The Elder Scrolls [GAME OVER]

[Timsup2nothin]

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

He could be trying to lay cover, but all the town artifacts were, as far as we know, lost from town players back on Night 4.

My only Hesitancy with looking too far into TSP is whether or not you believe he would lay a full scathing case on falcon that ultimately led to his scum buddy’s death.

Weirder things have happened but that’s a bold mafia bus move

That's also a fully possible 3P move. Might have been town siding. Might have had some way to know Falcon had the razor and wanted it discharged because the Mace makes him vulnerable.

True true.

So if tsp is 3p, what do we do with that?
If he wanted to say, come out with his win con, I’d be on board helping him out if we can do so

Since you have been on hiatus and I think @Vulgard has as well...in my last Sloonei game I died on like day ten screaming "WRF are you stupid townies doing, you don't even think I am a wolf and Alison has claimed to not be town???" Shortly after that Alison claimed victory as 3P...S O L O victory. And much whining was done by the townies that met her day one 3P claim with "oh, okay then, let us help you win."

TL;DR if you guys try to help the 3P win I will flip right the fuck out here. If TSP actually claimed 3P there then we are full stop on the wolf hunting for now and INCINERATING him. Period, full stop.

If you're talking about GoC, then Sloonei was my mafia teammate, and Epi/dunya hosted that one.

I still blame Sloonei. He's the champ and fully responsible for everything. But yeah, my bad.

[Timsup2nothin]

Meanwhile, until I am better rested and less grumpy I'm

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

just because it feels good.

And maybe he's just a wolf under all the madness.

Or Sheogorath.

Or Sloonei.

[Long Con]

LC is blind as a bat apparently and he’s very vague about everything when he visits shrines.

“I now know that nothing happens.

*unless*

And *unless* hasn't happened yet.”

Whatever that means

I think LC is 3P/scum

No, I am town. I can claim my full role if it will help you out.

Long Con's vote pattern does suggest possible scum equity. He hasn't placed a single vote on mafia yet.

And you think that makes me look like scum? Really? That's how I would play with TMI?

It's evidence of that yes. Are you telling me you'd play it differently?

Days 1-3, we didn't have a strong scum wagon except for falcon Day 1. But we did yeet scum Day 4 and 5, and you weren't on either of those wagons.

Yes, I am telling you I would have played it differently if I were scum.

[Gavial]

Actually I think I’ve solved it.
Marmot is Mafia with either Scotty or Tim.
If SK is 3P it’s Tim.
If Exe is 3P it’s Long Con with Vulgard as target
If 3P is something else, it’s Scotty.

Also that Marmot big wagon I think was a scum thus Marmot is scum due to the fact Mafia seem to be playing it more solo like and not really caring to help each other out.

[Gavial]

For Proof:
Look out Falcon + LW

[Gavial]

At*

[TonyStarkPrime]

now where are we on the info train

[Long Con]

Well, I guess Exe isn't 3p then, whatever Exe is.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm glad that we're at a point where we feel good enough about hte game state that we can vote out gav

[Gavial]

Meanwhile, until I am better rested and less grumpy I'm

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

just because it feels good.

And maybe he's just a wolf under all the madness.

Or Sheogorath.

Or Sloonei.

Fuck you figured it out!
I’m Sloonei.

[Gavial]

Thought I’d burrow Gavial’s account for this game

[Marmot]

Actually I think I’ve solved it.
Marmot is Mafia with either Scotty or Tim.
If SK is 3P it’s Tim.
If Exe is 3P it’s Long Con with Vulgard as target
If 3P is something else, it’s Scotty.

Also that Marmot big wagon I think was a scum thus Marmot is scum due to the fact Mafia seem to be playing it more solo like and not really caring to help each other out.

Hardclaim masons with tim.

I don't know what Exe is.

[DaisyCloud]

Man skimming back eod 4 is wild. Even more wild is Daisy’s last hour. Check this progression, because in a vaccuum- if I hadn’t seen how she played prior- this eod is bizarre and makes me sus of her:

Spoiler: show

I'm not voting Marmot or tim.

Marmot doesn't seem to care if they get yeeyed or not.

@lost monkey you need to vote

@lost monkey you need to vote

Lost Monkey not voting is really not statistically different from you being on a one vote vanity wagon Daisy.

The real "could happen" choices here are me, Marmot, or Falcon, and you just said not me and not Marmot...so you should just get on Falcon so we know at a glance where you stand.

@lost monkey you need to vote

Lost Monkey not voting is really not statistically different from you being on a one vote vanity wagon Daisy.

The real "could happen" choices here are me, Marmot, or Falcon, and you just said not me and not Marmot...so you should just get on Falcon so we know at a glance where you stand.

yep do that

I might sheep the dead townie.

I know I already asked this, but who is the dead townie thst can vote today?

I know I already asked this, but who is the dead townie thst can vote today?

I forget.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine for science

Pretty scummy thing to do, with the scum having some sort of extra voting power.

Qwags I think and there has been no sign of them.

oh okay. thank u

@Qwags don't forget to vote. ♡

I'm not voting Marmot or tim.

Marmot doesn't seem to care if they get yeeyed or not.

Why not Tim @DaisyCloud ?

why not you?

vote for falcon or you're a wolf it's as easy as that

qwags probably not gonna vote

all the wagons is probably wrong

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergineoh

why does jack care for who I'm not voting tim when we got others not voting tim too.

I might vote tim. but it depends.

Because I think you’re town and as the game goes on, town needs to get more and more on the same page. I can’t have you off on your own or naysaying wolf wagons without really thinking about it.

And as much as I think Tim is a wolf, if you have strong reasoning that shows I’m wrong, I really wanna hear it.

That’s why I care.

if Marmot is town, which i believe he is based on something I think I read then tim probably is scum.

I could be completely wrong and stupid tho

this is a 3 way tie now

@Marmot please don't avoid my question

@Marmot please answer

Did he protect KZA?

do you know who protected kza? was kza protected

I don't know?! You're the ones talking about it lol

Did he?

just to clarify u r saying it wasn't you. you didn't

daisy unless you have some pretty hard info here this train of speculation is not correct

@Marmot please answer

I did answer.

did u or did u not protect kza?

when did u answer

domestic mean Marmot is wolf

does this*

@Kylemii Marmot says he didn’t protect kza

but what did he mean when he said he could and/or couldn't protect kza

idk.

but u see why I'm all weird on Marmot, tim and gavial

mostly Marmot and gavial.

She is hesitant to place a vote and even calls out for help in who we now know is wolf (LM) and even goes so far as to say ‘help me obi-wan’ dead unknown townie (qwags).
She spends absolutely no processing power on falcon, and completely deflects to this marmot claiming doctor business. This is already bizarre that she’s caught up in it because she starts this progression by saying she won’t vote for Tim or marmot that day. Her vote for falcon comes around 30 min before eod. I can’t be sure, but this mayyyy have tied it 4-4-4. I think. She doesn’t move it after jack and marmot jump on falcon to push it over the edge, but she demonstratively ignores the falcon dilemma the entire day.

Is that towny behavior? I’m bad at reading in to those kind of things apparently, but this is bizarre either way

iirc I was hesitant because I was needing to know if Marmot was doc or not. iirc I was asking Kyle t9 look at stuff for me and Marmot to answer my question.

I was being vague because I didn't want to make it where if Marmot was scum he could be like oh yeah or whatever.

I was vague to Kyle too because incase I was wrong.

turned out I was and thrn I had to think about my vote then.

iirc I scum read monkey because he just town read me for 0 reasons and then I posted frustration because he had do few posts and. I did vote lost monkey. and I was annoyed that jack basically said same stuff about monkey and everyone listening to him but not me.

iirc peeps earlier in game was all saying monkey was town.

You recalled correctly.

But I was more bringing attention to the fact that you did all those things while selectively ignoring falcon. Which you’re still doing now.

I just didn’t see any justification of why you were voting falcon except that you put yourself in that corner by stating you didn’t want to vote marmot or tim

I never ignored falcon.

even tho at that time Marmot said it was a meme for him to say he was going to protect kza, I still town read him. same for tim. so I voted falcon.

iirc i made posts where I said I thought falcon was scummy. I might not have done it at eod. but still isn't me ignoring falcon.

i haven't ignored anyone.

[Marmot]

Oh is Exe and Executioner?

[Marmot]

I think Tim is town, and I didn't want to yeet falcon for reasons unrelated to this game.

For context, this post came during I believe twilight after Day 1 ended. Sean was yeeted over falcon 6-3.

@Long Con is this something you can explain now or no?

[Vulgard]

Actually I think I’ve solved it.
Marmot is Mafia with either Scotty or Tim.
If SK is 3P it’s Tim.
If Exe is 3P it’s Long Con with Vulgard as target
If 3P is something else, it’s Scotty.

Also that Marmot big wagon I think was a scum thus Marmot is scum due to the fact Mafia seem to be playing it more solo like and not really caring to help each other out.

I thought I would never say this, but that take from Gavial actually isn't horrible.

[Scotty]

If gavial is bad, he had Jack’s face on a dart board the day before.
Why kill jack then?

[DaisyCloud]

here is the thing about Gavial, Marmot, Scotty. and Kyle.


their claims of actions and such can all be easily debunked, lies, or even not neccesarily alignment indicative.

what's stopping some of them being a mafia team and just verifying each other?

scotty stated previously in game he can learn people's races. so Marmot saying that.. well it tells us whst? he reads and has memories?

I mean it's nice to read people talking about their nite actions and others be all like yeah that sounds legit, but is it?

same with the discussion with Vulgard about Gavial's shrine abilities too.

do people not get this all too?

I mean maybe it is all kosher. but idk .

[DaisyCloud]

oh the image doesn't load here lol. it shows up on mobile

I'm. on mobile and it doesn't load

[Scotty]

oh i don't have an artifact I'm just bad at counting and thought i could draw a razor shot

i have now counted

I mean you announcing that you have an artifact would draw a shot, since there is one more non-mafia artifact out there. You not counting doesn’t matter

[Timsup2nothin]

what's stopping some of them being a mafia team and just verifying each other?

Because there is only two mafia left. So in the Gavial/Marmot/Kyle triangle at least one of them is not coordinating with the others.

[DaisyCloud]

but cmon pinging your teammate in thread to save your other teammate is maybe a bit too much right

I would like to think you guys wouldn't think I was such a stupid useless TvMer that I would do something like that as mafia.

btw vtl= vote to lynch

[Scotty]

here is the thing about Gavial, Marmot, Scotty. and Kyle.


their claims of actions and such can all be easily debunked, lies, or even not neccesarily alignment indicative.

what's stopping some of them being a mafia team and just verifying each other?

scotty stated previously in game he can learn people's races. so Marmot saying that.. well it tells us whst? he reads and has memories?

I mean it's nice to read people talking about their nite actions and others be all like yeah that sounds legit, but is it?

same with the discussion with Vulgard about Gavial's shrine abilities too.

do people not get this all too?

I mean maybe it is all kosher. but idk .

I don’t think it’s out of the question that 2 mafia left could be verifying each other.

But if one flips the other is had in this small context. I’m not so certain they would be as careless unless they were super confident they would never be killed

[Scotty]

What are the odds mafia still have a blocker in their midst?

[Timsup2nothin]

oh i don't have an artifact I'm just bad at counting and thought i could draw a razor shot

i have now counted

I mean you announcing that you have an artifact would draw a shot, since there is one more non-mafia artifact out there. You not counting doesn’t matter

It does matter, because without retracting he wasn't gonna live long enough to draw a shot. Promise whatever you want, but if the 3P outs here I am killing them.

[DaisyCloud]

Well, I guess Exe isn't 3p then, whatever Exe is.

I'm think exe is executioner

[Scotty]

oh i don't have an artifact I'm just bad at counting and thought i could draw a razor shot

i have now counted

I mean you announcing that you have an artifact would draw a shot, since there is one more non-mafia artifact out there. You not counting doesn’t matter

It does matter, because without retracting he wasn't gonna live long enough to draw a shot. Promise whatever you want, but if the 3P outs here I am killing them.

Maybe he retracted *because* you’re hunting 3rd party elephants like you’re Trump Jr out here

[DaisyCloud]

what's stopping some of them being a mafia team and just verifying each other?

Because there is only two mafia left. So in the Gavial/Marmot/Kyle triangle at least one of them is not coordinating with the others.

I keep missing up the 3 and one of those is the 3rd party right?

[Scotty]

I don’t think the 3P in this game would be so simple as to “get another player lynched” as I recall the executioner being

[Timsup2nothin]

oh i don't have an artifact I'm just bad at counting and thought i could draw a razor shot

i have now counted

I mean you announcing that you have an artifact would draw a shot, since there is one more non-mafia artifact out there. You not counting doesn’t matter

It does matter, because without retracting he wasn't gonna live long enough to draw a shot. Promise whatever you want, but if the 3P outs here I am killing them.

Maybe he retracted *because* you’re hunting 3rd party elephants like you’re Trump Jr out here

Soooo...is 3P, put out a feeler, didn't like the response?

Are you trying to get me to kill TSP here?

[Scotty]

what's stopping some of them being a mafia team and just verifying each other?

Because there is only two mafia left. So in the Gavial/Marmot/Kyle triangle at least one of them is not coordinating with the others.

I keep missing up the 3 and one of those is the 3rd party right?

Who do you currently think is the 3p

[Scotty]

oh i don't have an artifact I'm just bad at counting and thought i could draw a razor shot

i have now counted

I mean you announcing that you have an artifact would draw a shot, since there is one more non-mafia artifact out there. You not counting doesn’t matter

It does matter, because without retracting he wasn't gonna live long enough to draw a shot. Promise whatever you want, but if the 3P outs here I am killing them.

Maybe he retracted *because* you’re hunting 3rd party elephants like you’re Trump Jr out here

Soooo...is 3P, put out a feeler, didn't like the response?

Are you trying to get me to kill TSP here?

I’m not the 3P hunter here, I’m just looking at things as I see em

[Scotty]

Aaaanyway TSP, everyone but Tim is willing to work with you if your wincon is achievable. I can pencil you in

[DaisyCloud]

of the 3rd party is sk or executioner thrn we definitely need to eliminate them via nk or lynch.

if 3rd party is say survivor or lol,...

tim is merchant... merchant is a 3rd party role. (maybe im thinking vendor.. any who it is mostly a benign role iirc) the apple vendor just hands out apples.. lol in my home community we had apple vendor could give out poison apples. so vendor could be bad

[DaisyCloud]

if* the 3rd party

not of

[Scotty]

LC is blind as a bat apparently and he’s very vague about everything when he visits shrines.

“I now know that nothing happens.

*unless*

And *unless* hasn't happened yet.”

Whatever that means

I think LC is 3P/scum

No, I am town. I can claim my full role if it will help you out.

[Marmot]

There is only one 3P role according to the OP, so tim and TSP cannot both be 3P.

I think there's two different people talking about each of these names, but just putting that reminder out.

I do believe TSP that he just wasn't paying attention, so I'm not inclined to think he's 3P from what he said earlier about having an artifact. If he was 3P, I'd think he'd pay more attention and also absolutely not try to draw a razor kill.

[Scotty]

There is only one 3P role according to the OP, so tim and TSP cannot both be 3P.

I think there's two different people talking about each of these names, but just putting that reminder out.

I do believe TSP that he just wasn't paying attention, so I'm not inclined to think he's 3P from what he said earlier about having an artifact. If he was 3P, I'd think he'd pay more attention and also absolutely not try to draw a razor kill.

Fair. Why MR?

[Scotty]

I’ve said this before, but it would make sense to me for the 3P win con to have something like “guess 3 players’ race correctly, and in doing so, kill them and you win”

Otherwise marmot and myself knowing Tim is Hispanic means nothing in the broad context

[Timsup2nothin]

of the 3rd party is sk or executioner thrn we definitely need to eliminate them via nk or lynch.

if 3rd party is say survivor or lol,...

tim is merchant... merchant is a 3rd party role. (maybe im thinking vendor.. any who it is mostly a benign role iirc) the apple vendor just hands out apples.. lol in my home community we had apple vendor could give out poison apples. so vendor could be bad

The "roles" from the roles list was stated to be a completely separate rand. In my case for example I randed as Imperial Merchant with my little peddling trinkets at shrines gig instead of getting blessings and my ability to buy vig shots if I peddled enough (basically a slow charge vig). THEN I randed town.

[Marmot]

There is only one 3P role according to the OP, so tim and TSP cannot both be 3P.

I think there's two different people talking about each of these names, but just putting that reminder out.

I do believe TSP that he just wasn't paying attention, so I'm not inclined to think he's 3P from what he said earlier about having an artifact. If he was 3P, I'd think he'd pay more attention and also absolutely not try to draw a razor kill.

Fair. Why MR?

He made a post yesterday which implied that he was a member of a low-performing mafia team.

And he's POE.

And he's said very little today.

[Scotty]

Ah I just realized why the 3P would not want to come out right now- if that last razor shit hasn’t been expended 3p is toast for sure tonight

[Long Con]

I think Tim is town, and I didn't want to yeet falcon for reasons unrelated to this game.

For context, this post came during I believe twilight after Day 1 ended. Sean was yeeted over falcon 6-3.

@Long Con is this something you can explain now or no?

Yeah, the Bluey game is over. Falcon had just been yeeted as town on Day 1 in that game on the same day, and I didn't want to yeet him on Day 1 here as well.

What are the odds mafia still have a blocker in their midst?

Probably pretty good odds, considering the multifunctional nature of many of the roles. JOATs everywhere.

Well, I guess Exe isn't 3p then, whatever Exe is.

I'm think exe is executioner

Still never heard of it before, so it's a role that has the win con of certain executions happening?

LC is blind as a bat apparently and he’s very vague about everything when he visits shrines.

“I now know that nothing happens.

*unless*

And *unless* hasn't happened yet.”

Whatever that means

I think LC is 3P/scum

No, I am town. I can claim my full role if it will help you out.

Sure, why not? I don't see the harm.

I can visit any shrine I wish each night, and if a player who visits the same shrine as me gets nightkilled then I get their most recent/current night action report.

[Long Con]

So I've been mostly sticking with Tim in the hopes that he would draw more players, increasing my chances of not being vanilla.

[Timsup2nothin]

That makes sense actually.

[Timsup2nothin]

We need to just hang out at the shrines that give investigative powers, so if someone goes there and uses the investigative, but dies, you get their report. If we just follow the town lemmings to the chaos shrine even if we get you a report it won't be anything good anyway.

[Scotty]

I think Tim is town, and I didn't want to yeet falcon for reasons unrelated to this game.

For context, this post came during I believe twilight after Day 1 ended. Sean was yeeted over falcon 6-3.

@Long Con is this something you can explain now or no?

Yeah, the Bluey game is over. Falcon had just been yeeted as town on Day 1 in that game on the same day, and I didn't want to yeet him on Day 1 here as well.

What are the odds mafia still have a blocker in their midst?

Probably pretty good odds, considering the multifunctional nature of many of the roles. JOATs everywhere.

Well, I guess Exe isn't 3p then, whatever Exe is.

I'm think exe is executioner

Still never heard of it before, so it's a role that has the win con of certain executions happening?

LC is blind as a bat apparently and he’s very vague about everything when he visits shrines.

“I now know that nothing happens.

*unless*

And *unless* hasn't happened yet.”

Whatever that means

I think LC is 3P/scum

No, I am town. I can claim my full role if it will help you out.

Sure, why not? I don't see the harm.

I can visit any shrine I wish each night, and if a player who visits the same shrine as me gets nightkilled then I get their most recent/current night action report.

So I've been mostly sticking with Tim in the hopes that he would draw more players, increasing my chances of not being vanilla.

Everything makes so much sense now. The pocketing, the note you received.

The internal question I now have it whether or not that makes you any less mafia for it

[Scotty]

I’m gonna say less for now.

[VOTE: Vulgard] aubergine

[Kylemii]

Ah I just realized why the 3P would not want to come out right now- if that last razor shit hasn’t been expended 3p is toast for sure tonight

razor shit :0

[Scotty]

Also, LC’s role lines up with Syn’s ability, and makes sense why he was interrogating people on their shrine visits D3.

That’s a town play I feel