The Elder Scrolls [GAME OVER]

[Timsup2nothin]

In that case, today might be MyLo if there's 3 KP tonight and all hit town. I'd like to avoid that.

I'm more interested in your thoughts about Kyle and Marmot than your thoughts about MR at the moment.

One thing that looks super good for MR is the way Falcon posted about him. MR pointed out how Falcon was quick to townread MR for things that didn't merit a townread. In other words, TMIng MR.

That's a large point in his favor considering Falcon is a wolf PR and MR didn't need to say that. You could argue MR did this for distancing purposes, but I doubt he needed to. Especially in a world where Tim is town, he could push Tim instead. Or in a world where Marmot's town, push Marmot. Or either of them, if they are both town. I hope you follow my thought process.

It is unlikely that there will be extra KP tonight unless someone actually learned, and the town seems mostly incapable of learning.

For my part, my hopes for a vig shot are dimly on the horizon and I certainly don't have one tonight.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Btw, there was a wolf at Hircine's shrine.

Useless info to me but maybe that translates to a cop for someone else.

[Vulgard]

Oh. I remember him talking about how Falcon was a wolf and he was going to push there with me. I didn't pay attention to how he actually voted. Lazy of me, I know.

That does look pretty bad in a vacuum.

[Scotty]

I gotta be honest, everyone on the falcon wagon looks good. I also TR Vulgard and MR, so I’m with him- that seems to leave Gavial/Tim/LC/LM in my current POE.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Tim] aubergine

[Timsup2nothin]

Can you link a Daisy towngame? There's one aspect of her play I'd like to verify (whether she does it as town, too).

I just played in Double Elim Mafia with her on this site.

[Scotty]

Oh and jack seems town, even though I read him as baddy bad like 2 days ago

[Scotty]

Btw, there was a wolf at Hircine's shrine.

Useless info to me but maybe that translates to a cop for someone else.

Man, I wished you had done the LC thing and asked where everyone went first.

[Timsup2nothin]

Oh. I remember him talking about how Falcon was a wolf and he was going to push there with me. I didn't pay attention to how he actually voted. Lazy of me, I know.

That does look pretty bad in a vacuum.

Gosh, almost as bad as you bailing off and not voting there either. I said they were likely both wolves and kept them tied at my own expense. If you towny town towns can't figure out that I'm not a wolf from that...get on and chop me I guess, but I am sorely disappointed.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Btw, there was a wolf at Hircine's shrine.

Useless info to me but maybe that translates to a cop for someone else.

Man, I wished you had done the LC thing and asked where everyone went first.

Meh. Wolves could just lie. Plus maybe wolves used a similar power and I don’t want to just give them a razor kill by accidentally having a townie claim their artifact.

[Timsup2nothin]

Btw, there was a wolf at Hircine's shrine.

Useless info to me but maybe that translates to a cop for someone else.

Man, I wished you had done the LC thing and asked where everyone went first.

I have very high hopes that Jack is lying and that's a gambit.

[Timsup2nothin]

I expect wolves to pile on me again, and the fact that two town foolishly beat them to it is really discouraging. Y'all carry on here. I'll maybe be back after a while.

[Scotty]

I expect wolves to pile on me again, and the fact that two town foolishly beat them to it is really discouraging. Y'all carry on here. I'll maybe be back after a while.

Nothing is an inevitability, my dear Tim

We do have another ISO to look through, and while i did a lot last night looking at possible teammate comps, I should go through more people

[Scotty]

Anyone do anything cool last night? I’m beginning to think that my temples are pretty awful and useless

[DaisyCloud]

Can you link a Daisy towngame? There's one aspect of her play I'd like to verify (whether she does it as town, too).

all my games on this site i have randed town. includes this one.

if you are in Mafia Universe my account is DaisyCloud and all my games are except one, maybe 2 is on my profile. you can access them that way. I would link it all here directly but idk how to do that.

my original home site where i started playing TvMs games( what we call mafia games [Town vs Mafia]) got banned. .. That site still has all the games but they are now going to close the site completely and delete the site. i know someone said they will try to save some of the games but idk.

We moved to Discord and our server is the TvM Hub. I could share an invite link to the server and there is a list of 98% of the TvM games ( iirc a couple of the servers used for games got deleted. I know at least 1 of them I played was deleted) , however iirc Marmot asked about something similar.. idk how to link a discord invite. anyway, I played a bunch of them. I don't recall to well which ones tho, and which been my town games and which been my scum ones though.

sorry, trying to help but as I am on mobile idk how to share invites and links directly. also not trying to not fully disclose my games but I take long breaks from playing and when I go back I I remember bits and pieces but nothing to precise.

if you want to you can find me on discord and friend request and I can invite you to our server. I will do my best to tell u which ones I played off the lists.

[Timsup2nothin]

Anyone do anything cool last night? I’m beginning to think that my temples are pretty awful and useless

I tried to get people to visit Mehrunes Dagon shrine to buy snowglobes but it didn't work...I need three sales to be able to take out a writ with the Morag Tong but it is looking out of reach.

[DaisyCloud]

Anyone do anything cool last night? I’m beginning to think that my temples are pretty awful and useless

idk if it's cool or not but I found out some stuffs. idk what it means or not means tho.

[Jackofhearts2005]

My priorities for today are to:

- resolve DaisyCloud. I don't want to rely on one post to clear her.
- verify Gavial.
- discuss.

Kylemii and Marmot exist in that strange limbo where I townread some of their play. Sometimes across many days. But when I compare that to people like Scotty, Jack and MR, they don't hold up.

And yes, I do trust Radishes at this point, still. I'm keeping it in mind that he didn't contribute that much yesterday. He wanted to kill Tim, but unless Tim's a wolf, I can't give him credit for it - even though I pushed Tim too.

I’m like 90% sure Kyle is town.

[DaisyCloud]

Can you link a Daisy towngame? There's one aspect of her play I'd like to verify (whether she does it as town, too).

I'm curious as to what I do. what I do?

[Scotty]

Anyone do anything cool last night? I’m beginning to think that my temples are pretty awful and useless

idk if it's cool or not but I found out some stuffs. idk what it means or not means tho.

Yeah, cool cool. Me too

You know what would be nice? Figuring out how learning someone’s race means anything.

[Scotty]

Can you link a Daisy towngame? There's one aspect of her play I'd like to verify (whether she does it as town, too).

I'm curious as to what I do. what I do?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I have a very hard time making a 3 player wolfteam without Tim even if I had no reason to suspect him and I feel like I have a fair bit.

Same goes for LC only I don’t have a lot of specific reason to suspect LC.

[DaisyCloud]

Anyone do anything cool last night? I’m beginning to think that my temples are pretty awful and useless

idk if it's cool or not but I found out some stuffs. idk what it means or not means tho.

Yeah, cool cool. Me too

You know what would be nice? Figuring out how learning someone’s race means anything.

wouldn't certain races be linked to artifacts or more likely to the princes and maybe certain shrines?

then u could discern perhaps who could be what? and mayhap, based on that decide a player's alignment?

[Scotty]

Speaking of pelts, I gotta review overnight but I suspect I start tomorrow with a "Radish or bust" bumper sticker pasted on my butt.

Is this gonna be your mislynch target today?

[DaisyCloud]

Can you link a Daisy towngame? There's one aspect of her play I'd like to verify (whether she does it as town, too).

I'm curious as to what I do. what I do?

if I have a town tell I wanna know.

if I have a scum one I wanna know too.

I thought I knew my tells and told all of you.

[Scotty]

I have a very hard time making a 3 player wolfteam without Tim even if I had no reason to suspect him and I feel like I have a fair bit.

Same goes for LC only I don’t have a lot of specific reason to suspect LC.

Same.

If we’re being bamboozled and constantly being setup by non posters, then gg wolves. I would actually be peeved to find out the wolf team is actually like LM/Marmot/jack

[Timsup2nothin]

Anyone do anything cool last night? I’m beginning to think that my temples are pretty awful and useless

idk if it's cool or not but I found out some stuffs. idk what it means or not means tho.

Yeah, cool cool. Me too

You know what would be nice? Figuring out how learning someone’s race means anything.

Catch them in a lie? Like after all my claims to being the merchant if you found out I was not an Imperial you'd have a genuine reason to vote me instead of whatever conf bias nonsense you are feeding on currently.

I'm gonna say this one more time because it is so damn frustrating. When the wagons were me and Falcon and I was already well ahead WTF makes you think I, as a wolf, would pile on Falcon and fight my ass off instead of just laying down and eating the chop there? Ask Jack...in what fucking world am I that bad of a wolf?

[Timsup2nothin]

Speaking of pelts, I gotta review overnight but I suspect I start tomorrow with a "Radish or bust" bumper sticker pasted on my butt.

Is this gonna be your mislynch target today?

That's my "he's just a wolf and how are you still on me you dumb towns" target, yes.

[Long Con]

Team us Vulgard, Gavial, and Kyle. They don't know who the 3p is. I can see it all in Vulgard's posts today. Read them with that in mind... who he talks about, how he mentions them, etc. Side mentions with other players only, and focus on the other guy.

[Scotty]

Can you link a Daisy towngame? There's one aspect of her play I'd like to verify (whether she does it as town, too).

I'm curious as to what I do. what I do?

if I have a town tell I wanna know.

if I have a scum one I wanna know too.

I thought I knew my tells and told all of you.

I actually don’t know what your tell is because I’ve never read another one of your games.

I’ve played literally *thousands* of Resistance/Avalon games and I’ve been told my tell is one thing, so I change it and mix it up over the next few games just enough so that my tell changes. Then it becomes obvious again, like simba being born, circle of life.

If I acted the same way I do in those games IRL you’d want to put cotton in your ears while playing with me because I’m completely unpredictable and it pisses people off.

My point is that...
Hmm what was my point?

I’m terrible at tells

[Timsup2nothin]

I have a very hard time making a 3 player wolfteam without Tim even if I had no reason to suspect him and I feel like I have a fair bit.

Same goes for LC only I don’t have a lot of specific reason to suspect LC.

Radish, Marmot, Lost Monkey...from my POV an easy possibility that you should be able to immediately think "hmmm, could be" about...without even having to dismiss obvious facts with "well, wolf Tim could do just anything so I never clear him ever."

[Scotty]

Anyone do anything cool last night? I’m beginning to think that my temples are pretty awful and useless

idk if it's cool or not but I found out some stuffs. idk what it means or not means tho.

Yeah, cool cool. Me too

You know what would be nice? Figuring out how learning someone’s race means anything.

Catch them in a lie? Like after all my claims to being the merchant if you found out I was not an Imperial you'd have a genuine reason to vote me instead of whatever conf bias nonsense you are feeding on currently.

I'm gonna say this one more time because it is so damn frustrating. When the wagons were me and Falcon and I was already well ahead WTF makes you think I, as a wolf, would pile on Falcon and fight my ass off instead of just laying down and eating the chop there? Ask Jack...in what fucking world am I that bad of a wolf?

You didn’t need to pile on falcon. When you switched to marmot it was a 3-3-3 tie, was it not? Then when falcon took the lead by 2, you didn’t need to move. I mean, you could have, and my opinion might have swung either way saying “well he bussed him” or “he’s town”.

You didn’t bus him, because he was a good mafia role.

[Timsup2nothin]

Team us Vulgard, Gavial, and Kyle. They don't know who the 3p is. I can see it all in Vulgard's posts today. Read them with that in mind... who he talks about, how he mentions them, etc. Side mentions with other players only, and focus on the other guy.

Sub Radishes for Vulgard and consider Vulgard a dupe...how does it look then?

I was hoping you at least would pick up on meeting me at Mehrunes Fagon's shrine so I hope you got something interesting from the night.

[Scotty]

Team us Vulgard, Gavial, and Kyle. They don't know who the 3p is. I can see it all in Vulgard's posts today. Read them with that in mind... who he talks about, how he mentions them, etc. Side mentions with other players only, and focus on the other guy.

I’m willing to look at all options.

Sounds like a significant overlap with Gavial being a huge wildcard.

Gavial, are you on anyone’s team?

[DaisyCloud]

Anyone do anything cool last night? I’m beginning to think that my temples are pretty awful and useless

idk if it's cool or not but I found out some stuffs. idk what it means or not means tho.

Yeah, cool cool. Me too

You know what would be nice? Figuring out how learning someone’s race means anything.

Catch them in a lie? Like after all my claims to being the merchant if you found out I was not an Imperial you'd have a genuine reason to vote me instead of whatever conf bias nonsense you are feeding on currently.

I'm gonna say this one more time because it is so damn frustrating. When the wagons were me and Falcon and I was already well ahead WTF makes you think I, as a wolf, would pile on Falcon and fight my ass off instead of just laying down and eating the chop there? Ask Jack...in what fucking world am I that bad of a wolf?

You didn’t need to pile on falcon. When you switched to marmot it was a 3-3-3 tie, was it not? Then when falcon took the lead by 2, you didn’t need to move. I mean, you could have, and my opinion might have swung either way saying “well he bussed him” or “he’s town”.

You didn’t bus him, because he was a good mafia role.

do u know my race?

[Scotty]

Anyone do anything cool last night? I’m beginning to think that my temples are pretty awful and useless

idk if it's cool or not but I found out some stuffs. idk what it means or not means tho.

Yeah, cool cool. Me too

You know what would be nice? Figuring out how learning someone’s race means anything.

Catch them in a lie? Like after all my claims to being the merchant if you found out I was not an Imperial you'd have a genuine reason to vote me instead of whatever conf bias nonsense you are feeding on currently.

I'm gonna say this one more time because it is so damn frustrating. When the wagons were me and Falcon and I was already well ahead WTF makes you think I, as a wolf, would pile on Falcon and fight my ass off instead of just laying down and eating the chop there? Ask Jack...in what fucking world am I that bad of a wolf?

You didn’t need to pile on falcon. When you switched to marmot it was a 3-3-3 tie, was it not? Then when falcon took the lead by 2, you didn’t need to move. I mean, you could have, and my opinion might have swung either way saying “well he bussed him” or “he’s town”.

You didn’t bus him, because he was a good mafia role.

do u know my race?

No, but I do hope you win it

[Scotty]

Me leading town has gotten nowhere. I feel exasperatingly rusty from my multi year hiatus and hate where we are right now

[Timsup2nothin]

Anyone do anything cool last night? I’m beginning to think that my temples are pretty awful and useless

idk if it's cool or not but I found out some stuffs. idk what it means or not means tho.

Yeah, cool cool. Me too

You know what would be nice? Figuring out how learning someone’s race means anything.

Catch them in a lie? Like after all my claims to being the merchant if you found out I was not an Imperial you'd have a genuine reason to vote me instead of whatever conf bias nonsense you are feeding on currently.

I'm gonna say this one more time because it is so damn frustrating. When the wagons were me and Falcon and I was already well ahead WTF makes you think I, as a wolf, would pile on Falcon and fight my ass off instead of just laying down and eating the chop there? Ask Jack...in what fucking world am I that bad of a wolf?

You didn’t need to pile on falcon. When you switched to marmot it was a 3-3-3 tie, was it not? Then when falcon took the lead by 2, you didn’t need to move. I mean, you could have, and my opinion might have swung either way saying “well he bussed him” or “he’s town”.

You didn’t bus him, because he was a good mafia role.

I switched to Marmot FROM Falcon. I piled on Falcon behind Vulgard and MADE HIM A WAGON. Why, as a wolf do I do that?

[Scotty]

Anyone do anything cool last night? I’m beginning to think that my temples are pretty awful and useless

idk if it's cool or not but I found out some stuffs. idk what it means or not means tho.

Yeah, cool cool. Me too

You know what would be nice? Figuring out how learning someone’s race means anything.

Catch them in a lie? Like after all my claims to being the merchant if you found out I was not an Imperial you'd have a genuine reason to vote me instead of whatever conf bias nonsense you are feeding on currently.

I'm gonna say this one more time because it is so damn frustrating. When the wagons were me and Falcon and I was already well ahead WTF makes you think I, as a wolf, would pile on Falcon and fight my ass off instead of just laying down and eating the chop there? Ask Jack...in what fucking world am I that bad of a wolf?

You didn’t need to pile on falcon. When you switched to marmot it was a 3-3-3 tie, was it not? Then when falcon took the lead by 2, you didn’t need to move. I mean, you could have, and my opinion might have swung either way saying “well he bussed him” or “he’s town”.

You didn’t bus him, because he was a good mafia role.

I switched to Marmot FROM Falcon. I piled on Falcon behind Vulgard and MADE HIM A WAGON. Why, as a wolf do I do that?

Tit for tat- why leave falcon?

[Kylemii]

daisycloud is probably town

[Timsup2nothin]

Enter Jack saying "for the WIFOM...sure anyone but Tim I buy that, but always chop Tim no matter what."

[Kylemii]

if daisycloud is mafia then this is the first time she's ever voted for a teammate, i don't see her breaking that streak here, for this

[Scotty]

Anyone do anything cool last night? I’m beginning to think that my temples are pretty awful and useless

idk if it's cool or not but I found out some stuffs. idk what it means or not means tho.

Yeah, cool cool. Me too

You know what would be nice? Figuring out how learning someone’s race means anything.

wouldn't certain races be linked to artifacts or more likely to the princes and maybe certain shrines?

then u could discern perhaps who could be what? and mayhap, based on that decide a player's alignment?

I don’t think so, based on the fact that we learned Breton monk was a mafia and Breton [other role] was town.

I don’t know enough about the game to gesticulate the artifact affiliation.
Plus we just have that 1 artifact left, so meh.

[Long Con]

if daisycloud is mafia then this is the first time she's ever voted for a teammate, i don't see her breaking that streak here, for this

If Daisycloud is Mafia, she is very skilled at appearing towny.

[Timsup2nothin]

Anyone do anything cool last night? I’m beginning to think that my temples are pretty awful and useless

idk if it's cool or not but I found out some stuffs. idk what it means or not means tho.

Yeah, cool cool. Me too

You know what would be nice? Figuring out how learning someone’s race means anything.

Catch them in a lie? Like after all my claims to being the merchant if you found out I was not an Imperial you'd have a genuine reason to vote me instead of whatever conf bias nonsense you are feeding on currently.

I'm gonna say this one more time because it is so damn frustrating. When the wagons were me and Falcon and I was already well ahead WTF makes you think I, as a wolf, would pile on Falcon and fight my ass off instead of just laying down and eating the chop there? Ask Jack...in what fucking world am I that bad of a wolf?

You didn’t need to pile on falcon. When you switched to marmot it was a 3-3-3 tie, was it not? Then when falcon took the lead by 2, you didn’t need to move. I mean, you could have, and my opinion might have swung either way saying “well he bussed him” or “he’s town”.

You didn’t bus him, because he was a good mafia role.

I switched to Marmot FROM Falcon. I piled on Falcon behind Vulgard and MADE HIM A WAGON. Why, as a wolf do I do that?

Tit for tat- why leave falcon?

Because I thought when Vulgard and Radishes abandoned their cases on Falcon and voted me instead that I was being set up. I never made a case on Falcon, I just sheeped theirs. "Yeah I am sheeping these guys on Falcon and oh yeah both of them are voting me" is a stupid position, so I got out of it. I could at least push Marmot with my own case.

I still think there were two wolf wagons there and i wasn't one of them, by the way.

[Scotty]

Voters for falcon: Daisy, jack, marmot, Kyle, TSP, nacho

Marmot is the only one that looks remotely scum on that because he was just saving himself.

BUT even saving himself makes me wonder if he would do that if he were bad. It would tell me his role is more powerful, or he’s just selfish. Because losing the razor is shit for mafia, I feel. Wouldn’t you just take the fall? I don’t know.

[DaisyCloud]

Anyone do anything cool last night? I’m beginning to think that my temples are pretty awful and useless

idk if it's cool or not but I found out some stuffs. idk what it means or not means tho.

Yeah, cool cool. Me too

You know what would be nice? Figuring out how learning someone’s race means anything.

wouldn't certain races be linked to artifacts or more likely to the princes and maybe certain shrines?

then u could discern perhaps who could be what? and mayhap, based on that decide a player's alignment?

I don’t think so, based on the fact that we learned Breton monk was a mafia and Breton [other role] was town.

I don’t know enough about the game to gesticulate the artifact affiliation.
Plus we just have that 1 artifact left, so meh.

oh then I got no idea. a good question to ask host post game.




side note: so, do u mean you think I am 3rd party? I'm not. of i win thrn town wins. I don't think u r 3rd party so not sure what u mean when you want me to win. shouldn't u want to win too?

[Long Con]

I was on Falcon because I did not want Tim to be yeeted. I switched it to Marmot because it looked like things were going that way, then I had to go and do dinner with the family and I'm glad that the falcon thing went through.

[Timsup2nothin]

Anyone do anything cool last night? I’m beginning to think that my temples are pretty awful and useless

idk if it's cool or not but I found out some stuffs. idk what it means or not means tho.

Yeah, cool cool. Me too

You know what would be nice? Figuring out how learning someone’s race means anything.

wouldn't certain races be linked to artifacts or more likely to the princes and maybe certain shrines?

then u could discern perhaps who could be what? and mayhap, based on that decide a player's alignment?

I don’t think so, based on the fact that we learned Breton monk was a mafia and Breton [other role] was town.

I don’t know enough about the game to gesticulate the artifact affiliation.
Plus we just have that 1 artifact left, so meh.

I am pretty sure that the race/role stuff was randed separately from the mafia/3P/PR stuff. From an Elder Scrolls perspective there has not been any connection between race/class of the artifact holders/wolf flips and their artifacts and alignments.

[Scotty]

idk if it's cool or not but I found out some stuffs. idk what it means or not means tho.

Yeah, cool cool. Me too

You know what would be nice? Figuring out how learning someone’s race means anything.

Catch them in a lie? Like after all my claims to being the merchant if you found out I was not an Imperial you'd have a genuine reason to vote me instead of whatever conf bias nonsense you are feeding on currently.

I'm gonna say this one more time because it is so damn frustrating. When the wagons were me and Falcon and I was already well ahead WTF makes you think I, as a wolf, would pile on Falcon and fight my ass off instead of just laying down and eating the chop there? Ask Jack...in what fucking world am I that bad of a wolf?

You didn’t need to pile on falcon. When you switched to marmot it was a 3-3-3 tie, was it not? Then when falcon took the lead by 2, you didn’t need to move. I mean, you could have, and my opinion might have swung either way saying “well he bussed him” or “he’s town”.

You didn’t bus him, because he was a good mafia role.

I switched to Marmot FROM Falcon. I piled on Falcon behind Vulgard and MADE HIM A WAGON. Why, as a wolf do I do that?

Tit for tat- why leave falcon?

Because I thought when Vulgard and Radishes abandoned their cases on Falcon and voted me instead that I was being set up. I never made a case on Falcon, I just sheeped theirs. "Yeah I am sheeping these guys on Falcon and oh yeah both of them are voting me" is a stupid position, so I got out of it. I could at least push Marmot with my own case.

I still think there were two wolf wagons there and i wasn't one of them, by the way.

Tim- know that I’m going to actually look into this today because I need to do a better job at looking at the game in a day by day basis.

I’ll look at Vulgard and MR to get a better feel for their input