AIM Mafia [Town Wins!]

[Justplayingitcool]

Falcon probably never mafia after that last second vote switch?

[Justplayingitcool]

I couldn’t be arsed to submit my btsc and it landed on dana. Rip

[Justplayingitcool]

Ted proooooobably town as well

[falcon45ca]

POE is TSP, Mac, Marmot, & Nook

[falcon45ca]

Tho I'd say it's probably Marmot

[Justplayingitcool]

POE is TSP, Mac, Marmot, & Nook

TSP should be in PoE but really don’t think he is mafia. Had good discussions with him and we discussed sean a fair amount.

Apparently he spent most of the chat playing chess

[falcon45ca]

Ted proooooobably town as well

You, Ted & I are town core.


I don't see the other wolf voting off Ted when Sean was so absent.


Take a look at Marmot once Sean was a CW. He tries a lot of different angles to move to a different wagon IMO. What do you think?

[falcon45ca]

POE is TSP, Mac, Marmot, & Nook

TSP should be in PoE but really don’t think he is mafia. Had good discussions with him and we discussed sean a fair amount.

Apparently he spent most of the chat playing chess

Marmot & Mac are my preferred order. I agree, TSP probably town, but anyone off Sean is POE IMO

[Justplayingitcool]

Ted proooooobably town as well

You, Ted & I are town core.


I don't see the other wolf voting off Ted when Sean was so absent.


Take a look at Marmot once Sean was a CW. He tries a lot of different angles to move to a different wagon IMO. What do you think?

I will reread marmot’s iso some point this day phase. Not convinced he is mafia as it stands.

Im leaning on it being mac/nanook atm

[Justplayingitcool]

Does anyone remember everybody sean targeted?

I think someone made the point he targeted the exact same people as i did iirc. Marmot d1, mac d2 and tsp d3?

How likely is that sean targeted at least one wolf in that three.

The only reason i backed off sean was mac told me he was pretty solvy in his chat. TSP claimed all he dis was play chess.

@Marmot, you had a chat with sean right? What was he like?

[Justplayingitcool]

Hmm yeah on the surface marmot doesn’t look particularly great from the proceedings posts before the yeet. Think i’d need to reread the wagon forming again. All of marmots posts before then was fine iirc.

I think falcon yeah is probably my top townread atm. Helped build the momentum on sean’s wagon and that last minute vote switch likely never comes from mafia.

I want to call ted town for virtue of being the counterwagon. Unlikely to have w/w wagons there. Also felt like mafia wanted ted to topple over.

Think TSP is unlikely to be mafia from AIM chats alone.

[MacDougall]

just gonna sleepwalk to marmot chop today. he can't live after that flip.

should be pretty obvious im not with seanzie if you iso him and I. notwithstanding our btsc has about 6000 words of shit that spews us unaligned and I shared insights from there with nook and falcon.

[Marmot]

Does anyone remember everybody sean targeted?

I think someone made the point he targeted the exact same people as i did iirc. Marmot d1, mac d2 and tsp d3?

How likely is that sean targeted at least one wolf in that three.

The only reason i backed off sean was mac told me he was pretty solvy in his chat. TSP claimed all he dis was play chess.

@Marmot, you had a chat with sean right? What was he like?

I did, he asked a lot about JJJ, which when I compared his behavior in the thread with those conversations, I saw it as him trying to solve JJJ's alignment. In hindsight, he probably just took everything I said and said "Yep, JJJ's one of the strongest town players in the world, I'm NK'ing his ass)

[Marmot]

Idc about being the yeet today, but I'll do some interactive analyses a la JJJ before I go

[MacDougall]

Seanzie and Ted are the mafia

lol if this is accurate tho

[MacDougall]

Idc about being the yeet today, but I'll do some interactive analyses a la JJJ before I go

yeh this game guaranteed to go to f3 at least now means you're dying before then so if town be a good boi and solve the game thx

[tedxtr]

getting a wolf flip on nka

whoever said it doesn't work?

[Marmot]

Idc about being the yeet today, but I'll do some interactive analyses a la JJJ before I go

yeh this game guaranteed to go to f3 at least now means you're dying before then so if town be a good boi and solve the game thx

I gotchu

About to go to a doctor checkup, but I'll solve this game after.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[tedxtr]

tsp's posts on the yeet order seemed tough to fake with sean partner as well

i'll double check it once i have time

[Justplayingitcool]

Please don’t selfvote kthnx

[Justplayingitcool]

Who was it that made the read that wolves wouldn’t target each other d1 again

[tedxtr]

Who was it that made the read that wolves wouldn’t target each other d1 again

tsp has made it first itt but i had the thought before him most likely

[tedxtr]

someone got a btsc chart thingy handy? interested in who esooa was chatting with

Spoiler: show

Day 1:

Bo -> Falcon (assigned)
Dana -> JPIC
Esooa -> Mac
Falcon -> Sean
Gavial -> Marmot
JJJ -> TSP
JPIC -> Marmot
Mac -> Esooa
Marmot -> Nanook
Nanook -> Mac
Sean -> Marmot
Ted -> JPIC
TSP -> Mac


Day 2:

Dana -> Nanook
Esooa -> Dana
Falcon -> Marmot
Gavial -> Nanook
JPIC -> Mac
Mac -> JPIC (assigned)
Marmot -> (JJJ)
Nanook -> (JJJ)
Sean -> Mac
Ted -> Marmot (assigned)
TSP -> Nanook


Day 3:

Dana -> Marmot
Falcon -> Mac (?)
JPIC -> TSP
Mac ->
Marmot -> TSP
Nanook -> Mac
Sean -> TSP
Ted ->
TSP -> Falcon

sean went for marmot

[Justplayingitcool]

And falcon went for sean.

@falcon45ca - why dis you go for sean again?

[Justplayingitcool]

Who did everybody target for chat this phase?

[MacDougall]

getting a wolf flip on nka

whoever said it doesn't work?

it's easy when you put both wolves in a tie tho right

[MacDougall]

Who did everybody target for chat this phase?

I targeted Tedxtr. Dana targeted me.

[tedxtr]

getting a wolf flip on nka

whoever said it doesn't work?

it's easy when you put both wolves in a tie tho right

you're likely gonna die today

say bye bye big boi

[MacDougall]

getting a wolf flip on nka

whoever said it doesn't work?

it's easy when you put both wolves in a tie tho right

you're likely gonna die today

say bye bye big boi

hahaha that is extraordinarily unlikely given I am spewed clear

[MacDougall]

hmu, i'll sned yall sum mixtaps if u join my chat

what genre is it

I've decided that I am basing the entirety of my read on Marmot all game solely based on how he answers this question.

This is a mildly good look for Marmot

I am town!

I care to a non-zero degree about the exclamation mark.

Does that mean you have some numerical degree of care for the exclamation mark?

I think that depends on if Jay is using the surreal numbers here or not, which allow for infinitesimals.

We don't have time for infinitesimals

Is this because you have no time, or simply because you have less time than can be quantified by any positive real?

This is a moderately good look for Falcon

BoKnows-he made jokes so he's town
Dana-cat picture is cute so town
Esooa-opened with hello so mafia
falcon45ca-towny exclamation point
Gavial-hasn't scum slipped yet so town
JaggedJimmyJay-sloonei told me he's town
Justplayingitcool-towniest player alive
MacDougall-easy read town
Marmot-designated day 1 mislynch
Moghedien/Tedxtr-rwstfo
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME-confirmed town
Seanzie-scum claimed so town
TonyStarkPrime-always tunnel him so he's mafia to justify my reads

I specifically told you in wolf chat to keep quiet about my D1 Marmot mislunch plan!

This is a very mildly good look for Marmot

Oh Sloonei isn't in this game


Hardclaim mason with Sean.

Oh, I see how it is... Second choice for mason...

hmu, i'll sned yall sum mixtaps if u join my chat

what genre is it

Beeee do, badde sh-womp womp ska!

Lock!Jester. Never kill, never trust.

Okay now it just looks like marmot and seanzie were openwolfing

Ok how do we break this game

Form our own secret BTSCs using an outdated messenger system?

Kinda awkward interaction

@falcon45ca anyone seem town to you?

People talk about "boomer jokes" like they aren't funny, but Larry David is fucking hilarious and proving you all fools.

I think Falcon's only townread is Larry David.

Falcon is the only person so far that Seanzie appears to genuinely be trying to push. Or at least trying to appear to be genuinely pushing.

Spoiler: show

I was going to post on D0, but my mom is expecting an important call and we only have one phone line, so I won't be able to use my dialup internet any time soon.

I am town!

I care to a non-zero degree about the exclamation mark.

Does that mean you have some numerical degree of care for the exclamation mark?

I think that depends on if Jay is using the surreal numbers here or not, which allow for infinitesimals.

I care to a non-zero degree about the exclamation mark.

Does that mean you have some numerical degree of care for the exclamation mark?

I think that depends on if Jay is using the surreal numbers here or not, which allow for infinitesimals.

We don't have time for infinitesimals

Is this because you have no time, or simply because you have less time than can be quantified by any positive real?

BoKnows-he made jokes so he's town
Dana-cat picture is cute so town
Esooa-opened with hello so mafia
falcon45ca-towny exclamation point
Gavial-hasn't scum slipped yet so town
JaggedJimmyJay-sloonei told me he's town
Justplayingitcool-towniest player alive
MacDougall-easy read town
Marmot-designated day 1 mislynch
Moghedien/Tedxtr-rwstfo
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME-confirmed town
Seanzie-scum claimed so town
TonyStarkPrime-always tunnel him so he's mafia to justify my reads

I specifically told you in wolf chat to keep quiet about my D1 Marmot mislunch plan!

I’m in a church playing allman bros riffs until someone stops me

Do not my cross to bear

I didn't read the message you were quoting, and as such this took me significantly longer to parse than I care to admit.

I find these posts to have a towny tone, and so have a town lean on you!

The "Marmot mislunch plan...I feel.like that's a joke that springs to mind, then a spelling error getting the post out. Wolf would have paid more attention if they were making that joke I think.

If this refers to "mislunch", be assured that is not a spelling error. The second game I played was a cannibal-themed cult game, and the flavor for "yeet" was "lunch", and it has stuck with me since.

Kinda awkward interaction between Falcon and Seanzie tbh. Probs too awkward. Seanzie appears to have a pretty strong grasp on how to wolf. I am getting the impression solving his partner through his ISO is going to be an exercise in futility.

Thanks falcon. Cool beans.

No immediate gripes with your rationale. I derive less overtly "town vibes" from those Esooa posts than you seem to, but I don't find them particularly suspicious either. Given that it's vibes I will leave that alone.

I don't like this post.

Tell me more.

But on a more serious note, I don't like the subtle shade of Esooa here. It feels like you're pushing Falcon to not townread Esooa, but not like in the "I think Esooa is a wolf and you need to re-evaulate to help town" way.

I don't think that's a problem

He's simply not town reading me

I don't think I should be town read at this point

I mean, I don't necessarily disagree, but the post felt like he wanted Falcon to not townread you, which is the thing I don't like.

This is the kinda weird thought that wolves generally don't out with teammates in the mix.

Is falcon itt rn?

if not, then can somebody explain if they got what was the spelling error that falcon referred to in seanzie’s post about a mislunch or something

I think it was mislunch should be mislynch, but sean said he intentionally spelled it mislunch (based on a cannibal themed mafia game he played once)

Maybe it's the 2:30am factor at work, but this near-verbatim recounting just made me laugh a lot

Glad to hear it. I do AIM to please afterall.

I know this is mountaineous, but Made, please make an exception and give me a vig shot. If this isn't punished right now, this whole game is going to be saturated with the same bad pun happening over and over again.

Oh Sloonei isn't in this game


Hardclaim mason with Sean.

No man, I told you in Mason chat choose someone like Esooa.
Sean is one of the prime suspects remember?

Why do we suspect him? I don't remember.

He’s not loud enough.
Needs to come in and be more face screaming.

Oh okay, I'll work on that.

Seanzie appears to be trying to make Marmot look like his partner lol. Their interactions are so bad.

Is falcon itt rn?

if not, then can somebody explain if they got what was the spelling error that falcon referred to in seanzie’s post about a mislunch or something

I think it was mislunch should be mislynch, but sean said he intentionally spelled it mislunch (based on a cannibal themed mafia game he played once)

i’m trying hard to find out why that would result in any type of read whatsoever

@falcon45ca can you explain one more time please?

I thought the misspelling was a mistake from a town trying to post their joke. A wolf would've been more likely to edit the.post, and not be as "in the moment" and make the spelling error.

Of course that theory is totally out the window now that Seanzie has said it was done deliberately

I mean, I can sepll a few things wrong every so often if that helps you find me twon...

More decent interactives for Falcon.

@Seanzie whaddya like about Gavial?

This post:

His interactions with me and his treatment of Mac have felt authentic.

This isn’t gonna stop us from yeeting Mac!
And if he’s scum! Your next!

I don't really agree with what he is saying here, but this just vibes hard like Town!Gavial from the Beezlebub game.

you were in fallout :P

Yes, I was. Is there a point to this comment?

I can give you identical posts from Gav from that game.

Wait, Gavial was in Fallout? Was he dead before I got there?

Gav=ChopChop though yeah I think he died on the phase you subbed in

I did not know that. Hmm, okay, well I'll take a look back at Fallout and reserve judgement on Gav for now.

Not really loving how TSP is appearing out of this ISO so far

Marmot and I are talking about eating bugs in our chat, so uhh... yeah.

this is a weird post to make if they're aligned

sorry im lost, who messed what up?

got one


(dana don't pay any attention to the first part of this message. Esooa and Mac both thought that my read on Gav was based on the fact that Mac TRed Gav and both of them pointed out to me that in fact mac stole that read from esooa. This was not what my read on Gav was based on)

oh i don't like that first part idk if i want to have been got that doesn't sound too great.. but are you implying that you and Gav have btsc today?

I am not implying that.

I see, so what is your read based on then?

i have a running theory that if Gav strongly suspects someone, either they're both town or they're both wolves

This does fit Fallout and Beezelbub pretty well.

There is a particular way that Seanzie is treating TSP that doesn't line up with the way he engages other players. There is a flippance, a whimsy to how he engages with everyone but when he feels the need to engage TSP it's all business. This can be partner indicative. Or it can be because he is intimidated by TSP. I don't necessarily think I believe that he's intimidated by TSP though.

More to come.

So far I have -

Marmot almost too obvious to be mafia.
Falcon as near clear.
TSP as pretty sus.

[falcon45ca]

Idc about being the yeet today, but I'll do some interactive analyses a la JJJ before I go

GTH, who's in your Top 3 POE?

[MacDougall]

I have concluded after 45 seconds of thinking that wolfs have probably not aimed their partner on day 1. this lends itself well to making a w/w table and proceeding with this strategy. i will be doing this at some point in the future.

Does anyone disagree with this rationale?

If TSP or the other person who mentioned it (idr who?) end up flipping wolf, I would re-evaluate, but it seems pretty reasonable to assume.

another not particularly good look for TSP

Four town:
Dana
Esooa
Ted
JPIC

Ordered in terms of confidence. Also, my heart tells me Gav should also go on that list, but I haven't actually gone and looked at how he played as wolf in Fallout yet.

These reads are kinda random. That means they are wifom. But it's interesting to note that Ted and JPIC are here. I feel like this is an intentional red herring. I'm going to take this as good looks for Ted and JPIC tbh.

I’m getting a vague impression on reading that there isn’t a great deal of consensus so far, that the game is a collection of solo solving pockets without cohesion (myself included). That’s not my favorite thing. Maybe this will help me to sort that:

Could everyone please name your top four town reads, or as many as you want/can if not four? Thanks.

Dana Jay Mac Gav Falcon

Can you explain your read on Falcon?

Hmmmmm. Why would he make this post. This is probably the smoking gun post.

Four town:
Dana
Esooa
Ted
JPIC

Ordered in terms of confidence. Also, my heart tells me Gav should also go on that list, but I haven't actually gone and looked at how he played as wolf in Fallout yet.

Why Esooa and ted?

Esooa has come off as very comfortable in the thread, her early joke reads list would attract unwanted attention as scum, but helped get the game going, and a few time I feel like she has asked questions, and then went and sought the answers for herself, which looks like real town curiosity rather than scum asking questions to look busy.

Ted actually bothered to go look at my recent scum game to help try to figure me out. Maybe I am giving too much credit here, but I feel like town is more likely to do something like that than scum.

Hmmmmm points down for Ted.

[MacDougall]

Seanzie do be howling tho.

Seanzie gives off the impression of a wolf who can scarcely summon the will to overcome.

Which makes Bo the most likely teammate.

I looked at sean's ISO, and I'm not seeing this attitude anywhere except maaaaaybe his recent interactions with JJJ. Where do you see it?

His recent interactions with JJJ

Lol, so a wolf who can't summon the will to overcome... targets JJJ?

Tell me more.

I feel pretty good about how JJJ handled me expressing suspicion on him. His response didn't seem to just be OMGUS even though I don't agree with it. On the other hand, Mac's jumping on me feels very wolfy. He wants to paint me as simultaneously a resigned wolf and someone who is pulling advanced wolf tactics out of my ass to win. Which one is it?

I feel pretty good about how JJJ handled me expressing suspicion on him. His response didn't seem to just be OMGUS even though I don't agree with it. On the other hand, Mac's jumping on me feels very wolfy. He wants to paint me as simultaneously a resigned wolf and someone who is pulling advanced wolf tactics out of my ass to win. Which one is it?

That's a very colourful way to describe what I said. Which was that you are coming across like a resigned wolf. Due to how I was reading the way you were flaccidly pushing against Jay like a dude trying to fuck with a soft-on. Now lo and behold you drop the case and decide to OMGUS. I suppose because I have given you something to actually aim at. Please don't mash your soft flaccid peen against me Seanzie. I don't appreciate it.

Do you have anything other than obscenities to respond with? I didn't have a strong scumread of Jay, and I expressed that. You now trying to make that much more into it than it is, and didn't actually respond to my point.

Also, anyone who targeted Mac is probably town.

why do you think this?

@Dana
Let me ask you something.
Before asking this question.
What is your thought thinking of people who targeted Mac and Mac’s current behaviour.
Please give me your opinion as it can help lock your slot as town if your town but I’m going to need more from you to do so.

well I would say Mac's behavior is strange, especially more recently. I guess I would assume that if Mac is not town then his teammate wouldn't have targeted him so the people that did target him are town. but if he is town then it doesn't really say much about the people who targeted him since they could be anyone. current opinion of Mac: kinda sus.

no

Care to elaborate?

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

This 5-way tie reminds me of the time in grade school when we had a pushup competition in gym class and the prize was a new basketball, but five people tied for the win so our gym teacher cut the basketball into five pieces for each of the winners.

TSP pretty fucken townie man.

inb4 it's just Mac and TSP and TSP suggested that people targeting eachother D1 makes them not teamed in order to clear the pair.

I do find it really comical that Mac's POE consists of players that I've just ISO'd and townread.

That just means the mafia is Jay and TSP then.

I agree that Jay's town, but what do you mean by he's out of his scumrange? Aside from the fact where he seems incapable of even randing scum.

There are certain jayisms that are just indicative of him as town. I dunno, at this point I'd be stunned if I ever had a strong Jay townread that was proven wrong.

I don't know the whole history behind Jay and Mac, but I feel even a strong player like Mac would be wary of JJJ pulling the wool over his eyes. Giving a townread, sure, but saying Jay is out of his scumrange? I read that as a joke at first, but apparently it is not. wtf?

this is the part where I am spewed clear btw

[MacDougall]

tsp's brain: "did i vote and forget about it?"

as to Sean: I'm sheeping the general idea of "weird spelling read -> town". I discussed this some earlier, but it may be indecipherable and lacking proper nouns. To reiterate, I don't think I've ever seen falcon's wolf game and this could be sorta bs so it's not a particularly strong read but I think it's decent reasoning for day 1

It was an intentional misspelling based on an inside joke from another game, so I honestly don't think that's a good reason to read someone.

Suspicion levels rising for TSP here.

sean asked me why I townread falcon nothing here has anything to do with how i read sean

How do you read me?

I'm electing not to answer.

Well, that's annoying. Why not?

Because I don't want to.

Hnggggg fuckers fuckers fuckers.

[MacDougall]

placing my spirit vote on macdougall, since i know he’s not getting yeeted toDay

BoKnows seems pretty rand to me

These are exactly the two people I'm considering for my vote. Perhaps with an outside chance of Nook, but BK or Mac would be better IMO.

this feels pockety and also opportunistic, this is ok looks for ted

[MacDougall]

I've been suspicious of Marmot most of the game for reasons I can't say, but some of his more recent posts and our BTSC has looked better recently, so I am not that worried about him anymore.

@Marmot how do you feel about Seanzie in BTSC?

sean has been my most active btsc partner, both on in game matters and out of game matters. He spent like 5 hours last night complaining about to which I nodded my head and just explained "that's Papa Bear, you'll learn to love it".

Marmot is not Seanzie's partner.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: justplayingitcool] aubergine is the mafia I think.

There is a complete absence of interactions between Seanzie and JPIC here. The only mention of him has him in a 4 player wifom townlist for no apparent reason.

[MacDougall]

Just reading back through the logs of my seanzie and jpic chats and yeah they are probs the team.

[MacDougall]

@Justplayingitcool get in here and concede

[Justplayingitcool]

I think i talked to you about sean a few times mac

[Justplayingitcool]

Im town you fool

[MacDougall]

Im town you fool

that's what seanzie said!

[MacDougall]

I'm like

it's either TSP or JPIC. So the game is locked.

[Justplayingitcool]

Look at when i voted sean. Ted was leading four votes to sean’s two.

I removed my vote and moved to sean. There would have been no reason for me to needlessly bus there

[MacDougall]

and by TSP I mean Ted

[Justplayingitcool]

I'm like

it's either TSP or JPIC. So the game is locked.

It’s neither of us imo

[MacDougall]

Look at when i voted sean. Ted was leading four votes to sean’s two.

I removed my vote and moved to sean. There would have been no reason for me to needlessly bus there

yeah I just skimmed your side of the interactions and u look townie, he treated you very waffly and weird so you should have caught him sooner nerd

[MacDougall]

I'm like

it's either TSP or JPIC. So the game is locked.

It’s neither of us imo

When I said TSP I meant to say Tedxtr.

[Justplayingitcool]

I'm like

it's either TSP or JPIC. So the game is locked.

It’s neither of us imo

When I said TSP I meant to say Tedxtr.

Well then maybe. Chances of us having w/w wagons going on there though?

[MacDougall]

I'm like

it's either TSP or JPIC. So the game is locked.

It’s neither of us imo

When I said TSP I meant to say Tedxtr.

Well then maybe. Chances of us having w/w wagons going on there though?

what logical reason would there be for that to not be viable?