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Re: [Night 3] Masters of the Universe Mafia

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reywaS wrote: You say he's an indy, but that doesn't make it so beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Not beyond a shadow of a doubt, but why take the risk?
reywaS wrote: How would you have any clue on what Modullok's abilities are? Surviving a lynch is not that hard of a thing to imagine.

I'm looking at thellama to be a Horde member...regardless of whether Timmer is modullok or Zodac. His argument just doesn't make sense and sounds like he knows more about Modullok's power than anyone else.
I have a clue what Modullok's abilities are because I read the description. "get's stronger the longer he fights" would seem to me to indicate weakness early on balanced out by strength late in the game. I would not expect such a power to render him impervious to lynching on only the second day.

I think I have explained my arguments very well, and I don't believe you are truly incapable of understanding my logic. It makes me think you are a baddie trying to sow chaos and confusion wherever you go. Especially the way you followed up BF's (reasonable and well-defended) theory that timmer was really Evil-Lyn deceiving us all, with the nonsensical one that he is Modullok.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.

I don't want to live in that universe.
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Re: [Night 3] Masters of the Universe Mafia

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I agree with reywas. If timmer is baddie which I think he is and one who would survive a lynch ofc his teamies would throw him under the bus to gain civ cred.

I also agree llama is likely mafia
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MP what are your thoughts on daisy now? I feel like she's only been posting about you, saying its probly your civvie game to gain your trust. But thoughts on other issues is just kind of non existent.

To be frank I'm surprised how many people latched onto my theory and ran with it.

Also, FH, what you discussed earlier is really, really interesting to me and I would really love if you'd put that together for us. It's definitely something worth looking into.
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Re: [Night 3] Masters of the Universe Mafia

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thellama73 wrote:
reywaS wrote: You say he's an indy, but that doesn't make it so beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Not beyond a shadow of a doubt, but why take the risk?
reywaS wrote: How would you have any clue on what Modullok's abilities are? Surviving a lynch is not that hard of a thing to imagine.

I'm looking at thellama to be a Horde member...regardless of whether Timmer is modullok or Zodac. His argument just doesn't make sense and sounds like he knows more about Modullok's power than anyone else.
I have a clue what Modullok's abilities are because I read the description. "get's stronger the longer he fights" would seem to me to indicate weakness early on balanced out by strength late in the game. I would not expect such a power to render him impervious to lynching on only the second day.

I think I have explained my arguments very well, and I don't believe you are truly incapable of understanding my logic. It makes me think you are a baddie trying to sow chaos and confusion wherever you go. Especially the way you followed up BF's (reasonable and well-defended) theory that timmer was really Evil-Lyn deceiving us all, with the nonsensical one that he is Modullok.
Nonsensical? LMAO. This is what we call a "No U". You can't properly defend your position or oppose mine, so you throw out a No U.

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And how do you know how powerful the role can become? You are talking like switching a lynch is the most power the role can possibly attain.

I think you are a Horde member, llama.
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reywaS wrote: Epignosis: Are you giving role hints in the posts? Or are they just for story?
The narrative in this event is intended to be a marriage of the Masters of the Universe mythology and the data (read: outcomes) produced by the players performing their roles as they were established from the beginning.

One would therefore be mistaken in thinking that the narrative is purely ornamental, but one would be equally mistaken in thinking that I am "giving role hints."
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Re: [Night 3] Masters of the Universe Mafia

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I chose the first two who volunteered to help with the webstor thing - thellama73 and allalongtheboardwalk.
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reywaS wrote:
I'm looking at thellama to be a Horde member...regardless of whether Timmer is modullok or Zodac. His argument just doesn't make sense and sounds like he knows more about Modullok's power than anyone else.
I'm starting to lean this way, as well. It reminds me of that game at the Piano where aapje was Mr. Popular and i was his teammate. At one point, i randomly started talking about possible secret things that Mr. Popular can do right in the thread, and aapje was all "wtf, dude?" in our BTSC. The point is, sometimes a teammate of a role can be exposed by sounding too familiar with what that role may entail.
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Re: [Night 3] Masters of the Universe Mafia

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thellama73 wrote:
Second, I think he is an indie, in which case only baddies have an incentive to vote for him. Therefore, I will assume that people who vote for him in upcoming days are probably baddies.
One other point to make, here.

Llama, I've got to strongly disagree with the above statement. A civvie has just as much reason to get rid of an indy role as a baddie does, unless the indy's role description makes it clear that they are truly on the side of the civs. If an assumption is made that someone may be a pro-civ indy, it is only that, an assumption.

And just because player A believes Player B is an indy doesn't mean that Players C-G who vote for Player B in a lynch are bad. Remember, if you are a civ, that other civs can simply believe differently than you do.
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I voted for myself (natch) and rey since rey is making some sense right now.
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Re: [Night 3] Masters of the Universe Mafia

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timmer wrote:
reywaS wrote:
I'm looking at thellama to be a Horde member...regardless of whether Timmer is modullok or Zodac. His argument just doesn't make sense and sounds like he knows more about Modullok's power than anyone else.
I'm starting to lean this way, as well. It reminds me of that game at the Piano where aapje was Mr. Popular and i was his teammate. At one point, i randomly started talking about possible secret things that Mr. Popular can do right in the thread, and aapje was all "wtf, dude?" in our BTSC. The point is, sometimes a teammate of a role can be exposed by sounding too familiar with what that role may entail.
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Re: [Night 3] Masters of the Universe Mafia

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LittleTiger still seems like a civ to me so I'm voting for her and myself.
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Re: [Night 3] Masters of the Universe Mafia

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reywaS wrote: Nonsensical? LMAO. This is what we call a "No U". You can't properly defend your position or oppose mine, so you throw out a No U.

I hope everyone else is reading this.
I hope everyone is reading it as well. I have repeatedly defended my theory, whereas you threw out the "timmer might be Modullok" thing without any explanation of why you would think that.
reywaS wrote: I think you are a Horde member, llama.
So you keep saying. You are wrong.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.

I don't want to live in that universe.
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Re: [Night 3] Masters of the Universe Mafia

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Im also voting rey i agree with him on what he has been saying and boardwalk since he wants it.
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timmer wrote:I voted for myself (natch) and rey since rey is making some sense right now.
You think rey is making sense in his relentless advocating for your head on a platter?
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.

I don't want to live in that universe.
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I voted AllAlongtheBoardwalk and thellama.
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Re: [Night 3] Masters of the Universe Mafia

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Btw I'm voting for Boardwalk and llama since they were the first two to volunteer for this task.

Also, I disagree with llama's assumption that Timmer has to be an indy, but I don't think it necessarily makes llama bad. I'd need more evidence to determine that.
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Re: [Night 3] Masters of the Universe Mafia

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thellama73 wrote:
reywaS wrote: Nonsensical? LMAO. This is what we call a "No U". You can't properly defend your position or oppose mine, so you throw out a No U.

I hope everyone else is reading this.
I hope everyone is reading it as well. I have repeatedly defended my theory, whereas you threw out the "timmer might be Modullok" thing without any explanation of why you would think that.
reywaS wrote: I think you are a Horde member, llama.
So you keep saying. You are wrong.
Uh, I brought up the possibility that Timmer could be Modullok on the day he got lynched. I didn't just throw it out there.
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timmer wrote:I voted for myself (natch) and rey since rey is making some sense right now.
You think rey is making sense in his relentless advocating for your head on a platter?
I am NOT calling for his head on a platter. You are turning my words. I am arguing against the assumption that people are making that Timmer has to be the indy. I think he could be the indy...OR Modullok.
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Re: [Night 3] Masters of the Universe Mafia

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Fair enough, but why do think he could be Modullok over any other role? I don't understand the chain of reasoning that led you there and I would love it if you could explain it to me.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.

I don't want to live in that universe.
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Re: [Night 3] Masters of the Universe Mafia

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thellama73 wrote:Fair enough, but why do think he could be Modullok over any other role? I don't understand the chain of reasoning that led you there and I would love it if you could explain it to me.

I've actually already explained my reasoning, but I will do it again. It all hinges on the roles with secrets. I do not think Timmer is a civvie, so I cross off the civvie role with a secret. That leaves:

Evil-Lyn - Wicked illusionist and Skeletor's right hand (Secrets).

Shadow Weaver - Mistress of dark tidings (Secrets)
Modulok - Grows more powerful the longer he fights! (Secrets)

The Sorceress - The Protector of Castle Grayskull, The Sorceress uses her mystical power to guard against the forces of evil. She perishes if all the Eternians are slain. (Secrets)

Zodac - The Cosmic Enforcer (Secrets)


I think Timmer could be Modulok based purely on what the role says....grows more powerful the longer he fights. You brought up that Epig hinted in the post about Timmer possibly being Zodac. Well, I will point right back at that post. What was Timmer doing in the post? He was FIGHTING. The other roles (Shadow Weaver and The Sorceress) don't add up for me for Timmer's role. It makes the most sense that Timmer is either Zodac or Modulok. As for the possibility that Timmer is really Evil-Lyn...that's an interesting theory, but I don't see anything that really points to that being the case.
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Re: [Night 3] Masters of the Universe Mafia

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Voted Boardwalk and Llama because they volunteered.
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Re: [Night 3] Masters of the Universe Mafia

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reywaS wrote:
I've actually already explained my reasoning, but I will do it again. It all hinges on the roles with secrets. I do not think Timmer is a civvie, so I cross off the civvie role with a secret. That leaves:

Evil-Lyn - Wicked illusionist and Skeletor's right hand (Secrets).

Shadow Weaver - Mistress of dark tidings (Secrets)
Modulok - Grows more powerful the longer he fights! (Secrets)

The Sorceress - The Protector of Castle Grayskull, The Sorceress uses her mystical power to guard against the forces of evil. She perishes if all the Eternians are slain. (Secrets)

Zodac - The Cosmic Enforcer (Secrets)


I think Timmer could be Modulok based purely on what the role says....grows more powerful the longer he fights. You brought up that Epig hinted in the post about Timmer possibly being Zodac. Well, I will point right back at that post. What was Timmer doing in the post? He was FIGHTING. The other roles (Shadow Weaver and The Sorceress) don't add up for me for Timmer's role. It makes the most sense that Timmer is either Zodac or Modulok. As for the possibility that Timmer is really Evil-Lyn...that's an interesting theory, but I don't see anything that really points to that being the case.
Interesting points and worth mulling over. I apologize if I missed it when you said this before. From my perspective it looked like out of the blue speculation.

I would also point out that Moss Man is the only role that publicly states he can't be lynched, but I agree that timmer doesn't act like a civvie.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.

I don't want to live in that universe.
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Re: [Night 3] Masters of the Universe Mafia

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I do not know what to make of the poll. It doesn't sound like a reward of any kind to me, so I will also vote for llama and boardwalk since they have volunteered. I don't think I want it as it sounds like there could be some sort of negative consequence possible.
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Hey all, just want to let you know I am alive, and literally just got home from taking Regulation. I don't know if I passed or not, I could foresee either scenario, so we will see when I get my score. I am really fucking mentally worn out though, so I may not be around until after night is over and I have no idea what's even happened, I haven't read anything.
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MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey all, just want to let you know I am alive, and literally just got home from taking Regulation. I don't know if I passed or not, I could foresee either scenario, so we will see when I get my score. I am really fucking mentally worn out though, so I may not be around until after night is over and I have no idea what's even happened, I haven't read anything.
Welcome back and congrats, MP!
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.

I don't want to live in that universe.
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Re: [Night 3] Masters of the Universe Mafia

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Yeah, I don't know what to make of the poll either and since i don't, I will also vote for llama and boardwalk who want it. It makes me think of the jousting contests we had in that rabbit game, and those are not good memories for me!
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I can't believe everyone is voting for boardwalk and llama just because they volunteered. :huh:
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Vompatti wrote:I can't believe everyone is voting for boardwalk and llama just because they volunteered. :huh:
You don't ask, you don't get.

Look out Webstor, here I come! :D
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.

I don't want to live in that universe.
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Re: [Night 3] Masters of the Universe Mafia

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blindfaeth wrote:Also, FH, what you discussed earlier is really, really interesting to me and I would really love if you'd put that together for us. It's definitely something worth looking into.
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AceofSpacesStridorChimparilla & Furlong
AllAlongtheBoardwalkWind RaiderFurlong
birdwithteeth11StridorCrawler & Furlong
blindfaethStridorSpider, Crawler, & Furlong
BoomslangWind Raider--
DFaradayDragon WalkerSpider
DharmaHelper--Chimparilla & Furlong
DisgruntledPorcupine--Spider, Chimparilla, Crawler, & Furlong
DomStridorSpider
ElohcinAttak TrakSpider
Flyin' HighWind RaiderSpider
He-ManBattle Ram--
indigloBattle RamSpider
KateStridorSpider
LittleTigerStridorSpider
MovingPictures07StridorFurlong
orsonkidd--Spider
reywaSStridorSpider
RoxyStridorSpider, Chimparilla, Crawler, & Furlong
RusstifinkoWind RaiderChimparilla & Crawler
Snow DogAttak TrakFurlong
SpacedaisyAttak TrakSpider & Furlong
spaghettiAttak Trak--
thellamaAttak TrakFurlong
TimmerWind RaiderChimparrila
VompattiAttak TrakCrawler & Furlong
Okay, cells that contain -- indicate the player didn't vote (or was dead in the case of Boomslang). I also left off players who didn't vote in either poll as that doesn't really help with this analysis.

There may be nothing to this at all, but since the Stridor voters had info and it appears info on a location, I see the possibility that at least one player might have known what option of the 4 would benefit them (maybe they already had the info that Epignosis shared with us in the night post after the poll ended?).

In looking at this there are 5 players who voted both Stridor and Furlong. Then there are an additional 6 players who did not vote Stridor but voted Furlong. So what I was wondering is if there's a way to determine possible teammates in both comparing this data to who might be subtly supporting each other in the thread.

Now, I know there could be some coincidence in players choosing to vote for Furlong and likely having no idea what it would do. But from this I will likely take a closer look at AllAlongtheBoardwalk, Snow Dog, and thellama because they all voted a non-stridor option in the Day 0 poll and voted only for Furlong in the Night 2 poll (meaning they possibly had a teammate who knew Furlong might be a beneficial option). Again, this might lead to nothing, but it might lead to something too!

Also as an aside I wanted to point out that in making this table I realized that Russtifinko voted for Wind Raider which I found amusing considering he used my vote for Wind Raider as "evidence" of my potential baddieness.

I am going to give my vote tonight to MP and LT because I am for the most part feeling good about both of them and they already have votes.
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Re: [Night 3] Masters of the Universe Mafia

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FH thanks for doing this analysis. It looks like it was a lot of work and is very helpful.

One question - maybe I'm misunderstanding how this analysis works but wouldn't you also want to look more at MP who rode the Strider and voted Furlough? He could potentially be someone who took the info and spread it and also took advantage of it himself. Or are you thinking none of the Stridor people would have used the info themselves for some reason? What am I missing?
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Thank you FH for the voting chart.
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Re: [Night 3] Masters of the Universe Mafia

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Thanks for posting that FH, I like the potential for this. If there are opportunities in the future for this as well it might be interesting. Sadly though we just don't know if anyone had info on that particular poll, but it is something to consider. Note that Roxy picked Furlong, but well, she picked all four lol.

So regarding today's poll. I am going to vote to send MP and myself because we are the two I trust most lol. Personally, I don't see it as an opportunity for a reward or a dangerous situation (the wording was more "oh send two people to take care of this cornered beast.. cornered or whatever word used gave an implication they sounded weak and needed finishing off). I see it as maybe a bad thing if we send baddies. Like it gives them an opportunity to sneak off and be tricky. Like not take care of the beast and sabotage something, idk. I just don't want two random people going off alone away from the group just because they volunteered. I want to send people who won't screw us over, lol.

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Re: [Night 3] Masters of the Universe Mafia

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You think rey is making sense in his relentless advocating for your head on a platter?
There is an awful lot for me to consider and weigh in this game, as there is for everyone else. I think that rey has been saying to you, about your posts, makes perfect sense. You are making assumptions and leaping to conclusions in a way that is pinging me, as I think it is pinging rey.

There are a lot of people who want to see me dead in this game. But llama, if I weren't me, and *I* read some of the posts I made earlier in the game, I'd want me dead too, tbh. There is nothing wrong with people pointing to some of my posts and saying I should be lynched, etc. I put myself in this position.

Ultimately, I think rey has an agenda. I think you have an agenda. I think *I* have an agenda. We all have agendas, and ideas as to how to win this game for our side. I'll fight against whoever fights against me. I'll help whoever I think deserves it. No different than any other game. Thus yeah, rey gets my vote despite him wanting me dead.
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Flyin' High wrote:
Also as an aside I wanted to point out that in making this table I realized that Russtifinko voted for Wind Raider which I found amusing considering he used my vote for Wind Raider as "evidence" of my potential baddieness.
Again, FH, slow your roll. I did not say that the Wind Raider was evidence of your baddieness. However, it was agreed on Day 1 that non-Stridor riders were more likely to be baddies, and I think it would be counterproductive to ignore information that's available. And yes, I did vote Wind Raider. I also voted blindfaeth, just like you. It that brings me under suspicion along with you, so be it. I don't think any of your votes make you look particularly bad, but taken as a whole, it added up to, as I said in my first post about you, a minor suspicion barely worth mentioning.

The one thing I do think is weird is your continuing belief in LT, given that no one has been able to give a better reason for their support of him besides "he seems like a civvie", either before or after the Night 1 vote. If someone could clear up for me what is so innocent about him I would be very grateful.

I hope we can stop talking about this now, as I think plenty of better lynch candidates have presented themselves. I am not running some kind of vendetta against you, and I don't see why you insist on arguing every word I post. I'm frankly very frustrated with you right now, because we're both wasting time discussing this. On to other things...

Lots of people (particularly llama) seem to be running on the assumption that timmer would not die if we lynched him again. However, when we lynched him the first time, he seemed to think that he was going to die soon. That implies to me that he either thought he would be NK'ed or expected another lynch and thought that it would kill him the second time around. This is entirely separate from a discussion of whether he is good or indie, but if people do think he is bad I think they might as well vote for him.
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Also, it seems like any vote at this point is a waste, but AATB and indiglo seemed very gung-ho, so why not?
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Russtifinko wrote: The one thing I do think is weird is your continuing belief in LT, given that no one has been able to give a better reason for their support of him besides "he seems like a civvie", either before or after the Night 1 vote. If someone could clear up for me what is so innocent about him I would be very grateful.
LT is a girl :) But I do agree that it's weird that people keep supporting LT and voting her in these challenges for no apparent reason than "she seems civvie". Which, incidentally, she seems exactly the same to me as she always does.

I am more inclined to think Timmer is an indy at this point, and am concerned as to whether we ought to keep trying to lynch him. But we'll see what happens with the previous lynch first.

*Votes Llama and Boardwalk*
because this sounds potentially dangerous and they volunteered.
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I don't like the idea of voting those 2 just because they volunteered. I voted for myself, because I trust myself implicitly :D , and MoPi because I feel like I could take him out if we had to throw down. :haha: J/K MoPi. I'm voting to congratulate you on taking your test! Good luck!

I don't have much time to post anything else, b/c I'm getting ready to head out the door. So there it is, off I go!

*votes indiglo & MoPi*



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Ill vote all along the boardwalk and indiglo.
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I'd like to hear more from LittleTiger tbh. At the time, she got my vote to receive the shield not because I thought she was a likely civvie but rather because at the time MP and LT were the leading vote getters and I felt a little better about her than MP. Since then, however, she has been rather quiet. I'm not leaning strongly either way on her atm....i'm pretty much 50/50 on her....but the longer she stays in the shadows the more suspicious she becomes IMO.
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This may be a moot point, though, as I am not sure if she was a spider person or not. LOL.
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I'm going to vote for AllAlongtheBoardwalk and thellama73 because they were the first to volunteer.
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Russtifinko wrote:
Flyin' High wrote:
Also as an aside I wanted to point out that in making this table I realized that Russtifinko voted for Wind Raider which I found amusing considering he used my vote for Wind Raider as "evidence" of my potential baddieness.
Again, FH, slow your roll. I did not say that the Wind Raider was evidence of your baddieness. However, it was agreed on Day 1 that non-Stridor riders were more likely to be baddies, and I think it would be counterproductive to ignore information that's available. And yes, I did vote Wind Raider. I also voted blindfaeth, just like you. It that brings me under suspicion along with you, so be it. I don't think any of your votes make you look particularly bad, but taken as a whole, it added up to, as I said in my first post about you, a minor suspicion barely worth mentioning.

The one thing I do think is weird is your continuing belief in LT, given that no one has been able to give a better reason for their support of him besides "he seems like a civvie", either before or after the Night 1 vote. If someone could clear up for me what is so innocent about him I would be very grateful.

I hope we can stop talking about this now, as I think plenty of better lynch candidates have presented themselves. I am not running some kind of vendetta against you, and I don't see why you insist on arguing every word I post. I'm frankly very frustrated with you right now, because we're both wasting time discussing this. On to other things...

Lots of people (particularly llama) seem to be running on the assumption that timmer would not die if we lynched him again. However, when we lynched him the first time, he seemed to think that he was going to die soon. That implies to me that he either thought he would be NK'ed or expected another lynch and thought that it would kill him the second time around. This is entirely separate from a discussion of whether he is good or indie, but if people do think he is bad I think they might as well vote for him.
Wait, hold on a second :eek:

You thought the non-Stridor voters were more suspicious than the Stridor voters, yet you voted me Day 1? You do realize that I came up with that idea right? And Timmer mentioned it soon after. So why are you voting for and suspicious of people who are presenting ideas you agree with? :eye:
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Russtifinko wrote:
Flyin' High wrote:
Also as an aside I wanted to point out that in making this table I realized that Russtifinko voted for Wind Raider which I found amusing considering he used my vote for Wind Raider as "evidence" of my potential baddieness.
Again, FH, slow your roll. I did not say that the Wind Raider was evidence of your baddieness. However, it was agreed on Day 1 that non-Stridor riders were more likely to be baddies, and I think it would be counterproductive to ignore information that's available. And yes, I did vote Wind Raider. I also voted blindfaeth, just like you. It that brings me under suspicion along with you, so be it. I don't think any of your votes make you look particularly bad, but taken as a whole, it added up to, as I said in my first post about you, a minor suspicion barely worth mentioning.

The one thing I do think is weird is your continuing belief in LT, given that no one has been able to give a better reason for their support of him besides "he seems like a civvie", either before or after the Night 1 vote. If someone could clear up for me what is so innocent about him I would be very grateful.

I hope we can stop talking about this now, as I think plenty of better lynch candidates have presented themselves. I am not running some kind of vendetta against you, and I don't see why you insist on arguing every word I post. I'm frankly very frustrated with you right now, because we're both wasting time discussing this. On to other things...

Lots of people (particularly llama) seem to be running on the assumption that timmer would not die if we lynched him again. However, when we lynched him the first time, he seemed to think that he was going to die soon. That implies to me that he either thought he would be NK'ed or expected another lynch and thought that it would kill him the second time around. This is entirely separate from a discussion of whether he is good or indie, but if people do think he is bad I think they might as well vote for him.
I'm sorry that you're very frustrated with me right now. But seriously, am I not allowed to defend myself against what I felt were odd reasons to suspect me?

I agree there are more pressing things to discuss, but since you brought my name up and He-Man agreed with you on your suspicion, I felt inclined to defend myself.

I did not intend to press a nerve by explaining why I thought your reasons for suspecting me were incredibly odd (even moreso since you point out you not only voted Wind Raider like me, but also voted for Blindfaeth like me).

And as for why I'm trusting LT at the moment--she is a very good friend of mine and we can read each other pretty well in mafia games. I am not 100% sure she's a civvie, but I feel better about her than those who have received a slew of votes in this poll simply because they "volunteered". Remind me again why volunteering makes someone trustworthy? :ponder:
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Re: [Night 3] Masters of the Universe Mafia

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Kate wrote:Ill vote all along the boardwalk and indiglo.
Why boardwalk but not thellama?
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juliets wrote:FH thanks for doing this analysis. It looks like it was a lot of work and is very helpful.

One question - maybe I'm misunderstanding how this analysis works but wouldn't you also want to look more at MP who rode the Strider and voted Furlough? He could potentially be someone who took the info and spread it and also took advantage of it himself. Or are you thinking none of the Stridor people would have used the info themselves for some reason? What am I missing?
No, you're not misunderstanding--I mentioned AATB, Snow Dog, and thellama simply because they were people that only voted for Furlong, without having voted Stridor so I thought they might be more likely to have learned from a possible teammate that Furlong was a beneficial option. (And honestly, coupled with AATB and thellama both volunteering for the poll tonight and them receiving a ton of votes for the simple reason that "they volunteered" I didn't think it'd hurt to point our their names as places to look further.

Granted, this is all speculation and more meant to be something we can consider in the long run, rather than meant to be used to crucify someone simply for voting furlong.

I think that this information can prove useful in finding a baddie or two, but only if coupled with thread evidence as well.

Also, I meant to post this earlier but forgot--I am going to be incredibly busy over the next few days and therefore my posting might become more limited. I have to travel out of town to give a professional talk tomorrow. Then I have to drive to Philadelphia on Friday for a wedding which will occupy a great deal of my time over the weekend. The hotel will have internet though so I should still be able to post and hopefully not fall behind in the thread.
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blindfaeth wrote:@spaghetti I miss the pictures you were drawing :(
I've been extremely busy and this game's pictures are hard to draw because I have no background in MOTU :sigh: I'll draw pictures whenever I have time and know enough of whats going on to draw one.

Also, it seems like AATB and thellama have been chosen, and my vote wont make a difference, so i'll choose them too i guess.
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reywaS wrote:I'd like to hear more from LittleTiger tbh. At the time, she got my vote to receive the shield not because I thought she was a likely civvie but rather because at the time MP and LT were the leading vote getters and I felt a little better about her than MP. Since then, however, she has been rather quiet. I'm not leaning strongly either way on her atm....i'm pretty much 50/50 on her....but the longer she stays in the shadows the more suspicious she becomes IMO.
reywaS wrote:This may be a moot point, though, as I am not sure if she was a spider person or not. LOL.
Yes, I was quiet because I ate the wretched spider! I even posted that I hated spiders after Day was over... sorry you missed it.
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That was quite a bit to catch up on! I've not had time to build a case against DH. But I must say that I can't comment on it being forced. I am not forced. I guess we'll find out what he is soon enough, right? And it definitely seems like lynches are going to be revealed at the end of night instead of day, which is interesting, I suppose. I would prefer to have the information sooner though!

Very interesting theory about Evil Lyn and timmer, BF. I hadn't thought of that. I did find it strange so many people went up and ran with it, but it is something I could see happening.

I've wanted to trust timmer since the weird Rox lynch and because llama's theory about him being Zodac made a lot of sense to me. However, even that made me think he needed to be examined, but I wanted to find more SM or Horde (especially Horde) first. I suppose it is still likely timmer is on either baddie team as well, especially if llama is on The Horde and is defending him.

I think what was particularly interesting was the amount of back and forth I just read. Lots of good discussion. Particularly SE v. He-Man and reywaS v. thellama. I could see thellama being on The Horde, if he is indeed baddie. Given he did start the suspicion against Boomslang, unless he is incredibly ballsy, I doubt he is Snake Mountain. I wouldn't say he's #1 in terms of pinging me with baddie vibes at the moment though, especially as I have been leaning more civvie than baddie on him for most of the game. I'll definitely have to look at all of his posts, but I'm not sure where I stand on reywaS or llama. I wouldn't be surprised if either of them flipped civvie or baddie at this point. I would like to feel I can trust both of them, but it's hard to say.

I'm not sure how I feel about FH either. I feel like she is reading civvie to me with most of the things she says, but then she occasionally votes or takes a position that rings not so civvie FH to me. But I'm willing to give her the BOTD. I guess I lump He-Man and BWT in this category as well.

As to LT, I'm reading her as a civvie, despite my run-in with her on Day 1. I'd be surprised if she flipped baddie this game tbh, and I think people need to look closely at posts to see why. I could be wrong here, but I don't think I am, unless she is pulling the wool over my eyes.

As to the DH voters, I agree that some of these people might go up on my suspish meter, especially since I didn't have time to elaborate better other than he's quiet and since he has come back in the thread and contributed. But I still think he could be bad. Definitely. :eye:

For the poll, I voted BF and indiglo, one to BF because I trust him and as a reciprocal vote, and indiglo because I'd like to think I can trust her and as a reciprocal vote. I appreciate what votes I have gotten, but it doesn't seem it'll matter at this point, and I'm not sure what this poll means at all.

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blindfaeth wrote:MP what are your thoughts on daisy now? I feel like she's only been posting about you, saying its probly your civvie game to gain your trust. But thoughts on other issues is just kind of non existent.

To be frank I'm surprised how many people latched onto my theory and ran with it.

Also, FH, what you discussed earlier is really, really interesting to me and I would really love if you'd put that together for us. It's definitely something worth looking into.
You know, I really don't know. I'm getting the same feeling, but I can't tell whether it's because she's trying to gain my trust because we are working for the same alignment or if she's a baddie trying to play off of civvie cred. I do agree she hasn't come up with a whole lot otherwise, and I'm really not sure what to make of that. What was connecting it all together to me before was my crazy theory that she and timmer are linked, but at first it seemed very likely timmer was not Snake Mountain, but now I have no idea what timmer is, so all of that to say, IDK. Lol. I'm sorry, that's not really helpful, but I can't tell right now. I still need to do a good old re-read whenever I get more time. I still think she very well might be baddie.




juliets wrote:FH thanks for doing this analysis. It looks like it was a lot of work and is very helpful.

One question - maybe I'm misunderstanding how this analysis works but wouldn't you also want to look more at MP who rode the Strider and voted Furlough? He could potentially be someone who took the info and spread it and also took advantage of it himself. Or are you thinking none of the Stridor people would have used the info themselves for some reason? What am I missing?
On the topic of FH's analysis, this was very helpful, so thanks FH!

To address juliet's point here, I did state that I chose Ice Mountains, so I had no idea what the poll would do. It is quite likely that no one chose the forest.

But to date, I've still only seen myself and BWT state what options they chose for, but there were more Stridor voters than that. Did I miss anyone else? Why would we choose NOT to share? Seems like someone very well might be withholding something, I don't know.

I also think it's interesting to consider those who voted Non-Stridor and only Furlough. Very interesting theory about the baddie BTSC here. The flipside of that is that we don't know who even chose Forest, if anyone, and people could have easily just chose only panther because they were thinking the same way I was -- and that's that the other three options just sounded even worse. It's all interesting speculation. I do wonder what we can draw from it though.




indiglo wrote:I don't like the idea of voting those 2 just because they volunteered. I voted for myself, because I trust myself implicitly :D , and MoPi because I feel like I could take him out if we had to throw down. :haha: J/K MoPi. I'm voting to congratulate you on taking your test! Good luck!

I don't have much time to post anything else, b/c I'm getting ready to head out the door. So there it is, off I go!

*votes indiglo & MoPi*
LOL, nice to be playing another game with you too, indi! :haha: And thanks!
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Holy long post, Batman! Is that the longest post so far this game or does someone have me beat?
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I keep meaning to mention the Stridor info - I picked Ice Mountains. Not much to say about that place and little to recommend it.
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