My read on you is independent of that. What I was pointing out was a new reason to scumread you based on you revealing you have history with Mac. I scumread your opening post because you were an obvious wolf there.

I want you to go to the second bracket so you will die and be eliminated from this game. I want to be in the second bracket so I can personally ensure that your corpse is flung out of a window. You can complain all you want about how there is no way on earth I could possibly know you're scum so early and get more and more outed as caught for the wrong reasons.

I was scum 3P in GOC.

[DaisyCloud]

I refuse to believe this person knows Mac well enough to have a usual way of treating him but goes around saying crap like "being certain about your early reads is scummy". That makes no sense sorry.

again you are clearly contradictory here with this statement fom your early one that I quoted when u said you determined my alignment *before* I voted MacDougall.

[Kylemii]

I dislike Gavial labelling me (and I guess also LC?) as "haven't really been participating" when it seemed clear that I probably just didn't know the game had started yet and we we're only like 24 hours deep

[Alison]

last I checked intentions in this case is indeed important. it is in the second bracket that town will be able to eliminate mafia. if Majority of the players in the second bracket believes me to be scum then I will be eliminated thus unable to eliminate any mafia. not sure what about that is confusing to u. it doesn't hender me from finding and trying to yeet the mafia but it clearly doesn't help either. and I clearly said that I'm fine going so im not being anti-town.

Four players will be eliminated from loser's. If you are in loser's, even if you are one of the four, you have a say as to who the other three are.

Your focus on surviving rather than maximizing your agency to control the exe while claiming on paper that you want to dunk all three mafia suggests you are mafia yourself.

[Alison]

I refuse to believe this person knows Mac well enough to have a usual way of treating him but goes around saying crap like "being certain about your early reads is scummy". That makes no sense sorry.

again you are clearly contradictory here with this statement fom your early one that I quoted when u said you determined my alignment *before* I voted MacDougall.

Correct I determined your alignment before you voted MacDougall. Later on my initial determination was reinforced by what you said about your history with Mac. This is not hard to understand.

[Gavial]

@DaisyCloud
I don’t entirely SR you I just felt like what you were doing is something I can see with scum intent.
You could just be Town being genuine and open with thought.
But I also can see the scum agenda behind it if your scum.

[Gavial]

I lied. I may not need to do much more wall posts today anyways but let me elaborate on what is probably going to happen, the way we are going let’s see:
Falcon, Wilgy, Mog, LC, Kyle, HK and G-Man

Which haven’t really been participating much in the game and if there’s a scum within them they are almost always going to try to aim for thread control.
That’s why I want to stay in the winners bracket to ensure they don’t do that and try and get more out of them.
Heck, LC and Kyle haven’t even posted yet.

Although if I’m being honest I think 1 of the 7 should go into the losers bracket so I can have TSP with me.

Supplement me with some clarifying information, if you would please.

How did you arrive at that list of seven? Is that who has the fewest votes so far, or is that some kind of read list?

If there is a scum within that list, are you implying that any of those seven will try to control the thread in Day 2? Controlling the convo is not my MO, and several of that seven are far less talkative than the rest of the game.

For what it’s worth, I’m in the “LB is more important than the WB” camp. More damage can be done in the LB, because those decisions are final. The WB important in that we don’t want more than one baddie sneaking by in there until the merger happens, but we need people we can trust in the LB.

Why TSP?

Yes I’m implying they have the fewest votes and lowest attention.
And yes your one of those seven who haven’t been given that much attention.

[Gavial]

I went thru Marmot's ISO in 2.4 seconds, and it was somewhat towny.



Kinda pinged me he called himself "vanilla town" tho...ain't no vanilla in my PM, it just says town.

I kinda want to Mech clear this town like I did with Esooa last game.

[Gavial]

@Long Con
@Kylemii
I’m pressure voting you guys so you partake in the game you signed up for!

hello I have read nothing but I am immediately voting for this guy who thinks it's his job to be the participation bridge goblin

How can I read your slot if you don’t post?

[Kylemii]

u can not possibly have determined my alignment so early in game with such few posts that I had at that point.

No way you have experience with Mac and believe this. This is an attempted discredit.

you clearly said it was before I voted and said anything about MacDougall. now you are clearly saying the opposite. it can't be both. not sure why you are contradicting yourself here.

I don't want you to go to the 2nd bracket if um going to be there. but clearly u need to go there at some point.

it was mentioned you single handlely one a game here recently. were you town or mafia? if third party were u scum or town aligned?

it was a joke made was making, alison won that game as a 3p by outing most aspects of her role and being mechanically helpful in order to get carried to the endgame, and being given the mafia kill by the hosts for some reason after the mafia had been already defeated so we didn't realize we weren't still looking for mafia. it was a strategic victory and cool and everything but had nothing to do with freight train scumhunting like Made had implied

[Kylemii]

last I checked intentions in this case is indeed important. it is in the second bracket that town will be able to eliminate mafia. if Majority of the players in the second bracket believes me to be scum then I will be eliminated thus unable to eliminate any mafia. not sure what about that is confusing to u. it doesn't hender me from finding and trying to yeet the mafia but it clearly doesn't help either. and I clearly said that I'm fine going so im not being anti-town.

Four players will be eliminated from loser's. If you are in loser's, even if you are one of the four, you have a say as to who the other three are.

Your focus on surviving rather than maximizing your agency to control the exe while claiming on paper that you want to dunk all three mafia suggests you are mafia yourself.

Alison confidently saying a bunch of nonsense like this means she's probably just town

[Gavial]

I dislike Gavial labelling me (and I guess also LC?) as "haven't really been participating" when it seemed clear that I probably just didn't know the game had started yet and we we're only like 24 hours deep

Labelling you?
Bruh. only you and LC haven’t posted and I pinged you to get off your roller rocky chair and post in thread.

I’d accept “I’ll OMGUS you Gavial” or “I’ll vote you because you disturbed me”.
But your voting me because I’m “labelling” you.

Yeah my votes staying on you today.
Congrats on being one of my lock 8 votes.

[Timsup2nothin]

[VOTE: Marmot/LC/Mogh/Made] aubergine

+ myself + my 3 scumreads is my ideal loser's bracket. 3 people I think are scum, and 4 level-headed people who I think are >rand town and who will spew their alignments hard based on the votes they make in loser's.

Why does this look so much like you, three of the most likely people to be able to catch you and out drive you, and four people who have stated they are predisposed to think you are town?

Normally you and I are hands off until mid game because you know you can't read me early and I don't real you early, but here you are trying to line up minions for your out of the blue war on me. I mean, your agenda here is just blatantly obvious. I get it, if you are wolfing you need me and Mac, and presumably Daisy, silenced fast...but a little subtlety seems called for.

My agenda is to kill all three of you. I'm doing it because you're all wolves though. Daisy is like a 70% hit, you're like 90% and Mac is 95+%. So yes I am lining people up I think will help me do that. Because as much as you're claiming that you're the people who can catch wolf Alison I also think I'm the best positioned player to take you two out of the game before you can worm your way out of the POE.

Yeah that would be a great strat for town you if it wasn't just plain wrong, and I respect town you too much to believe you could be that wrong.

Your read on Mac is based on him doing exactly what he always does, except instead of you being in the instant towns you are in the instant scum. So, OMGUS. If you were most people I'd say "well, OMGUS is pretty normal," but you are you and you certainly know better.

You rolling directly from "here's a wolf I've made up my mind" into associative reads is pure you, but in this game it is so obviously not optimal that you should reevaluate the strat, and I believe that town you WOULD have. The "I will singlehandedly annihilate the wolf team bit is great...when there is one chop at a time. I can, would, and have supported you before in the "let us cut open Alison's sure thing and read their entrails for clues" because I know that if you get it wrong you will be twice as sharp for the rest of the game and you will reevaluate all the associatives you built on what turned out to be wrong.

That can't work here because of the four chop day and you should recognize that. I am hard pressed to imagine that you don't recognize that. It is a lot easier for me to imagine that Alison as wolf has recognized that leaning into the usual town Alison strat and misapplying it to this game is the optimal wolf strat.

If you are town, answer one question: what happens if you get your way completely, load the loser's bracket exactly the way you want, chop Mac and his "known associates" plus presumably one of your minions that will have to be sacrificed after a random choosing...and you find out you were wrong about Mac, so your associative reads are also wrong, and random minion chopping went badly, so you are down four town. How do you see the game playing out from there?

[Gavial]

The only ones I trust and am confident on being Town is Marmot and TSP.
That’s legit it.

[Gavial]

Wait no I’m wrong.
Falcon is Mech Cleared Town.
(For me at least)

[DaisyCloud]

u can not possibly have determined my alignment so early in game with such few posts that I had at that point.

No way you have experience with Mac and believe this. This is an attempted discredit.

you clearly said it was before I voted and said anything about MacDougall. now you are clearly saying the opposite. it can't be both. not sure why you are contradicting yourself here.

I don't want you to go to the 2nd bracket if um going to be there. but clearly u need to go there at some point.

it was mentioned you single handlely one a game here recently. were you town or mafia? if third party were u scum or town aligned?

My read on you is independent of that. What I was pointing out was a new reason to scumread you based on you revealing you have history with Mac. I scumread your opening post because you were an obvious wolf there.

I want you to go to the second bracket so you will die and be eliminated from this game. I want to be in the second bracket so I can personally ensure that your corpse is flung out of a window. You can complain all you want about how there is no way on earth I could possibly know you're scum so early and get more and more outed as caught for the wrong reasons.

I was scum 3P in GOC.

huh, so u r back tracking again now. because that isn't what you said in the past with your reply with the post I quoted that had the reason why you voted me. I don't know why you are being so contradictory. when did I complain about anything in this game? I haven't complained once. I have voiced a bit of concerns but they were mild at best.

it won't prevent me from finding and eliminating scum. I can do that in either bracket. however if the Majority of players in the second bracket determines i am scum and I am eliminated it will prevent me and thus hinder me from finding and eliminating mafia.
hmm, that is interesting that u was scum that game. not sure why you are confused about that. it is facts. you can't eliminate scum if your dead.

again, if you are town and im misyeeted I will be extremely salty post game with u. and no my salt should have 0 to do with your's or anyone's votes dealing with me. I say it because you are so selfish to be tunneling me this hard.

I think you need to take a step back. I doubt you will. and idk why u have such hostility against me. im going to bring it up post game if you randed town.

interesting that you was scum in that game. did you play like this in your town games? how is your playstyle/posting this game different or same or both from your last game? I probably won't believe anything you answer with these questions nor read any links to games you share either as I have 0 time and even if I had time I still probably won't go look to find out. still want an answer. I may be bad at meta but still curious. I don't know you nor your games but I'm curious. in many forums meta us frowned upon as it can be angleshooty territory. how often have you randed town versus scum, have most of your rexent games you played been u randing scum, if you answer nothing else in this paragraph i want the answer to this one please.

[Kylemii]

@Long Con
@Kylemii
I’m pressure voting you guys so you partake in the game you signed up for!

hello I have read nothing but I am immediately voting for this guy who thinks it's his job to be the participation bridge goblin

How can I read your slot if you don’t post?

did you think not posting was a deliberate choice?

[Kylemii]

I dislike Gavial labelling me (and I guess also LC?) as "haven't really been participating" when it seemed clear that I probably just didn't know the game had started yet and we we're only like 24 hours deep

Labelling you?
Bruh. only you and LC haven’t posted and I pinged you to get off your roller rocky chair and post in thread.

I’d accept “I’ll OMGUS you Gavial” or “I’ll vote you because you disturbed me”.
But your voting me because I’m “labelling” you.

Yeah my votes staying on you today.
Congrats on being one of my lock 8 votes.

oof. interesting reaction

[DaisyCloud]

last I checked intentions in this case is indeed important. it is in the second bracket that town will be able to eliminate mafia. if Majority of the players in the second bracket believes me to be scum then I will be eliminated thus unable to eliminate any mafia. not sure what about that is confusing to u. it doesn't hender me from finding and trying to yeet the mafia but it clearly doesn't help either. and I clearly said that I'm fine going so im not being anti-town.

Four players will be eliminated from loser's. If you are in loser's, even if you are one of the four, you have a say as to who the other three are.

Your focus on surviving rather than maximizing your agency to control the exe while claiming on paper that you want to dunk all three mafia suggests you are mafia yourself.

actually, I'm not focused on survival.

you have when talking about me or replying to me have made alot of wrong assumptions and have continually put words in my mouth. I need you to stop. stop making assumptions about me as they have been nothing but wrong and stop saying I'm say ir do stuff that I clearly haven't been doing nor saying.

[Timsup2nothin]

last I checked intentions in this case is indeed important. it is in the second bracket that town will be able to eliminate mafia. if Majority of the players in the second bracket believes me to be scum then I will be eliminated thus unable to eliminate any mafia. not sure what about that is confusing to u. it doesn't hender me from finding and trying to yeet the mafia but it clearly doesn't help either. and I clearly said that I'm fine going so im not being anti-town.

Four players will be eliminated from loser's. If you are in loser's, even if you are one of the four, you have a say as to who the other three are.

Your focus on surviving rather than maximizing your agency to control the exe while claiming on paper that you want to dunk all three mafia suggests you are mafia yourself.

Alison confidently saying a bunch of nonsense like this means she's probably just town

In this case I disagree. Alison confidently spewing reads that appear to have no basis is a townish indication, although she can fake it. Alison spewing nonsense regarding optimal strategy and being plainly wrong is driven by her alignment being the opposite of the alignment she is presenting the strategy for.

Her town strat she is claiming to support is "dive into the loser's bracket and eliminate all the wolves immediately." That seems like a strat that fits the persona Alison presents, in which she has fast decisive reads that she is absolutely confident on and given four chops she can just end it. But that's just a persona. The real town Alison grabs ONE death tunnel, chosen mostly at random, and sacrifices them to see what happens. All the ridiculous sure thing associatives she builds around the sacrifice are just testing and probing. Here she is acting like she wants to bet the game on them instead.

[Kylemii]

participation policing is going after low hanging fruit and betrays a need to look moralistic in your approach to voting which is always fake. If you just pinged us once it would be what you said but you mentioned it like 3 times in the space of 24 hours since the game started.

[Kylemii]

last I checked intentions in this case is indeed important. it is in the second bracket that town will be able to eliminate mafia. if Majority of the players in the second bracket believes me to be scum then I will be eliminated thus unable to eliminate any mafia. not sure what about that is confusing to u. it doesn't hender me from finding and trying to yeet the mafia but it clearly doesn't help either. and I clearly said that I'm fine going so im not being anti-town.

Four players will be eliminated from loser's. If you are in loser's, even if you are one of the four, you have a say as to who the other three are.

Your focus on surviving rather than maximizing your agency to control the exe while claiming on paper that you want to dunk all three mafia suggests you are mafia yourself.

Alison confidently saying a bunch of nonsense like this means she's probably just town

In this case I disagree. Alison confidently spewing reads that appear to have no basis is a townish indication, although she can fake it. Alison spewing nonsense regarding optimal strategy and being plainly wrong is driven by her alignment being the opposite of the alignment she is presenting the strategy for.

Her town strat she is claiming to support is "dive into the loser's bracket and eliminate all the wolves immediately." That seems like a strat that fits the persona Alison presents, in which she has fast decisive reads that she is absolutely confident on and given four chops she can just end it. But that's just a persona. The real town Alison grabs ONE death tunnel, chosen mostly at random, and sacrifices them to see what happens. All the ridiculous sure thing associatives she builds around the sacrifice are just testing and probing. Here she is acting like she wants to bet the game on them instead.

do you think the format of the game would alter her death tunnel MO?

[DaisyCloud]

Wait no I’m wrong.
Falcon is Mech Cleared Town.
(For me at least)

how can someone be mech clear? there has been 0 so far for someone to be Mech cleared.

idk, if my definition of mech is off base or not but this looks like a slip or huge derpy derp mistake. or both because to say this as scum is a mistake and derpy too.

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

[Kylemii]

any post with more than 2 paragraphs or one paragraph without line breaks that won't fit on my phone screen is basically unreadable

[Kylemii]

hi mog

[Kylemii]

@Moghedien

[Long Con]

[VOTE: Marmot/LC/Mogh/Made] aubergine

+ myself + my 3 scumreads is my ideal loser's bracket. 3 people I think are scum, and 4 level-headed people who I think are >rand town and who will spew their alignments hard based on the votes they make in loser's.

...I wanted to not be in the Losers, but you are saying you want to be there?

So you can decide who dies?

I don't trust random people to exe scum Mac lol.

I refuse to believe this person knows Mac well enough to have a usual way of treating him but goes around saying crap like "being certain about your early reads is scummy". That makes no sense sorry.

Ok, I'm in.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine[VOTE: Alison] aubergine[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

[Kylemii]

I want my other two votes to go to someone I have trouble reading early but looking down this list that's basically everyone

[Long Con]

I refuse to believe this person knows Mac well enough to have a usual way of treating him but goes around saying crap like "being certain about your early reads is scummy". That makes no sense sorry.

Which person? The quote in the previous post had no name. Daisy?

[Long Con]

I want my other two votes to go to someone I have trouble reading early but looking down this list that's basically everyone

[VOTE: Kyle] aubergine come along friend!

[Kylemii]

no way that sounds dumb

[DaisyCloud]

last I checked intentions in this case is indeed important. it is in the second bracket that town will be able to eliminate mafia. if Majority of the players in the second bracket believes me to be scum then I will be eliminated thus unable to eliminate any mafia. not sure what about that is confusing to u. it doesn't hender me from finding and trying to yeet the mafia but it clearly doesn't help either. and I clearly said that I'm fine going so im not being anti-town.

Four players will be eliminated from loser's. If you are in loser's, even if you are one of the four, you have a say as to who the other three are.

Your focus on surviving rather than maximizing your agency to control the exe while claiming on paper that you want to dunk all three mafia suggests you are mafia yourself.

Alison confidently saying a bunch of nonsense like this means she's probably just town

In this case I disagree. Alison confidently spewing reads that appear to have no basis is a townish indication, although she can fake it. Alison spewing nonsense regarding optimal strategy and being plainly wrong is driven by her alignment being the opposite of the alignment she is presenting the strategy for.

Her town strat she is claiming to support is "dive into the loser's bracket and eliminate all the wolves immediately." That seems like a strat that fits the persona Alison presents, in which she has fast decisive reads that she is absolutely confident on and given four chops she can just end it. But that's just a persona. The real town Alison grabs ONE death tunnel, chosen mostly at random, and sacrifices them to see what happens. All the ridiculous sure thing associatives she builds around the sacrifice are just testing and probing. Here she is acting like she wants to bet the game on them instead.

do you think the format of the game would alter her death tunnel MO?

if she is still alive and I am eliminated and she had voted me and sees i flipped town i would think the smart thing and only thing to do is reevaluate her reads??!!? idk, that makes sense to me right? she can do whatever she wants.

idk if it's just me but if I death tunneled someone and it turned out I was wrong I reassess my reads. it only makes sense to do that imho.

If she doesn't well hope she is right about her other reads despite being wrong about me.

[hollowkatt]

I think anyone wanting to be in the second bracket is sus af

[Kylemii]

I don't want to be stuck in a room listening to mac and alison fight for 48 hours

[Kylemii]

would rather be dead or anything else

[hollowkatt]

I don't want to be stuck in a room listening to mac and alison fight for 48 hours

yeah, I get that. god forbid you throw Tim in there too

[Long Con]

I think anyone wanting to be in the second bracket is sus af

...so then that's the right place for them...?

[Kylemii]

yea like..... the way votes are shaped right now, the losers bracket is a blender and I'm positive it'll make a nice smoothie, if there is a possible smoothie to be made of it's ingredients