The Elder Scrolls [GAME OVER]

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sk roles are something I miss from HCRealms but they’re so hard to balance.

[Gavial]

Jack voting Tim again isn’t surprising considering Mafia had a Consig check on SK!Tim.

Tbf, if I was a wolf and there was a sk in the game and it was Tim and I knew it was Tim, I would absolutely be trying to yeet him.

Well then looks like we are in the same position!

[Jackofhearts2005]

One thing concerns me. It's a 24er, so I expect six or seven nontown. We have two flipped nontown and 12 people alive, if my math isn't terrible.

In that case, we have four or five nontown alive with seven or eight town alive. My PoE is too small for this. Which is why I'm moving people out of my clear zone. People like Gavial and Marmot.

I don't know what to do with Tim at this point, plain and simple.

Really? It’s minor but I find it hard to believe you’re posting this, what with the very first line of the description of this game as 18 v 5 v 1.

This whole post reads like TMI

How is it tmi to get the setup wrong?

Isn’t that a (real or fake) derpclear, literally the opposite of tmi?

Honestly I would be willing to vote Vulgard here considering he had me as hard town when he entered and now wants to take it out of his list because others are growing suspicious of me despite my interaction with Mac should have been a clear TVS indication.
I also think Vulgard has good scum equity with Jack.

Like in insane world where I’m a wolf and Tim is a sk, this is a good read, too.

I’ve barely touched Enrique and been very high on Vulgard since their sub, just like a wolf who had one slank partner in a sea of slank townies and then a ringer sub comes in. There’s even a part where I was annoyed SSFlanders got a sub before Enrique (or Nacho? Whoever was low poster at the time. Doesn’t really matter).

Like...I think you’re town AND you’re capable of making sane reads.

I just need to figure out who to get you out of insane world where you can’t see that I’m just town from, well, everything but especially my EOD yesterday. I came in with this objective. Yeet Tim if possible. If not possible, prevent the yeet of suspected townreads (Marmot, Daisy, and to a lesser extent, Kyle, Vulgard, Tony, Gavil in about that order). So you can see where I came in with iirc about an hour to go and wagons are like Marmot (4), Tim (3), Falcon (3) and I throw a big fit and ping everybody on the Marmot wagon and everybody off wagon because I want Tim dead AND I want Marmot alive. The former fits into your insane world theory but the later does not because it meant that when I couldn’t get my way, I was always going to (and did) swap to Falcon and get everyone who had followed me to Tim to follow me to Falcon. Then you can see me being genuinely frustrated pre and post deadline but preflip because I was worried that I had just read Tony and Kyle wrong because I didn’t feel like they had given my Tim case a fair shake or that they’d just messed up. That all matches the perspective of a town Jack who does not know Falcon’s alignment, not wolf Jack who does know and is on a team with Falcon.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Bad vig probably cleared from flip. I used to be a good vig but then I took an arrow to the knee

[TonyStarkPrime]

Could be SK I guess. I’ve been an SK before but then I took an arrow to the knee

[TonyStarkPrime]

At one point in my life I was willing to vote Vulgard but then I took an arrow to the knee

[TonyStarkPrime]

i used to be taken off the poll for going to chaos but then I took an arrow to the knee

[Gavial]

One thing concerns me. It's a 24er, so I expect six or seven nontown. We have two flipped nontown and 12 people alive, if my math isn't terrible.

In that case, we have four or five nontown alive with seven or eight town alive. My PoE is too small for this. Which is why I'm moving people out of my clear zone. People like Gavial and Marmot.

I don't know what to do with Tim at this point, plain and simple.

Really? It’s minor but I find it hard to believe you’re posting this, what with the very first line of the description of this game as 18 v 5 v 1.

This whole post reads like TMI

How is it tmi to get the setup wrong?

Isn’t that a (real or fake) derpclear, literally the opposite of tmi?

Honestly I would be willing to vote Vulgard here considering he had me as hard town when he entered and now wants to take it out of his list because others are growing suspicious of me despite my interaction with Mac should have been a clear TVS indication.
I also think Vulgard has good scum equity with Jack.

Like in insane world where I’m a wolf and Tim is a sk, this is a good read, too.

I’ve barely touched Enrique and been very high on Vulgard since their sub, just like a wolf who had one slank partner in a sea of slank townies and then a ringer sub comes in. There’s even a part where I was annoyed SSFlanders got a sub before Enrique (or Nacho? Whoever was low poster at the time. Doesn’t really matter).

Like...I think you’re town AND you’re capable of making sane reads.

I just need to figure out who to get you out of insane world where you can’t see that I’m just town from, well, everything but especially my EOD yesterday. I came in with this objective. Yeet Tim if possible. If not possible, prevent the yeet of suspected townreads (Marmot, Daisy, and to a lesser extent, Kyle, Vulgard, Tony, Gavil in about that order). So you can see where I came in with iirc about an hour to go and wagons are like Marmot (4), Tim (3), Falcon (3) and I throw a big fit and ping everybody on the Marmot wagon and everybody off wagon because I want Tim dead AND I want Marmot alive. The former fits into your insane world theory but the later does not because it meant that when I couldn’t get my way, I was always going to (and did) swap to Falcon and get everyone who had followed me to Tim to follow me to Falcon. Then you can see me being genuinely frustrated pre and post deadline but preflip because I was worried that I had just read Tony and Kyle wrong because I didn’t feel like they had given my Tim case a fair shake or that they’d just messed up. That all matches the perspective of a town Jack who does not know Falcon’s alignment, not wolf Jack who does know and is on a team with Falcon.

What’s your read on Radish?

[Gavial]

i used to be taken off the poll for going to chaos but then I took an arrow to the knee

Chaos post restrict you to end all your posts with that line?
LOL

[Timsup2nothin]

Team us Vulgard, Gavial, and Kyle. They don't know who the 3p is. I can see it all in Vulgard's posts today. Read them with that in mind... who he talks about, how he mentions them, etc. Side mentions with other players only, and focus on the other guy.

Sub Radishes for Vulgard and consider Vulgard a dupe...how does it look then?

I was hoping you at least would pick up on meeting me at Mehrunes Fagon's shrine so I hope you got something interesting from the night.

Tim not all that attached to his suspect list tho lol

Jack, the real question here is how, when LC can spit out a potential team and you can't really clear a single one of them, and I can spit out a potential team off the top of my head and you can't really clear a single one of them either, you "can't find a team without Tim on it."

[Timsup2nothin]

I just need to figure out who to get you out of insane world where you can’t see that I’m just town from, well, everything but especially my EOD yesterday.

But you might have just done that EoD intentionally to make people say "why would Jack do that if he's a wolf?"

O ,eam. you are basically operating from "don't believe your eyes, yeet people that do towny stuff first!!!" so why noy chop you?

[TonyStarkPrime]

team is not vul/gav/kyle I can clear that one

[TonyStarkPrime]

but then I took an arrow to the knee

[Timsup2nothin]

why people go to the chaos shrine completely escapes me...but I haven't caught swamp fever from a mudcrab...maybe if I had this town would make more sense

[Scotty]

So Gav, let me get this straight.
You tracked Nook N1- nothing
You watched KZA N2- nothing
You visited chaos N3- got blocked
You tracked Tim- nothing.

Damn man, either you’re having a shit luck game or you’re just blatantly lying.

It was not nothing it was no result.
When I tracked Nanook he got no visitz

Wait I thought you were tracking whether or not nook visited someone else. Didn’t he die N1?

And when you were blocked N3, did it say “blocked”? Is this one different than the first 2? I’m just left with more questions than answers here

[Scotty]

Why would he want to attempt CFD on his own bud?

It didn’t end there, did it?

[Scotty]

Not to mention I was scum reading Falcon until I remember pre-game that I needed to act as a GA to him this game.

I feel like we’re bowling right now and you just threw the bowling ball into the gutter 5 lanes over

[Scotty]

One thing concerns me. It's a 24er, so I expect six or seven nontown. We have two flipped nontown and 12 people alive, if my math isn't terrible.

In that case, we have four or five nontown alive with seven or eight town alive. My PoE is too small for this. Which is why I'm moving people out of my clear zone. People like Gavial and Marmot.

I don't know what to do with Tim at this point, plain and simple.

Really? It’s minor but I find it hard to believe you’re posting this, what with the very first line of the description of this game as 18 v 5 v 1.

This whole post reads like TMI

How is it tmi to get the setup wrong?

Isn’t that a (real or fake) derpclear, literally the opposite of tmi?

It would be TMI (or how I define tmi) acting as if you don’t know all the rules and broadly talking out theories based on that ignorance. Might be using the term wrong.

Vulgard might have legit missed it, as he did sub in late. But I also think Vulgard as a competent player based on his posts so to miss something so obvious is a red flag

[Scotty]

Not to mention I had BOTH Mac and Falcon as a scum team with Flanders and Daisy.
@Scotty
Remember Scotty? You were there when it happened yet 180’ed your fuckin scum read on Mac.

You’ve had more scum reads than a Petri dish, so I can’t keep track

[TonyStarkPrime]

Not to mention I was scum reading Falcon until I remember pre-game that I needed to act as a GA to him this game.

I feel like we’re bowling right now and you just threw the bowling ball into the gutter 5 lanes over

i've done this at least once but then i took an arrow to the knee

[Timsup2nothin]

Why would he want to attempt CFD on his own bud?

It didn’t end there, did it?

There's actually an answer to that if Marmot is a woof.

The votes were tied between Mogh and Marmot, yes.

The votes on Marmot were all pretty hard, yes...they were not switchable. I know, because I was trying. The votes that were off I had as most of them soft towards Marmot...like I had little hope for my Mogh wagon.

Along comes Mac with his wild spew of votes here there and everywhere...and the locks loosened up...not enough to really endanger anyone else (Gavail) but enough that when everyone went back to the main wagons gravity worked and Mogh got chopped.

In simple terms the Gavail wagon ultimately killed Mogh in Marmot's place, IMO.

[Timsup2nothin]

but then I took an arrow to the knee

Notably, only town cops in Skyrim use this line so we should clear TSP here.

[Timsup2nothin]

Vulgard might have legit missed it, as he did sub in late. But I also think Vulgard as a competent player based on his posts so to miss something so obvious is a red flag

Not trying to pocket you by agreeing, but every time you bring up how this bothers you it reminds me that I missed that myself and there was a conversation about how I missed it. I know I was in that conversation, and at least two other people were as well. It was not the only conversation about it. So I do not see how someone could ISO dive multiple people and not catch that.

@Vulgard

[TonyStarkPrime]

eh I used to miss basic setup details all the time I don't think that in itself can easily be construed one way or the other

(but then i took an arrow to the knee)

[Master Radishes]

If there are any developments since Day start gimme the headlines.

[Scotty]

So assuming my gavial isn’t angling to be lynched today (which is frankly hard to believe, but thanks for showing that there are no jesters, Daisy) what on earth is he spewing?

Jack? First of all, he put the 5th vote on falcon towards eod, which just about sealed falcon’s fate. Daisy then finished the job, if I recall. Maybe the order is messed up, but those votes don’t read teammate bus to me.

But hell, mafia’s gotten faster and has changed a bit perhaps since I last remember and maybe bussing is something you scum teams do often.
In that case, TSP is my deep wolf for mafia cred. I don’t like to think that because if he’s mafia he’s never getting lynched. That’s the breaks. I choose not to believe that.

And it makes no sense for jack or Daisy to vote that way unless falcon was like “roast me fam” in scumchat.


And another thing:
Gavial jumping on that one post I quoted from Vulgard and using that as a maxim to encompass his entire read of Vulgard? Baffles me. It’s like hearing a dude sniffle in a traincar and you wanting to move cars because you’re convinced the man has viral, transmissible cancer.

Convince me you don’t want to be lynched today.
Explain your reads. Don’t just put your hands up and babble names

[Master Radishes]

Is there any reason not to chop LC, btw?

[Scotty]

If there are any developments since Day start gimme the headlines.

Tim is out to chop you up and put you in a stew

[Scotty]

Is there any reason not to chop LC, btw?

Why

[Scotty]

You guys...maybe monkey really is lost. I miss him

I mean not especially, I just miss having people talk about things in thread, and he is religiously absent

[Master Radishes]

Like my sense, based on who has flipped and the general feel of the game, is that the mafia have not been working to some grand plan. They've been acting as disparate individuals.

I don't think there's anyone more adrift from the game than...well, Monkey. High wolf equity there. But among more active players, also LC.


With Nacho gone, my immediate PoE is Tim/LC/Monkey. Maybe Marmot still, tbh. But I wouldn't worry about which person I'm mis-clearing until I shoot into that pool a couple times first.

[Master Radishes]

If there are any developments since Day start gimme the headlines.

Tim is out to chop you up and put you in a stew

That's not a new development.

Radishes are better in salads anyway.

[Scotty]

If there are any developments since Day start gimme the headlines.

Let’s see..what else.

Tim and I have been in a spat over biscuits. He took the biscuits and he isn’t giving them back.

Marmot is still a giant question mark and will be until endgame or someone kills him.

Gavial suspects jack and Daisy and Vulgard and you and the queen of England and Mrs Potts and George jetson and jack

That’s the banner headlines from my mind

[Timsup2nothin]

If there are any developments since Day start gimme the headlines.

Tim is out to chop you up and put you in a stew

That's not a new development.

Radishes are better in salads anyway.

Roasted is a unique way to prepare Radishes, and quite good.

[Master Radishes]

Like my sense, based on who has flipped and the general feel of the game, is that the mafia have not been working to some grand plan. They've been acting as disparate individuals.

I don't think there's anyone more adrift from the game than...well, Monkey. High wolf equity there. But among more active players, also LC.


With Nacho gone, my immediate PoE is Tim/LC/Monkey. Maybe Marmot still, tbh. But I wouldn't worry about which person I'm mis-clearing until I shoot into that pool a couple times first.

Follow up: Kyle also feels disconnected, but both Mac and Falc follow a pattern in their isos: in the early game, they interact with a *lot* of now-confirmed town, and they both do the same with Kyle at that time of the game too. I kind of doubt they ignore all their scum partners like that except one specific one. So Kyle is probably also town.

[Scotty]

Like my sense, based on who has flipped and the general feel of the game, is that the mafia have not been working to some grand plan. They've been acting as disparate individuals.

I don't think there's anyone more adrift from the game than...well, Monkey. High wolf equity there. But among more active players, also LC.


With Nacho gone, my immediate PoE is Tim/LC/Monkey. Maybe Marmot still, tbh. But I wouldn't worry about which person I'm mis-clearing until I shoot into that pool a couple times first.

That was my thought starting the day.

It’s a hard one to prove because nothing LC has done has seemed scummy on the surface. I’ve read him as town most of the game.

But my POE Is getting smaller.

I promised Tim I’d continue looking into you and Vulgard because I put you into my town list based on your entrance and tone. But I need to be a better town than that

[Timsup2nothin]

If there are any developments since Day start gimme the headlines.

Let’s see..what else.

Tim and I have been in a spat over biscuits. He took the biscuits and he isn’t giving them back.

Marmot is still a giant question mark and will be until endgame or someone kills him.

Gavial suspects jack and Daisy and Vulgard and you and the queen of England and Mrs Potts and George jetson and jack

That’s the banner headlines from my mind

You left out that there is a pretty sketchy hole in Vulgard's knowledge for someone who claims to have ISOed everyone under the sun once or twice. I might be talking myself into Vulgard wolf, Radishes town.

[Scotty]

If there are any developments since Day start gimme the headlines.

Let’s see..what else.

Tim and I have been in a spat over biscuits. He took the biscuits and he isn’t giving them back.

Marmot is still a giant question mark and will be until endgame or someone kills him.

Gavial suspects jack and Daisy and Vulgard and you and the queen of England and Mrs Potts and George jetson and jack

That’s the banner headlines from my mind

You left out that there is a pretty sketchy hole in Vulgard's knowledge for someone who claims to have ISOed everyone under the sun once or twice. I might be talking myself into Vulgard wolf, Radishes town.

Wow you and gavial are really clinging to that.

Granted, I did catch falcon on d3 forgetting made was green checked (or maybe it was syn? Don’t remember) and jack also seemed to forget that. I think jack is town, so I know it can happen

[Scotty]

Is there any reason not to chop LC, btw?

Why did you single out LC in this? Didn’t get a proper reason from u

[Master Radishes]

Is there any reason not to chop LC, btw?

Why did you single out LC in this? Didn’t get a proper reason from u

For the general reason posted above ^ that LC feels like he's going through the motions a bit and that fits the scum mentality I'm sensing.

He doesn't really have anything I've seen that I can point to and say 'that's town'. Even his 'fake red check' was...pretty bleh, tbh. Like he barely held onto it and then basically didn't follow up on it at all. It seemed to serve no purpose other than to make himself look a bit solvy.

I'll give his iso a read at some point, but that's a name I've sort of had in the back of my mind all game that I've yet to be able to clear for myself.

[Timsup2nothin]

If there are any developments since Day start gimme the headlines.

Let’s see..what else.

Tim and I have been in a spat over biscuits. He took the biscuits and he isn’t giving them back.

Marmot is still a giant question mark and will be until endgame or someone kills him.

Gavial suspects jack and Daisy and Vulgard and you and the queen of England and Mrs Potts and George jetson and jack

That’s the banner headlines from my mind

You left out that there is a pretty sketchy hole in Vulgard's knowledge for someone who claims to have ISOed everyone under the sun once or twice. I might be talking myself into Vulgard wolf, Radishes town.

Wow you and gavial are really clinging to that.

Granted, I did catch falcon on d3 forgetting made was green checked (or maybe it was syn? Don’t remember) and jack also seemed to forget that. I think jack is town, so I know it can happen

I missed it, and I am town...but I didn't come into the game late and claim to have ISOed a bunch of people who had talked about it either. That's a different issue.

[Gavial]

Not to mention I had BOTH Mac and Falcon as a scum team with Flanders and Daisy.
@Scotty
Remember Scotty? You were there when it happened yet 180’ed your fuckin scum read on Mac.

You’ve had more scum reads than a Petri dish, so I can’t keep track

Not really?
My Scum Reads didn’t change and I briefly added new ones.

[Gavial]

So assuming my gavial isn’t angling to be lynched today (which is frankly hard to believe, but thanks for showing that there are no jesters, Daisy) what on earth is he spewing?

Jack? First of all, he put the 5th vote on falcon towards eod, which just about sealed falcon’s fate. Daisy then finished the job, if I recall. Maybe the order is messed up, but those votes don’t read teammate bus to me.

But hell, mafia’s gotten faster and has changed a bit perhaps since I last remember and maybe bussing is something you scum teams do often.
In that case, TSP is my deep wolf for mafia cred. I don’t like to think that because if he’s mafia he’s never getting lynched. That’s the breaks. I choose not to believe that.

And it makes no sense for jack or Daisy to vote that way unless falcon was like “roast me fam” in scumchat.


And another thing:
Gavial jumping on that one post I quoted from Vulgard and using that as a maxim to encompass his entire read of Vulgard? Baffles me. It’s like hearing a dude sniffle in a traincar and you wanting to move cars because you’re convinced the man has viral, transmissible cancer.

Convince me you don’t want to be lynched today.
Explain your reads. Don’t just put your hands up and babble names

I don’t want to be lynched today because I’m town.
I also still have a watcher shot.
Not sure how it baffles you when I had the right to be concerned of Vulgard.

[TonyStarkPrime]

i think that lc is town, he seems to fit within his standard town play here
but then i took an arrow to the knee

[Marmot]

I went to chaos last night and got a prize, and it was not am arrow to the knee.

[Marmot]

Did I ruin your plan TSP?

[Timsup2nothin]

is it just a coincidence that those posts rhyme Marmot?

[Marmot]

I'm laughing, but yes it is coincidence. I can post normally.

[Marmot]

Was Made razor stab and nacho a regular mafia kill?

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm laughing, but yes it is coincidence. I can post normally.

Well, normally enough...for a Marmot.