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[Made]

Well considering the whole case against Made is that he has BTSC, and it's pretty far-fetched already, I just don't really see a reason for him to be in the spotlight.

I think it's weird you think an indication of BTSC is not a good foundation for a case. What do you base your cases on, then? What sort of behavior should we be looking for, if not collusion?

I don't know if he has BTSC! I don't know anything! I'm not convinced he does, either. I don't feel strongly about anything. I just know from Misfits that Made walks like he's slipping. The whole thing about BTSC on the chatroom was probably just being playful.

Also lol @ Made "not allowed to ask that." The hosts haven't specified but they can only censor us so much. I think we're allowed to speculate on who's bad, for starters

Here's the other thing to. As far as I'm concerned, even if you know something, you're not allowed to reveal it in thread, or even hint at it, so I'm not sure what you would do even if you knew one way or the other. That is how things are here, I don't know about places you play elsewhere though.

Pretty much this.

[nijuukyugou]

Holy shit. I go for a run and a shower, and this thread has exploded.

I've read through what I can, but since we have until Thursday, I'll do a more thorough read-through before then and when I'm not running off of just about no sleep. From what I see and want to respond to at the moment, I am also in the camp of being against voting low posters. Also, I'm not currently getting the baddie vibe from Made, although llama so graciously gave us his insight, which may be used as evidence if more comes to light. I say I'm not getting the baddie vibe because I see nothing unusual in his behavior so far (compared to his "normal" gameplay, that is :P Made is beautifully unorthodox). But that's really what I'd like to contribute for now. My apologies for not yet adding new insight; my brain just can't handle it at the moment, but will hopefully be more awake tomorrow

God, I need sleep. The first week back to teaching is the devil

(aaaaand the thread just keeps growing :P)

[Enrique]

No, llama. I implied that the idea of Made having BTSC was weak on the first place. If he did, yeah that'd look pretty bad. Which is why I was so happy you brought it up in the first place, if you remember?

The whole "there aren't only Mafia teams" to me read as "it's not just civvies and mafia I could be something else." I was probably wrong on that one. Whatever. Like I said, I have no strong feelings about this.

And oh? Re: Day 0/1. I guess I just misinterpreted you then. Honestly, Day 0 has been refered to as "OT Day," and that's fine by me. I've already expressed this opinion several times. We got our roles but there was no agenda to push and very little game related content. If you find something valuable in there, then alright that's fair, but it isn't even part of the conversation now so I don't know what the matter is.

linki @ metalmarsh: No no you're not reading me right. I have no idea what's up with Made. I'm not convinced by any of the arguments that he has BTSC or is bad. That is all. Innocent till proven guilty and all, right?

[Marmot]

linki @ metalmarsh: No no you're not reading me right. I have no idea what's up with Made. I'm not convinced by any of the arguments that he has BTSC or is bad. That is all. Innocent till proven guilty and all, right?

Well I've got to vote someone today, and if that person isn't obviously guilty, I'll make sure it's the least innocent person I see.

[Made]

Accidentally just spent 4 hours playing mafia.....whoops...... going afk for the night, no one is allowed to make compelling arguements againt me while i'm away.

[thellama73]

No, llama. I implied that the idea of Made having BTSC was weak on the first place. If he did, yeah that'd look pretty bad. Which is why I was so happy you brought it up in the first place, if you remember?

The whole case against Made is that he mayy have BTSC.

Well considering the whole case against Made is that he has BTSC, and it's pretty far-fetched already, I just don't really see a reason for him to be in the spotlight.

Twice you went out of your way to emphasize the phrase "whole case," which to me signifies that you think suspected BTSC is a minor thing to base a case on. I'll ask you a third time, what is a good thing to base a case on?

[Marmot]

Twice you went out of your way to emphasize the phrase "whole case," which to me signifies that you think suspected BTSC is a minor thing to base a case on. I'll ask you a third time, what is a good thing to bake a cake on?

Fixed.

[thellama73]

Twice you went out of your way to emphasize the phrase "whole case," which to me signifies that you think suspected BTSC is a minor thing to base a case on. I'll ask you a third time, what is a good thing to bake a cake on?

Fixed.

A baking sheet?

[Enrique]

Well considering the whole case against Made is that he has BTSC, and it's pretty far-fetched already, I just don't really see a reason for him to be in the spotlight.

What, couldn't bother reading a couple words further?

Look, this is how I see it:

I don't think Made has BTSC.
You do.
SVS does.
SVS thought he was hinting at civvie BTSC.
I make that post.

Can you see what I'm getting at? That post was less about Made and more about SVS pointing out the alleged role claim. When you think someone has BTSC, and you think they're hinting that it's good, is that really a reason to be sure they're not good?

[S~V~S]

Enrique, I don;t believe it to be true if that is his claim. First he tries to refute it, points 1 & 2, and then 3 is, "And if you don't buy that, well, it could be civ BTSC"

I am not trying to paint a target on him, he did that to himself if it is true. I don;t buy it as a defense, based on the totality of his other posts, I guess. He never did address why he out and out lied about checking the chatroom~he did not do so until after I pointed out his inconsistency.

[thellama73]

Well considering the whole case against Made is that he has BTSC, and it's pretty far-fetched already, I just don't really see a reason for him to be in the spotlight.

What, couldn't bother reading a couple words further?

What, couldn't bother to notice a comma and a conjunction? You wrote them, you should be able to see them. That signifies two separate thoughts, the first being that the case is based only on BTSC, of which you seem dismissive.

So I'll ask you a fourth time: What is a good thing to base a case on?

[Epignosis]

Well considering the whole case against Made is that he has BTSC, and it's pretty far-fetched already, I just don't really see a reason for him to be in the spotlight.

What, couldn't bother reading a couple words further?

What, couldn't bother to notice a comma and a conjunction? You wrote them, you should be able to see them. That signifies two separate thoughts, the first being that the case is based only on BTSC, of which you seem dismissive.

So I'll ask you a fourth time: What is a good thing to base a case on?

*Raises hand*

Is it "Not answering the question?"

[Marmot]

Well considering the whole case against Made is that he has BTSC, and it's pretty far-fetched already, I just don't really see a reason for him to be in the spotlight.

What, couldn't bother reading a couple words further?

What, couldn't bother to notice a comma and a conjunction? You wrote them, you should be able to see them. That signifies two separate thoughts, the first being that the case is based only on BTSC, of which you seem dismissive.

So I'll ask you a fourth time: What is a good thing to base a case on?

*Raises hand*

Is it "Not answering the question?"

Who gave you permission to speak?

But yes, you are correct. Now please sit down.

[Epignosis]

Well considering the whole case against Made is that he has BTSC, and it's pretty far-fetched already, I just don't really see a reason for him to be in the spotlight.

What, couldn't bother reading a couple words further?

What, couldn't bother to notice a comma and a conjunction? You wrote them, you should be able to see them. That signifies two separate thoughts, the first being that the case is based only on BTSC, of which you seem dismissive.

So I'll ask you a fourth time: What is a good thing to base a case on?

*Raises hand*

Is it "Not answering the question?"

Who gave you permission to speak?

But yes, you are correct. Now please sit down.

You apparently did not see the middle finger extended from said hand.

[thellama73]

Well considering the whole case against Made is that he has BTSC, and it's pretty far-fetched already, I just don't really see a reason for him to be in the spotlight.

What, couldn't bother reading a couple words further?

What, couldn't bother to notice a comma and a conjunction? You wrote them, you should be able to see them. That signifies two separate thoughts, the first being that the case is based only on BTSC, of which you seem dismissive.

So I'll ask you a fourth time: What is a good thing to base a case on?

*Raises hand*

Is it "Not answering the question?"

Yes. Yes, it is.

[Enrique]

That was not the best worded sentence, I guess. Language barrier etcetera.

But you only need to read my posts from the beginning to know that I don't think Made has BTSC and I never have.

If you can convince me he does, hell yes, that's a great thing to bake a cake on. As would be, I don't know, forming mobs against an easy target? Hesitating about calling him out, then gunning with no mercy even without any new evidence but with reference as to how he plays the game? You know, traditional baddie stuff. Not sure why you needed me to answer this so badly.

In any case, I don't even know what SVS is talking about regarding the lies and whatever. I'm clearly not keeping up with this game as well as I thought lol. I forgot Mafia was so exhausting. I want to say I'll be back later, but I can't even see me leaving??

[Marmot]

You apparently did not see the middle finger extended from said hand.

Would I have reacted differently?

[thellama73]

But you only need to read my posts from the beginning to know that I don't think Made has BTSC and I never have.

Yes, you've made that quite clear, and I still think it's weird.

[Enrique]

I don't think the chatroom slip was such, and he was just making a guess about the Winkers chatroom. As for his "hint," idfk, in Misfits he repeatedly hinted he was bad. I just think he likes to keep an open mind

[thellama73]

forming mobs against an easy target?

How is Made a particularly easy target?

Hesitating about calling him out, then gunning with no mercy even without any new evidence

Oh, I forgot that we're supposed to be merciful with people we think are mafia. Maybe if we ask them nicely they won't kill us. I'm sure they are just misguided and can reform their wicked ways.

but with reference as to how he plays the game?

How people play the game is what gives us clues to their alignment. Only a fool would ignore how someone plays the game.

You know, traditional baddie stuff.

So are you saying you think I am bad? This should be fun.

Not sure why you needed me to answer this so badly.

I expect everyone to answer every question I put to them. When it takes four tries to get a response, I find that suspicious. Did you have to run back to your chatroom to ask your teammates how you ought to respond?

[Enrique]

How is Made a particularly easy target?

He's new, he's zany, he says a lot of things.

Oh, I forgot that we're supposed to be merciful with people we think are mafia. Maybe if we ask them nicely they won't kill us. I'm sure they are just misguided and can reform their wicked ways.

You hesitated about calling him out in the first place. After that the only thing to change was your investment.

How people play the game is what gives us clues to their alignment. Only a fool would ignore how someone plays the game.

Yes. Exactly. You have that reference now. That is what I meant.

So are you saying you think I am bad? This should be fun.

That was my answer to your question. I'm not gonna make you ask this again. Honest answer: I don't fucking know, but I'm definitely not with you on any of this.

I expect everyone to answer every question I put to them. When it takes four tries to get a response, I find that suspicious. Did you have to run back to your chatroom to ask your teammates how you ought to respond?

Wait, I'm sorry, is this the kind of question where the answer will vary depending on my alignment? It looked like a pretty general mafia question. And every time you asked I responded with how you weren't getting me in the first place.

[thellama73]

You hesitated about calling him out in the first place. After that the only thing to change was your investment.

I didn't hesitate at all. I was following a very deliberate plan of releasing my suspicion slowly to see what the reactions were.

[thellama73]

You hesitated about calling him out in the first place. After that the only thing to change was your investment.

I didn't hesitate at all. I was following a very deliberate plan of releasing my suspicion slowly to see what the reactions were.

Like Edward Snowden!

[thellama73]

So are you saying you think I am bad? This should be fun.

Honest answer: I don't fucking know, but I'm definitely not with you on any of this.

My original question was: what is a good basis for a case? You replied by listing all the things that I (according to you) have done and referred to it as traditional baddie behavior. Now you say you have no idea whether I am bad or not?

So either your first answer was a lie and you don't think those things indicate a baddie, or your second answer was a lie and you either think I'm bad and for some reason won't say so, or think I'm good because I am not on your (baddie) team, and don't want to accuse me for fear of exposing yourself.

[Hedgeowl]

Made, do you find anyone suspicious right now?

The only thing that rubbed me the wrong way was BWT's lack of participation during the game. he was there for 2 mintues before the game, but didn't post questions in chat or answer in the thread. He said he had dinner in 2 mintues, around question 7 or 8 so it may be excusable, but still. Most i got.


Also llama called me an idiot



linki

Oh man, Made is just... from what I gathered reading Misfits Mafia, he's not slipping, that's just the way he walks All the constant hinting at being bad for that payoff. It was kinda amazing to watch.

<3 (but seriously tho, saying shit like that'll get me lynched, so don't)
linkie

Nothing Made has said has given me an indication that he has BTSC.

TL:DR
I said something along the lines of, wow, getting the script was smart, chances are the other team doesn't have any,
(note this part is disputed) Then someone said you would know
then i denied i would know

linki
Thanks for not wanting to murder me just yet MP.

Still catching up, but this caught my attention. Made says here his statement was about whether the other team had the script or not and that slip is what llama thinks may have been btsc. Since we did have the script too, then i think thos might not hold up as well, although i was starting to be swayed. I have to keep reading though and see if i still think this at the end.

[Black Rock]

Ok, well I have run out of time to try and catch up so I am not sure if my post will be relevant or not but I am heading out and won't be able to catch up until the morning.

First, if what Made said about the convo in the nudgers chat is true then I believe him. If the speculation is that winkers didn't have the script quickly and he knew then it is wrong.

Second, llama most of what I read from you seems trying to hard and I am not sure what I feel about you and MP

Third, if you actually read the first 9 pages most of it is jokey and not much use to find suspects.

Fourth, if I was (which I'm not) looking at low posters I would not just look at post count and more at content. I sure could have filled up the thread with bullshit and called it ontopic posting too.

Like I said I hope this isn't completely irrelevant and i don't mean to come off as bitchy but I don't have a lot of time to clean up my post. Just putting some of my own thoughts out there.

[thellama73]

It was not clear to me he was referring to the script, Hedgeowl. I wasn't sure what he was referring to, but I thought any presumption to know what the other team was doing looked bad.

linki Black Rock. When it comes to finding baddies and killing them, there's no such thing as trying too hard.

[Epignosis]

Second, llama most of what I read from you seems trying to hard and I am not sure what I feel about you and MP

The reason civilians often lose is because they don't try enough.

Addendum:

[Enrique]

Fuck I don't have the energy for this lol.

I'm not in a team with Made and I think any read of early Day 1 will tell you that. I guess? I don't know. I'll do all the re-read quotey posty stuff later. It's still a terrible suggestion and you're wrong about me. w/e.

linki @ llama: alright dude you're wrong. What I said does line up with baddie behavior, right? That's why you had to deny it's what you were doing. My posts were about Made, then about me. I can't know your alignment and that's just a straight up fact? I'm also not gonna pretend to be super familiar with your playstyle. So yeah just keep being wrong.

Still catching up, but this caught my attention. Made says here his statement was about whether the other team had the script or not and that slip is what llama thinks may have been btsc. Since we did have the script too, then i think thos might not hold up as well, although i was starting to be swayed. I have to keep reading though and see if i still think this at the end.

And you know what.

This.

Jesus Christ this. Am I off the hook yet, if this means Jerome wasn't actually slipping and my defense is valid?

[thellama73]

linki @ llama: alright dude you're wrong. What I said does line up with baddie behavior, right? That's why you had to deny it's what you were doing. My posts were about Made, then about me. I can't know your alignment and that's just a straight up fact? I'm also not gonna pretend to be super familiar with your playstyle. So yeah just keep being wrong.

What am I wrong about? When did I say you were on a team with Made? What did I deny?

You list a bunch of alleged baddie behavior, accuse me of doing it, but then refuse to say you think I'm bad? Just say you think I'm bad! If you won't, then it means you are being insincere or are so afraid of being wrong that you refuse to go out on a limb.

Of course you don't know my alignment. I don;t know anyone's alignment. But that's not going to stop me from suspecting people, calling them out, interrogating them, and voting for them. If it did, we would have no chance of winning at all.

[birdwithteeth11]

Holy shit. I go away for a few hours, and the thread has left a smoldering ruin of destruction in its wake.

As to Made, I think that's very interesting the way he responded to the possible hinting at BTSC in the chatzy thread. I need some time to sit on this one and really think it out. I will say that I think MP, llama, and Enrique (among others) are using it to create some genuine discussion. But my head is swimming and I've tried not to spend a lot of time in front of my laptop tonight. I spent at least 12 hours at work over the last 2 days staring at a computer screen doing training and tests on it, so my eyes needed a bit of a rest lol. And I have 2-3 more days of it too. But tomorrow evening, I will try and get a better idea of what's going on and contribute more.

Linki

[Tangrowth]

Made said something along the lines of "I doubt the other team will be doing what we're doing" referring to our strategy. He immediately followed this up with a bunch of posts saying things like "not that I would know. Actually I have no idea what they're up to." and so on. Not exact wording as we're not allowed to paste from the chats and I don't remember the exact words anyway.

few things wrong with that.

1. someone said something to the tune of "you would know" right after I said that, which is why i said I wouldn't actually know.

2. from what i understand, implying i do know what the other team was doing probably would be considered BTSC.

3.You're assuming their are only Mafia Teams.

MP, what is your opinion of this post? Specifically point #3?

I don't think it's a particularly good defense.

I want to hear more from everyone on this matter. I'm pretty torn on Made right now.

Why do you need everyone else to clarify your own thoughts on Made?

Besides, I've been bad statistically way too many times, especially in full games. I love being a baddie, but even I'm sick of it right now.

Most suspicious thing anyone has said so far.

Are you kidding me? My comment was in jest. Hence the :P face. You know I'd be one of the last people to believe I'm any less likely to be a bad role in a game because statistically every game resets.

I feel like MP is probably staying UTR because he's died early in a lot of games recently (well like always on TS, unfortunately) and playing safe can be a smart move if you tend to draw a lot of fire early. Not that I would at all understand this plight at all. Ahem.

And poop on a paradox, you're being so freakin aggressive, llama.

Lolwut?

What about my gameplay so far has been UTR?

You hesitated about calling him out in the first place. After that the only thing to change was your investment.

I didn't hesitate at all. I was following a very deliberate plan of releasing my suspicion slowly to see what the reactions were.

Like Edward Snowden!

[Tangrowth]

Oh, and I missed your first question, Epig. I don't need anyone else to clarify my own thoughts on Made. Twisting my words much? I just want to hear what everyone else thinks; I never once said it would influence my own thoughts on Made, in fact it would influence my own thoughts on everyone else.

Personally, I'm torn on Made. I will make my own mind up. I do think points made against him have been valid, but I also wonder what kind of baddie would act the way he's acting, and I was absolutely BLOWN AWAY when Made flipped civvie in Misfits. Everything he was doing was baddie 100%. So it makes me wonder whether he's a legitimate lead right now. I've stated all this before.

[thellama73]

All I'm saying is, Enrique seems very sure that Made has no BTSC for no particular reason, but refuses to make a judgment about me either way, despite having much more to work with in our back and forth. Really, Enrique? No opinion? But totally confident about Made.

I'm not buying what he's selling. It's as phony as a three dollar bill.

[Tangrowth]

All I'm saying is, Enrique seems very sure that Made has no BTSC for no particular reason, but refuses to make a judgment about me either way, despite having much more to work with in our back and forth. Really, Enrique? No opinion? But totally confident about Made.

I'm not buying what he's selling. It's as phony as a three dollar bill.

I'm just not seeing it the same way you are. There are other explanations. To me, it just seems Enrique doesn't buy the case that Made has BTSC. Also, Enrique doesn't know you at all and he knows Made from IRC.

I could see Enrique being genuine. He could be bad, but eh, I'm not feeling it.

[Enrique]

Well since you think Made is bad and my whole involvement here is defending Made and you think I'm bad the implication is that you think we're on a team, isn't it? Just how else would you suspect me?

And no dude I'm not gonna pretend to have different opinions than I do. Maybe I am wrong about you, I mean, I don't even know you?? I'm not insencere but I'm not gonna throw out accusations when I don't have a solid read on you aside from being barking at the wrong tree. I defended you earlier, too, when Metalmarsh suggested you and MP were tag-teaming Made. You're free to have your views, it just happens in this case I think you're wrong I'm not gonna commit and say I think you're really bad when this is all I've got. Sorry.

Now, time for a nap. My eyes are closing and I have lots of homework to do but I just keep refreshing and refreshing I missed you guyss!!!

All I'm saying is, Enrique seems very sure that Made has no BTSC for no particular reason, but refuses to make a judgment about me either way, despite having much more to work with in our back and forth. Really, Enrique? No opinion? But totally confident about Made.

No, what? Whether he does or not, your arguments aren't doing anything for me. The chatroom argument, aka the other one, was pretty much already disproven given he was wrong about the other chatroom. So yeah, I wasn't wrong about that, and that's where my involvement ends.

[Enrique]

only* one. Good night

[Hedgeowl]

Ok finished catching up. I dont think Made's statement was a btsc slip-up. I do find juliets remembering differently interesting though, but am not convinced he gets my vote Day 1.

The back and forth between enri and llama so far has pinged me either. I am getting civ vibes from llama so far, and dont know enri's style well enough to say.

[Mongoose]

MP/Epi - My point was more about how (in my opinion) you've not said anything salacious. You've definitely been active and really in the thick of it but without being suspicious. I'm not sure quantity has anything to do with it.

I love a good wall o' text, me.

[Tangrowth]

Ok finished catching up. I dont think Made's statement was a btsc slip-up. I do find juliets remembering differently interesting though, but am not convinced he gets my vote Day 1.

The back and forth between enri and llama so far has pinged me either. I am getting civ vibes from llama so far, and dont know enri's style well enough to say.

I agree; I don't think I see a baddie llama (yet) either. But I'm keeping my eye open.

Frankly, I am beginning to think S~V~S might be worth looking at. I think she's pushing this Made thing and her comment on how she "didn't want to discuss BWT or Dana, only Made" or something to that effect pinged me.

[Hedgeowl]

MP, I just think llama's was a general statement about how new people can be hard to read.

@ metalmarsh: Well actually the only word we have on BWT is that he wasn't active on their chatroom.

I don't like pulling names out of thin air up for discussion like this tbh. Is there anything to discuss about Dana/BWT so far? I'd rather wait for them to show up now that the game started for real.

I don't want to discuss Dana or BWT, I want to discuss Made

@Hedge~ what happens in the Mod forums stays in the mod forums

Linki X2, he meant new to us

Also, i think you meant to address mongoose here. I do remember some pretty heated games though too...

[Tangrowth]

MP/Epi - My point was more about how (in my opinion) you've not said anything salacious. You've definitely been active and really in the thick of it but without being suspicious. I'm not sure quantity has anything to do with it.

I love a good wall o' text, me.

I still don't understand. I was clearly interrogating Enrique and I've given more opinionated statements this game than almost anyone, disregarding Llama and possibly Epig and Enrique. Is there another way you can elaborate somehow?

[thellama73]

Maybe I am wrong about you, I mean, I don't even know you??

How can you be wrong about me? You've refused to express an opinion about me.

All I'm saying is, Enrique seems very sure that Made has no BTSC for no particular reason, but refuses to make a judgment about me either way, despite having much more to work with in our back and forth. Really, Enrique? No opinion? But totally confident about Made.

I'm not buying what he's selling. It's as phony as a three dollar bill.

I'm just not seeing it the same way you are. There are other explanations. To me, it just seems Enrique doesn't buy the case that Made has BTSC. Also, Enrique doesn't know you at all and he knows Made from IRC.

I could see Enrique being genuine. He could be bad, but eh, I'm not feeling it.

MP, let me ask you what you think about the following:

I think X, Y, and Z are baddie behavior.
I think Player P has done X, Y, and Z.
Is Player P a baddie? Oh, I have no idea. Don't ask me.

That is Enrique's characterization of me. Does that not strike you as odd?

[Hedgeowl]

Ok finished catching up. I dont think Made's statement was a btsc slip-up. I do find juliets remembering differently interesting though, but am not convinced he gets my vote Day 1.

The back and forth between enri and llama so far has pinged me either. I am getting civ vibes from llama so far, and dont know enri's style well enough to say.

I agree; I don't think I see a baddie llama (yet) either. But I'm keeping my eye open.

Frankly, I am beginning to think S~V~S might be worth looking at. I think she's pushing this Made thing and her comment on how she "didn't want to discuss BWT or Dana, only Made" or something to that effect pinged me.

I am so bad at reading SVS. She just reads as herself to me most games. Even this last fight club game i was surpised she was a baddie recruit even though it made sense how she went for DH in thread. Only time i was right was when she lead my lynch in homestar runner and i was all "awww giiirrl, no you dinn't. You such a baddie." But then i was dead, so fat lot of help i did.

[Tangrowth]

Maybe I am wrong about you, I mean, I don't even know you??

How can you be wrong about me? You've refused to express an opinion about me.

All I'm saying is, Enrique seems very sure that Made has no BTSC for no particular reason, but refuses to make a judgment about me either way, despite having much more to work with in our back and forth. Really, Enrique? No opinion? But totally confident about Made.

I'm not buying what he's selling. It's as phony as a three dollar bill.

I'm just not seeing it the same way you are. There are other explanations. To me, it just seems Enrique doesn't buy the case that Made has BTSC. Also, Enrique doesn't know you at all and he knows Made from IRC.

I could see Enrique being genuine. He could be bad, but eh, I'm not feeling it.

MP, let me ask you what you think about the following:

I think X, Y, and Z are baddie behavior.
I think Player P has done X, Y, and Z.
Is Player P a baddie? Oh, I have no idea. Don't ask me.

That is Enrique's characterization of me. Does that not strike you as odd?

Oh yeah, it's odd. I'm not arguing that your points aren't valid. But does that make him a baddie?

Civvies unarguably exhibit odd behavior all the time.

So it comes down to whether I think Enrique is being genuine or not, since baddies are typically not genuine with their suspicions.

[S~V~S]

Ok finished catching up. I dont think Made's statement was a btsc slip-up. I do find juliets remembering differently interesting though, but am not convinced he gets my vote Day 1.

The back and forth between enri and llama so far has pinged me either. I am getting civ vibes from llama so far, and dont know enri's style well enough to say.

I agree; I don't think I see a baddie llama (yet) either. But I'm keeping my eye open.

Frankly, I am beginning to think S~V~S might be worth looking at. I think she's pushing this Made thing and her comment on how she "didn't want to discuss BWT or Dana, only Made" or something to that effect pinged me.

i thought that was a deflection, yes, wanting to discuss BWT and Dana for no showing at the challenge. true.

[thellama73]

So it comes down to whether I think Enrique is being genuine or not, since baddies are typically not genuine with their suspicions.

He hasn't expressed any suspicions. That's what worries me.

I do think it might mean he's bad, because I baddie is not going to ant to push a case on a civvie too hard. If he thinks I'm civ, then he will want to discredit me, throw me off the scent, but not actively lead my lynch. His behavior so far fits that pattern.

[S~V~S]

If you pull quotes in context rather than making vague "or something to that effect" comments, you would see what I was going for.

[S~V~S]

(That was at MP, not at Llama)

[Tangrowth]

Ok finished catching up. I dont think Made's statement was a btsc slip-up. I do find juliets remembering differently interesting though, but am not convinced he gets my vote Day 1.

The back and forth between enri and llama so far has pinged me either. I am getting civ vibes from llama so far, and dont know enri's style well enough to say.

I agree; I don't think I see a baddie llama (yet) either. But I'm keeping my eye open.

Frankly, I am beginning to think S~V~S might be worth looking at. I think she's pushing this Made thing and her comment on how she "didn't want to discuss BWT or Dana, only Made" or something to that effect pinged me.

I am so bad at reading SVS. She just reads as herself to me most games. Even this last fight club game i was surpised she was a baddie recruit even though it made sense how she went for DH in thread. Only time i was right was when she lead my lynch in homestar runner and i was all "awww giiirrl, no you dinn't. You such a baddie." But then i was dead, so fat lot of help i did.

In the past, I always used to suspect S~V~S and was incorrect a lot of the time, because the few times I didn't suspect her she was always bad. Then about a year passed and I felt I got a better handle on reading S~V~S, though even now I wouldn't say I'm particularly good at reading her. I haven't actually read her as a baddie in a game in a while. After having just hosted her and been a baddie with her, I just am questioning the vibes I'm getting from a few of her posts.

I'm far from advocating "SHE'S BAD!!" but I do find her fixation with Made to be opportunistic. I actually agree with some of her points; I just am not sure I'm buying that they're necessarily genuine.

I'm a bit wary of a few other players that haven't said much yet... so I'm curious what they will contribute to the discussion. If they don't soon, I'll be calling them out as well. I just need to see more from them before I attempt to make any sort of determination as to possible alignment.

Tons of linki, give me a second here