Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

[Hally]

This is me honestly forgetting and not having the energy to crawl 200+ posts on my phone, but what ‘cleared’ you (Hally), again?

ask someone else

[Strawhenge]

If I have to play against mafia that can survive a chop I'll just laugh

I would be legit send-angry-PM-to-nova pissed off of this is the case. I would fly Mac to wherever nova lives so he could kick down nova’s door and just berate nova to sleep every night for a year.

[Strawhenge]

Why is checking you dumb?

you already know why

I don’t. Or I’m forgetting. But yeah, if someone else who has the energy for it can answer me, that’d be awesome.

[Hally]

i would answer if i could

[KZA]

I actually think we have the numbers to vote esooa a 2nd time. If shes mafia we win, if shes really unkillable then no townie dies and the game goes to F3

Is my math right?

[Strawhenge]

What do you mean, we ‘have the numbers’? What numbers?

[KZA]

Why is checking you dumb?

you already know why

I don’t. Or I’m forgetting. But yeah, if someone else who has the energy for it can answer me, that’d be awesome.

Are you familiar with the Mason role

[Strawhenge]

Why is checking you dumb?

you already know why

I don’t. Or I’m forgetting. But yeah, if someone else who has the energy for it can answer me, that’d be awesome.

Are you familiar with the Mason role

Yeah, I know she was masons with Mac, but is that what clears her? I never really had Hally towncored based on her role, but on her scumhunting. Are masons always t/t?

[Hally]

This is a true story. The events depicted took place at The Syndicate Forum in April 2021. At the request of the survivors, the names have been changed. Out of respect for the dead, the rest has been told exactly as it occurred.

@JaggedJimmyJay [Constance] has been super-killed.

"We surrender our needs to the needs of men to our great detriment. But no more."
Constance

[Active] - Each night, Connie may target a player and motivate them to become their best self. They will gain a second use of their ability (if any) the following night. The second usage will come with a Strong-Willed modifier.
--- [Seminar] - Once during the game, Connie may choose a player and convince them to go a Lifespring retreat in exchange for their vote for 2 phases. At the end of it, they will receive an upgrade to their role as well as a refill of any expanded limited ability (if any).

Wincon - Eliminate all threats to Town

@MacDougall [Peggy Blumquist] has been killed.

"It's just a flying saucer, Ed. We gotta go!"
Peggy Blumquist

[Passive] - Peggy knows the identity of her husband Ed, and they share a private chat together. On the run, Peggy and Ed are lying low and as such, they may not share any pieces of information about their identities nor roles. That includes hinting at this very passive.

[Active] - On a journey to become her best self, Peggy is determined to attend a seminar she believes will help her achieve her goal, and as such she's willing to save money to attend at all costs. Even if it means stealing. Each night, Peggy may target a player and steal their vote for one phase. She may choose which day phase she would like to use her stolen votes (and how many of them), the night before it. Players targeted by her regain their vote one day later even if she hasn't consumed them yet.
--- [Now That's Just Rude] - If a player has voted against Peggy twice, she may instead decide to teach them some manners and to steal one of their abilities randomly as a one-shot (if any).

[Active - Bonnie And Clyde] - Each night, Peggy and Ed may target two players. They'll gain immunity against those two players for the night and as such may not be killed by them. If one of them is attacked by one of their targets, Peggy will run them over with her and Ed will finish the job. To get rid of any evidence, Ed will take care of the body janitoring it. [Redacted]

Primary Wincon - Eliminate all threats to Town
Secondary Wincon - Survive until the end

Day 2 starts.
You have 48 hours to decide on an elimination.

gestures vaguely at mac’s flip

[Hally]

Why is checking you dumb?

you already know why

I don’t. Or I’m forgetting. But yeah, if someone else who has the energy for it can answer me, that’d be awesome.

Are you familiar with the Mason role

Yeah, I know she was masons with Mac, but is that what clears her? I never really had Hally towncored based on her role, but on her scumhunting. Are masons always t/t?

yes

[KZA]

What do you mean, we ‘have the numbers’? What numbers?

Straw
Hally
KZA
Odd
Michelle
Esooa

Let's say Hally dies tonight as example

5 players remain. Esooa doesnt count for parity. If there are 2 mafia, they would win. So 1 mafia left confirmed.

If we then vote for esooa again we can test if shes really unkillable. If she doesnt die we can accept she is town. If she does die shes mafia. The mafia then have to kill one player that night, which results in 4 players left, one being esooa who doesnt count for parity

[KZA]

Someone tell me if my proposed esooa vote is a good idea

If it's a bad idea I'm too tired to figure out why

[KZA]

Why is checking you dumb?

you already know why

I don’t. Or I’m forgetting. But yeah, if someone else who has the energy for it can answer me, that’d be awesome.

Are you familiar with the Mason role

Yeah, I know she was masons with Mac, but is that what clears her? I never really had Hally towncored based on her role, but on her scumhunting. Are masons always t/t?

A wolf mason would just be cruel

[Hally]

there’s no such thing as a wolf mason

neighbors can be w/v but masons are always v/v

it should be very obvious from mac’s flip that he was a mason

[Esooa]

Why is checking you dumb?

you already know why

I don’t. Or I’m forgetting. But yeah, if someone else who has the energy for it can answer me, that’d be awesome.

Are you familiar with the Mason role

Yeah, I know she was masons with Mac, but is that what clears her? I never really had Hally towncored based on her role, but on her scumhunting. Are masons always t/t?

A wolf mason would just be cruel

this game is cruel

[Hally]

life is cruel

[KZA]

Might still eat that sandwich despite Bo flipping scum

[Strawhenge]

Why is checking you dumb?

you already know why

I don’t. Or I’m forgetting. But yeah, if someone else who has the energy for it can answer me, that’d be awesome.

Are you familiar with the Mason role

Yeah, I know she was masons with Mac, but is that what clears her? I never really had Hally towncored based on her role, but on her scumhunting. Are masons always t/t?

A wolf mason would just be cruel

I just read the mafiascum wiki on Masons and it says in normal games they’re always 100% confirmed town. [eyes the words ‘normal games’ and gets a migraine]

I’m not sussing Hally right now, just to be clear. Even after my second-strongest town read turned out to be scum, Hally is still my strongest read even without the mason role. I’m just trying to figure something out, without the brain power to do it.

[KZA]

life is cruel

We can defeat life with syndicate emojis

[Strawhenge]

life is cruel

I’m gonna fistbump my screen and you fistbump your screen too and it’ll be like we fistbumped actually.

[Hally]

Might still eat that sandwich despite Bo flipping scum

brave

[Strawhenge]

Might still eat that sandwich despite Bo flipping scum

Don’t do anything rash.

[Hally]

life is cruel

We can defeat life with syndicate emojis

life is cruel

I’m gonna fistbump my screen and you fistbump your screen too and it’ll be like we fistbumped actually.

[KZA]

So like me or Esooa are the only viable investigations

Michelle can choose I guess lol

[Michelle]

Good morning.

Can town play tonight because it's crucial for the game to share ideas and make a brainstorming together?
Can someone check Bo:s Iso?
Can we make a list from towniest to scummiest?

[Michelle]

elite reads : jpic saying "again" in two posts back to back when defending himself is dat villager RAGE being suppressed

it takes a rage suppressor to know another one

u guys should trust ted's read on jpic here (and my read on jpic) its 100% correct

if u guys continue to try to mischop LHF jpic we gonna throw hands

That's a bold claim. How do you know it's 100% correct?

If Tutuu/Hally was his mate decided to bus JPIC Bo wouldn't question that ig
That's a logically very good look for Hally

[Michelle]

D1 Marmot  [Joe Bulo] has been eliminated - inno to cop, super kills, Kansas maf

N1
JaggedJimmyJay [Constance] has been super-killed.
both teams would have all reasons to kill him N1, but the superkill could only come from Gerhardt mafia ig
MacDougall [Peggy Blumquist] has been killed by Kansas mafia

D2 elim TSP (Irma Mundt) town
N2
AL_sama [???]  has been killed by Gerhardt mafia probably
tedxtr [???]  has been killed by Kansas mafia probably
{Fingers said that she knows who killed Ted because she redirected someone's shot, that means Ted if he is mafia is never in team Kansas [Marmot, Dom, Fingers (+1? that would be Al)]}

Someone attempted to kill [???], but failed. Nanook tried to kill Dom
Sloonei  [Ronald Reagan] has been killed - probably by his own role

D3 elim Dom/Gavial (the Kitchen Brothers) Kansas maf
N3
Actionless

D4 elim Falcon (Barton Brixby) town
N4
Someone attempted to kill [???], but failed, the kill on either me protected by SPF or Hally protected by Nanook - kill attempt by Kansas mafia
Long Con  [Hank Larsson] has been super-killed by Gerhard maf

D5 elim Fingers (Mike Milligan) - redirector, redacted active, last Kansas mafia
N5
Alison has been super-killed

D6 elim JPIC (Hanzee) - janitor, active redacted
N6
Someone attempted to super-kill [???], but failed. It was a night where LC again protected someone, SPF said she abstained iirc

D7 elim Esooa **failed**
N7
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/color] [Lou Solverson] has been super-killed
staypositivefriend [Karl Weathers] has been killed by Nanook

D8 elim BoKnows (Bear Gerhard) - 1 shot super kill, RBer, active redacted, Gerhard maf

[Michelle]

I just opened ted's ISO thinking I might have some gripes, but the posts look pretty decent to me. There's a degree of nuance in his views of JPIC that makes it harder to view as something like TMI. It could be mafia/mafia, but I don't care about reads like that at all right now.

Who's ted and why do you think you were on to something?

tedxtr

"on to something" isn't quite it. He just vaguely filled a "this is a slot that can be mafia" space in my mental construction of the game state, which is why I elected to review his posts more closely.

Okay thanks. None of Ted's post really stick out to me. We had a brief interaction over "chug jug with you".

First i saw this as partner-y, but I see Bo questioned stances about many villagers :

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

Reasoning? Is it because he didn't answer your question?

Like he did here for eg

I suspected them first, of course I'm going to notice them voting for the same person

What was the original reasoning for you suspecting them?

This has the same vibe

Let's play a game:

Is this low-hanging fruit, or is this a justifiable suspect?

AL_sama
BoKnows
fingersplints
JPIC
KZA
Long Con
Marmot
tedxtr

I extract these specific names because they strike me as applicable to the question -- either facing generic suspicions or otherwise pretty blank slates.

AL_sama - null
BoKnows - Town
fingersplints - low-hanging
JPIC - null
KZA - low-hanging
Long Con - low-hanging
Marmot - null
tedxtr - null

I don't have a solid scum suspect yet, but Oddmerta is starting to cross my mind

Lots of nulls, no suspects maybe Odd who suspected JPIC. Looks good for Odd

I suspected them first, of course I'm going to notice them voting for the same person

What was the original reasoning for you suspecting them?

I vocalized my non-elimination vote in the thread. That's the other big gotcha moment Odd caught me in - besides voting alongside my teammate.

Those don't seem like real reasons to me.

Idk what to do with this, looked like it has a meaning, but it isn't more than Wifom

I suspected them first, of course I'm going to notice them voting for the same person

What was the original reasoning for you suspecting them?

Number of things, bad entrances, not solving etc. Call it confirmation bias if you want, I usually end up being right

I don't think "bad" entrances are AI.
Not solving is a legitimate reason. I wouldn't say that Long Con isn't solving tbh.

If Odd were Bo's mate he would let him develop his narrative i think

AL_sama - null
BoKnows - Town
fingersplints - low-hanging
JPIC - null
KZA - low-hanging
Long Con - low-hanging
Marmot - null
tedxtr - null

I don't have a solid scum suspect yet, but Oddmerta is starting to cross my mind

Thanks for your response. I'm still wiggling them around in the old noodle. The old pasta.

For what it's worth everyone I marked with null I haven't seen much or any of their posts.

He came back for explanation for the nulls, this shows he had at least one partner there, JPIC confirmed. Would he put 2 partners? Idk

[Strawhenge]

Can someone check Bo:s Iso?

1029 posts? ​:faint:

I don't really have an abundance of time to play today, but I can do at least his ISO from the past couple day phases. If someone wants to tackle previous days, that'd rule.

Towniest to scummiest:
Hally
Michelle
Esooa
KZA
Odd

I know there are good points for Odd not being scum, but none of them rule out the possibility completely for me. I know how gambity scum can get.

Also, little peek behind the Strawhenge curtain: late-game, I tend to get increasingly paranoid and tinfoily—especially in situations like this where everyone alive has very solid reasons why they're not scum. Just a heads-up: I might say some dumb-crazy shit.

[KZA]

Well if Odd is town then the mafia has to play around his bus drives so that could help us out a lot

[Strawhenge]

Well if Odd is town then the mafia has to play around his bus drives so that could help us out a lot

I've been thinking about his busdriving the past couple days. It's probably my biggest eyebrow-perk when it comes to Odd. Hear me out here.

Esooa has claimed tree stump for a long time. On D7 it was confirmed she's unchoppable. It's not an unreasonable assumption that she's un-NK-able too, though, in this game, it's possible that she's not. Who knows. My point is that even Townmerta might be compelled to take the chance of swapping someone he wants to protect with a claimed tree stump so that nobody dies. This potential ability is even discussed on MafiaScum's Bus Driver wiki page, and I think Odd even brought it up himself in this game.

So my question is, why hasn't Esooa been involved in a bus-drive? The bus-drive on N7 was Michelle and me, presumably because Odd wanted to keep MIchelle alive. Red peek and miller claim aside, why risk getting a miller killed when you could have even the smallest chance of preventing an NK entirely by bus-driving a tree stump?

[Michelle]

@Oddmerta who is the best check?

[Michelle]

Why is checking you dumb?

you already know why

I don’t. Or I’m forgetting. But yeah, if someone else who has the energy for it can answer me, that’d be awesome.

Are you familiar with the Mason role

Yeah, I know she was masons with Mac, but is that what clears her? I never really had Hally towncored based on her role, but on her scumhunting. Are masons always t/t?

A wolf mason would just be cruel

I just read the mafiascum wiki on Masons and it says in normal games they’re always 100% confirmed town. [eyes the words ‘normal games’ and gets a migraine]

I’m not sussing Hally right now, just to be clear. Even after my second-strongest town read turned out to be scum, Hally is still my strongest read even without the mason role. I’m just trying to figure something out, without the brain power to do it.

why ia Hally your strongest town read ?

@Michelle, I'm gathering from your post about Odd that you no longer trust your previous green check on him? Are you going to check him again tonight?

No.
Do you think is useful to recheck Odd?

[Strawhenge]

you already know why

I don’t. Or I’m forgetting. But yeah, if someone else who has the energy for it can answer me, that’d be awesome.

Are you familiar with the Mason role

Yeah, I know she was masons with Mac, but is that what clears her? I never really had Hally towncored based on her role, but on her scumhunting. Are masons always t/t?

A wolf mason would just be cruel

I just read the mafiascum wiki on Masons and it says in normal games they’re always 100% confirmed town. [eyes the words ‘normal games’ and gets a migraine]

I’m not sussing Hally right now, just to be clear. Even after my second-strongest town read turned out to be scum, Hally is still my strongest read even without the mason role. I’m just trying to figure something out, without the brain power to do it.

why ia Hally your strongest town read ?

@Michelle, I'm gathering from your post about Odd that you no longer trust your previous green check on him? Are you going to check him again tonight?

No.
Do you think is useful to recheck Odd?

Re: rechecking Odd, I literally don't know. He's my strongest ping on my scumdar right now, but looking at the game right now suggests a high possibility of a deepwolf. It might be more worth checking someone you haven't checked.

Re: Hally, mostly for the same reason I've always townread Hally: genuine scumhunting, general tone, and now her role as mason, since I've read up on it more. For what it's worth, Hally and you (Michelle) are pretty much tied for my strongest townreads.

[Michelle]

Hally you're mason but do you have other role you can talk about ? @Hally

[Strawhenge]

Aw man, I'm really not gonna have a whole lot of time today, I'm sorry. If I survive to D9, I'll put in some work then.

[Michelle]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME and @BoKnows

As I'm sure you're both aware, I'm more than willing to test Esooa's unkillable claim. I'd be interested to knowing more about why you think she's the best chop today, over the peculiarity of SPF and, honestly, the red peek and what-the-fuck late miller claim of yours truly.

I've already talked about this

Oh, okay, I see it now. Yeah, those are good points.

So the failed kill of N2 is Nanook's shot, i forgot,
So mafia don't have a vig

and last night was mafia factional trying to kill Nanook who has a vest given by SPF?
Why would SPF give a vest if she is mafia? This doesn't make sense.

Doesn't a super-kill go through a vest, though? I thought that was the whole point.

Its a two shot vest

Right, but does that mean it has two layers that a kill would have to get through? Or that you can just use it twice? I'm just musing out loud, really; I've never seen the potential combination of a 2-shot vest vs. a super-kill before.

why did you want to know exactly how NAnook's vest is working? This is super wolfy imo

[Michelle]

Aw man, I'm really not gonna have a whole lot of time today, I'm sorry. If I survive to D9, I'll put in some work then.

D9 is kind of too late

Your reason to town read Hally is genuine scumhunting, can you give me an example?

[Michelle]

[Hally]

Hally you're mason but do you have other role you can talk about ? @Hally

no

[Hally]

i am not allowed to claim any part of my role

[Strawhenge]

(snip)
why did you want to know exactly how NAnook's vest is working? This is super wolfy imo

I was asking from a place of not entirely trusting the claim when superkills have been a thing. I had a momentary suspicion that Nanook was scum and was coming up with a mechanical excuse for why a town vig was still alive.

I completely understand why my asking questions about it looks wolfy, though.

[KZA]

Mafia should attempt to kill Esooa imo

[Hally]

no flip yet? rip

[novaselinenever]

This is a true story. The events depicted took place at The Syndicate Forum in April 2021. At the request of the survivors, the names have been changed. Out of respect for the dead, the rest has been told exactly as it occurred.

@KZA [Trooper Darnell] has been super-killed

Trooper Darnell

[Active] - Present as backup in case something goes wrong. Each night, Trooper Darnell may target a player and if an ability fails on them, he'll perform it successfully. He'll learn the effects of the ability he performed and gain a one-shot version of it, however, he'll not know who attempted to perform it.
--- [Next Man Up] - If a player he has assisted dies in the line of duty, Darnell will inherit their active ability permanently.

Wincon - Eliminate all threats to Town

Day 9 starts.
You have 47 hours to decide on an elimination.

[Hally]

what is that kill

@Oddmerta i assume you busdrove him?

[Hally]

i think we basically have to lunch straw today?

not because i particularly want to but he seems like the only sensible option

[Hally]

it’s truly baffling to me that michelle and i are still alive

surely wolves could have found a way to kill us by now

[Esooa]

This is a true story. The events depicted took place at The Syndicate Forum in April 2021. At the request of the survivors, the names have been changed. Out of respect for the dead, the rest has been told exactly as it occurred.

@KZA [Trooper Darnell] has been super-killed

Trooper Darnell

[Active] - Present as backup in case something goes wrong. Each night, Trooper Darnell may target a player and if an ability fails on them, he'll perform it successfully. He'll learn the effects of the ability he performed and gain a one-shot version of it, however, he'll not know who attempted to perform it.
--- [Next Man Up] - If a player he has assisted dies in the line of duty, Darnell will inherit their active ability permanently.

Wincon - Eliminate all threats to Town

Day 9 starts.
You have 47 hours to decide on an elimination.

I told you guys

[Oddmerta]

I swapped Strawhenge and Michelle