Game Over! Monty Python and the Holy Grail

[Enrique]

You were waiting for me to show up, btw? Do you have anything to ask?

[Made]

Yeah, Made... why would you make that assumption in the first place?

Honestly, because assumptions are fun. They also allowed me to get a theory. When SVS pointed out I assumed even, I edited my theory to account for additional people.

Since no one''s called me on it yet, I also assumed that if someone critizied Hedge they weren't teammates. I just assumed this because i would help is get a smaller group of candidates for questioning

As for your other comment about questioning you Enrique...


Ignore the last line of that,
I'm taking an Practice ACT so I wouldn't be able to post this when the timer in my Signature ends. The forum's been too slow to day to try to alarm everyone anyways :/

[Enrique]

u cray z 4 dis 1

[Marmot]

^ I have no idea if he is joking or not!

Have fun & be safe. Make sure those bears aren't making comma splices.

If fucking laughed out loud at this.

[Mister Rearranger]

Great, now I'm addicted to reading some of these public Pastebin posts.

[Marmot]

Yeah, Made... why would you make that assumption in the first place?

Honestly, because assumptions are fun. They also allowed me to get a theory. When SVS pointed out I assumed even, I edited my theory to account for additional people.

Since no one''s called me on it yet, I also assumed that if someone critizied Hedge they weren't teammates. I just assumed this because i would help is get a smaller group of candidates for questioning

As for your other comment about questioning you Enrique...


Ignore the last line of that,
I'm taking an Practice ACT so I wouldn't be able to post this when the timer in my Signature ends. The forum's been too slow to day to try to alarm everyone anyways :/

Why don't we just keep everything in the game thread?

[Bullzeye]

Has anyone else read the first page again?

Only asking 'cause it seems like there's some confusion as to what DF's role was, as well as what MP's role could have done...

Well spotted. Looks like DF's role description confirms the existence of another role. I wonder what Roger can do. Presumably he's a civ, since I can't see how he wouldn't be.

[juliets]

So made, I'm just dense. What are you saying with that pastebin? And I agree with MM, can we keep everything in the thread? I know your practice testing - at least I think thats what you said - so you can't answer now but maybe when you are finished with the test.

And yeah MR, thanks for pointing us to that.

[Marmot]

UGH

Not proofreading ftl:

I don't want to draw any targets, you have been very very active. Indeed, your "poky, question" playstyle, while not showing much opinion of your own, has made me suspect you to some extent. You have been following closely is my point here, I would have thought you would possibly know what I was talking about. A few days back MADE said something I found interesting, and I called him out on it, and Enrique slapped my wrist for it. So I backed off of Made due to that. But if Made is now going to suspect Enrique, what I thought to be possible becomes not as likely. And the only reason I backed off of my suspicion of Made from Day Zero is gone.

Fixed

I figured that's what you meant. Anyway, that's how I have a tendency to play. It helps me interact with people (when they actually respond), and also helps me keep up with the goings-on. Also, I'm not a great scumhunter, so I believe this helps others when they are doing such. Sometimes, I default to this style like I've kinda done this game. When I post original thoughts and ask questions and get no response, I tend to lose motivation. As you say, I've been active, and I was pushing Made on Day 1 as well, but it just went completely under the radar. It's a bit frustrating, really.

Also @ Enrique, you say you don't have a clue to what Made alignment is. I agree, no one does but he. You also don't want to acknowledge him being civvie, and you are using this excuse. So why argue to not lynch him if you don't think he is civvie? This doesn't sit well with me.

[Marmot]

UGH

Not proofreading ftl:

I don't want to draw any targets, you have been very very active. Indeed, your "poky, question" playstyle, while not showing much opinion of your own, has made me suspect you to some extent. You have been following closely is my point here, I would have thought you would possibly know what I was talking about. A few days back MADE said something I found interesting, and I called him out on it, and Enrique slapped my wrist for it. So I backed off of Made due to that. But if Made is now going to suspect Enrique, what I thought to be possible becomes not as likely. And the only reason I backed off of my suspicion of Made from Day Zero is gone.

Fixed

I figured that's what you meant. Anyway, that's how I have a tendency to play. It helps me interact with people (when they actually respond), and also helps me keep up with the goings-on. Also, I'm not a great scumhunter, so I believe this helps others when they are doing such. Sometimes, I default to this style like I've kinda done this game. When I post original thoughts and ask questions and get no response, I tend to lose motivation. As you say, I've been active, and I was pushing Made on Day 1 as well, but it just went completely under the radar. It's a bit frustrating, really.

But this is a big game, so I won't dwell on it. It's not easy to keep up and respond to everything.

Also @ Enrique, you say you don't have a clue to what Made alignment is. I agree, no one does but he. You also don't want to acknowledge him being civvie, and you are using this excuse. So why argue to not lynch him if you don't think he is civvie? This doesn't sit well with me.

But I do want to hear other players' thoughts on this.

[Marmot]

And for what it's worth, The Hobbit had a pretty active Day 1, yet there were still a mere 872 posts by the time Night 2 started.

[Enrique]

Also @ Enrique, you say you don't have a clue to what Made alignment is. I agree, no one does but he. You also don't want to acknowledge him being civvie, and you are using this excuse. So why argue to not lynch him if you don't think he is civvie? This doesn't sit well with me.

I'm not arguing not to lynch him?? I've made posts on this. I hate repeating myself. I thought llama's case was weak so I argued against it. I had no reason to think he was not-civvie. Can you acknowledge my actual stance now?

[bea]

I agree with JC - I"m lost as to what you are trying to accomplish Made.


MM - the way I read Erique Suave's statements was thus: "I thought the case on Made was total BS. My defense of Made wasn't due to firmly believing his affiliation to being civ so much as it was my firm belief that the case was not a good case at all and could have potentially been a baddie looking for an easy reason to lynch anyone not on their team."

If I missread his posts, I'm sorry. But that's how I took his many posts on the subject.

linki - so yea. I read that right. woo me!

[Marmot]

Also @ Enrique, you say you don't have a clue to what Made alignment is. I agree, no one does but he. You also don't want to acknowledge him being civvie, and you are using this excuse. So why argue to not lynch him if you don't think he is civvie? This doesn't sit well with me.

I'm not arguing not to lynch him?? I've made posts on this. I hate repeating myself. I thought llama's case was weak so I argued against it. I had no reason to think he was not-civvie. Can you acknowledge my actual stance now?

No, that's the point. Yesterday you argued against llama regarding Made. Today, you've responded to Made's posts, but with no stance and a lot of sarcasm. You've left it wide open to interpretation, and potentially change.

[Marmot]

MM - the way I read Erique Suave's statements was thus: "I thought the case on Made was total BS. My defense of Made wasn't due to firmly believing his affiliation to being civ so much as it was my firm belief that the case was not a good case at all and could have potentially been a baddie looking for an easy reason to lynch anyone not on their team."

That's a lot of work for a Day 1 don't you think? I especially think so, because I still firmly believe the case against Made is very solid.

[Mongoose]

MM - the way I read Erique Suave's statements was thus: "I thought the case on Made was total BS. My defense of Made wasn't due to firmly believing his affiliation to being civ so much as it was my firm belief that the case was not a good case at all and could have potentially been a baddie looking for an easy reason to lynch anyone not on their team."

That's a lot of work for a Day 1 don't you think? I especially think so, because I still firmly believe the case against Made is very solid.

I think you are doing a fantastic job, MM. I do feel like he is giving himself wiggle room by saying we shouldn't lynch made but then saying he has no idea if Made is civ/bad or not. One statement on it's own would be no big deal, but the two together strikes me a bit disingenuous.

[S~V~S]

Yeah, Made... why would you make that assumption in the first place?

Honestly, because assumptions are fun. They also allowed me to get a theory. When SVS pointed out I assumed even, I edited my theory to account for additional people.

Since no one''s called me on it yet, I also assumed that if someone critizied Hedge they weren't teammates. I just assumed this because i would help is get a smaller group of candidates for questioning

As for your other comment about questioning you Enrique...


Ignore the last line of that,
I'm taking an Practice ACT so I wouldn't be able to post this when the timer in my Signature ends. The forum's been too slow to day to try to alarm everyone anyways :/

Why don't we just keep everything in the game thread?

This. This x100.

Has anyone else read the first page again?

Only asking 'cause it seems like there's some confusion as to what DF's role was, as well as what MP's role could have done...

I did a bit after the post went up, and it wasn't updated then, so i did not think to look back. Thanks for pointing this out. I do think that Roger, whomever he might be, has gotten a very lucky break. And MP was an every other night SK, hopefully there is not another such. And a SK with NP half the time, I am glad he is gone, he needs to study anyhow

[bea]

MM - the way I read Erique Suave's statements was thus: "I thought the case on Made was total BS. My defense of Made wasn't due to firmly believing his affiliation to being civ so much as it was my firm belief that the case was not a good case at all and could have potentially been a baddie looking for an easy reason to lynch anyone not on their team."

That's a lot of work for a Day 1 don't you think? I especially think so, because I still firmly believe the case against Made is very solid.

I tend to think most of the things we do in mafia is a lot of hard work regardless of what day it is. He could be giving himself wiggle room sure. I don't firmly believe llama's case was very solid. I think it was a decent enough Day 1 case, but hardly anything I'd take to the bank one way or the other as a good chunk of it was based on something that happened in a chat room I was not a part of nor allowed to go look at and see what transpired for myself.

I think there's plenty here in the thread itself to look at as far as Made goes, but of all the day one cases against him, I found SVS's the easiest and most thread based to follow fwiw.

[Made]

So made, I'm just dense. What are you saying with that pastebin? And I agree with MM, can we keep everything in the thread? I know your practice testing - at least I think thats what you said - so you can't answer now but maybe when you are finished with the test.

Basically, my goal was to artifically create a scenerio similar to that of Me v Llama from "yesterday" to see who comes out against who, and who doesn't. I fIgured me vs Enrique was weird enough to really throw people off.

Catching up with everything now.

[Made]

I think there's plenty here in the thread itself to look at as far as Made goes, but of all the day one cases against him, I found SVS's the easiest and most thread based to follow fwiw.

I agree with this.

[bea]

I think there's plenty here in the thread itself to look at as far as Made goes, but of all the day one cases against him, I found SVS's the easiest and most thread based to follow fwiw.

I agree with this.

Ok - this almost made me snarf coffee. You make me laugh sir. I like that in a person.

I'm off to work now - so I'll be aroundish. I check in at breaks but hate posting from my phone.

[S~V~S]

This is a young man with a future.

[Dom]

ATTENTION PLAYERS:

I am going to be packing and traveling and moving into my room at school until Monday. I will be a little less available than usual. Any PMs sent to me ARE important and I will get to them as soon as humanly possible. I just wanted to ensure I am transparent with everyone, but so far, I guess no one's been unhappy because I've received no PMs-- and that makes me mildly happy.

[Enrique]

But I'm not... saying... that we shouldn't... lynch him...

I'm not gonna defend a position that's not even mine. Gonna get my eyes checked, see y'alls later.

[Marmot]

ATTENTION PLAYERS:

I am going to be packing and traveling and moving into my room at school until Monday. I will be a little less available than usual. Any PMs sent to me ARE important and I will get to them as soon as humanly possible. I just wanted to ensure I am transparent with everyone, but so far, I guess no one's been unhappy because I've received no PMs-- and that makes me mildly happy.

Are you our very own HR department?

[Mister Rearranger]

I'm not gonna defend a position that's not even mine. Gonna get my eye checked, see y'alls later.

*fixed as per your avatar*

[Made]

This is a young man with a future.

Just re-read the first page.... and thought about something....
Two theories based on information that I totally 100% know and is not assumed at all always
1.What if the knight has no BTSC? It wasn't specfically stated that they do, and can't all they say is "NI"? Maybe they can "NI" other team members?
2. What if there's a team of Knights who say "NI" that can't talk to each other all looking for Roger, every night? Their win condition would be killing Roger then finding and destroy hisher shrubbery

(In all seriousness, based on the fact that it's just the knight(no s) that says ni, we can (probably) assume that s/he is a member of a team of no other knights as while a team that all want Roger dead sounds hilarious, it also sounds quite unlikely.)

Any idea of what other characters/roles would be on the same team as The Ni Knight?
Also, Who's Roger (the Character)?

Linki- I see yo' thristy eyes Enri. watch the throne brah

[S~V~S]

[Made]

Killing a thread 101

[S~V~S]

You say a lot of crazy crap, my friend. I am of two minds on this, or maybe three. You are a nub, you are excited and enthusiastic, and say whatever comes into your mind, with no regard of how fucking suspicious it sounds. OR you are a natural, and you feign all of the above to make us think you are a nub. Or some combo thereof.

yeah.

[bea]

Imma go.with.some.combo.of.both. the.Mr f.comparisons are apt methinks.

[Made]

I think everyone should read this, specifically MP's

So these are the opinions I have found about the people who are currently on the poll.

MP - I feel like MP started out by saying a lot without saying very much at all. He has a lot of posts with a lot of words in them but doesn't do much with them. Other than SVS he hasn't really came out strongly against anyone. He seemed like he might lean toward Made early on but was never convinced and now seems to have gone away from it entirely, which is fine. Also in my opinion he got quite defensive over Epi's suspicion of him.

SVS - I never know what to think of her in general. She has seemed very focused in her pursuit/suspicion of Made and I think her responses to MP's accusations against her have been quite reasonable. I definitely don't see this 'fabricated suspicion' that MP claims is there, I think she has genuine and understandable reasons to distrust Made. I also think that even baddies usually have genuine suspicions. Furthermore, others are suspicious of him for similar reasons but MP only seems to suggest that SVS' suspicion is the dishonest one. Having read the exchanges between these two I would have to say if one of them is definitely bad and the other civ I'd lean towards trusting SVS. That's not to say I'll vote MP today though but I do have an eye on him so far.

Daisy - It's great to see someone with just three posts after going through SVS and MP's! Only one of her posts is really on topic but I know she's usually very busy so that means little or nothing to me. Her read of MP could be particularly damning for him.

BWT - Just after the challenge ended he said there'd been no serious game-related discussion yet, so maybe he ought to be careful what he wishes for!! Seriously though I do share his dismay at having to keep reading a novel's worth of text every time I log in. He is another who is suspicious of MP and shares my view that MP has said a lot without saying much. I also agree with him that we should back off from the Llama/Made fling for now. He seems pretty genuine and in my experience he's more blendy as a baddie so I'm leaning civ on BWT for now.

Juliets - I'm not feeling great about JC. In my opinion she seems to be trying to fly under the radar, not coming out against anyone. Most of her posts say that she isn't suspicious of Made or Llama but she doesn't seem to make much, if any, effort to say who she is suspicious of. The only hint at who might get her vote today is that she says she will vote to save Llama if necessary. My gut says she's not trustworthy and trying to be blendy.

Llama - I was enjoying not having too many posts to comb through He comes off here much like his usual civvie self in my opinion.

Lizzy - Has been missing since Tuesday! Maybe we need to form a search party. Her seven posts are pretty standard Lizzy material. That said, none are on topic or serious in nature but since she disappeared during day zero that's sort of to be expected. I'd like to hear more from her because I know she can be a tricky and dangerous baddie.

LC - I think his point about 'you would know' as a common phrase was good and agree with his view on Made. I'd like to hear more from him though. There isn't enough for me to get much of a feel for where he stands this game. It looks like he might be suspicious of SVS but other than that I'm not sure.

MR - Hasn't posted in a while. The last thing he said was he was joining the 'want to hear more from Made/Rey group' which, as Rey pointed out, he's the founding member of. So I'm not sure what he meant by that. Now that his game is over he might have more time for us so hopefully he makes it in today and can share some of his thoughts.

Canuck - I feel... okay about Canuck. I trusted her for a while in Misfits and was wrong to but here I think she looks quite genuine and I like her point that the baddies could be 'using this insane Made-centric firestorm to stay out of the way and out of memory'. With so much discussion centred around so few people I think it'd be very easy for someone to fly under the radar. She's another I'd like to hear more suspicion from but I feel reasonably good about her.

Dana - Trusted her in Misfits too and I was right for a change. Here she has said a fair bit but, like MP, hasn't really said much. I'm not sure how I feel about her yet.

Made - I doubt I'll vote Made at this point. I think everything that has happened with him here is basically the same as in Misfits, he's just one of those players I guess. I don't necessarily think he's a civ just yet, but I'm not calling him suspicious either.

So overall I guess this is where I stand on the players who are actually on today's poll:

Feel good about: SVS, Llama, BWT, Canuck

Unsure: Daisy, Lizzy, LC, MR, Dana, Made

Feel bad about: MP, JC.

He went on to vote for Juliet.

Based on my reread of him, Bullz has so far played a very strange game. Basically, all he's done (exluding arguements towards Juliet/MP) is attempt to bring accusations and theories to a middle ground.

At this point, the only thing i'm thinking right now is that DF and Bullz weren't on the same time.

Also, Dana needs to say more words.

[S~V~S]

Bullz lives in England, Faraday lives in Texas, so yeah, they probably were not on at the same time. He has not played a "strange game" he has actually given an opinion on everyone. And if you are trying to make a behavior based theory on someone, you can't "exclude" behavior that does not fit your theory.

I do agree, Dana needs to say more.

[Spacedaisy]

Imma go.with.some.combo.of.both. the.Mr f.comparisons are apt methinks.

If we are of the mind that he plays very like Mr. f let me just say that I'm his first game, as his Baddie teammate I watched him play balls to the wall. We warned him certain actions are suspish and he said, screw it I am doing it my way anyhow. So, to be honest this all over the place stuff does not sit well with me because it is easy to write it off as someone being new, but I have see first hand how someone can play people using that newb card. On the other hand. mr. f is one freaking paranoid player and could sure come up with some outlandish crap. But then he does that as a Baddie too. And i feel the same way about Made, because he gives me the exact same impression here as Mr. F. frequently does. I am honestly still feeling like Made is the most likely to get my vote this day period.

P.S. I miss Mr. F!

[Mister Rearranger]

I will say it's incredibly different trying to figure Made out as another player compared to hosting him, haha. Having seen him play as a civ for an entire game, I don't really see anything that contrasts his play style, but objectively, there are a lot of things he's doing that would normally raise my suspicion of most players. :/

[Made]

Bullz lives in England, Faraday lives in Texas, so yeah, they probably were not on at the same time. He has not played a "strange game" he has actually given an opinion on everyone. And if you are trying to make a behavior based theory on someone, you can't "exclude" behavior that does not fit your theory.

You can when looking for abnormalities. What i'm saying is that his opinions weren't strong, including his on Me, Llama, You (SVS), Hedge.
Note this theory isn't really saying he's good or bad. Heck, the fact that he was so focused on one/two people might even appear more likely to be civvie. I mean fuck up the only theory you had all game and you wouldn't look too hot. By that logic, mafia would be hesistant to put all of their eggs in one basket.

[S~V~S]

What does that even mean?

[Made]

Imma go.with.some.combo.of.both. the.Mr f.comparisons are apt methinks.

If we are of the mind that he plays very like Mr. f let me just say that I'm his first game, as his Baddie teammate I watched him play balls to the wall. We warned him certain actions are suspish and he said, screw it I am doing it my way anyhow. So, to be honest this all over the place stuff does not sit well with me because it is easy to write it off as someone being new, but I have see first hand how someone can play people using that newb card.

I have never, and will never play the noob card. I know exactly what i'm doing and i'm calculated. Read me otherwise and you're reading me wrong.

[Made]

What does that even mean?

I'm not saying Bullz is bad. I'm saying his allignment might be able to be deduced from what he's said, specifically in that quote.

[Long Con]

Caught up here at Port Perry fair. I didn't click on that pastebin thing, but I don't understand what Made was up to with that "recreate the situation" a stuff. Was the point to make a game part that was offsite as the Chatzy was offsite? And then to argue with Enrique over the contents, which would then be made unavailable, I guess?

If anyone can verify S~V~S' claim about how her Roxy challenge warning works, someone who played the game with her, then that would be good. I don't think the specific meaning of the warning, or the claim that Made was doing what she warned against, affects my gut ping, since it was due to the frequency and earnestness of her warnings, as I recall.

I have to re-read Hedgeowl because I see a lot of chatter about her, and I only know about the vote she cast which is suspicious for some reason. A quick synopsis of the case against her would be helpful as I'm at the fair and can't really tear back like that easily.

[S~V~S]

Why do we want to deduce what peoples alignments are in the thread if we do not think they are bad? And that would be total conjecture.

Linki, so you think I am bad regardless of what i say or mean. Good to know, LC.

[S~V~S]

I tried very hard to explain to you personally, LC.

[Made]

or the claim that Made was doing what she warned against

Dispor made the warning while Roxy was away. Roxy is also the one who made the rule system. I don't think anyone's claimed the person who got hit with a warning was me beside me. Regardless, Roxy has since laxed her rules in regards to speculation.

Also in regards to Hedgie Gate, two reasons (i've seen ) make her suspect
1. She said the MP and SVS were both suspicious, but in a way that would of allowed her to bail if SVS or MP flipped civvie
2. She got suspicous of, and then voted for SVS very quickly without giving a strong reason.

[Made]

or the claim that Made was doing what she warned against

Dispor made the warning while Roxy was away. Roxy is also the one who made the rule system. I don't think anyone's claimed the person who got hit with a warning was me beside me. Regardless, Roxy has since laxed her rules in regards to speculation.

Just reread what LC said, SVS, you thought the warning was directed towards me?

[S~V~S]

Looking at the roster, Juliets played and she was one of my primary victims, and rey played, he was one of my teammates. But you say that you still think i am suspicious even if they corroborate me.

Linki, made, I have no idea what you are talking about. I thought you were suspicious for suspecting BWT for not being all that in the challenge. This is reminiscent of what happened in a game Roxy hosted in the past, that is what LC & I are talking about. NOT whatever you are talking about.

[S~V~S]

You are talking about something totally different, Made. What warning?

[Made]

You are talking about something totally different, Made. What warning?

During the Made/Llama saga, chat started moving really fast and we as a forum were on the subject of roles. Dispor said we were getting close to what could considered role speculating and that we needed to be careful.

[S~V~S]

or the claim that Made was doing what she warned against

Dispor made the warning while Roxy was away. Roxy is also the one who made the rule system. I don't think anyone's claimed the person who got hit with a warning was me beside me. Regardless, Roxy has since laxed her rules in regards to speculation.

Just reread what LC said, SVS, you thought the warning was directed towards me?

OK, Roxy has not relaxed her speculation rules. And i was the one who complained about the speculation, and the person who got the warning was you. That has zero to do with what LC was saying. He was talking about me warning against people trying to use the challenges to manipulate.

I am voting for you right now. You seem to be trying to just sow confusion.

[Made]

BIH DF.

@Hosts: Are we allowed to speculate about why there was only one kill, the teams, and all that stuff? I'm still a little confused by this.

If it pleases thyself to wonder about the universe that is this game then by all means please thyself.

One smidgen of a rolehint/role outing etc it will cease again.

Yes she did SVS, but thanks for the vote!

[S~V~S]

That is not a relaxation. That is a clarification.