Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

[KZA]

We really burnt ourselves out early in this one lol

[Esooa]

We really burnt ourselves out early in this one lol

I didn't I just really like anything about multiball

[Esooa]

don't really like

[Esooa]

BK is more towny than he's been in any other game I've seen him in

Also this is basically an OGI read but in the game he was mafia he was doing fucking NOTHING while he was participating in this game

In fact I'm pretty sure his participation in this game is a decent amount of what caused his lackluster contributions in the other game

Which considering the game means he's probably always town

the game I'm talking about ended btw

[KZA]

Multiple ball

[staypositivefriend]

i was pinged by KZA being like "just kill JPIC tomorrow and then clear me when he flips scum", because it showed a disproportionate amount of confidence relative to how KZA usually reads things

but i do think occams razor points to him just being town

[staypositivefriend]

in fact, im just going to occams razor the rest of this game. occams razor tells me that michelle, nanook, hally, and KZA are town. cool.

[Hally]

occam’s razor is out. tinfoiling wildly outlandish theories that make absolutely no sense is in

[staypositivefriend]

occam’s razor is out. tinfoiling wildly outlandish theories that make absolutely no sense is in

good point

nanook/michelle/hally mafia team. im calling it now

[Hally]

damn. we’re outed

[Hally]

abandon logic. return to monke

[staypositivefriend]

i am unsure why oddmerta has slipped under the radar as much as he has

[KZA]

There is reasonable reason to believe everyone left is town lol

[staypositivefriend]

There is reasonable reason to believe everyone left is town lol

now this is a tinfoil theory that i absolutely want to be true

[KZA]

I'm drunk so SPF is obviously pocketing me

[staypositivefriend]

I'm drunk so SPF is obviously pocketing me

its ok im high and high people are legally not allowed to lie

[KZA]

I'm drunk so SPF is obviously pocketing me

its ok im high and high people are legally not allowed to lie

I will join you

[staypositivefriend]

I'm drunk so SPF is obviously pocketing me

its ok im high and high people are legally not allowed to lie

I will join you

nice

i lock townread u now

[Hally]

i am unsure why oddmerta has slipped under the radar as much as he has

michelle green checked him so like, unless he’s a godfather or something (which is possible since marmot was) he’s a villager

[staypositivefriend]

i am unsure why oddmerta has slipped under the radar as much as he has

michelle green checked him so like, unless he’s a godfather or something (which is possible since marmot was) he’s a villager

gonna be honest: i completely, 100% forgot about that

[Hally]

real mafia players post sober so we can experience the emotional turmoil of still being alive at full intensity

[Hally]

i am unsure why oddmerta has slipped under the radar as much as he has

michelle green checked him so like, unless he’s a godfather or something (which is possible since marmot was) he’s a villager

gonna be honest: i completely, 100% forgot about that

well he could still be a godfather. marmot was one so the other team probably has one too to counteract michelle

[Hally]

also tbh having a villager that comes up as guilty to the cop is also good counter to having a full alignment cop in the game so it’s really not outside the realm of possibility straw is just a villager especially given his jpic interactions are good

[Hally]

in an ideal world al_sama and/or ted were on jpic’s team

[KZA]

in an ideal world al_sama and/or ted were on jpic’s team

I think Ted was town since the main argument for him being scum was looking like a viable marmot partner

Al Sama I've basically been assuming was part of the other team lol

[Michelle]

At this moment we still don't know if scum teams are 4 + 4 or 3 + 3

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Idk why you guys are so pessimistic tbh, this game is still pretty winnable

[KZA]

22 players

16 v 3 v 3

Or

14 v 4 v 4

Yeah I think 3 each is more likely for balance purposes

[KZA]

Idk why you guys are so pessimistic tbh, this game is still pretty winnable

I agree I have only outputted roughly 4 percent of my power and we are doing fine

[staypositivefriend]

honestly i would just kill oddmerta strawhenge and boknows back to back and if the game doesnt end then w/e

[Oddmerta]

Spf first

[Michelle]

Let's talk about the dynamic between Strawhenge and Michelle.

I read it as two players whose playstyles grate against each other, but ultimately they're both villager. Does anyone else have thoughts about this? Those two have been quietly going at it hammer and tongs in the background while we talk about other stuff.

Yeah, it feels like a clash of playstyles.

why would mafia agree with Alison here?

Reminder, Straw is peeked wolf and claimed miller after my peek.
Is this post just for pocketing Alison?

Although, I remember it striking me at the time that al didn’t vote for marmot to self-pres

Maybe this is a defence for Al?

Trustfall

AL_sama – Seems confused and I feel his teammates would have pushed him to post and actively tried to hunt more. Seems unaligned with marmot with how the wagonomics went D1.

Alison – Strongly hinted their role right out of the gates and I don’t feel like a mafia would have been that brazen straight away, regardless of who it is. Very believable claim and has actively tried to hunt.

BoKnows – Pie charts.

Dom – I feel like a mafia wouldn’t completely abandon their teammates like this or at the very least have asked for a sub.

Esooa – Questioning anybody who town reads them. Feel mafia would have taken the W.

falcon45ca – Not teamed with Marmot. We mind melded on the really questionable post by Marmot where he was checking the ISO of LC and saying he wouldn't vote there.

fingersplints – Feels genuine in tone. I believe their rage towards falcon.

KZA – AtE felt pretty towny day 1. Felt solvey with me on the marmot and tutuu slot on day 1 with meta reads. I want to say unaligned with marmot.

Long Con – Liked his clapback on oddmerta in day 1 with the time reads.

Michelle – Very much in her town game and play has reminded me of how she acted in GoC and seems stubborn/paranoid. The lack of elaborating her town reads on Al & ted feels towny because a wolf would have at least tried to have come up with a reason, even if it is banal.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME – I don’t really have a reason to town read nanook

Oddmerta – One of the trooper claims and is backed by Alison. His claim right after marmots flip makes me feel that they are unaligned with marmot.

staypositivefriend –Just the right amount of thread presence and has been pretty solvey.

Strawhenge – Seems relaxed and feels like he just doing his own thing

tedxtr – meta read him as town D1.

TonyStarkPrime – Has been solvey somewhat this phase and has stepped up a bit since day 1.

hally - reasons

When I did this I realised I couldn't think of a reason to townread nanook

A good look for Nanook here

The trustfall is exaggerated wordy for me, like he knew I was wrong on one of them, probably on Al.

[Michelle]

Hally complaining about no one ISOing JPIC
Also Hally doing nothing about it...
And everyone else.

[Michelle]

[VOTE: Al] aubergine

This is the best of the current wagons.

Do you genuinely believe Al is the scummiest active wagon or is this self pres?

Also this wording implies there is someone who you'd rather see exed over Al but who isn't an active wagon. Who is it?

It is both.

I've seen reasons for both Ted and TSP to be town. Al on the other hand posted an awkward readlist yesterday and not much since then.


If this game happens to be multi-ball, Nanook and spf should be given another look. They were both suspicions I had earlier on before they claimed mason.

I didn't realize they were joking about it earlier, I thought it was an attempt from Nanook to shield spf, because at the time, she was taking a lot of heat.

I was going to go through Nook's ISO at some point (due to not coming up with a reason for a town read from the top of my head), and when I was looking through, I saw the jokey posts about Nanook & SPF being masons together, which reminded me of the above posts from Marmot. It feels like Marmot genuinely believed that SPF & Nook were masons together, so I think this could point to Nook/SPF not being a wolf with Marmot.

Would JPIC post this if one of Nanook /SPF is his mate?

[Michelle]

[VOTE: Al-Sama] aubergine

let's have a look at this

then michelle, spf and i go for al

feel cute might bury tony idk

then this

this is fine.

^after falcon made the tie breaking move

damn rip tony

someone shoot al

the flip didn't even happen by this point

w a t

It'd probably mean something more if KZA wasn't town reading tony. Although, I thought those posts were fine

[Michelle]

So it's agreed. Falcon is tomorrow's chop.

Why falcon over Al?

Doesn't look like Al was aligned with JPIC, except he wanted to bus him

so bo is a villager. that’s good

Why is he a villager?

Tunneling Bo seems like he wanted Bo dead.

any idea how many wolves could be in the two teams? someone mentioned 3-3

i have no clue how multiball ratio works

3-3 sounds like a fair ratio

This is interesting, hope is true

Kansas City Mafia would be Joe Bulo, Mike Milligan, The Kitchen Brothers (1 role) and Simone Gerhardt

Gerhardt Family Crime Syndicate would be Floyd Gerhardt, Dodd Gerhardt and Simone Gerhardt

Notice how I included Simone Gerhardt in both mafia teams


After the two mafia factions we have to worry about Hanzee because there is no way novase runs this game without Hanzee in it. He will be a killer and he will be strong

Missing Bear Gerhardt, he will be in Gerhardt Crime family syndicate

I wonder who's claim seems fake atm?

yeah, upon checking Marmot's role, I see no reason for Al not to be aligned with him, it may actually be slightly w/w indicative

if al died, marmot could've used his abilities...and it's multiball. iirc marmot was the type of player to want to go deep and in this situation all he needed was al to go over, gain a few credit to live and keep on owning.

he was a godfather, he can use his team mates' abilities if he died, he's also a role cop

pretty nice role

it's still possible al could be a villager, but we just need to get him out imo

i don't think he's ever able to clear himself and there's a few reasons to believe he was a bus / he has equity to be on the other team due to the constant resistance to his wagon

I hate to have so many janitored kills.
If Ted is right and Al was teamed with Marmot, then the teams are 4/4 and we are in a very bad spot.

My POE IS

Nanook
Lc
Al
Dom
bk


Would put KZA just above the PoE of five

His reads 'progressed' from the below post, i have the impression he RNGed the names

@Justplayingitcool who mafia

BoKnows
TSP
Marmot
Odd

[Hally]

i remember jpic accused bo of wolfy fake drunk posting, which feels like a weird like a weird line to take with a teammate

[Hally]

i remember jpic accused bo of wolfy fake drunk posting, which feels like a weird line to take with a teammate

oof. fixed

[Michelle]

general question:

what does everyone in this game perceive the "POE" to be? if you had to give a list of players who are in the consensus "POE", who would you put down?

LC
KZA
Falcon
BK
Fingersplints

Another Poe, kind of frozen

[VOTE: Strawhenge] aubergine


@Strawhenge this is a legitimate vote for compelling reasons and in no way an rng vote. I know you are mafia, tell me who your teammates are

1. I'd love to know your compelling reasons, @Oddmerta.

2. I'd love to know what RNG means.

3. I'm also feeling checked out of this game. First couple day/night phases were very high activity and now the slump has me feeling lethargic. I'm committed to finishing the game though. [borrow's JJJ's hat for a second] I encourage everyone to take space from the game when they need it; mafia burnout is real.

@Oddmerta what were the reasons to vote Straws?

Ben Schmidt literally gets called a "shit cop" by Deputy Solverson in the show so Michelle might be a faulty cop but I really hope not because I hate those roles

Not possible with the check on ted

Was Ted spewed villager here?

Ben Schmidt literally gets called a "shit cop" by Deputy Solverson in the show so Michelle might be a faulty cop but I really hope not because I hate those roles

Not possible with the check on ted

Ted was janitored tho?

And killed at night. Think we can assume he was murdered by scum unless someone wants to claim it

JPICs team was the one killing Ted?

Morning

I'm a tracker-variant of some sort. When I track, I also learn what action was done as well.

N1: I tracked BK to JJJ. It didn't mention anything about pills, just that he is an item-giver.
N2: I tracked Nook to Dom. Nothing more needs to be said there.
N4: I tracked KZA to SPF. Apparently, the ability used here is to duplicate failed actions on their target until success.

Why would JPIC confirm 2 villagers in Bo and KZA? He could easily track a teammate, it would be more logical

Spoiler: show

Bo, is the JPIC wagon based on a similar roleclaim to LC? Do you think he's been scummy? He's been a scum-lean lean for me for a while, but after LC flipped green I've lost some faith in my ability to read.

That's why I'm voting for JPIC. Long Con had the counter claim to being a tracker and LC is green. In a game this size what are the chances there are two town trackers? Overall his game hasn't been super scummy, but it hasn't been towny. I haven't seen a JPIC post since the start of the game that pinged me town. His dissapearance lately isn't great either, iirc someone made a good meta read on that (I'll see if I can find it).

This is the first game we have played together., i dunno how you can call the meta read good

Also literally one person didn't vote for Gavidom; voting for him dun't make anyone special.

It’s not about the vote but me tracking nook to dom which confirmed nook wasn’t blocked

Also literally one person didn't vote for Gavidom; voting for him dun't make anyone special.

It’s not about the vote but me tracking nook to dom which confirmed nook wasn’t blocked

That doesn't confirm that you're town.

JPIC, right now, is your best argument that you're town because you tracked Nanook and the game might not actually be multiball?

Why not? Why would i bury my teammate like that for no reason

JPIC, right now, is your best argument that you're town because you tracked Nanook and the game might not actually be multiball?

Playing devils advocate and im in the ‘other team’, who are my partners?

JPIC, right now, is your best argument that you're town because you tracked Nanook and the game might not actually be multiball?

Playing devils advocate and im in the ‘other team’, who are my partners?

I would have to read back through the entire thread, but GTH I'd say Esooa and Oddmerta.

JPIC, right now, is your best argument that you're town because you tracked Nanook and the game might not actually be multiball?

Playing devils advocate and im in the ‘other team’, who are my partners?

I would have to read back through the entire thread, but GTH I'd say Esooa and Oddmerta.

Odd and myself are never partners together with how D1 went down. Try again

JPIC, right now, is your best argument that you're town because you tracked Nanook and the game might not actually be multiball?

Playing devils advocate and im in the ‘other team’, who are my partners?

I would have to read back through the entire thread, but GTH I'd say Esooa and Oddmerta.

Odd and myself are never partners together with how D1 went down. Try again

Refresh my memory.

He shaded me the entire phase and misrepresented my posts. Also, he’s peeked green lol

If I was mafia i also bussed my teammate marmot heavily d1

Why did you do that?

Why did I do what?

Why did you bus your teammate Marnot on day 1?

Because im town and not his teammate?

I am very tired, i put in spoiler few interactions, but I can't discern the truth from Wifom.

[Michelle]

Townies should vote for a full day of 48 h

[Strawhenge]

Why would JPIC confirm 2 villagers in Bo and KZA? He could easily track a teammate, it would be more logical

I think I posed this question already, but: Is it possible JPIC claimed to have tracked someone who was actually his teammate, attempting to clear them? Scum could have coordinated fake claims.

[Michelle]

Please just check bo

I'm asking you to please just trust me and defer to my preference to check bo, if it turns out to be the wrong play you can yell at me in post

So Bo is the check, can you confirm it?

[Hally]

if i was a wolf tracker i would probably always just claim my real results to avoid anything screw-y that could out me

[Michelle]

Why would JPIC confirm 2 villagers in Bo and KZA? He could easily track a teammate, it would be more logical

I think I posed this question already, but: Is it possible JPIC claimed to have tracked someone who was actually his teammate, attempting to clear them? Scum could have coordinated fake claims.

This would be the most logical thing, Bo visited the NK in N1 after all

[Michelle]

if i was a wolf tracker i would probably always just claim my real results to avoid anything screw-y that could out me

Yes, but you would probably track your partner and give him the support of your track.

[Strawhenge]

if i was a wolf tracker i would probably always just claim my real results to avoid anything screw-y that could out me

My point is, though, that as a wolf tracker, JPIC could have mixed real results with completely fake ones. As in, he actually tracked Nanook to Dom, but didn't actually track KZA to SPF, but just said he did. While probably tracking someone else. Bo's pill to JJJ isn't confirmable, obviously, but is there any other way to prove KZA visited SPF other than KZA and JPIC's say-so? For that matter, ditto his tracking of Nanook?

[Strawhenge]

FTR I'm having trouble putting my reasoning into words that I understand, so I apologize if I'm not coming off clearly.

[Michelle]

If by chance I am alive tomorow i can't play Monday because i have to work all day
Please let the day at its normal lenght, it's good for town

[Strawhenge]

@Michelle, who among the living players have you checked already?

Hally - ?
SPF - ?
BK - TBD
Nanook - ?
Odd - green
Me - red (miller)
Esooa - ?
KZA - ?

[Michelle]

I just remembered, Bo said he sent me a pill, but I didn't receive anything and it would be illogical for scum RBer to block him. Seems odd

Someone received a pill during the game?