The Elder Scrolls [GAME OVER]

[Gavial]

RN it’s -) 9V3V1

[DaisyCloud]

That was not the ideal vig shot at all. Maybe there really is a serial killer. But N4 we were due for a vig shot so still probably not.

@Gavial who did you track and where did they go...and if you say you tracked Made I will slaughter you today, just so you know.

I tracked you but the mods haven’t given me a result yet.

Wanted to prove your innocence that you aren’t mafia but SK.

Like I’m kinda annoyed I didn’t get my result yet.
I wanna see what kill is the SK’s Kill.
My guess is they visited Nacco though.

GIVE ME MY RESULT SLOON!
WAKE UP!

iirc you are supposed to just talk about this sort of thing with host and host only.

this has 0 bearing on the game and your alignment.

you seem to try and force angelshooting and that is wrong and messed up.

[Timsup2nothin]

Wanted to prove your innocence that you aren’t mafia but SK.

If I am the serial killer how does tracking me to a kill "prove my innocence"? smh.

But okay at least I was a decent tracking target. Would have been nice if you had managed to track someone to the kill on Made, but sure.

[Gavial]

That was not the ideal vig shot at all. Maybe there really is a serial killer. But N4 we were due for a vig shot so still probably not.

@Gavial who did you track and where did they go...and if you say you tracked Made I will slaughter you today, just so you know.

I tracked you but the mods haven’t given me a result yet.

Wanted to prove your innocence that you aren’t mafia but SK.

Like I’m kinda annoyed I didn’t get my result yet.
I wanna see what kill is the SK’s Kill.
My guess is they visited Nacco though.

GIVE ME MY RESULT SLOON!
WAKE UP!

iirc you are supposed to just talk about this sort of thing with host and host only.

this has 0 bearing on the game and your alignment.

you seem to try and force angelshooting and that is wrong and messed up.

My bad if it’s angle shooting.
I’m just irritated.

[Timsup2nothin]

I appreciate the effort and will stop screaming at you.

FWIW, my alignment aside I live and by by watching movements at EoD. I generally get a lot more information that way than any other. That's why you see me and Mac as potential partners (in alignment) because we were partnery at EoDs...but it's because we play the same way in that respect. I am more considered in my movements where Mac just wildly flings votes (IMO), but we are both moving to cause movements more than we are following particular reads.

It’s not just your EoDs that are troubling, but I am harping on those because I see a pattern, and it’s not catching scum while still being entrenched as the town voice.

Also you passed me in highest poster sometime yesterday, so there’s that.

NAI...I post a lot when I am on defense.

And yeah, I've said it myself that when I don't have pelts I am hard to trust, so I understand. But seriously, "I helped start a wagon on the most powerful wolf just so that I could wifom off it if he did flip" is just bad wolf play no matter how you look at it, and the one thing I think everyone will agree on is that if you find yourself saying "yeah bad play but wolves just make bad plays sometimes so Tim"...I'm not that wolf. I may not be great town, but when I play wolf I am three steps ahead on every path.

I don’t remember you “starting” the wagon. But I also don’t have the patience to look all the way back through through the various vote orders yesterday

But point taken.

Hey, how do you read LC right now?

My only alignment indicative thing on LC is that he stepped in day one when I was potentially mischoppable and got me off the hook.

You and I had our clear difference about how you knew what the shrines you could visit would do and I could go to any shrine but didn't know shit. I see no reason why a w!LC steps in there and says "yeah me too" when I was on that hot seat. Sure, it was going to eventually resolve as NAI on both sides, but what's the point of making that happen? Just to pocket me? I am usually deemed not worth pocketing by most wolf teams, but maybe. Not something I am quite ready to look at when Radishes has done obvious wolf driven things.

This looks like a pocket if I’ve ever heard one, if LC is bad. And if it looks like a pocket to me, and you aren’t deemed worth pocketing? Why is that?


That’s the ONLY alignment-indicative thing you’ve taken away from LC? Sheesh

I wasn't really cognizant of the idea that I could be suspected for what Tim is saying, on Day 1. I was just sharing what my Shrine experience/relationship was... or wasn't. It probably doesn't read like a pocket attempt.

That's why I read it as just town. A wolf would have calculated out that tying themselves to the same thing I was getting sussed for would have no good results for themselves, so would have just passed that by.

[DaisyCloud]

if LongCon is supposed to be scum then someone is going to have to literally walk me through it. not just show me posts and talk about his actions but go in depth and explain everything. I expect charts and graphs and lists and actual spreadsheets and vote count analysises. im going to need in depth explanations and reasoning.

You’re not gonna get that. LC wolf is sneaky wolf. He will appear town, but really he’s pulling...the long con

is it bad that I like reading LongCon's posts i think he is town?

[Gavial]

Still think Jack is Mafia though.

[Gavial]

Jack voting Tim again isn’t surprising considering Mafia had a Consig check on SK!Tim.

[DaisyCloud]

the fact that Gavial is playing completely different from the last game is partially why I think he is scum in this game.

[Gavial]

Just got back from Jay.
There was No Result.
So Scum probably roleblocked me or Tim is SK with Detection Immunity.

[Gavial]

the fact that Gavial is playing completely different from the last game is partially why I think he is scum in this game.

Different how exactly?

[Gavial]

Since the game ended I can talk about it now.
Alison said I acted “different” SoD which made absolutely no sense and was clearly forced and faked.

So anytime someone says I’m “acting different” I want a valid reason I can accept or else I think your scum.

[Scotty]

Just got back from Jay.
There was No Result.
So Scum probably roleblocked me or Tim is SK with Detection Immunity.

Why are you assuming the SK killed again last night?

[Timsup2nothin]

the fact that Gavial is playing completely different from the last game is partially why I think he is scum in this game.

Different how exactly?

In that game you made sense?

[DaisyCloud]

the fact that Gavial is playing completely different from the last game is partially why I think he is scum in this game.

Different how exactly?

In that game you made sense?

Gavial! this ^ a million times this

[DaisyCloud]

Since the game ended I can talk about it now.
Alison said I acted “different” SoD which made absolutely no sense and was clearly forced and faked.

So anytime someone says I’m “acting different” I want a valid reason I can accept or else I think your scum.

this whole entire game you been tin foily and random. you give 0 explanations. you don't explain your reads or nothing. you don't give reasons for anything you do. you yell and demand people to listen to you and do what you say instead of trying to be show people your process. you expect everyone to just see or know what u r talking about. you call people scum for disagreeing with you. and you never own up when you yourself have been wrong. we are not mind readers, yet you expect us to be.

[DaisyCloud]

Since the game ended I can talk about it now.
Alison said I acted “different” SoD which made absolutely no sense and was clearly forced and faked.

So anytime someone says I’m “acting different” I want a valid reason I can accept or else I think your scum.

she was town in that game. she is town in this one.

[Scotty]

Since the game ended I can talk about it now.
Alison said I acted “different” SoD which made absolutely no sense and was clearly forced and faked.

So anytime someone says I’m “acting different” I want a valid reason I can accept or else I think your scum.

she was town in that game. she is town in this one.

lol

[Scotty]

So Gav, let me get this straight.
You tracked Nook N1- nothing
You watched KZA N2- nothing
You visited chaos N3- got blocked
You tracked Tim- nothing.

Damn man, either you’re having a shit luck game or you’re just blatantly lying.

[Scotty]

On one hand, he is broadcasting all his abilities and could be getting blocked but I don’t buy it

[DaisyCloud]

why is Gavial playing like he is jester

[DaisyCloud]

Host’s pledge
This game features many unique roles and abilities, and has some non-standard mechanics. I promise you, the players, that I have done everything in my power to ensure a fair and balanced game for all alignments. I believe there are no “bastard” elements in this game and the general structure of mafia remains intact. While there may be roles which obscure player access to information, the hosts will never otherwise lie to players. There is no potential for any players to change alignment during the game. This game features no mechanical cults, jesters, millers, godfathers, or other such roles.
-Sloonie


putting this here for reference.


I legit didn't know there was no gfs. or I du remember. I did remember no jesters.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Team us Vulgard, Gavial, and Kyle. They don't know who the 3p is. I can see it all in Vulgard's posts today. Read them with that in mind... who he talks about, how he mentions them, etc. Side mentions with other players only, and focus on the other guy.

I have a very hard time making a 3 player wolfteam without Tim even if I had no reason to suspect him and I feel like I have a fair bit.

Same goes for LC only I don’t have a lot of specific reason to suspect LC.

Radish, Marmot, Lost Monkey...from my POV an easy possibility that you should be able to immediately think "hmmm, could be" about...without even having to dismiss obvious facts with "well, wolf Tim could do just anything so I never clear him ever."

No overlap and they don’t suspect each other.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Team us Vulgard, Gavial, and Kyle. They don't know who the 3p is. I can see it all in Vulgard's posts today. Read them with that in mind... who he talks about, how he mentions them, etc. Side mentions with other players only, and focus on the other guy.

Sub Radishes for Vulgard and consider Vulgard a dupe...how does it look then?

I was hoping you at least would pick up on meeting me at Mehrunes Fagon's shrine so I hope you got something interesting from the night.

Tim not all that attached to his suspect list tho lol

[Jackofhearts2005]

Me leading town has gotten nowhere. I feel exasperatingly rusty from my multi year hiatus and hate where we are right now

patpat

We’re not in a terrible place.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Anyone do anything cool last night? I’m beginning to think that my temples are pretty awful and useless

idk if it's cool or not but I found out some stuffs. idk what it means or not means tho.

Yeah, cool cool. Me too

You know what would be nice? Figuring out how learning someone’s race means anything.

Catch them in a lie? Like after all my claims to being the merchant if you found out I was not an Imperial you'd have a genuine reason to vote me instead of whatever conf bias nonsense you are feeding on currently.

I'm gonna say this one more time because it is so damn frustrating. When the wagons were me and Falcon and I was already well ahead WTF makes you think I, as a wolf, would pile on Falcon and fight my ass off instead of just laying down and eating the chop there? Ask Jack...in what fucking world am I that bad of a wolf?

You didn’t need to pile on falcon. When you switched to marmot it was a 3-3-3 tie, was it not? Then when falcon took the lead by 2, you didn’t need to move. I mean, you could have, and my opinion might have swung either way saying “well he bussed him” or “he’s town”.

You didn’t bus him, because he was a good mafia role.

I switched to Marmot FROM Falcon. I piled on Falcon behind Vulgard and MADE HIM A WAGON. Why, as a wolf do I do that?

Distancing?

Also like here’s a thing. As a wolf, I do things just to make people say “why did Jack do X if he’s a wolf?”

So the statement that moves me is never “Player doesn’t need to do X if they’re a wolf” or “there’s no motivation for Player to do X as a wolf” but rather “here’s the reason Player would not do X as a wolf.”

Wolves are allowed to place second votes on a partner and then abandon the wagon nearer to EOD. Like that is a thing that wolves are perfectly capable of doing and you know it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Enter Jack saying "for the WIFOM...sure anyone but Tim I buy that, but always chop Tim no matter what."

I would buy the aforementioned argument from literally nobody.

[Jackofhearts2005]

idk if it's cool or not but I found out some stuffs. idk what it means or not means tho.

Yeah, cool cool. Me too

You know what would be nice? Figuring out how learning someone’s race means anything.

Catch them in a lie? Like after all my claims to being the merchant if you found out I was not an Imperial you'd have a genuine reason to vote me instead of whatever conf bias nonsense you are feeding on currently.

I'm gonna say this one more time because it is so damn frustrating. When the wagons were me and Falcon and I was already well ahead WTF makes you think I, as a wolf, would pile on Falcon and fight my ass off instead of just laying down and eating the chop there? Ask Jack...in what fucking world am I that bad of a wolf?

You didn’t need to pile on falcon. When you switched to marmot it was a 3-3-3 tie, was it not? Then when falcon took the lead by 2, you didn’t need to move. I mean, you could have, and my opinion might have swung either way saying “well he bussed him” or “he’s town”.

You didn’t bus him, because he was a good mafia role.

I switched to Marmot FROM Falcon. I piled on Falcon behind Vulgard and MADE HIM A WAGON. Why, as a wolf do I do that?

Tit for tat- why leave falcon?

Because I thought when Vulgard and Radishes abandoned their cases on Falcon and voted me instead that I was being set up. I never made a case on Falcon, I just sheeped theirs. "Yeah I am sheeping these guys on Falcon and oh yeah both of them are voting me" is a stupid position, so I got out of it. I could at least push Marmot with my own case.

I still think there were two wolf wagons there and i wasn't one of them, by the way.

This is a fair perspective for a townie in general.

This is not a fair perspective for someone who wants credit for having yeeted a wolf he wasn’t voting for when he was only sheeping someone else’s case anyhow.

Tim’s just a wolf, ya’ll.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I was on Falcon because I did not want Tim to be yeeted. I switched it to Marmot because it looked like things were going that way, then I had to go and do dinner with the family and I'm glad that the falcon thing went through.

Can you summarize your reasoning for suspecting both Falcon and Marmot and for townreading Tim?

[Gavial]

Since the game ended I can talk about it now.
Alison said I acted “different” SoD which made absolutely no sense and was clearly forced and faked.

So anytime someone says I’m “acting different” I want a valid reason I can accept or else I think your scum.

she was town in that game. she is town in this one.

What are you talking about? Lol we thinking of a different game.

[Gavial]

So Gav, let me get this straight.
You tracked Nook N1- nothing
You watched KZA N2- nothing
You visited chaos N3- got blocked
You tracked Tim- nothing.

Damn man, either you’re having a shit luck game or you’re just blatantly lying.

It was not nothing it was no result.
When I tracked Nanook he got no visitz

[Gavial]

On one hand, he is broadcasting all his abilities and could be getting blocked but I don’t buy it

I’m Obv Town just look how Mac treated my slot.

[Gavial]

Why would he want to attempt CFD on his own bud?

[Gavial]

Not to mention I was scum reading Falcon until I remember pre-game that I needed to act as a GA to him this game.

[Jackofhearts2005]

One thing concerns me. It's a 24er, so I expect six or seven nontown. We have two flipped nontown and 12 people alive, if my math isn't terrible.

In that case, we have four or five nontown alive with seven or eight town alive. My PoE is too small for this. Which is why I'm moving people out of my clear zone. People like Gavial and Marmot.

I don't know what to do with Tim at this point, plain and simple.

Really? It’s minor but I find it hard to believe you’re posting this, what with the very first line of the description of this game as 18 v 5 v 1.

This whole post reads like TMI

How is it tmi to get the setup wrong?

Isn’t that a (real or fake) derpclear, literally the opposite of tmi?

[Gavial]

If I didn’t say that Pre-Game then Falcon would have still been my scum read.

[Gavial]

Not to mention I had BOTH Mac and Falcon as a scum team with Flanders and Daisy.
@Scotty
Remember Scotty? You were there when it happened yet 180’ed your fuckin scum read on Mac.

[Gavial]

I also had Quin in there which has been replaced with Radish.

[Gavial]

if LongCon is supposed to be scum then someone is going to have to literally walk me through it. not just show me posts and talk about his actions but go in depth and explain everything. I expect charts and graphs and lists and actual spreadsheets and vote count analysises. im going to need in depth explanations and reasoning.

You’re not gonna get that. LC wolf is sneaky wolf. He will appear town, but really he’s pulling...the long con

is it bad that I like reading LongCon's posts i think he is town?

What’s with the “?” In this post?

[Gavial]

One thing concerns me. It's a 24er, so I expect six or seven nontown. We have two flipped nontown and 12 people alive, if my math isn't terrible.

In that case, we have four or five nontown alive with seven or eight town alive. My PoE is too small for this. Which is why I'm moving people out of my clear zone. People like Gavial and Marmot.

I don't know what to do with Tim at this point, plain and simple.

Really? It’s minor but I find it hard to believe you’re posting this, what with the very first line of the description of this game as 18 v 5 v 1.

This whole post reads like TMI

How is it tmi to get the setup wrong?

Isn’t that a (real or fake) derpclear, literally the opposite of tmi?

Honestly I would be willing to vote Vulgard here considering he had me as hard town when he entered and now wants to take it out of his list because others are growing suspicious of me despite my interaction with Mac should have been a clear TVS indication.
I also think Vulgard has good scum equity with Jack.

[Long Con]

Team us Vulgard, Gavial, and Kyle. They don't know who the 3p is. I can see it all in Vulgard's posts today. Read them with that in mind... who he talks about, how he mentions them, etc. Side mentions with other players only, and focus on the other guy.

I have a very hard time making a 3 player wolfteam without Tim even if I had no reason to suspect him and I feel like I have a fair bit.

Same goes for LC only I don’t have a lot of specific reason to suspect LC.

Radish, Marmot, Lost Monkey...from my POV an easy possibility that you should be able to immediately think "hmmm, could be" about...without even having to dismiss obvious facts with "well, wolf Tim could do just anything so I never clear him ever."

No overlap and they don’t suspect each other.

Should I suspect Tim for having different reads than me?

I was on Falcon because I did not want Tim to be yeeted. I switched it to Marmot because it looked like things were going that way, then I had to go and do dinner with the family and I'm glad that the falcon thing went through.

Can you summarize your reasoning for suspecting both Falcon and Marmot and for townreading Tim?

I didn't suspect falcon or Marmot beyond not specifically townreading them like Tim or Scotty or Made. I think Tim has been very towny in this game, and that most of the cases against him sound wrong.

[Gavial]

My vote today will be on either Jack or Vulgard.

[Long Con]

My vote today will be on either Jack or Vulgard.

Why to both

[Gavial]

Also why is everyone just throwing me around in the “let’s fuck em up!” List.
How about no.
How about you guys understand I’m town and follow my lead here!

[Gavial]

Vulgard or Jack.

[Gavial]

My vote today will be on either Jack or Vulgard.

Why to both

I’ve already explained Jack somewhere down in my ISO.
As for Vulgard I don’t like his post I was just shown at all.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack voting Tim again isn’t surprising considering Mafia had a Consig check on SK!Tim.

Tbf, if I was a wolf and there was a sk in the game and it was Tim and I knew it was Tim, I would absolutely be trying to yeet him.

[Gavial]

GTH teams Jack/Vulgard/Daisy
Being Daisy that Douche AtE Scum.

[Gavial]

Although I really wanna hope it isn’t Daisy but the thought still lingwrs

[Gavial]

Jack/Vulgard/Radish
Is actually better, I’m going with that instead.