JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:45 pm I would have a laugh though if mafia Seanzie tried to Night 1 me again.
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I have no idea what you're reading. If you say you're reading then I can believe that. I don't care. All I know is what I see in front of me, which is currently a spammy chit chat with Kito. If you want to catch up then catch up. Why do you care about this?Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:46 pmI clearly do give a poop though. I couldn't read anything yesterday, but you're ignoring the fact that I have actually been working my ass off to read up today. Maybe I don't read as fast as you folk (because i actually read all posts in full detail), but damn, not giving a poop? What?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:44 pmYou exist. If I have a gun to my head I call you town because you don't seem to give a poop. You're in my POE pool anyway.
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But like, given the circumstances, I am pretty sure I am clear-town off my analysis of the game thus far, and even if I am not clear town, it is clear I give a poop today. Super sus of JJJ off that.
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I don't care man, be super sus. I'm not trying to cramp your motivation, so by all means do the work. I am telling you though that I am not terribly conscious of the work you have done, and I have seen a lot of off-topic or fluff posts from you. That doesn't mean you've done nothing, but it does mean I have registered nothing in my long-term memory.
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holy shit that came out so big i'm sorry
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Have you just ignored the numerous posts I've made where I say exactly which page I'm on and a quick summary of my thoughts there?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:48 pmI have no idea what you're reading. If you say you're reading then I can believe that. I don't care. All I know is what I see in front of me, which is currently a spammy chit chat with Kito. If you want to catch up then catch up. Why do you care about this?Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:46 pmI clearly do give a poop though. I couldn't read anything yesterday, but you're ignoring the fact that I have actually been working my ass off to read up today. Maybe I don't read as fast as you folk (because i actually read all posts in full detail), but damn, not giving a poop? What?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:44 pmYou exist. If I have a gun to my head I call you town because you don't seem to give a poop. You're in my POE pool anyway.
I asked you because I am not sure how to read you yet. However, the juxtaposition of effort I've put in vs. what you're crediting me for (I am sure you've seen people who can't do D1, but make up for it D2 like I have), is striking.
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I am deep in an analytic dive of the game, and my focus is on the analyses I am writing. If I have overlooked things you've said, I doubt you're the only one. I am sure I will get around to it.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:52 pm Have you just ignored the numerous posts I've made where I say exactly which page I'm on and a quick summary of my thoughts there?
I asked you because I am not sure how to read you yet. However, the juxtaposition of effort I've put in vs. what you're crediting me for (I am sure you've seen people who can't do D1, but make up for it D2 like I have), is striking.
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I missed the chance to fluff yesterday, so a few of my in-the-moment posts were fluff, but most of what I've posted today has been analysis of multiple pages of D1. You ignoring my meaty posts suggests you aren't trying to sort me. Maybe I have a too-good impression of you as town, but I don't feel good about that.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:51 pmI don't care man, be super sus. I'm not trying to cramp your motivation, so by all means do the work. I am telling you though that I am not terribly conscious of the work you have done, and I have seen a lot of off-topic or fluff posts from you. That doesn't mean you've done nothing, but it does mean I have registered nothing in my long-term memory.
I'm not great in this game and I'll be honest about that, but I'm not poop, and have been working hard today to make up for yesterday. wtf?
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Do you not care, or are you deep in analysis?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:53 pmI am deep in an analytic dive of the game, and my focus is on the analyses I am writing. If I have overlooked things you've said, I doubt you're the only one. I am sure I will get around to it.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:52 pm Have you just ignored the numerous posts I've made where I say exactly which page I'm on and a quick summary of my thoughts there?
I asked you because I am not sure how to read you yet. However, the juxtaposition of effort I've put in vs. what you're crediting me for (I am sure you've seen people who can't do D1, but make up for it D2 like I have), is striking.
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you're overreacting to this bud. J isn't that far off the mark with you, there's an obvious cohort of frequent and memorable posters and you're not in itSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:56 pmI missed the chance to fluff yesterday, so a few of my in-the-moment posts were fluff, but most of what I've posted today has been analysis of multiple pages of D1. You ignoring my meaty posts suggests you aren't trying to sort me. Maybe I have a too-good impression of you as town, but I don't feel good about that.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:51 pmI don't care man, be super sus. I'm not trying to cramp your motivation, so by all means do the work. I am telling you though that I am not terribly conscious of the work you have done, and I have seen a lot of off-topic or fluff posts from you. That doesn't mean you've done nothing, but it does mean I have registered nothing in my long-term memory.
I'm not great in this game and I'll be honest about that, but I'm not poop, and have been working hard today to make up for yesterday. wtf?
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Maybe yesterday, but my posts today have been pretty damn nice imo.Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:59 pmyou're overreacting to this bud. J isn't that far off the mark with you, there's an obvious cohort of frequent and memorable posters and you're not in itSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:56 pmI missed the chance to fluff yesterday, so a few of my in-the-moment posts were fluff, but most of what I've posted today has been analysis of multiple pages of D1. You ignoring my meaty posts suggests you aren't trying to sort me. Maybe I have a too-good impression of you as town, but I don't feel good about that.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:51 pmI don't care man, be super sus. I'm not trying to cramp your motivation, so by all means do the work. I am telling you though that I am not terribly conscious of the work you have done, and I have seen a lot of off-topic or fluff posts from you. That doesn't mean you've done nothing, but it does mean I have registered nothing in my long-term memory.
I'm not great in this game and I'll be honest about that, but I'm not poop, and have been working hard today to make up for yesterday. wtf?
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Oh. That post is without a doubt something I’d be capable of producing as mafia.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:26 pmWell, I think it's fairly obviously but I will put it in words if I have to:Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:14 pmWhy was that sentence in particular so meaningful to your read on me?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:43 pmIt concerns me in thatSloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:39 pmWhy does that sentence concern you?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:36 pmCan someone tell me if this is in Sloon's scum-range or not
1. I don't think the thread was going to answer that for me if I didn't say it
2. I'm hopeful that I get cheap but maybe reliable reads on people, including higher-up players
I'm not in the mood for leaving myself potentially paranoid over decisions.
Mafia intend to deceive others. The above thought generally doesn't occur to a mafia-aligned player that their read or analysis may be wrong unless they're hunting 3P's. But in this case it can't possibly be about 3P-hunting since the sentence specifically refers to a flipped mafia-aligned player. Therefore unless the top-tier of players can't often naturally do this (i.e. have it in their scum-range) then I think it's a positive indicator.
I’m not though.
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To be clear: I do not think you're poop at all. If that's how my comment came across, then I apologize for that. I have seen you do some excellent work in both alignments in your short time playing where I can see you. I meant to convey a sense of being unworried about things in general and posting whatever you feel like, generally outside the realm of game relevance. I see town do that all the time, and it's not even "bad".Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:56 pm I missed the chance to fluff yesterday, so a few of my in-the-moment posts were fluff, but most of what I've posted today has been analysis of multiple pages of D1. You ignoring my meaty posts suggests you aren't trying to sort me. Maybe I have a too-good impression of you as town, but I don't feel good about that.
I'm not great in this game and I'll be honest about that, but I'm not poop, and have been working hard today to make up for yesterday. wtf?
I am not "ignoring" you. I don't think you understand what's involved with my analytic process. It's literally impossible for me to sustain awareness of every post occurring in the game thread AND dig through a million posts to sort out nutella interactions at the same time. I am quite sure I have missed some things that have happened/been said since I started working on these. That's just the way it goes. That clearly seems to include your posts, but it's definitely not only your posts. It's swaths of stuff said while I have been bunkered in my work. I can't be in two places at the same time.
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Yesterday as in the D1 he's reviewing right now?Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:00 amMaybe yesterday, but my posts today have been pretty damn nice imo.Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:59 pmyou're overreacting to this bud. J isn't that far off the mark with you, there's an obvious cohort of frequent and memorable posters and you're not in itSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:56 pmI missed the chance to fluff yesterday, so a few of my in-the-moment posts were fluff, but most of what I've posted today has been analysis of multiple pages of D1. You ignoring my meaty posts suggests you aren't trying to sort me. Maybe I have a too-good impression of you as town, but I don't feel good about that.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:51 pmI don't care man, be super sus. I'm not trying to cramp your motivation, so by all means do the work. I am telling you though that I am not terribly conscious of the work you have done, and I have seen a lot of off-topic or fluff posts from you. That doesn't mean you've done nothing, but it does mean I have registered nothing in my long-term memory.
I'm not great in this game and I'll be honest about that, but I'm not poop, and have been working hard today to make up for yesterday. wtf?
Giving me you vs plat vibes right now tbh
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Agreed. His concern about my post feels like a very town thought.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:28 pm I think Martin's town. Alison's read help; I think he looks town on his own too.
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I didn't take your poop comment as a jab against me in general, but in this game. My issue is that I asked you to give me a read on me MUCH MUCH earlier in the day, and you ignored that to do Nutella reads. No major issue at the surface, but I wanted to see how you read me, so I asked again, and even after two prompts, you gave a bad read. I fully support your analytic process, but I don't believe you bothered to apply it to me, which is what worries me.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:02 amTo be clear: I do not think you're poop at all. If that's how my comment came across, then I apologize for that. I have seen you do some excellent work in both alignments in your short time playing where I can see you. I meant to convey a sense of being unworried about things in general and posting whatever you feel like, generally outside the realm of game relevance. I see town do that all the time, and it's not even "bad".Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:56 pm I missed the chance to fluff yesterday, so a few of my in-the-moment posts were fluff, but most of what I've posted today has been analysis of multiple pages of D1. You ignoring my meaty posts suggests you aren't trying to sort me. Maybe I have a too-good impression of you as town, but I don't feel good about that.
I'm not great in this game and I'll be honest about that, but I'm not poop, and have been working hard today to make up for yesterday. wtf?
I am not "ignoring" you. I don't think you understand what's involved with my analytic process. It's literally impossible for me to sustain awareness of every post occurring in the game thread AND dig through a million posts to sort out nutella interactions at the same time. I am quite sure I have missed some things that have happened/been said since I started working on these. That's just the way it goes. That clearly seems to include your posts, but it's definitely not only your posts. It's swaths of stuff said while I have been bunkered in my work. I can't be in two places at the same time.
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Unfortunately this particular analytic process is about nutella interactions, and you don't have much to talk about on that front. I am sure that contributed to my perception. I promise to review your posts.Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:10 am I didn't take your poop comment as a jab against me in general, but in this game. My issue is that I asked you to give me a read on me MUCH MUCH earlier in the day, and you ignored that to do Nutella reads. No major issue at the surface, but I wanted to see how you read me, so I asked again, and even after two prompts, you gave a bad read. I fully support your analytic process, but I don't believe you bothered to apply it to me, which is what worries me.
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I do not understand what the concern is here, but I think you are town for having it.Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:10 amI didn't take your poop comment as a jab against me in general, but in this game. My issue is that I asked you to give me a read on me MUCH MUCH earlier in the day, and you ignored that to do Nutella reads. No major issue at the surface, but I wanted to see how you read me, so I asked again, and even after two prompts, you gave a bad read. I fully support your analytic process, but I don't believe you bothered to apply it to me, which is what worries me.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:02 amTo be clear: I do not think you're poop at all. If that's how my comment came across, then I apologize for that. I have seen you do some excellent work in both alignments in your short time playing where I can see you. I meant to convey a sense of being unworried about things in general and posting whatever you feel like, generally outside the realm of game relevance. I see town do that all the time, and it's not even "bad".Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:56 pm I missed the chance to fluff yesterday, so a few of my in-the-moment posts were fluff, but most of what I've posted today has been analysis of multiple pages of D1. You ignoring my meaty posts suggests you aren't trying to sort me. Maybe I have a too-good impression of you as town, but I don't feel good about that.
I'm not great in this game and I'll be honest about that, but I'm not poop, and have been working hard today to make up for yesterday. wtf?
I am not "ignoring" you. I don't think you understand what's involved with my analytic process. It's literally impossible for me to sustain awareness of every post occurring in the game thread AND dig through a million posts to sort out nutella interactions at the same time. I am quite sure I have missed some things that have happened/been said since I started working on these. That's just the way it goes. That clearly seems to include your posts, but it's definitely not only your posts. It's swaths of stuff said while I have been bunkered in my work. I can't be in two places at the same time.
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Jay, feel free to leave some inquiry or something for me to look into specifically and ping me if you'd like, I'd like to help in some way despite my time limitations during this phase. I'll be winding down for the night soon, busy day tomorrow, but surely I'll want a healthy mafia distraction at some point.
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I very specifically asked for an independent read though, if you didn't want to give one until you were done, that would be fine, but you did decide to give one, and now are talking about nutella interactions.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:12 amUnfortunately this particular analytic process is about nutella interactions, and you don't have much to talk about on that front. I am sure that contributed to my perception. I promise to review your posts.Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:10 am I didn't take your poop comment as a jab against me in general, but in this game. My issue is that I asked you to give me a read on me MUCH MUCH earlier in the day, and you ignored that to do Nutella reads. No major issue at the surface, but I wanted to see how you read me, so I asked again, and even after two prompts, you gave a bad read. I fully support your analytic process, but I don't believe you bothered to apply it to me, which is what worries me.
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You asked me to do it before I continued working. I thought you were asking me for a snap judgment, not to actually ISO you right then and there and get a full analytic developed read. That'll come later when I get to it.Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:14 amI very specifically asked for an independent read though, if you didn't want to give one until you were done, that would be fine, but you did decide to give one, and now are talking about nutella interactions.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:12 amUnfortunately this particular analytic process is about nutella interactions, and you don't have much to talk about on that front. I am sure that contributed to my perception. I promise to review your posts.Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:10 am I didn't take your poop comment as a jab against me in general, but in this game. My issue is that I asked you to give me a read on me MUCH MUCH earlier in the day, and you ignored that to do Nutella reads. No major issue at the surface, but I wanted to see how you read me, so I asked again, and even after two prompts, you gave a bad read. I fully support your analytic process, but I don't believe you bothered to apply it to me, which is what worries me.
For what it's worth I agree with Sloonei.
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It'd be cool to know what you think of nutella/Belzy. I don't want to bury myself in confirmation bias.Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:13 am Jay, feel free to leave some inquiry or something for me to look into specifically and ping me if you'd like, I'd like to help in some way despite my time limitations during this phase. I'll be winding down for the night soon, busy day tomorrow, but surely I'll want a healthy mafia distraction at some point.
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I did want a full developed read, but even a snap judgement that suggested you were following today would have been satisfactory. Didn't get that feeling though.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:17 amYou asked me to do it before I continued working. I thought you were asking me for a snap judgment, not to actually ISO you right then and there and get a full analytic developed read. That'll come later when I get to it.Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:14 amI very specifically asked for an independent read though, if you didn't want to give one until you were done, that would be fine, but you did decide to give one, and now are talking about nutella interactions.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:12 amUnfortunately this particular analytic process is about nutella interactions, and you don't have much to talk about on that front. I am sure that contributed to my perception. I promise to review your posts.Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:10 am I didn't take your poop comment as a jab against me in general, but in this game. My issue is that I asked you to give me a read on me MUCH MUCH earlier in the day, and you ignored that to do Nutella reads. No major issue at the surface, but I wanted to see how you read me, so I asked again, and even after two prompts, you gave a bad read. I fully support your analytic process, but I don't believe you bothered to apply it to me, which is what worries me.
For what it's worth I agree with Sloonei.
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Okay. I think this conversation has run it's course so I will leave to you assess as you will.
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This is confusing to me though because you would think that a mafia nutella would be able to survive easily enough if town Jay and Sloonei were pushing another direction. The logical answer being that Made (and maybe Owner) are mafia.Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:21 pmI'm not opposed. I suppose this could explain why nutella felt like unenthusiastic? for lack of a better word because it would indicate that her team was unable to control the thread narrative.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:18 pm I am absolutely serious about this tunnel by the way. If anyone has a good reason why mafia aren't contained in [Belzy, Act, bad bunny, Owner], please speak up. I include Owner primarily for connections with bad bunny and nutella -- different reasons, but tangential.
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I like this analysis, town would be willing to compromise for the highest chance of elimination within their scum or null pile, but this here looks like Bunny try to avoid commitment on the highest chance.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:13 pmSnipped for brevity and glow removed.
You had all three of these players in your "IDK" pile:
nutella
Made
Owner
With 3 minutes to go in the day, you placed a vote for Owner.
All three are in the same tier of your reads. You voted the one that was the least choppable at a time when your final decision had to be made imminently. With three minutes remaining Owner was highly unlikely to die. Why was Owner the vote?
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 2]
I think nutella is just unenthused as mafia tbh--we controlled the thread pretty good in modern family as a team and she still was kinda disengaged
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 2]
Yay, cool!JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:18 amIt'd be cool to know what you think of nutella/Belzy. I don't want to bury myself in confirmation bias.Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:13 am Jay, feel free to leave some inquiry or something for me to look into specifically and ping me if you'd like, I'd like to help in some way despite my time limitations during this phase. I'll be winding down for the night soon, busy day tomorrow, but surely I'll want a healthy mafia distraction at some point.
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 2]
Hmmm... yeah, and I was too. That’s a good point.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:23 amThis is confusing to me though because you would think that a mafia nutella would be able to survive easily enough if town Jay and Sloonei were pushing another direction. The logical answer being that Made (and maybe Owner) are mafia.Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:21 pmI'm not opposed. I suppose this could explain why nutella felt like unenthusiastic? for lack of a better word because it would indicate that her team was unable to control the thread narrative.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:18 pm I am absolutely serious about this tunnel by the way. If anyone has a good reason why mafia aren't contained in [Belzy, Act, bad bunny, Owner], please speak up. I include Owner primarily for connections with bad bunny and nutella -- different reasons, but tangential.
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 2]
That’s really good to know.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:25 am I think nutella is just unenthused as mafia tbh--we controlled the thread pretty good in modern family as a team and she still was kinda disengaged
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 2]
I think the main problem may be that neither Sloonei nor I were doing much pushing. We were vaguely pointing directions and seeing what people did. I think nutella knew she'd lost us, at least from the standpoint of getting a hard, fervent defense at EOD from my prior confusion at her wonky reception of suspicion and Sloonei's "not feisty enough". She even railed against him, which only resulted in he and I reading her worse. It's frankly a wonder Made got to 7/8 votes at all. I didn't expect that.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:23 amThis is confusing to me though because you would think that a mafia nutella would be able to survive easily enough if town Jay and Sloonei were pushing another direction. The logical answer being that Made (and maybe Owner) are mafia.Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:21 pmI'm not opposed. I suppose this could explain why nutella felt like unenthusiastic? for lack of a better word because it would indicate that her team was unable to control the thread narrative.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:18 pm I am absolutely serious about this tunnel by the way. If anyone has a good reason why mafia aren't contained in [Belzy, Act, bad bunny, Owner], please speak up. I include Owner primarily for connections with bad bunny and nutella -- different reasons, but tangential.
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 2]
Someone tell me why bad bunny's vote is not outing.
I never use that word because I think it's silly, but let's go wild. Why is that vote not outing?
I never use that word because I think it's silly, but let's go wild. Why is that vote not outing?
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 2]
Interactions of nutella and Acvscenei
From nutella
Orange - I highlight these only to mark the shift in nutella's read. She started clearly anti-Act with that initial dig and vote. Even that "no" response stands out a bit as it would seem to represent nutella beefing with Act's rationale instead of just tone or stilt. So that the shift takes place in response to Tangy and I discussing the unreliability of stilt as a tell could be significant. Act is receiving a break on the basis of something that didn't entirely define nutella's beef in the first place. This is a bit reachy on my part.
Green - This entire exchange is a meaty one worth a closer look. There's a tone to this conversation, particularly on nutella's side, that is... stilted. Both of them are lobbing up softballs e.g. please expand on X, could you elaborate on Y. I'd call it teammate compatible at least. It may be worse.
Cyan - The "maybe at this point" is almost gratuitously bad. One may peel off a layer of wifom to suggest it's deliberate. I am not going to be that generous.
The connection here can probably be reduced to nutella's initial handling of Act. Everything that came after she turned on the read looks bad to me. So was it a legit push in the first place? If so Act is town. I don't feel inspired to say it was legit or that nutella was really inclined to hold onto it in the initial moments.
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From Actvscenei
Orange - I highlight these as the instances when Act engaged nutella directly, the only such instances apart from those featured in the previous spoiler. The first one is nothing (but see below). The second one could be decent for Act. It's at least a good question, if not necessarily one that comes with much added pressure. It's okay.
There are a couple cases where Act zeroes in on Owner's interest in nutella saying "spicy". This bugs me a bit, as I can think of two mafia agendas for it -- 1) it's an easy accusation to deflect from one's teammate; nobody is getting chopped for saying "spicy", and 2) it helps to create a posture where Act can worsen the environment for Owner
Act's final vote landed on Dana and was alone.
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Conclusion
This is an interaction that I emerge from with some kind of actual intrigue, unlike some of the "compatible enough" level connections of previous assessments. This one actually looks like teammates at times, especially in that green point. I think they can be teammates, or perhaps more importantly I cannot discount them as teammates. Actvscenei is a suspect.
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Orange - I highlight these only to mark the shift in nutella's read. She started clearly anti-Act with that initial dig and vote. Even that "no" response stands out a bit as it would seem to represent nutella beefing with Act's rationale instead of just tone or stilt. So that the shift takes place in response to Tangy and I discussing the unreliability of stilt as a tell could be significant. Act is receiving a break on the basis of something that didn't entirely define nutella's beef in the first place. This is a bit reachy on my part.
Green - This entire exchange is a meaty one worth a closer look. There's a tone to this conversation, particularly on nutella's side, that is... stilted. Both of them are lobbing up softballs e.g. please expand on X, could you elaborate on Y. I'd call it teammate compatible at least. It may be worse.
Cyan - The "maybe at this point" is almost gratuitously bad. One may peel off a layer of wifom to suggest it's deliberate. I am not going to be that generous.
The connection here can probably be reduced to nutella's initial handling of Act. Everything that came after she turned on the read looks bad to me. So was it a legit push in the first place? If so Act is town. I don't feel inspired to say it was legit or that nutella was really inclined to hold onto it in the initial moments.
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Orange - I highlight these as the instances when Act engaged nutella directly, the only such instances apart from those featured in the previous spoiler. The first one is nothing (but see below). The second one could be decent for Act. It's at least a good question, if not necessarily one that comes with much added pressure. It's okay.
There are a couple cases where Act zeroes in on Owner's interest in nutella saying "spicy". This bugs me a bit, as I can think of two mafia agendas for it -- 1) it's an easy accusation to deflect from one's teammate; nobody is getting chopped for saying "spicy", and 2) it helps to create a posture where Act can worsen the environment for Owner
Act's final vote landed on Dana and was alone.
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Conclusion
This is an interaction that I emerge from with some kind of actual intrigue, unlike some of the "compatible enough" level connections of previous assessments. This one actually looks like teammates at times, especially in that green point. I think they can be teammates, or perhaps more importantly I cannot discount them as teammates. Actvscenei is a suspect.
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 2]
Surely there are wolves in the late made voters thenJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:28 amI think the main problem may be that neither Sloonei nor I were doing much pushing. We were vaguely pointing directions and seeing what people did. I think nutella knew she'd lost us, at least from the standpoint of getting a hard, fervent defense at EOD from my prior confusion at her wonky reception of suspicion and Sloonei's "not feisty enough". She even railed against him, which only resulted in he and I reading her worse. It's frankly a wonder Made got to 7/8 votes at all. I didn't expect that.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:23 amThis is confusing to me though because you would think that a mafia nutella would be able to survive easily enough if town Jay and Sloonei were pushing another direction. The logical answer being that Made (and maybe Owner) are mafia.Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:21 pmI'm not opposed. I suppose this could explain why nutella felt like unenthusiastic? for lack of a better word because it would indicate that her team was unable to control the thread narrative.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:18 pm I am absolutely serious about this tunnel by the way. If anyone has a good reason why mafia aren't contained in [Belzy, Act, bad bunny, Owner], please speak up. I include Owner primarily for connections with bad bunny and nutella -- different reasons, but tangential.
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 2]
Summary of my reviews so far for those who haven't felt like reading (understandably, but please at least look at the conclusions -- it's a tl;dr just for you). These colors refer exclusively to interactions with nutella. My overall holistic reads may differ in some ways, but likely not by much.
Long Con
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Seanzie
Owner
Belzy
bad bunny
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Sonny
Seanzie
Owner
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 2]
bad bunny was not convinced that the wagons were pure and going to be flips and didn't want to be on wagon and sometimes townies do thatJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:30 am Someone tell me why bad bunny's vote is not outing.
I never use that word because I think it's silly, but let's go wild. Why is that vote not outing?
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 2]
Reading LC and Hawk interactives I didn't get the impression you came out of them green?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:49 am Summary of my reviews so far for those who haven't felt like reading (understandably, but please at least look at the conclusions -- it's a tl;dr just for you). These colors refer exclusively to interactions with nutella. My overall holistic reads may differ in some ways, but likely not by much.
Long Con
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Owner
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 2]
Owner could well be. I think the off-wagon votes are generally worse though.
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 2]
If Owner is mafia do you think that has any implication on Bad Bunny or Made's alignment?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:50 amOwner could well be. I think the off-wagon votes are generally worse though.
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 2]
If I just blast through the wifom with total bravery I could call Long Con blue. Read his posts when nutella was trolling the game between the poll expiring and her flip and see how you feel. I don't think he knew she was flipping mafia.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:50 am Reading LC and Hawk interactives I didn't get the impression you came out of them green?
Hawk is subject to interpretation, but no I don't think he's one of the better fits with nutella. The Made vote is his big ding, and he's hardly alone there.
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 2]
Nutella wifom hours reads make me wanna punch myself in the faceJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:52 amIf I just blast through the wifom with total bravery I could call Long Con blue. Read his posts when nutella was trolling the game between the poll expiring and her flip and see how you feel. I don't think he knew she was flipping mafia.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:50 am Reading LC and Hawk interactives I didn't get the impression you came out of them green?
Hawk is subject to interpretation, but no I don't think he's one of the better fits with nutella. The Made vote is his big ding, and he's hardly alone there.
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 2]
*she re: hawk
It'd be a small tick in Made's favor if Owner is mafia I suppose. It'd lend credence to the notion of a save at least.
bad bunny and Owner would fit together like a glove. That terrible EOD vote on Owner would make perfect sense as an ill-advised distance.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:51 amIf Owner is mafia do you think that has any implication on Bad Bunny or Made's alignment?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:50 amOwner could well be. I think the off-wagon votes are generally worse though.
It'd be a small tick in Made's favor if Owner is mafia I suppose. It'd lend credence to the notion of a save at least.
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 2]
I am plenty arrogant enough to do it.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:53 am Nutella wifom hours reads make me wanna punch myself in the face
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 1]
yeah I guess it was a little strange, I wasn't reading that part of the thread super closely and idk how Belzy's thought process is so it didn't ping me super hard at the time. I wouldn't say my reads were detailed, and im not sure she said that either, but I think I assumed that maybe she thinks similarly to me and was just like "ok cool some feely reads" and expressed thatActvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:54 pm If you understand your reads were vague, and said again that you warned they’d be vague, then what do you make of Belzy’s response that your explanations were (paraphrasing here) good and satisfactory. Essentially she commended your reads list for the detail. You speak positively of Belzy, but I don’t understand how this matches up. Wouldn’t it have pinged you, knowing your reads were vague, that Belzy thought otherwise?
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 2]
here are some back and forths full of lots of questions from act. like I said, at the time I liked that she asked questions to seek clarification what I feel like was a good amount early onGuillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:07 pmI didnt ask you how you felt, i asked you what posts did you read to not want to suspect Act and townlean her. You've been vague even after giving you a second chance to out proper reads. @Danait feels to me like she was trying to be productive by asking questions and getting clarification for things. if you look at her ISO most of her middle day posts are lots and lots of questions, and I also like getting answers for things so I felt like that wasn’t bad. unsure if I still feel the same though, I’m gonna read her again
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im not evading your questions on purpose there were just a lot of them and I was jumping around answering them over time, some moments I have more motivation than in others. here are some belzy posts i liked initially, asking questions and gathering info abt ppl she's unfamiliar with and bringing up/trying to learn more about the site differencesGuillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:12 pmAre you purposely evading my questions? I asked what couples of posts were substantial to you? Point them out.Dana wrote: I warned that the whole list would be pretty vague.. Her back and forth with JJJ and with you towards the beginning of her ISO gave me the sense that she was really trying to get context and figure things out. substantial to me is actually saying things, even if its just vibes and feelings, or at least trying to work things along and make any type of progress with solving
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you missed the second part of this where I said most of the issue I had with it was your reaction to not being townread after asking not to be townreadGuillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:14 pmSo you acknowledge that what i did is something town would do and yet you scum read me for doing something a townie would do? What?! LolDana wrote: sure, mafia could ask to not be widely townread if that's something town would do and they are trying to act like they are town, but wifom I guess. I get it but it still feels strange to me, idk. maybe we just have different styles because when I am townread I am just kinda like.. "yeah. you're right. cool, good stuff"
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 2]
here's a copy of the poll I saved from sometime yesterday if it helps anything, i forgot to note down the time but it was probably ~12hrs before EoDJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:35 pmCool deal. That'd be a decent placement. Not necessarily spectacular. I don't think any other wagons had gotten much higher than 3 to that point if any (perhaps lost monkey hit 4?).MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:32 pm @JaggedJimmyJay I think Sonny was the 4th vote on Nutella. I believe it was myself, Alison/Nanook in some order and then I asked him to vote.
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 2]
That does help, thank you Dana. It gives a sense of the competition in that moment for the nutella wagon, which was at least enough to matter. 5-3. For Sonny's sake that's a decent moment, particularly given that he didn't move the vote to my knowledge.
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Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 2]
mmmm but he lives in Australia and was probably asleep for the last 6-7 hours of the day at minimumJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:01 am That does help, thank you Dana. It gives a sense of the competition in that moment for the nutella wagon, which was at least enough to matter. 5-3. For Sonny's sake that's a decent moment, particularly given that he didn't move the vote to my knowledge.
Re: Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [DAY 2]
No we vote Hawk.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:29 pm We chop between Belzy and Owner if they dont show up. Also Garden Gnome if they dont begin to contribute more, this will not be the game i lose to lurkers. No chance in hell.
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