Modern Family Hydra Mafia [GAME END]

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what do you mean about jpic's play fitting a wolf archetype?

i talked about this in my d1 post going over their iso

basically a lot of his thoughts seemed like the type of fakeable thoughts on posts you'd give as a wolf. none of his reads particularly struck me as anything that really goes beyond the surface level. or to maybe be slightly more clear, i think a lot of the reads he gave on d1 are just kinda observations anyone could make regardless of alignment that could easily pocket the type of player that sees a mindmeld and townreads it blindly.

[Akemi Hazelnut]

what do you mean about jpic's play fitting a wolf archetype?

i talked about this in my d1 post going over their iso

basically a lot of his thoughts seemed like the type of fakeable thoughts on posts you'd give as a wolf. none of his reads particularly struck me as anything that really goes beyond the surface level. or to maybe be slightly more clear, i think a lot of the reads he gave on d1 are just kinda observations anyone could make regardless of alignment that could easily pocket the type of player that sees a mindmeld and townreads it blindly.

mm maybe. I mostly just get a sense that his thoughts have been organic/genuine but it's been gradual, wasn't as strong on d1

[FalconKnows]

Literally being scum read based off a TR of HV and being told "no, that's not why".



Yes it is, and it's silly. Ridiculous even.

You're being scum read for the slightly opportunistic vote and your reasoning behind it. It's not that ridiculous.

It is. You're assuming HK is town. That's ridiculous.


BK read a post as having TMI. You don't have to agree with his reasoning, but to call it opportunistic when he made a legit read is disingenuous.

this makes me feel like falcon is a wolf and knows that the other slot is a wolf and is upset they're not getting town credit for the bus

What?


You keep inventing new reasons that we're Maf. The timing of this post, the read of that post...so if we're Maf, and the "other slot" HK is Maf, then what the heck is with your other reads on us being opportunistic? What, we're pushing HK who's Maf w/ us? So why don't you vote HK? Why are you TR them?


WTF. Makes no sense

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

im a player who works better as the game moves along and has seen a few flips. i usually get suspected d1

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

that post above was from tsp so i shall let him answer that fk

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Literally being scum read based off a TR of HV and being told "no, that's not why".



Yes it is, and it's silly. Ridiculous even.

You're being scum read for the slightly opportunistic vote and your reasoning behind it. It's not that ridiculous.

It is. You're assuming HK is town. That's ridiculous.


BK read a post as having TMI. You don't have to agree with his reasoning, but to call it opportunistic when he made a legit read is disingenuous.

this makes me feel like falcon is a wolf and knows that the other slot is a wolf and is upset they're not getting town credit for the bus

What?


You keep inventing new reasons that we're Maf. The timing of this post, the read of that post...so if we're Maf, and the "other slot" HK is Maf, then what the heck is with your other reads on us being opportunistic? What, we're pushing HK who's Maf w/ us? So why don't you vote HK? Why are you TR them?


WTF. Makes no sense

Must. Resist. Urge. To. Derpclear.

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We have two clears based on people getting overconfident on mech/angleshooty stuff, and I'd lock both of them in if I didn't just watch a bunch of the people in this list get snowed by Ran doing the exact same thing in CoV. Wanna figure out exactly how solid we are on them.

Personally I'm more confident in Syn by far, with how he instantly pulls out the red yarn and starts building conspiracy maps. I think that combined with the general subtlety of his play simply isn't a LAMIST towncred gambit. Syn simply isn't LAMIST.

I'm a lot more wary with Urist. Mac said that if Urist's town meta is tunneling, that would be his scum meta too. What makes me want to townread his thing in the first place is the sheer absurdity of his point. His flavor is thematic, therefore everyone's flavor must be thematic, therefore the janitor must be Phil because he's a "magician", even though he thinks that the janitor was a passive ability? What the fuck? So many layers to it.

Never going for either of them today anyway so it's not urgent.

Did anyone read this or

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Literally being scum read based off a TR of HV and being told "no, that's not why".



Yes it is, and it's silly. Ridiculous even.

You're being scum read for the slightly opportunistic vote and your reasoning behind it. It's not that ridiculous.

It is. You're assuming HK is town. That's ridiculous.


BK read a post as having TMI. You don't have to agree with his reasoning, but to call it opportunistic when he made a legit read is disingenuous.

this makes me feel like falcon is a wolf and knows that the other slot is a wolf and is upset they're not getting town credit for the bus

What?


You keep inventing new reasons that we're Maf. The timing of this post, the read of that post...so if we're Maf, and the "other slot" HK is Maf, then what the heck is with your other reads on us being opportunistic? What, we're pushing HK who's Maf w/ us? So why don't you vote HK? Why are you TR them?


WTF. Makes no sense

you're saying you pushed on two and through? you never voted on them on d1, and the only "pushing" i see from your slot is calling one of their reads manufactured, and you never followed up after that. sure, you asked them some questions but... i don't see much else.

if you "pushed" on two and through, it was rather uninspiring to say the least.

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

Literally being scum read based off a TR of HV and being told "no, that's not why".



Yes it is, and it's silly. Ridiculous even.

You're being scum read for the slightly opportunistic vote and your reasoning behind it. It's not that ridiculous.

It is. You're assuming HK is town. That's ridiculous.


BK read a post as having TMI. You don't have to agree with his reasoning, but to call it opportunistic when he made a legit read is disingenuous.

this makes me feel like falcon is a wolf and knows that the other slot is a wolf and is upset they're not getting town credit for the bus

What?


You keep inventing new reasons that we're Maf. The timing of this post, the read of that post...so if we're Maf, and the "other slot" HK is Maf, then what the heck is with your other reads on us being opportunistic? What, we're pushing HK who's Maf w/ us? So why don't you vote HK? Why are you TR them?


WTF. Makes no sense

you're saying you pushed on two and through? you never voted on them on d1, and the only "pushing" i see from your slot is calling one of their reads manufactured, and you never followed up after that. sure, you asked them some questions but... i don't see much else.

if you "pushed" on two and through, it was rather uninspiring to say the least.

they meant honey and villager

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

We have two clears based on people getting overconfident on mech/angleshooty stuff, and I'd lock both of them in if I didn't just watch a bunch of the people in this list get snowed by Ran doing the exact same thing in CoV. Wanna figure out exactly how solid we are on them.

Personally I'm more confident in Syn by far, with how he instantly pulls out the red yarn and starts building conspiracy maps. I think that combined with the general subtlety of his play simply isn't a LAMIST towncred gambit. Syn simply isn't LAMIST.

I'm a lot more wary with Urist. Mac said that if Urist's town meta is tunneling, that would be his scum meta too. What makes me want to townread his thing in the first place is the sheer absurdity of his point. His flavor is thematic, therefore everyone's flavor must be thematic, therefore the janitor must be Phil because he's a "magician", even though he thinks that the janitor was a passive ability? What the fuck? So many layers to it.

Never going for either of them today anyway so it's not urgent.

Did anyone read this or

yes

[trans rights]

We have two clears based on people getting overconfident on mech/angleshooty stuff, and I'd lock both of them in if I didn't just watch a bunch of the people in this list get snowed by Ran doing the exact same thing in CoV. Wanna figure out exactly how solid we are on them.

Personally I'm more confident in Syn by far, with how he instantly pulls out the red yarn and starts building conspiracy maps. I think that combined with the general subtlety of his play simply isn't a LAMIST towncred gambit. Syn simply isn't LAMIST.

I'm a lot more wary with Urist. Mac said that if Urist's town meta is tunneling, that would be his scum meta too. What makes me want to townread his thing in the first place is the sheer absurdity of his point. His flavor is thematic, therefore everyone's flavor must be thematic, therefore the janitor must be Phil because he's a "magician", even though he thinks that the janitor was a passive ability? What the fuck? So many layers to it.

Never going for either of them today anyway so it's not urgent.

Did anyone read this or

i read it and am in the same position where i don't think i'm voting either but townread timsuptogettinserious significantly more strongly.

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

oh its honey and vinager lol

[Toopy and Binoo]

We sent them this:
Hello Two and Through! We are the Traitor!
We passively medium a mafia the phase after they die.
We also have a 1-Shot Vanillaizer that we can only use if a dead mafia tells us who to use it on!
If you need proof, we softed traitor in 1202 hoping maybe a scummate would pick up on it
Can you tell us who we should Vanalize and maybe also tell us your scum team? Just so we don’t end up pushing them.
Don’t worry we will avenge you!

They responded with this:
“We passively medium a mafia the phase after they die."
This is obviously a lie since we were town...nice try.

yeah i don't believe this at all

they would obviously not confirm their alignment to a town medium after getting janitored

c'mon

why is everyone tossing out bottom-tier role claims today

Why wouldn't they confirm their role? The "passive mafia" part would've convinced a mafioso, and would've tipped town off that we weren't actually traitor.

Why wouldn't TAT give their role if they were town

Why wouldn’t they just give me their scum team if they were Mafia?

More accurately, why wouldn't they give me a scumteam if they were Mafia. Or any sort of feedback. If I were Mafia, I'd either tell them to vanillarize some rando and probably not give back a scumteam. If someone were less experienced, they might give back a fake scumteam (with the issue that the other couple of players would likely be cleared/killed given the alignment of the first). Or you could have two townies and one scum on the fake team, with a suspicious townie on the roster so people suspect we were given a bad list on the first ML (which would partially clear the rest of the team.

Or they could believe it. There are a lot of things that scum could do with our message, but no response other than "bruh i'm townie u stupid" means they're probably not scum imo.

[trans rights]

ah okay. sorry about that.

regardless, falconknows posts on two and through are noteworthy.

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hi!

[Timsup2gettinserious]

@Mana

Can you look at your posts from 9:00pm EST, May 3rd to 5:00pm EST, May 4th and tell me post-by-post which hydra head was posting?

Also, I'm being yelled at for not remembering there's mech stuff surrounding Mana that makes them suspish. I'll get to that in a bit.

- Hyena

[Timsup2gettinserious]

@Mana

Can you look at your posts from 9:00pm EST, May 3rd to 5:00pm EST, May 4th and tell me post-by-post which hydra head was posting?

Also, I'm being yelled at for not remembering there's mech stuff surrounding Mana that makes them suspish. I'll get to that in a bit.

- Hyena

@Mana

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hi!

Cool, now can we please talk about the actual reasons we have for things instead of you just saying "I agree with your end result" and leaving me equally in the dark as before I asked for input?

[Timsup2gettinserious]

@Mana

Can you look at your posts from 9:00pm EST, May 3rd to 5:00pm EST, May 4th and tell me post-by-post which hydra head was posting?

Also, I'm being yelled at for not remembering there's mech stuff surrounding Mana that makes them suspish. I'll get to that in a bit.

- Hyena

@Mana

Yay, I finally remembered how to do it! \o/

[Timsup2gettinserious]

We sent them this:
Hello Two and Through! We are the Traitor!
We passively medium a mafia the phase after they die.
We also have a 1-Shot Vanillaizer that we can only use if a dead mafia tells us who to use it on!
If you need proof, we softed traitor in 1202 hoping maybe a scummate would pick up on it
Can you tell us who we should Vanalize and maybe also tell us your scum team? Just so we don’t end up pushing them.
Don’t worry we will avenge you!

They responded with this:
“We passively medium a mafia the phase after they die."
This is obviously a lie since we were town...nice try.

yeah i don't believe this at all

they would obviously not confirm their alignment to a town medium after getting janitored

c'mon

why is everyone tossing out bottom-tier role claims today

Why wouldn't they confirm their role? The "passive mafia" part would've convinced a mafioso, and would've tipped town off that we weren't actually traitor.

Why wouldn't TAT give their role if they were town

Why wouldn’t they just give me their scum team if they were Mafia?

More accurately, why wouldn't they give me a scumteam if they were Mafia. Or any sort of feedback. If I were Mafia, I'd either tell them to vanillarize some rando and probably not give back a scumteam. If someone were less experienced, they might give back a fake scumteam (with the issue that the other couple of players would likely be cleared/killed given the alignment of the first). Or you could have two townies and one scum on the fake team, with a suspicious townie on the roster so people suspect we were given a bad list on the first ML (which would partially clear the rest of the team.

Or they could believe it. There are a lot of things that scum could do with our message, but no response other than "bruh i'm townie u stupid" means they're probably not scum imo.

okay no

you're a wolf who just flipped, but it got janitored

town has no idea you're a wolf

you get contacted by a medium

medium claims traitor, but you have to reveal your entire team

you are seriously, genuinely suggesting here

that

a janitored wolf

will reply

and confirm their alignment

which was janitored

???

they would obviously know you're full of shit

the issue here is that if they were town and knew you were lying, they'd offer something more useful than "nice try"

their reply is actually perfect

it's a total disregard of your fake claim and is vague enough that people can still WIFOM about it

people during your absence even said it was NAI, and it's still up in the air whether or not TaT were actually wolves

no better answer to have given as a wolf

their true identity is still unknown

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hi!

Cool, now can we please talk about the actual reasons we have for things instead of you just saying "I agree with your end result" and leaving me equally in the dark as before I asked for input?

i feel like i've talked about this before? i think hyena is independently extremely villagery for him, syn's posts i generally like as well, and honey and vinegar's loverize onto timsuptogettinserious is shady in that they targeted a slot that could be interpreted as "poe but not really poe" and thus can be a wolf for that reason. they're not going to target an obvious villager or anything. otherwise i think they're somewhat villagery but i couldn't really tell you why other than "feelz tm".

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hi!

Cool, now can we please talk about the actual reasons we have for things instead of you just saying "I agree with your end result" and leaving me equally in the dark as before I asked for input?

i feel like i've talked about this before? i think hyena is independently extremely villagery for him, syn's posts i generally like as well, and honey and vinegar's loverize onto timsuptogettinserious is shady in that they targeted a slot that could be interpreted as "poe but not really poe" and thus can be a wolf for that reason. they're not going to target an obvious villager or anything. otherwise i think they're somewhat villagery but i couldn't really tell you why other than "feelz tm".

Okay, but... I listed some specific reasons. Can you say something about them? Anytihng?

[trans rights]

okay i'll talk about why i think hyena is a villager in that case.

hyena's play this game has been fixated on things he always does as a villager; he tends to make posts to reaction test people, he tends to vote randomly, and . to say the very least, this often gets hyena wolfread for doing random stuff like this, but to say the very least, there's a method to his madness. he always has an objective whenever he makes a post as a villager.

No I think they are wrong town that could hurt us if they don’t open their eyes more.
Plus if there is scum within them it’s Trans but I still believe they are TvT.

-Toopy

Which one do you think is the wrong town? Bottom Text or the Alison+Nutella hydra?

Do people not see where others are responding to?
Toopy thinks Trans and Bottom Text is TvT.
If Alison+Nutella no think like that they wrong.
Binoo think Alison+Nutella Towncore.
Me follow Binoo.

-Toopy

Yes, I followed that you thought Trans and Bottom text were TvT.
Who I had asked you about was Alison+Nutella because they thought that Trans and Bottom text were TvS.
You also said that whoever said that Trans and Bottom were NOT TvT could be scum trying to mischop two townspeople, which made me want your read on Alison+Nutella even more.
Your post answers my question about your read on Alison and Nutella at least. Is it correct for me to assume that Alison+Nutella were who you were talking about being the wrong town in the post before this one?

also going to say this post in particular made me close to locking in my v read on hyena. mist also thinks it's a good look, but not quite clearing. regardless, we both strongly townread him.

as a wolf, hyena tends to be more fixated on saving his partners more than anything else; he goes for risky plays as a result. how i can tell the difference is if there's actually objectives to the things he's doing. i think every single post he's made has had an objective to try and get a read on someone, and that thought process is almost certainly coming from a village perspective.

as for syn, i have way less experience, but generally he reads to me as just a cranky villager, with interactions with people like toopy and binoo or two and through. my only other experience with him is in loz mash where he was a wolf, and he was... somewhat similar? but overall his posts here just stick out to me more, as though his crankiness is coming from an annoyance from how people are approaching the game. like especially his interactions with two and through. the way he attacked two and through seems unnecessary given how two and through mostly kept their distance from that slot.

also stuff like the recent question hyena asked to mana. that's specifically coming from a perspective of trying to read made. he's legitimately trying to solve their slot still. if he was a wolf, it's unnecessary. all he'd have to do is park on falconknows and they cruise on. it tells me that hyena doesn't confidently townread mana and is trying to cement their read on them.

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can't be a game from me without shrooping once. that's nai for me specifically btw. that's the main things i needed to note about hyena's gameplay anyways.

[Toopy and Binoo]

We sent them this:
Hello Two and Through! We are the Traitor!
We passively medium a mafia the phase after they die.
We also have a 1-Shot Vanillaizer that we can only use if a dead mafia tells us who to use it on!
If you need proof, we softed traitor in 1202 hoping maybe a scummate would pick up on it
Can you tell us who we should Vanalize and maybe also tell us your scum team? Just so we don’t end up pushing them.
Don’t worry we will avenge you!

They responded with this:
“We passively medium a mafia the phase after they die."
This is obviously a lie since we were town...nice try.

yeah i don't believe this at all

they would obviously not confirm their alignment to a town medium after getting janitored

c'mon

why is everyone tossing out bottom-tier role claims today

Why wouldn't they confirm their role? The "passive mafia" part would've convinced a mafioso, and would've tipped town off that we weren't actually traitor.

Why wouldn't TAT give their role if they were town

Why wouldn’t they just give me their scum team if they were Mafia?

More accurately, why wouldn't they give me a scumteam if they were Mafia. Or any sort of feedback. If I were Mafia, I'd either tell them to vanillarize some rando and probably not give back a scumteam. If someone were less experienced, they might give back a fake scumteam (with the issue that the other couple of players would likely be cleared/killed given the alignment of the first). Or you could have two townies and one scum on the fake team, with a suspicious townie on the roster so people suspect we were given a bad list on the first ML (which would partially clear the rest of the team.

Or they could believe it. There are a lot of things that scum could do with our message, but no response other than "bruh i'm townie u stupid" means they're probably not scum imo.

okay no

you're a wolf who just flipped, but it got janitored

town has no idea you're a wolf

you get contacted by a medium

medium claims traitor, but you have to reveal your entire team

you are seriously, genuinely suggesting here

that

a janitored wolf

will reply

and confirm their alignment

which was janitored

???

they would obviously know you're full of shit

the issue here is that if they were town and knew you were lying, they'd offer something more useful than "nice try"

their reply is actually perfect

it's a total disregard of your fake claim and is vague enough that people can still WIFOM about it

people during your absence even said it was NAI, and it's still up in the air whether or not TaT were actually wolves

no better answer to have given as a wolf

their true identity is still unknown

I guess that depends on your evaluation. I'd value getting rid of an extra phase above my identity; if I could get a ML off of this (assuming a 3-man scumteam), I would honestly just throw a couple of townies in there or a scummmate (depending on how risky I was feeling).

If scum plays their cards right (or if town is dumb enough), a townie gets ML'd, and the other person in that pool looks good (or neutral at worst). I can either kill off the other before MyLo, or leave them around for later and ask why scum hasn't killed them off yet.

If you put one scummate in there, they'll look good if the townie gets killed off. If they get killed, it looks like scum fell for the trap and you get a ML (admittedly, this case is an almost guaranteed lose condition).

It's way riskier, but honestly if I was scum getting killed N1 and it was suddenly 2v10, I'd feel the need to try something, and there are a lot of really good options here. I'd think there's a whole lot to gain by manipulating town

[Toopy and Binoo]

(- Binoooooo)

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there's no reason for w!two and through to actually tell anyone what their team is, and they definitely wouldn't tell it to someone that they don't directly know is a wolf.

[Mana]

@Mana

Can you look at your posts from 9:00pm EST, May 3rd to 5:00pm EST, May 4th and tell me post-by-post which hydra head was posting?

Also, I'm being yelled at for not remembering there's mech stuff surrounding Mana that makes them suspish. I'll get to that in a bit.

- Hyena

in that time period, I (dana) made the first two posts and then these three in the middle:

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https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 27#p779527
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 34#p779534
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 40#p779540

everything else was made until I caught back up early morning on may 5th

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hm. well i understand the point of the post better now but at that point it wouldn't be anything but wifom, and it appears you recognize that.

[trans rights]

besides, if two and through tells a medium they're a wolf, that defeats the purpose of the janitor, which was to obfuscate information.

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hm. well i understand the point of the post better now but at that point it wouldn't be anything but wifom, and it appears you recognize that.

This to me?

My policy with WIFOM is that everything's WIFOM anyway. Would they be likely to WIFOM those things? My answer is hell no for Syn and kinda sorta maybe for Urist.

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Oh rip that definitely wasn't to me LOL

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Oh rip that definitely wasn't to me LOL

it was directed towards toopy and binoo, apologies.

[Toopy and Binoo]

besides, if two and through tells a medium they're a wolf, that defeats the purpose of the janitor, which was to obfuscate information.

Right, but I'd take baiting a ML + mindgames you can play with town as much more valuable than town knowing there's 2 or 3 wolves still out there. There's no condition under which I'd actually give the whole scumteam (that's just stupid), but I'd take possibly buying my scummates a free phase over keeping that info hidden. And when the ML flips town, whatever protective roles town might have would tend toward targeting the other guy (which is an easier NK on a high prio target).

....Now that you mention it, though, I'd probably have just taken the info about him being scum and treat the rest as NAI, knowing that's exactly what I would've done as a wolf. Point taken lol

[Timsup2gettinserious]

@Mana

Can you look at your posts from 9:00pm EST, May 3rd to 5:00pm EST, May 4th and tell me post-by-post which hydra head was posting?

Also, I'm being yelled at for not remembering there's mech stuff surrounding Mana that makes them suspish. I'll get to that in a bit.

- Hyena

in that time period, I (dana) made the first two posts and then these three in the middle:

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https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 27#p779527
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 34#p779534
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 40#p779540

everything else was made until I caught back up early morning on may 5th

Okay, that explains the extreme difference in, like, tone I sensed between those three posts you quoted and the others. The dissonance I noticed was you two switching in and out. I'll ignore it for now then. (note: still townreading this slot now that I know it was not Made that made the posts that bothered me)

- Hyena

[Timsup2gettinserious]

but like actually tho, low volume might just mean low engagement. I don't have anything to say so i'm not saying anything of consequence. that's kinda how that works

you got reads? anything

looking for a scapegoat i found a wolf. falconknow's iso is awful, they're prob just bad
[VOTE: Falconknows] aubergine

Mana, what are you seeing in their iso that is bad?

1. Akemi Hazelnut (Alison & nutella)
2. Bottom Text (Esooa & katze)
3. FalconKnows (falcon45ca & BoKnows)
4. Honey & Vinegar (Urist & Mantisdreamz)
5. Julinook (juliets & NANOOK)
6. Mana (Made & Dana)
7. Poop Explosions (c4e5g3d5 & MacDougall)
8. The Walrus (fingersplints & Roxy)
9. Timsup2gettinserious (Syn & Hyena)
10. TonyStarkPlaysItCool (TonyStarkPrime & Justplayingitcool)
11. Toopy and Binoo (Gavial & Spak)
12. trans rights (vanity & Mistyx)
13. TwoAndThrough (Timsup2nuthin & hollowkatt)

this feels fake, and if not fake, forced. The post before this all about the open wolfing feel like a wolf openwolfing rather than a town openwolfing. I feel like when town open wolfing, town will go "HAHAHA I AM AN AGENT OF CHAO" rather than "hey guys i'm a wolf ". When I open wolf as town, I'm sure to be an unhelpful as possible. I don't get why someone would open wolf and then immediately try to be (or at least try to appear to be) helpful. that's weird to me.

I like this read. Reinforces my belief that Mana is doing similar things to what I do D1.

[Timsup2gettinserious]

I think trans rights overthinking Esooa's post this deeply is probably villagery

Also Mana is an obvious wolf

Okay, so, it looks like this read on Mana was given sometime after the last post I quoted from Mana, but before the next one they made?

Why did you call Mana an obvious wolf at this point? Everything in their ISO up to this point (aside from the stuff that I -just- resolved to be likely towny) seems extremely towny to me. There wasn't any mech stuff surrounding Mana at this point.

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Still think van's a wolf send help

[FalconKnows]

yeah can I just say that I'm playing nothing like my scum game

[Timsup2gettinserious]

I'm starting to get concerned about the Akemi hydra. Them calling Mana scummy was just the latest thing that I've seen that kinda made me nervous.

When Both Nutella and Alison initially pushed on me early D1, I didn't really it was AI at the time, even if it was a little opportunistic. I think worse of it now that they've been calling me extremely towny. I don't understand the progression they made on our slot.

Also, there was the sudden vote on Bottom Text after Bottom Text admitted they were lying to me when I was questioned them.

And then, when I outed that H&V loverized us, it seemed like they were quick to jump on H&V.

I don't think they're obvtown at the moment. Counterpoint of course is that H&V seemed to think they were likely to get NKed N1?

I dunno.

[Timsup2gettinserious]

I'm starting to get concerned about the Akemi hydra. Them calling Mana scummy was just the latest thing that I've seen that kinda made me nervous.

When Both Nutella and Alison initially pushed on me early D1, I didn't really it was AI at the time, even if it was a little opportunistic. I think worse of it now that they've been calling me extremely towny. I don't understand the progression they made on our slot.

Also, there was the sudden vote on Bottom Text after Bottom Text admitted they were lying to me when I was questioned them.

And then, when I outed that H&V loverized us, it seemed like they were quick to jump on H&V.

I don't think they're obvtown at the moment. Counterpoint of course is that H&V seemed to think they were likely to get NKed N1?

I dunno.

- Hyena

[trans rights]

Still think van's a wolf send help

you're incorrigible.

[trans rights]

yeah can I just say that I'm playing nothing like my scum game

show us how or this post is meaningless.

[FalconKnows]

yeah can I just say that I'm playing nothing like my scum game

show us how or this post is meaningless.

scum game I know who is who so I can frame myself into bullshit arguments easier, and push people on stupid reads because I know they're stupid reads and here I don't know anyone alignment and I can't do that so I'm left with my thumb up my ass

[Timsup2gettinserious]

Is it feasible that Akemi and H&V are both scum and that Akemi had H&V loverize me so that Akemi could bus H&V today, gain cred from it, and kill my hydra at the same time?

[Toopy and Binoo]

Binoo may trust you.

"The truth is you could slit my throat
And with my one last gasping breath
I'd apologize for bleeding on your shirt"

Two & through could have been n0 janitor'd or something.
Or d1 janitored when they were a big wagon.
Also possible they were a wolf with a passive self janitor yeah.
I don't think we should play as if he was obv a wolf.

why did I read this as tmi

This seems weird to suggest. Almost like they know something we don;t

Really don't like how Falcon just pops back in thread so shortly after Poop's vote w/ a vote on H&V. They'd completely dropped off my radar as I was reading through; liked their entrance early D1, but they've really sorta done nothing after that; looks like coasting. They didn't even place a vote on H&V the first time they thought that read that like TMI; #2411's the first time they voted so far. If they were interested in putting pressure on H&K and genuinely thought that was TMI, I'd think that they would've at least pushed it a little harder lol.

maybe im just paranoid

[Timsup2gettinserious]

@Poop Explosions
In that one post where you gave the read that there's one scum between myself and H&V and named two other scumreads (might have been FK and Mana?), why did you pair me and H&V together? This is what prompted me to out that H&V loverized us, so you shouldn't have known that we were lovers at that point. But, like, the read on the pair of us felt like it came out of nowhere? Like, almost as if you knew that we had become lovers?

[Poop Explosions]

When Both Nutella and Alison initially pushed on me early D1, I didn't really it was AI at the time, even if it was a little opportunistic. I think worse of it now that they've been calling me extremely towny. I don't understand the progression they made on our slot.

Hold on lemme take a closer look at this

I think worse of it now that they've been calling me extremely towny. I don't understand the progression they made on our slot.

Uh oh
Do you see it

I don't understand the progression they made on our slot.

Uh oh

progression

You don't know what kinda bear you just poked kid

[Poop Explosions]

@Poop Explosions
In that one post where you gave the read that there's one scum between myself and H&V and named two other scumreads (might have been FK and Mana?), why did you pair me and H&V together? This is what prompted me to out that H&V loverized us, so you shouldn't have known that we were lovers at that point. But, like, the read on the pair of us felt like it came out of nowhere? Like, almost as if you knew that we had become lovers?

Unfortunately that was Mac so I don't know if you'd get a good answer even if you were asking him lol