Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [ENDGAME]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I also have zero trouble seeing a world where hawk and Owner are both mafia.

[Guillotine]

I feel like you both agree yet are saying entirely different things.

Sean: PoE larger with more scum
JJJ: Misyeet options fewer with more scum

YW

The only reasonable vote right now is Owner. Are you up for it?

How exactly is this true? Is it because you tracked her to Jay and there was no kill? Did you consider she might be the doctor? Or the fruit is a vest?

Or am I missing something?

Owner claimed fruit vender. You tell me. And I'm the drunk one....

What would you do if put into the situation she was and she was a strong pro town power role?

Not claim fruit vendor.

Mac, I get it. Your'e town and all, but I am in god mode right now. Just trust me.

Oh so you know Mac is town?

[Gavial]

I think you’re making too many mechanical assumptions Gavial. hawkataine is in the POE anyway and that may be enough for a vote, but let’s remember this is a role madness game.

Exactly!
It’s a role madness game so most certainly mafia can have a way of dealing with Doctor.

[Gavial]

I feel like you both agree yet are saying entirely different things.

Sean: PoE larger with more scum
JJJ: Misyeet options fewer with more scum

YW

The only reasonable vote right now is Owner. Are you up for it?

How exactly is this true? Is it because you tracked her to Jay and there was no kill? Did you consider she might be the doctor? Or the fruit is a vest?

Or am I missing something?

Owner claimed fruit vender. You tell me. And I'm the drunk one....

What would you do if put into the situation she was and she was a strong pro town power role?

Not claim fruit vendor.

Mac, I get it. Your'e town and all, but I am in god mode right now. Just trust me.

Oh so you know Mac is town?

Shit if your mafia your fuckin good.
Because like that’s another fuckin Townie response.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don’t think anyone answered @Dana’s question (or @Made), so I’ll just do it.

Yes I am still a leader as mafia and yes I still do mass analysis. Instead of reading me on effort, I suggest reading me on content. My view of the game says a lot more about my alignment than raw notions of what my posts look like.

[Kito]

@MacDougall
I think you might be right on Kito but Hawk is caught and Kito is clearly trying to save them!

Yeah I'm totally trying to save my red-checked teammate openly in thread with my non-existent clout or influence. Try again.

[Gavial]

IDGAF I’m hard town reading Guillo here it’s just so difficult to NOT call him Town.

[Guillotine]

[VOTE: Owner] aubergine

rly tho

If you're a flower vendor, why not say who you visited? Or at least say "no it wasn't Jay"?

She dodged Sean's question, even if it is a fake trap, it's a poor reaction.

Yeah I probs just gonna stop arguing with the drunk guy about the openwolf lol

Why did you in the first place though?

Are you not gonna protest about the openwolfing accusation?

[Gavial]

I don’t think anyone answered @Dana’s question (or @Made), so I’ll just do it.

Yes I am still a leader as mafia and yes I still do mass analysis. Instead of reading me on effort, I suggest reading me on content. My view of the game says a lot more about my alignment than raw notions of what my posts look like.

How about I read you on actions.
We will see if by EoD your vote is on Hawk or not.

[Gavial]

@MacDougall
I think you might be right on Kito but Hawk is caught and Kito is clearly trying to save them!

Yeah I'm totally trying to save my red-checked teammate openly in thread with my non-existent clout or influence. Try again.

So you aren’t voting what you admit to be a red check?
Your saving them by voting the CW that’s Town?

[Guillotine]

Okay, end of Page 9. Guillo pointed out possible wolves in Nutella/Alison. Guillo also went from simply bear posting to regular posting in a way I kind of like (he wanted to do a gimmick, but then it feels like he just got excited as town and dropped the gimmick). Clearly Nutella was a hit, and I agree about Alison thus far. Mac also kind of pushed in that direction, and Nutella seems to be trying to butter Mac up afterwards (defended Mac at some point, and talked about how good Mac was in spiderverse, blah blah blah), so I am giving Mac a few town points here. Guillo probably also good, but seems to be getting less reactions from Nutella and others. I'd like to see Alison's flip to help sort these two.

What would Alison's flip mean for Guillo and Mac?

At this point? Jack (I didn't intend this, but realized afterwards that I think the bear is called jack? very funny;)) shit in my mind. I have a singular focus. I feel like I am the owner of a whole new idea.

It's not a bear, it's a lion. And its name is Kon, the almighty... like me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’ll be real the biggest draw of the hawk wagon for me is Nanook’s vote. That he’s already given Gavial the necessary sarcasm and still placed the vote anyway speaks to my soul.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m interested to see how Not Drunk Seanzie feels about Owner.

[Kito]

@MacDougall
I think you might be right on Kito but Hawk is caught and Kito is clearly trying to save them!

Yeah I'm totally trying to save my red-checked teammate openly in thread with my non-existent clout or influence. Try again.

So you aren’t voting what you admit to be a red check?
Your saving them by voting the CW that’s Town?

If I were scum I'd know it was a red check or not. My entire point is that I don't.

Also I have another reason to scum read owner but idk how valid it is, can't really talk about it yet.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The conversation feels rather like a nitpick between two high “equity” suspects on a mafia team that probably has negative twelve confidence right now.

[Kito]

The conversation feels rather like a nitpick between two high “equity” suspects on a mafia team that probably has negative twelve confidence right now.

Do I sound unconfident to you?

[Guillotine]

By the way if there's a poison healer out there they should heal Alison.

I just saw this and realized if wolves poisoned Alison that's a pretty weird choice to poison someone on nutella's wagon, they must like not be worried about a healer at all.

It depends of what poisoner role is. If it's one shot, there is no healer as it is a one time thing and a healer would nerf it.
If it's every night, there could be two poisoners, one town and one wolf, with one town healer, meaning one poisoner holstered last night, surely the town one.

I havent seen a third party poisoner though. Do they exist?

[Kito]

By the way if there's a poison healer out there they should heal Alison.

I just saw this and realized if wolves poisoned Alison that's a pretty weird choice to poison someone on nutella's wagon, they must like not be worried about a healer at all.

It depends of what poisoner role is. If it's one shot, there is no healer as it is a one time thing and a healer would nerf it.
If it's every night, there could be two poisoners, one town and one wolf, with one town healer, meaning one poisoner holstered last night, surely the town one.

I havent seen a third party poisoner though. Do they exist?

Yea we had one on mafc once.

My bet's on lomo or sean if it's a 3p role, but I seem to remember lomo hinting at something else

[Guillotine]

I'm willing to vote bunny but I wanna hear act's opinion about it first. It's important I swear

Absolutely. I would love for those three or four to talk about one another at length.

By the way I didn't vote for anybody D1. How come I'm not in your off wagon voters POE?

Somebody else didn't vote but I can't find who it was, the vote count in the OP is making my eyes bleed

nutella - NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, MacDougall, Sonny, Alison, lost monkey, Guillotine, Made, Gavial
Made - Tangrowth, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, Long Con, Sloonei, hawkataine, Owner of a Lonely Heart
Owner of a Lonely Heart - Dana, Allcrab, Seanzie, bad bunny
Dana - Actvscenei
Guillotine - Belzy
No vote - Garden Gnome, Kito, MartinGG99

Excuse me but my vote ended on Nutella at EoD

[Guillotine]

IDGAF I’m hard town reading Guillo here it’s just so difficult to NOT call him Town.

Can you stop bootlicking me please? I hate bootlickers, yes im town, move on.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The conversation feels rather like a nitpick between two high “equity” suspects on a mafia team that probably has negative twelve confidence right now.

Do I sound unconfident to you?

Naw. I don’t figure you’re mafia. You’re in my POE only because I don’t know you and your nutella actions don’t clear you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Dizzy’s announcement of Alison being poisoned implies a healer exists.

[Sonny]

I'm willing to vote bunny but I wanna hear act's opinion about it first. It's important I swear

Absolutely. I would love for those three or four to talk about one another at length.

By the way I didn't vote for anybody D1. How come I'm not in your off wagon voters POE?

Somebody else didn't vote but I can't find who it was, the vote count in the OP is making my eyes bleed

nutella - NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, MacDougall, Sonny, Alison, lost monkey, Guillotine, Made, Gavial
Made - Tangrowth, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, Long Con, Sloonei, hawkataine, Owner of a Lonely Heart
Owner of a Lonely Heart - Dana, Allcrab, Seanzie, bad bunny
Dana - Actvscenei
Guillotine - Belzy
No vote - Garden Gnome, Kito, MartinGG99

Excuse me but my vote ended on Nutella at EoD

That’s what it says, the only reason made and gavial are listed after you is because they didn’t vote in thread so I don’t know when they voted.

[Guillotine]

@Owner of a Lonely Heart, who did you target with your fruit vendor ability?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also I have definitely seen independent poisoners and Marmot has been one before.

[Guillotine]

I think what we should do is to yeet Hawk and if there is a vigilante, it should kill Owner tonight.

[Sloonei]

Does nutella chainsaw me if she’s bad and about to get chopped?

When i was lurking at the end of they day, this post irked me a little. If you had that thought why move the vote when most of the day you sussed nutella?

I didn’t.

[Long Con]

I am a little suspect of Seanzie with his drunk posting. I got a bad feel or two when reading through earlier.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’ll be real the biggest draw of the hawk wagon for me is Nanook’s vote. That he’s already given Gavial the necessary sarcasm and still placed the vote anyway speaks to my soul.

<3

[Sloonei]

I think you’re making too many mechanical assumptions Gavial. hawkataine is in the POE anyway and that may be enough for a vote, but let’s remember this is a role madness game.

Exactly!
It’s a role madness game so most certainly mafia can have a way of dealing with Doctor.

Yes. nutella.

[Long Con]

I think you’re making too many mechanical assumptions Gavial. hawkataine is in the POE anyway and that may be enough for a vote, but let’s remember this is a role madness game.

Exactly!
It’s a role madness game so most certainly mafia can have a way of dealing with Doctor.

Yes. nutella.

So, we're assuming a Factional Kill Modifier is someone who can add flavours to the nightkill? Like, make it strongman, make it janitored, make it untrackable, kind of thing? It's vague to me, but I don't know if we're assuming what it does, or if some players are sure due to experience with the term before. Is it more specific, like "this kill can get through a bulletproof vest, and this one can defeat a doctor?"

[Sloonei]

I think you’re making too many mechanical assumptions Gavial. hawkataine is in the POE anyway and that may be enough for a vote, but let’s remember this is a role madness game.

Exactly!
It’s a role madness game so most certainly mafia can have a way of dealing with Doctor.

Yes. nutella.

So, we're assuming a Factional Kill Modifier is someone who can add flavours to the nightkill? Like, make it strongman, make it janitored, make it untrackable, kind of thing? It's vague to me, but I don't know if we're assuming what it does, or if some players are sure due to experience with the term before. Is it more specific, like "this kill can get through a bulletproof vest, and this one can defeat a doctor?"

I don’t know what else “factional kill modifier” could mean.

I regret engaging with this topic. I’d like to actively avoid all mechanics discussion unless we’re certain it is pertinent. This is not pertinent.

[Long Con]

I think you’re making too many mechanical assumptions Gavial. hawkataine is in the POE anyway and that may be enough for a vote, but let’s remember this is a role madness game.

Exactly!
It’s a role madness game so most certainly mafia can have a way of dealing with Doctor.

Yes. nutella.

So, we're assuming a Factional Kill Modifier is someone who can add flavours to the nightkill? Like, make it strongman, make it janitored, make it untrackable, kind of thing? It's vague to me, but I don't know if we're assuming what it does, or if some players are sure due to experience with the term before. Is it more specific, like "this kill can get through a bulletproof vest, and this one can defeat a doctor?"

I don’t know what else “factional kill modifier” could mean.

I regret engaging with this topic. I’d like to actively avoid all mechanics discussion unless we’re certain it is pertinent. This is not pertinent.

No prob, I'm done.

[Seanzie]

It is astonishing that Owner isn't buried in votes right now. Just vote her.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Owner] aubergine

rly tho

If you're a flower vendor, why not say who you visited? Or at least say "no it wasn't Jay"?

She dodged Sean's question, even if it is a fake trap, it's a poor reaction.

Yeah I probs just gonna stop arguing with the drunk guy about the openwolf lol

Why did you in the first place though?

Are you not gonna protest about the openwolfing accusation?

Owner is outed, so no.

[Seanzie]

I’m interested to see how Not Drunk Seanzie feels about Owner.

Not drunk Seanzie is fully convinced that we should be voting Owner.

[Sloonei]

It is astonishing that Owner isn't buried in votes right now. Just vote her.

What’s the rush?

[Sloonei]

I’m interested to see how Not Drunk Seanzie feels about Owner.

Not drunk Seanzie is fully convinced that we should be voting Owner.

She has teammates if you’re right. Find them

[Seanzie]

I feel like you both agree yet are saying entirely different things.

Sean: PoE larger with more scum
JJJ: Misyeet options fewer with more scum

YW

The only reasonable vote right now is Owner. Are you up for it?

How exactly is this true? Is it because you tracked her to Jay and there was no kill? Did you consider she might be the doctor? Or the fruit is a vest?

Or am I missing something?

Owner claimed fruit vender. You tell me. And I'm the drunk one....

What would you do if put into the situation she was and she was a strong pro town power role?

Not claim fruit vendor.

Mac, I get it. Your'e town and all, but I am in god mode right now. Just trust me.

Oh so you know Mac is town?

Drunken me seemed pretty confident about it. Sober me trusts drunken me's instincts, but is significantly less confident about it.

[Seanzie]

I’m interested to see how Not Drunk Seanzie feels about Owner.

Not drunk Seanzie is fully convinced that we should be voting Owner.

She has teammates if you’re right. Find them

Don't tell me what to do (as I tell everyone what to do).

[Seanzie]

It is astonishing that Owner isn't buried in votes right now. Just vote her.

What’s the rush?

For some reason I thought today was EoD. Now that I see it is not EoD in like 3 hours, there is less rush. Still a good idea to vote her though.

[Sloonei]

It is astonishing that Owner isn't buried in votes right now. Just vote her.

What’s the rush?

For some reason I thought today was EoD. Now that I see it is not EoD in like 3 hours, there is less rush. Still a good idea to vote her though.

And since that is the case, we have ~27 hours to look into other suspects and refine our reads on Owner. What are some questions you'd like to have answered in that time?

[Seanzie]

Just as a summary, I truly was in the golden zone of drunkeness last night. I know myself, I am an artist-type and I get into that sort of zone sometimes where I have clarity and do some of my best work like that. I know when I am being a dumbass and when I am hot shit, and while I am definitely not going to promise that everything I said last night was completely correct, I was hot shit.

Owner - wolf. 10/10 dentists agree that you should vote her.

Sonny - not outed, but definitely deserves a strong look.
JJJ - not outed, but definitely deserves a strong look.
Mac - probably town.
Dana - probably town, but everyone already knew that.

Unfortunately, those were the only people I majorly interacted with, so I only split the game half open, rather than wide open.

[Seanzie]

It is astonishing that Owner isn't buried in votes right now. Just vote her.

What’s the rush?

For some reason I thought today was EoD. Now that I see it is not EoD in like 3 hours, there is less rush. Still a good idea to vote her though.

And since that is the case, we have ~27 hours to look into other suspects and refine our reads on Owner. What are some questions you'd like to have answered in that time?

"what am I going to eat?" is the question I'm currently focused on finding an answer to. I'll eventually come back around to hunting though. I'm just still in victory-lap mode after last night.

[Sloonei]

Does nutella chainsaw me if she’s bad and about to get chopped?

When i was lurking at the end of they day, this post irked me a little. If you had that thought why move the vote when most of the day you sussed nutella?

I didn’t.

Clarification: The "I didn't" here is in response to both me moving my vote and me "sussing nutella" most of the day.

I arrived in the thread a couple hours before the deadline. Nutella's wagon had taken off since I'd last checked in. I was intrigued by the names on the wagon. I then picked a little fight with nutella and thought her response(s) looked bad. But I voted for Made because I also thought his play looked weak at the time. I never voted for nutella. I did not begin to suspect her until about 2 hours before the deadline.

I think you are town, lost monkey. So don't take this objection as some sort of suspicion. I just think you either misunderstood my progression on nutella, or you have me confused for somebody else.

[Sloonei]

Just as a summary, I truly was in the golden zone of drunkeness last night. I know myself, I am an artist-type and I get into that sort of zone sometimes where I have clarity and do some of my best work like that. I know when I am being a dumbass and when I am hot shit, and while I am definitely not going to promise that everything I said last night was completely correct, I was hot shit.

Owner - wolf. 10/10 dentists agree that you should vote her.

Sonny - not outed, but definitely deserves a strong look.
JJJ - not outed, but definitely deserves a strong look.
Mac - probably town.
Dana - probably town, but everyone already knew that.

Unfortunately, those were the only people I majorly interacted with, so I only split the game half open, rather than wide open.

Would you be able to articulate why you are so confident about Owner?
Some detailed thoughts on Sonny would be cool too.

[Belzy]

If I drop dead, Tang is confirmed town. Otherwise, she will drop dead instead and flip as scum, and I will be confirmed town. Stay tuned.

[Sloonei]

If I drop dead, Tang is confirmed town. Otherwise, she will drop dead instead and flip as scum, and I will be confirmed town. Stay tuned.

Neat

[Guillotine]

[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine
[VOTE: Owner] aubergine
[VOTE: Hawk] aubergine

I'm totally ok with any of these yeets today.

[Seanzie]

Just as a summary, I truly was in the golden zone of drunkeness last night. I know myself, I am an artist-type and I get into that sort of zone sometimes where I have clarity and do some of my best work like that. I know when I am being a dumbass and when I am hot shit, and while I am definitely not going to promise that everything I said last night was completely correct, I was hot shit.

Owner - wolf. 10/10 dentists agree that you should vote her.

Sonny - not outed, but definitely deserves a strong look.
JJJ - not outed, but definitely deserves a strong look.
Mac - probably town.
Dana - probably town, but everyone already knew that.

Unfortunately, those were the only people I majorly interacted with, so I only split the game half open, rather than wide open.

Would you be able to articulate why you are so confident about Owner?
Some detailed thoughts on Sonny would be cool too.

I'd rather not, but I'll bet my life on an Owner scum flip.

Sonny looked very strongly like he wanted to distract me and others from my push on Owner last night. Sonny also felt uncomfortable in my interactions with him. It is hard to articulate exactly what it was that I was feeling with regards to him, but Sonny doesn't like wolfing, and I got strongly uncomfortable vibes from Sonny that reminded me of Wolf!Sonny (I've only seen him wolf once, so take this for what you will). So, super strong wolf!Sonny vibes, plus his actions having scum motive (attemping to move the thread away from an outed partner).