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[Long Con]

Seriously, does any player in this game actually believe that JJJ suspects me?

If so, I have some beautiful swampland in Florida to sell you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

And however “anti-town” you want to suggest I am, literally spamming is never pro town. Stop that.

How is he spamming again?

Filling my entire phone screen with HAs

[Long Con]

Get a bigger phone and stop whining, wolf.

[Guillotine]

Oh I forgot about this absolute gem 10 minutes after EoD1 twilight where everyone in the thread thinks nutella will flip town (because that's how it looks) except gnome

Everyone is the thread thought Nutella was flipping town? Are you sure about that?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Get a bigger phone and stop whining, wolf.

Did you read hawk as town before this day phase?

[Guillotine]

And however “anti-town” you want to suggest I am, literally spamming is never pro town. Stop that.

How is he spamming again?

Filling my entire phone screen with HAs

That is not spamming, that is jut you having a small phone screen, get an iphone plus or a tablet

[Long Con]

Get a bigger phone and stop whining, wolf.

Did you read hawk as town before this day phase?

I already answered that, wolf. Get some new material.

[Guillotine]

Get a bigger phone and stop whining, wolf.

I hate how LC and I are saying the same shit here.

[Long Con]

Oh I forgot about this absolute gem 10 minutes after EoD1 twilight where everyone in the thread thinks nutella will flip town (because that's how it looks) except gnome

Everyone is the thread thought Nutella was flipping town? Are you sure about that?

I thought she was. She Twilight-tricked me.

[hawkataine]

A general hawk gripe that occurs to me: when Gavial tunneled her with his block, a good portion of her responses related to whether or not the mafia team would actually send her to do the kill. This is not really the right mindset, or at least not the one I see more often from falsely redded town. The more common theme is No. /end argument

Act’s response to Seanzie’s fake red today is more along those lines for example.

I want to respond to this, because it's not accurate, with just some demonstrative quotes (which were the first posts I made once I realised gav wasn't joking) plus a general hand wave in the direction of the gav vs. seanzie persistence comparison

Okay, in which I promise you do not actually have this red check

At least answer me this.
Did you visit anyone at all last night?

I did not.

oh jeez gavial's claim really snowballed didn't it

I have a limited shot ability that I really don't want to claim but I did not go anywhere or do anything last night. Like literally nothing happened. Either he's lying or redirection etc. has happened

[VOTE: Actv] aubergine

Wtf...I literally didn’t do anything last night. Either you’re lying or you were given wrong information.

[Long Con]

I hate how Guillo and I are agreeing so much.

[Long Con]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Long Con did you read hawkataine as town before this day phase began, and if so why?

No, I had no read on Hawk before this day phase began.

Okay I missed this. Why is hawk town?

[hawkataine]

Oh I forgot about this absolute gem 10 minutes after EoD1 twilight where everyone in the thread thinks nutella will flip town (because that's how it looks) except gnome

Everyone is the thread thought Nutella was flipping town? Are you sure about that?

10 minutes after twilight, that was the impression I got from the game state, given that she was pretending to be town.

[Long Con]

@Long Con did you read hawkataine as town before this day phase began, and if so why?

No, I had no read on Hawk before this day phase began.

Okay I missed this. Why is hawk town?

I said everything I have to say about Hawk already, wolf. Usually you love ISOs, is that just when you roll town? That makes sense.

[hawkataine]

Aaaaaaand I'm done talking to gnome today, please make her answer my questions once I flip

Next up: Dana

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That’s fair, hawk. I’m acting on general memory here, and that point struck me because I don’t really think it’s true (that hypothetical mafia hawk would never be sent for the kill; some teams would always do that).

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Long Con did you read hawkataine as town before this day phase began, and if so why?

No, I had no read on Hawk before this day phase began.

Okay I missed this. Why is hawk town?

I said everything I have to say about Hawk already, wolf. Usually you love ISOs, is that just when you roll town? That makes sense.

I’m phone posting from an airplane. Get over yourself.

[Long Con]

Town JJJ remembers posts much better than this, because he needs to in order to solve.

This JJJ is just asking questions he thinks look solvy.

[Seanzie]

@JaggedJimmyJay have you thought more about Sloonei?

[Long Con]

@Long Con did you read hawkataine as town before this day phase began, and if so why?

No, I had no read on Hawk before this day phase began.

Okay I missed this. Why is hawk town?

I said everything I have to say about Hawk already, wolf. Usually you love ISOs, is that just when you roll town? That makes sense.

I’m phone posting from an airplane. Get over yourself.

I'll get over YOU when you flip wolf. Until then, my spirit haunts you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This dialogue is nearing toxicity so I will end it.

[Long Con]

@JaggedJimmyJay have you thought more about Sloonei?

Sloonei is town, and JJJ has absolutely been angling to say the opposite. Don't believe his lies.

[Long Con]

This dialogue is nearing toxicity so I will end it.

Good, I love the last word, and I have shit to do.

JJJ is a wolf. Don't yeet him today, just do it after I die.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay have you thought more about Sloonei?

Only vaguely. Too little time to truly dig. I still don’t think he looks “bad” necessarily, and if hawk is mafia that’ll be even more true. At face value, he has fallen to sleep more than I’d like. He’s gotta do Sloonei things soon or I’m going to have concerns.

[hawkataine]

Can I just clarify whether Dana used to play a bit and then spent a while not playing, or whether she's new-new?

[hawkataine]

JJJ I will answer your question about my view of your town beacon-ness when I do your ISO, I'm not ignoring you I just want to be accurate

[Guillotine]

@JaggedJimmyJay have you thought more about Sloonei?

Sloonei is town, and JJJ has absolutely been angling to say the opposite. Don't believe his lies.

LongCon, look, I've entertained the idea he is, you are not alone in this, but I've also entertained you are.

In JJJ's wolf world, who could be his teammates?

[MartinGG99]

@MartinGG99 a reads list from you would also go a long way.

My current reads list looks like this:

As of p#4925

Actvscenei - Town-Lean
Alison - Town
Allcrab - Town-Lean
bad bunny - Scum-Lean
Dana - Town-Lean
Garden Gnome - Dunno
Guillotine - Town
hawkataine - Scum
JaggedJimmyJay - Town
Long Con - Dunno
lost monkey - Town-Lean
MacDougall - Dunno
Made - Town-Lean
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Town-Lean
Sloonei - Town
Seanzie - Town
Sonny/Orange - Dunno
Tangrowth - Town

Basically you can see this as:

Town - I would never allow a deletion here.
Town-Lean - I would review them a bit more and probably defend them somewhat (or more if my town-lean or read is reassured) if they were on a chopping block.
Dunno - I would not care if this person was or wasn't on a chopping block; I have no confident read on them yet.
Scum-Lean - I would prefer to see this person gone, and would suggest it if one of my town-leans or town-reads are an alternative. Otherwise, who I prefer tends towards who's flip I think is likely going to shed light on others AKA the forbidden practice of info-yeet and circumstantial discretion.
Scum - Well, this is obvious. I would actively try to see them gone.

Keep in mind most of these reads may be a result from specifically mafia-hunting; I haven't really evaluated for 3P's or 3P potential. I also may be reviewing my town-leans soon at some point, I get the feeling there may be 1 mafia in there considering how some of my town-reads and town-leans have read each other. I just don't know who.

I have older (not-posted) versions of these if you want them, I used them to organize my general thoughts. Though I may not clearly recall my reasoning for some of those reads.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Can I just clarify whether Dana used to play a bit and then spent a while not playing, or whether she's new-new?

The former. She had a multi-year hiatus and recently returned.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Thanks Martin that will be plenty to chew on.

[Long Con]

@JaggedJimmyJay have you thought more about Sloonei?

Sloonei is town, and JJJ has absolutely been angling to say the opposite. Don't believe his lies.

LongCon, look, I've entertained the idea he is, you are not alone in this, but I've also entertained you are.

In JJJ's wolf world, who could be his teammates?

Well, enjoy your fantasy, it's not going to last much longer. I don't know who JJJ's teammates would be.

[hawkataine]

The real question is, do we think anyone in the 'let LC live' pact poisoned him
Top 10 anime betrayals

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Martin mentions he’s done no hunting for an independent, and I’d say the same. Most folks probably haven’t worried about that yet. We will need to be mindful of it eventually, especially if evidence increases that the poisoner is indy. Any town read could conceivably be that role if so.

Nothing to freak out about with paranoia right now, but in the coming phases some kind of mindfulness of this would be appropriate.

[Sloonei]

Jay is very town.

[Guillotine]

@JaggedJimmyJay have you thought more about Sloonei?

Sloonei is town, and JJJ has absolutely been angling to say the opposite. Don't believe his lies.

LongCon, look, I've entertained the idea he is, you are not alone in this, but I've also entertained you are.

In JJJ's wolf world, who could be his teammates?

Well, enjoy your fantasy, it's not going to last much longer. I don't know who JJJ's teammates would be.

Why do you say that? You talk as if you are not going to be saved. Why are you so certain?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay is very town.

If you could summarize that read in one sentence how might you do so?

[Sloonei]

Jay is very town.

If you could summarize that read in one sentence how might you do so?

Jay has been pushing the right buttons and chopping the right people.
OR
Jay does not facilitate such easy chops on his partners each of the first two days of a game.
OR
Jay does not consent to being cupided with Gavial on nights 1/2 of a game.
OR
Jay’s holistic view of this game goes well beyond any superficial levels and demonstrates a type of engagement typical of his town game and atypical of most non-town games.

[Seanzie]

Jay is very town.

If you could summarize that read in one sentence how might you do so?

Jay has been pushing the right buttons and chopping the right people.
OR
Jay does not facilitate such easy chops on his partners each of the first two days of a game.
OR
Jay does not consent to being cupided with Gavial on nights 1/2 of a game.
OR
Jay’s holistic view of this game goes well beyond any superficial levels and demonstrates a type of engagement typical of his town game and atypical of most non-town games.

Nope. This is bad.

[Long Con]

@JaggedJimmyJay have you thought more about Sloonei?

Sloonei is town, and JJJ has absolutely been angling to say the opposite. Don't believe his lies.

LongCon, look, I've entertained the idea he is, you are not alone in this, but I've also entertained you are.

In JJJ's wolf world, who could be his teammates?

Well, enjoy your fantasy, it's not going to last much longer. I don't know who JJJ's teammates would be.

Why do you say that? You talk as if you are not going to be saved. Why are you so certain?

Well, there are two healer claims, both of which have used up their heal. Some people were extremely adamant that there was not likely two healers in a game, so I'm not really holding out hope for a third.

[Seanzie]

Jay is very town.

If you could summarize that read in one sentence how might you do so?

Jay has been pushing the right buttons and chopping the right people.
OR
Jay does not facilitate such easy chops on his partners each of the first two days of a game.
OR
Jay does not consent to being cupided with Gavial on nights 1/2 of a game.
OR
Jay’s holistic view of this game goes well beyond any superficial levels and demonstrates a type of engagement typical of his town game and atypical of most non-town games.

Really? Jay was on Made D1. Everyone was on Owner. Tell me more about how Jay is chopping the right people?

Jay was on Made D1, possibly trying to save Nutella... you were too, even though looking through D1 stuff, both of you pushed her pretty hard. D2, Owner was dead and buried, I made sure of that, and there was nothing any wolf could do. Jay gets 0 townpoints for going along with it since anyone who stood strongly against would be outed.

We don't actually know what effect the cupid had, so you saying that Jay wouldn't consent to this reeks.

Okay, whatever. This isn't something one can really argue for or against since JJJ is such a high-activity player.

[Seanzie]

Jay is very town.

If you could summarize that read in one sentence how might you do so?

Jay has been pushing the right buttons and chopping the right people.
OR
Jay does not facilitate such easy chops on his partners each of the first two days of a game.
OR
Jay does not consent to being cupided with Gavial on nights 1/2 of a game.
OR
Jay’s holistic view of this game goes well beyond any superficial levels and demonstrates a type of engagement typical of his town game and atypical of most non-town games.

Really? Jay was on Made D1. Everyone was on Owner. Tell me more about how Jay is chopping the right people?

Jay was on Made D1, possibly trying to save Nutella... you were too, even though looking through D1 stuff, both of you pushed her pretty hard. D2, Owner was dead and buried, I made sure of that, and there was nothing any wolf could do. Jay gets 0 townpoints for going along with it since anyone who stood strongly against would be outed.

We don't actually know what effect the cupid had, so you saying that Jay wouldn't consent to this reeks.

Okay, whatever. This isn't something one can really argue for or against since JJJ is such a high-activity player.

@JaggedJimmyJay I'd love to hear your thoughts on my points made here.

[Seanzie]

@JaggedJimmyJay have you thought more about Sloonei?

Sloonei is town, and JJJ has absolutely been angling to say the opposite. Don't believe his lies.

LongCon, look, I've entertained the idea he is, you are not alone in this, but I've also entertained you are.

In JJJ's wolf world, who could be his teammates?

Well, enjoy your fantasy, it's not going to last much longer. I don't know who JJJ's teammates would be.

Why do you say that? You talk as if you are not going to be saved. Why are you so certain?

Well, there are two healer claims, both of which have used up their heal. Some people were extremely adamant that there was not likely two healers in a game, so I'm not really holding out hope for a third.

*stands up* I'm sparta-healer-cus!

[Sloonei]

Cool.

[orangecrush]

so far about 1/3 of the way in i think jagged and alison have both been generous and show good conviciton in the town reads they have made. i thik they are being more generous with town reads than scum would be because scum is better off keeping the poe wider for themselves. I think this is a good sign that both are town

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Let’s not forget that the original nutella counterwagon I endorsed was Owner.

From an external view the cupid effect is unconfirmed, yes.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also Made can still be mafia. Both confirmed mafia to vote him were also wagons.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: Hawk] aubergine

I am busy this weekend and not really in a mafia playing mood. This is not crankiness, this is just “I have other things to do and this game is going well so I’m taking a breather”-ness. Hawk has been a suspect since Day 1 for me and there are now no more glaring options AND we seem to have mechanical information pointing to her anyway. So I’ve got a nice parking spot there.

[Sloonei]

Let’s not forget that the original nutella counterwagon I endorsed was Owner.

From an external view the cupid effect is unconfirmed, yes.

Did you not say that you and gavial were forced to choose which of you would live or die today? I took that to be the cupid effect.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Let’s not forget that the original nutella counterwagon I endorsed was Owner.

From an external view the cupid effect is unconfirmed, yes.

Did you not say that you and gavial were forced to choose which of you would live or die today? I took that to be the cupid effect.

Yes. Folks who aren’t me can think I’m lying.