PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [END]

[sunbae]

dont know what to tell ya

[outed wolf]

i could get used to this pacing of games tbh

people not wall posting like crazy, still plenty of stuff in the thread

[Marluxion]

@Hally Make a read on me, do it for science!

What’s your cases on me?
@Hally
@staypositivefriend

you seem like a wolf

Wait lol, Hally and SPF are voting what used to be a 4 post Gavial. LOL

@Hally @staypositivefriend I'm going to crush your dreams if any or both of you are mafia and I get to ever read this game. Terrible votes!

i’m pretty happy with my vote, actually

braindead take:

this kinda feels like a bus

[sunbae]

For someone who's first post said they are going to refuse to play you sure are doing a lot of playing

Are you unhappy about that?

I'm doing playing. I'm not doing a lot of reading. It's the reading I find insufferable at this point. Not that you all aren't great writers.

Absolutely not, play all you want
I was just pointing it out before people attempt to case you for being low effort just because you said you were gonna be in your post 1, when that is clearly not going to be the case

i think this doesnt make sense at all

[Marluxion]

For someone who's first post said they are going to refuse to play you sure are doing a lot of playing

Are you unhappy about that?

I'm doing playing. I'm not doing a lot of reading. It's the reading I find insufferable at this point. Not that you all aren't great writers.

Absolutely not, play all you want
I was just pointing it out before people attempt to case you for being low effort just because you said you were gonna be in your post 1, when that is clearly not going to be the case

i think this doesnt make sense at all

welcome to my brain 2 hours after i usually go to sleep but i'm still awake because of a crippling forum mafia addiction

[sunbae]

wow i dont think ive ever felt a post in my every fiber of my soul that much before marl lol

[outed wolf]

dont know what to tell ya

sunbae in thread:



sunbae mentally:

[outed wolf]

@Hally Make a read on me, do it for science!

What’s your cases on me?
@Hally
@staypositivefriend

you seem like a wolf

Wait lol, Hally and SPF are voting what used to be a 4 post Gavial. LOL

@Hally @staypositivefriend I'm going to crush your dreams if any or both of you are mafia and I get to ever read this game. Terrible votes!

i’m pretty happy with my vote, actually

braindead take:

this kinda feels like a bus

considered it too, felt a little... lameduck though - as in id expect if hally is gonna bus they are gonna go all the way and this just felt like your average player bus if that not your hyper hally bus

[sunbae]

dont know what to tell ya

sunbae in thread:



sunbae mentally:

quick time to blend in

[Marluxion]

what do your reads generally look like rn, zack?

bronana
bronana


prob town, wouldn't touch today
nutella
vulgard


slight town i guess
amy
outed wolf
spf - considered putting you in the tier beneath this one tho
sunbae


i'm not super thrilled with them, but grouping them in the tier below felt intensely wrong
dyslexicon
tangrowth


nullish / meh
alison
c4
hally
marl


nullish / meh with feeling
arete
kza


wolfy
dya
gavial

i dont know if its actually >rand wolfy but it is an extreme pet peeve of mine when people feel the need to include their own name in their read list

[sunbae]

I'm putting my 0-1 wolves in this group at <amy, c4, dya, alison, vulgard> and am gonna hope I can feel good about it in postgame. I'm also gonna bounce cause sleep is good

[outed wolf]

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

dont think dya needs my vote rn.

just feel a sense of overconfidence.

[Marluxion]

@Hally Make a read on me, do it for science!

What’s your cases on me?
@Hally
@staypositivefriend

you seem like a wolf

Wait lol, Hally and SPF are voting what used to be a 4 post Gavial. LOL

@Hally @staypositivefriend I'm going to crush your dreams if any or both of you are mafia and I get to ever read this game. Terrible votes!

i’m pretty happy with my vote, actually

braindead take:

this kinda feels like a bus

considered it too, felt a little... lameduck though - as in id expect if hally is gonna bus they are gonna go all the way and this just felt like your average player bus if that not your hyper hally bus

take any and all takes on hally with an extreme grain of salt as i've never seen hally w before yet

[outed wolf]

what do your reads generally look like rn, zack?

bronana
bronana


prob town, wouldn't touch today
nutella
vulgard


slight town i guess
amy
outed wolf
spf - considered putting you in the tier beneath this one tho
sunbae


i'm not super thrilled with them, but grouping them in the tier below felt intensely wrong
dyslexicon
tangrowth


nullish / meh
alison
c4
hally
marl


nullish / meh with feeling
arete
kza


wolfy
dya
gavial

i dont know if its actually >rand wolfy but it is an extreme pet peeve of mine when people feel the need to include their own name in their read list

really? its basically common practice everywhere ive been and completely nai

they are a villager (or pretending to be one) so why wouldnt they put themselves at the top

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ciao sunbae

[Marluxion]

it's probably NAI yes but it still annoys me

[Amy]

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

dont think dya needs my vote rn.

just feel a sense of overconfidence.

insubordinate and churlish

[Marluxion]

also real villagers dont need to include themselves in their readlists since it's a foregone conclusion that everybody knows they are town if they are town

[outed wolf]

also real villagers dont need to include themselves in their readlists since it's a foregone conclusion that everybody knows they are town if they are town

[outed wolf]

i like having all the alive players in the playerlist in my reads list, even if its me or mech clears/outed wolves, etc

[outed wolf]

wheres your head at amy? still dya? gavial/alison thing? where outside of there?

[Amy]

idm putting mech clears in your list but i do think it's kinda silly to include yourself

but it's NAI-silly so whatever, follow your dreams

rain check on other thoughts cause i'm multitasking rn, just wanted to pop in and shitpost a lil

69th post nice

[Marluxion]

who the heck is visor

[sunbae]

that gif made me remember that rango is a weird and messed up movie
pretty good tho

[Vulgard]

9 pages to read, doubt I'll be able to catch up but I'll try.

Explain the dya wagon like I'm 5 so I can at least check if I want to vote there? Wagon formation looks sketchy to me. Might reach my own conclusion if I manage to catch up before EoD.

[staypositivefriend]

i have somewhat liked outed wolf's posts over the last page or so. he is poking and prodding and making observations that have a fairly high depth of thought that is reminiscent of the stuff that made me townread him in rocks fall. feels like he's in ~detective mode~, and that was a mindset that i felt was missing from his posts earlier in the day

vulgard/nutella/marluxion are my three strongest townreads.

the tier below that is c4 and amy

the "mildly good feelings but in the territory of names that i'm most likely to misread on d1" tier is dyslexicon, outed wolf, tangrowth, and sunbae. i usually have one wolf that manages to slip into the upper tier of my POE on d1 of games like these that i don't find until later, and i feel that this particular pool of names is the most likely to include the wolf(ves) that i am misclearing or misreading.

my current feeling is that ideally, there are two or three wolves in the pool of alison/arete/broana/dyachei/gavial/hally/kza, and then one deeper wolf outside

this might come off like salad, but i find it helpful to think about the game in tiers like this

[Amy]

i have a couple of minutes actually

if gav is town my desire to kill alison rises exponentially

Me being right about people is a towntell, not a scumtell.

it's not about you being right

it's the fact that, at the time you posted that other gav iso, there was exactly NOTHING i detected in that iso that was at all similar to how he was playing this game

and i think the simplest explanation as to how you're seeing something that isn't necessarily there is that you have TMI that you're looking at 2 villa isos

I think you're still misunderstanding her point, she wasn't ever calling it similar to this game she was calling it similar to seths wolfrange in general

Also why do you think wolf alison would shield town gav idgi

sure but the context that she brought it up in was basically:

alison: "gav's towngame sometimes falls into his wolfrange"

not-alison (i'm not going back to check who this was, fight me): "do you have an example?"

alison: "yeah here" links game where gav was way townier than he is here

like, by exact wording, you're correct, but i think there's a clear insinuation that this game is supposed to be comparable to that one, and i rly think it just... isn't.

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visor: my primary thinking rn is that i wanna go back and reread the whole gav/alison/dya thing and see how it looks from a distance, cause in real time it was an absolute mess

i feel... a little better about hally, i think. i think they way they were constantly poking at alison and kept coming back with new points about it was very "villager actively thinking about events". it's not unfakeable but it felt pure in the moment

i'm still not entirely sure what to do with arete besides "go try reading them again and see if that helps"

i actually think you voting me is a decent look for you? unless you're intentionally banking on me remembering you doing the same thing in the org game and collecting a townread for it like you did there

but i do agree that i've been posting more confidently this game than perhaps i typically do, or at least than i have in a while - i honestly think it's the pfp, completely unironically

i think my previous "these people could be wolves" pool is still a fine pool of elim candidates today and i think i'd largely feel uncomfortable going outside it unless something big goes down between now and EoD

...but with all the in-fighting within that pool (again, gav/alison/dya is a mess) i'm starting to come around to zack's world of "it's probably harder than that", and i'm honestly unsure where i go next

idk, it' s a decent foundation at least

[Amy]

i have somewhat liked outed wolf's posts over the last page or so. he is poking and prodding and making observations that have a fairly high depth of thought that is reminiscent of the stuff that made me townread him in rocks fall. feels like he's in ~detective mode~, and that was a mindset that i felt was missing from his posts earlier in the day

vulgard/nutella/marluxion are my three strongest townreads.

the tier below that is c4 and amy

the "mildly good feelings but in the territory of names that i'm most likely to misread on d1" tier is dyslexicon, outed wolf, tangrowth, and sunbae. i usually have one wolf that manages to slip into the upper tier of my POE on d1 of games like these that i don't find until later, and i feel that this particular pool of names is the most likely to include the wolf(ves) that i am misclearing or misreading.

my current feeling is that ideally, there are two or three wolves in the pool of alison/arete/broana/dyachei/gavial/hally/kza, and then one deeper wolf outside

this might come off like salad, but i find it helpful to think about the game in tiers like this

spf lock v never rescinding for thinking about readslists in exactly the same way i do

this post is only half ironic

[bronana]

the sequence of visor badgering sunbae about the ordering of names in parentheses and pushing amy when there is close to zero chance that goes through
plus i agree with most of what he says and don't really find anything objectionable, think he's just a villager

i don't understand people saying marl is obvtown, his posts seem almost trivially easy for a wolf to fake and he is making no real impact on the game that i can tell

putting your own name at the top of a readslist was standard convention when i started playing on mu so i adopted it, and i like to see all the living players for my own reference. it baffles me that anyone cares about this in the slightest, what a weird thing to give a shit about

on that note i did find it odd spf asked me for a readslist and never followed up after i did so

[Marluxion]

i have somewhat liked outed wolf's posts over the last page or so. he is poking and prodding and making observations that have a fairly high depth of thought that is reminiscent of the stuff that made me townread him in rocks fall. feels like he's in ~detective mode~, and that was a mindset that i felt was missing from his posts earlier in the day

vulgard/nutella/marluxion are my three strongest townreads.

the tier below that is c4 and amy

the "mildly good feelings but in the territory of names that i'm most likely to misread on d1" tier is dyslexicon, outed wolf, tangrowth, and sunbae. i usually have one wolf that manages to slip into the upper tier of my POE on d1 of games like these that i don't find until later, and i feel that this particular pool of names is the most likely to include the wolf(ves) that i am misclearing or misreading.

my current feeling is that ideally, there are two or three wolves in the pool of alison/arete/broana/dyachei/gavial/hally/kza, and then one deeper wolf outside

this might come off like salad, but i find it helpful to think about the game in tiers like this

i dont really disagree on outed but i'm not sure who else i want to vote yet
brain is saying to vote hally but i've been wrong on hally literally every time i've tried to read them
brain is also saying i promised seth i'd policy him d1 for how he won his last wolf game on FoL in which he did nothing but roleplay as a cat

[Vulgard]

This isn't my preferred way of doing things but I think I'll post whatever comes to my mind. Not knowing if I'll be able to come back in time hurts.

what do your reads generally look like rn, zack?

bronana
bronana


prob town, wouldn't touch today
nutella
vulgard


slight town i guess
amy
outed wolf
spf - considered putting you in the tier beneath this one tho
sunbae


i'm not super thrilled with them, but grouping them in the tier below felt intensely wrong
dyslexicon
tangrowth


nullish / meh
alison
c4
hally
marl


nullish / meh with feeling
arete
kza


wolfy
dya
gavial

I like this readlist. I'm at the point in the thread when people are casing dya and I see it.

I get why people doubt Marl is town. For me, it was a snap reaction to his posting in real time that made me townread him. He voiced a thought about Sunbae in the exact same way it appeared in my brain when I first read the thread. Late mindmeld, kind of. It's possible I'm putting too much stock into it, but I also think he's been tonally ~fine. I have some recent experience watching village!Marl and his posting so far has seemed to match that. One thing about his posting is that it looks like he's holding back, but I attribute that to this being a light game. He's usually a hyperposter and doing that in this game would run him out of posts prematurely.

[Marluxion]

i don't understand people saying marl is obvtown, his posts seem almost trivially easy for a wolf to fake and he is making no real impact on the game that i can tell

i either have no impact or way too much impact depending on how tunneled i am

[Marluxion]

One thing about his posting is that it looks like he's holding back, but I attribute that to this being a light game. He's usually a hyperposter and doing that in this game would run him out of posts prematurely.

i'm holding back not out of fear of running out of posts but rather out of fear of giving hally an aneurysm by tunneling them again if they are a villager

[Marluxion]

the more i say it the dumber it feels

[VOTE: Hally] aubergine

no more holding back

[Arete]

@Vulgard

if you don't have time to read all the posts in the thread can you just read my posts? there aren't very many of them and I think if we can find each other as town that'll be really good

[Marluxion]

Aretree engaging pocket vulgard protocol

[bronana]

@Vulgard

if you don't have time to read all the posts in the thread can you just read my posts? there aren't very many of them and I think if we can find each other as town that'll be really good

probably a villagy post

[Vulgard]

it's super frustrating to finally rand town in a game with visor and zack and have them not even explain their shitty reads on me

Super wolfy reaction to the threadshift. "Why are they catching me already. Screw Visor and Zack in particular."

Sunbae vs spf doesn't matter @ their alignments to me. I didn't walk away from it thinking either was more villagery than before. I'm not seeing anything there other than a discussion about what seems like minutiae. In particular, SPF bringing up a post she wrote as town (essentially self-meta) isn't AI. I think she'd do that as either alignment. As for the handling of it from Sunbae's side of things, there was a decent level of inquisitiveness. Nothing outside of the scope of a good wolf, though, which Sunbae is. I'm saying this while townreading Sunbae. I have respect for their wolfgame.

@ Arete (just now) I'll try.

[Marluxion]

I dont know who visor is and at this point i'm too afraid to ask

[bronana]

I dont know who visor is and at this point i'm too afraid to ask

outed wolf

[bronana]

anyone else this game keep having stretches where they read a bunch of posts in this thread and think "I have nothing to say about any of this" or is that just me

[Vulgard]

it's super frustrating to finally rand town in a game with visor and zack and have them not even explain their shitty reads on me

there's not much to say and i don't want to get into a fight about it, you just don't seem like town dya so far I doubt you will go down today while Gav exists, if you're town I should get there in time.

what are your three strongest reads in either direction?

alison most wolfy - have talked about her

towniest is probably tangy. I had them as sort of towny before but I liked their wall, too. I just think there was a lot of detail in there that wouldn't be if he were a wolf?

I didn't care for alison's posts either, but I know from past experience with her as v/v (admittedly small sample) that I find a non-trivial part of her approach to the game somewhat alien. She's also barely posted and it was all on page 1/2 iirc, hoping to get a better handle on her when she returns.

interesting, I did like tangy's wall and possibly am being unfair with her. lol maybe i'm just used to getting an extensive sampling of 500 posts where i can immerse myself in her mindset and see the villagy POV

any thoughts on amy, nutella, or gavial?

i have amy as probably villa. It's kind of a feel thing with amy

nutella actually feels wrong to me. I know I was fucking around with you guys when I said her posts aren't bad yet...but they haven't been good either. I'm not getting that v nutella tone I'm used to seeing. She kind of feels like she did in the game where she was 3p

Underlined and put the relevant thought in cursive. I used bolding before but that doesn't stand out on my screen at all. I can barely see it.

Dya, how does this read relate to the current game? The 3p comparison looks out of place considering this setup is town vs mafia only. Does nutella playing like you saw her play 3p make her a wolf? If so, how does it make her a wolf? (potentially)

I forgot gavial but I sort of touched on it in my reply to dizzy. gav is playing an antitown game at minimum but I'm not really sure what that means for his alignment

People including myself have brought up a strong meta argument. I haven't changed my mind. Has it changed yours? Have you even noticed it being brought up in the thread?

gotta say if dizzy is a wolf i don't see the point of going to bat so vociferously for gavial like this, regardless of gavial's alignment

it's super frustrating to finally rand town in a game with visor and zack and have them not even explain their shitty reads on me

there's not much to say and i don't want to get into a fight about it, you just don't seem like town dya so far I doubt you will go down today while Gav exists, if you're town I should get there in time.

what are your three strongest reads in either direction?

alison most wolfy - have talked about her

towniest is probably tangy. I had them as sort of towny before but I liked their wall, too. I just think there was a lot of detail in there that wouldn't be if he were a wolf?

I didn't care for alison's posts either, but I know from past experience with her as v/v (admittedly small sample) that I find a non-trivial part of her approach to the game somewhat alien. She's also barely posted and it was all on page 1/2 iirc, hoping to get a better handle on her when she returns.

interesting, I did like tangy's wall and possibly am being unfair with her. lol maybe i'm just used to getting an extensive sampling of 500 posts where i can immerse myself in her mindset and see the villagy POV

any thoughts on amy, nutella, or gavial?

i have amy as probably villa. It's kind of a feel thing with amy

nutella actually feels wrong to me. I know I was fucking around with you guys when I said her posts aren't bad yet...but they haven't been good either. I'm not getting that v nutella tone I'm used to seeing. She kind of feels like she did in the game where she was 3p

tbh i am still not really jiving with nutella's posts and am relying more on a bunch of people who seem to know her well insisting this is her town meta

I don't see a point either, but can you walk me through your thought process?

[Vulgard]

anyone else this game keep having stretches where they read a bunch of posts in this thread and think "I have nothing to say about any of this" or is that just me

I'd normally call this post wolfy but I kinda agree. Except in my case it might be a case of "tired/busy but still trying to read the thread and not registering everything."

[Marluxion]

their posts are indeed posts

Fair enough. I feel the same.

the fair enough wolftell

[Marluxion]

anyone else this game keep having stretches where they read a bunch of posts in this thread and think "I have nothing to say about any of this" or is that just me

definitely not just you

[Marluxion]

after reading 2 pages the only thing i even thought to comment on was that alison fair enough post LMAO

[bronana]

gotta say if dizzy is a wolf i don't see the point of going to bat so vociferously for gavial like this, regardless of gavial's alignment

I don't see a point either, but can you walk me through your thought process?

at the time i was thinking a wolf would probably either bus to some degree or try to subtly steer the yeet elsewhere (if gav is a wolf), or encourage the wagon or at least not get in the way if he's town. Thinking about it now though I think it could make some sense as a TMI white knighting of a villager, or just some other kind of brazen play. Tangentially related, I'm a little worried that people cleared dizzy way too easily.

[Marluxion]

I forgot gavial but I sort of touched on it in my reply to dizzy. gav is playing an antitown game at minimum but I'm not really sure what that means for his alignment

i would not even describe what he's doing right now as anti-town
i would describe it as nothing at all

[bronana]

[VOTE: KZA] aubergine

do stuff

I forgot gavial but I sort of touched on it in my reply to dizzy. gav is playing an antitown game at minimum but I'm not really sure what that means for his alignment

i would not even describe what he's doing right now as anti-town
i would describe it as nothing at all

same

even after all those posts from him a few hours ago he is still doing nothing other than the random mechanics post

[Vulgard]

I don't know how to put this gently so I am just going to ask if you are all aware that Gavial is Seththeking and that being anti-town is NAI for him.

I'm wolfreading him on meta. He's a polarized player and I always catch him when he's wolfing. I have also never misyeeted him. Given these prerequisites and his play in this game so far, he's mafia. Trust me.

If you need proof I'm not bullshitting, I can link three separate occasions where I catch him as a villager. I can also link occasions where I correctly clear him even though his play is awful.

dya v for thinking the scumreads on them are unfair

Why do you think this? Your takes have been fine so far, but this one stands out as unjustified to me.

i'm not voting gavial for being anti-town. he can be anti-town all he wants. i'm voting gavial for being wolfy. i am willing to listen if people feel that he's still within his village meta or if they feel that he's rand, but i dont get why youre framing the votes on gavial as being about gavial being "anti-town" when they're actually about gavial being wolfy

I actually agree with SPF here. Alison's framing of the Gavial wagon stands out as odd to me. Several players have presented a strong meta argument. I have a lot of experience with Gavial myself. I have never been wrong on his alignment.

I lean V on Dizzy after some consideration. I think a wolf doesn't break the flow of the thread like this just to brag that they won't play the game. Re: their LOUD BOMBASTIC ENTRANCE where they DECLARE they will NOT play. Re: their LOUD BOMBASTIC ENTRANCE where they DECLARE they will NOT play. People call this type of thing wolf WIFOM but I've never actually seen someone like this flip W.

I don't actually know Dizzy's wolfrange, but I wouldn't expect this "maneuver" from any wolf. You can invite people to yeet you without breaking threadflow and magnetizing attention. Wolf!Dizzy wouldn't pop into the thread just to scream "yeet me" and shitpost. In fact, there's even a comparison to be made when you look at KZA's entrance. I brought this up earlier. KZA's entrance is the type of "shitpost wahaha I may or may not care about this game" posting I'd expect from a wolf. Rather than what Dizzy did.

Arete latching onto Dizzy and considering a yeet there, especially calling it "policy..." Rubs me the wrong way. Sure, if Dizzy's a wolf playing like this, losing to it would suck, but this shouldn't be v!Arete's first thought. This feels more like pointing a finger and calling attention. "Hey guys, there's this one dude who posted stuff about wanting to get killed. Maybe we should do it somewhere down the line, idk." It's a very subtle suggestion and I think it's very wolfy.

Since it's one wolfy thing in a string of passable posts by Arete, I'm still content not tunneling them to the death. But this isn't the way of thinking I expected from v!Rete.

I believe Dizzy's entrance is NAI but I liked their earnest defense of Gavial regardless of Gavial's alignment. White-knighting Gavial doesn't make a lot of sense; you'd be taking on a lot of heat for very little benefit and can even be accused of TMI. Defending a scumbuddy Gavial like this is just begging to be POE'd forever if he flips red which there is a high chance of.

The thing is, I thought that was an obvious meme. The defending Gavial thing. I'm surprised people are taking it seriously. Regardless of alignment, I'm 99% sure Dizzy was meming with the Gavial defense. Specifically because it was against consensus and against the top wagon. Dizzy decided to own it for fun.

Tangrowth's posts keep flying past me and it's increasingly concerning to me.

[Marluxion]

page 13 especially gives me extreme wolves-trying-to-look-towny vibes
the way the entire poe turned on each other rather than outward makes me feel like our PoE is either mostly correct or completely wrong