What... exactly are you looking for here
Do you think that's not a valid reason to townread someone?
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What... exactly are you looking for here
i guess you could say i'm just posting... off-the-cuth thoughts jajajajajajabronana wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:17 pmwhy are you posting like cuthAmy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:13 pmcool
and thanks for bringing up anni actually
cause what's been giving me pause for the last little bit is the fact that i'm currently top wagon over alison, who iirc is your top scumread
and that these wagons have (at least fmpov) felt pretty static ever since they got that way
and i feel like you've never been shy about shielding your townreads when they're under heavy fire; you did that for me a LOT in anni, and we both did it for tyranno in hydra game 1 when you were confident he was town
i would in fact expect this to be doubly the case in a situation where the counterwagon is someone you're very heavily scumreading
you HAVE stated that i'm your top town, which, yeah, cool
but i feel like you're engaging with other people's reads on me a lot less than i'd expect given that read, and given the gamestate we currently find ourselves in
and you were engaging w/ reads on alison earlier today, but alison's been talked about a fair bit the past few cages and you're like... doing something else entirely
and i just don't really feel a sense of urgency from you?
like in a sense it feels like you've got me as your top town primarily because you know i SHOULD be your top town and because you want to appease/pocket/whatever me, but you're not playing like that's true
so like... help me out here. has the read weakened over time? am i jumping at shadows? outside of your alison read your head feels a lot more black-box than i'm used to, and while i realize it's a light game, i still feel like your thread positioning isn't what i would expect it to be here
I want you to be left alone, I think you're highly likely to be town
Yeah this is a wolf lol
I mean you've had time. on questioning I would hope you'd be able to remember 1 fucking detail about why she's town now. It clearly made a huge impressionc4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:27 pmYeah this is a wolf lol
"Hey everyone come look at this one read that changed"
"Not pulling quotes immediately? Sus."
Just finding some random petty shit to cling to
Busywork? Distraction? Fuck if I know.
Just take that explanation I just gave Dizzy if you want to understand my spf townread
I've been having thoughts!!!! if you want specific new thoughts that aren't just the previous thoughts but rephrased slightly differently you're going to need to be specificAmy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:26 pm vulgard and nutella aren't here, arete is (was?) here but doesn't feel like they're doing anything, nl vaporized or something, chloe is sheeping, alison is self-presing
frustrating wagon
arete what are your thoughts on like... anything, really?
just general gamestate overview, i guess
for the record, nl's only played against my towngame once before this that i can recall, and that was rocksstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:28 pm is it unreasonable for me to assume that outed wolf's wolf equity increases significantly if amy is a villager?
dont wanna seem like im setting up chops, but i was just thinking about how outed wolf and amy seem to have a unique dynamic where outed wolf is (presumably?) very good at correctly identifying amy's alignment, and he is confident that amy is a wolf. dyachei has a similar dynamic and claims to have the opposite impression. my gut tells me that an amy/dya wolfteam is too easy - it's just such a level 0 solve
i don't think his tone in hydra was particularly gaf
i don't actually know what your read is on either myself or alison, and i think we're at the point where you need to put effort into forming oneArete wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:31 pmI've been having thoughts!!!! if you want specific new thoughts that aren't just the previous thoughts but rephrased slightly differently you're going to need to be specificAmy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:26 pm vulgard and nutella aren't here, arete is (was?) here but doesn't feel like they're doing anything, nl vaporized or something, chloe is sheeping, alison is self-presing
frustrating wagon
arete what are your thoughts on like... anything, really?
just general gamestate overview, i guess
right now I'm looking through c4 and SPF's posts to try and verify Dya's progression case on him, it felt a bit agenda-y to me but I think some of that is that I was already villagereading c4. so far I've determined that Dya at the very least didn't leave out important posts in between the ones they quoted but I'm still overall not impressed by it, like I can't speak to c4's meta in particular but most wolves are not so incompetent as to literally just completely forget what their previous reads were.
he's someone that's difficult for me to read on the regular amy, but he's been one of the only people seeing things from my perspectiveAmy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:32 pmfor the record, nl's only played against my towngame once before this that i can recall, and that was rocksstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:28 pm is it unreasonable for me to assume that outed wolf's wolf equity increases significantly if amy is a villager?
dont wanna seem like im setting up chops, but i was just thinking about how outed wolf and amy seem to have a unique dynamic where outed wolf is (presumably?) very good at correctly identifying amy's alignment, and he is confident that amy is a wolf. dyachei has a similar dynamic and claims to have the opposite impression. my gut tells me that an amy/dya wolfteam is too easy - it's just such a level 0 solve
every other time i've played against him i THINK has been a wolfgame
and he's caught me in most of those games, yes
but given current events, i'm not convinced that means he has a good read on me
i don't think his tone in hydra was particularly gaf
think that attitude is pretty NAI for zack
i'm assuming you haven't given him too much thought beyond that?
I've personally found Alison to be townie but people keep telling me that the things I'm finding townie are bad reasons to townread her/things she would do as Mafia which makes me doubt my read (this is how I feel about basically every non FoLer that I've tried to read but it's more prominent with Alison)Amy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:34 pmi don't actually know what your read is on either myself or alison, and i think we're at the point where you need to put effort into forming oneArete wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:31 pmI've been having thoughts!!!! if you want specific new thoughts that aren't just the previous thoughts but rephrased slightly differently you're going to need to be specificAmy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:26 pm vulgard and nutella aren't here, arete is (was?) here but doesn't feel like they're doing anything, nl vaporized or something, chloe is sheeping, alison is self-presing
frustrating wagon
arete what are your thoughts on like... anything, really?
just general gamestate overview, i guess
right now I'm looking through c4 and SPF's posts to try and verify Dya's progression case on him, it felt a bit agenda-y to me but I think some of that is that I was already villagereading c4. so far I've determined that Dya at the very least didn't leave out important posts in between the ones they quoted but I'm still overall not impressed by it, like I can't speak to c4's meta in particular but most wolves are not so incompetent as to literally just completely forget what their previous reads were.
hm
correction nl also briefly played against my towngame in the Org game that happened after rocks, before i subbed out d1Amy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:32 pmfor the record, nl's only played against my towngame once before this that i can recall, and that was rocksstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:28 pm is it unreasonable for me to assume that outed wolf's wolf equity increases significantly if amy is a villager?
dont wanna seem like im setting up chops, but i was just thinking about how outed wolf and amy seem to have a unique dynamic where outed wolf is (presumably?) very good at correctly identifying amy's alignment, and he is confident that amy is a wolf. dyachei has a similar dynamic and claims to have the opposite impression. my gut tells me that an amy/dya wolfteam is too easy - it's just such a level 0 solve
every other time i've played against him i THINK has been a wolfgame
and he's caught me in most of those games, yes
but given current events, i'm not convinced that means he has a good read on me
I see it more often than you'd expect and not always from bad wolvesArete wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:42 pmhm
in my experience wolves don't have that sort of abrupt 180-with-no-explanation-whatsoever unless they're really bad at playing scum, like, generally they'll try to at least justify the read change a little bit
do you disagree with that general-statement or are you arguing that c4 is a really unusually bad wolf?
updateArete wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:31 pmI've been having thoughts!!!! if you want specific new thoughts that aren't just the previous thoughts but rephrased slightly differently you're going to need to be specificAmy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:26 pm vulgard and nutella aren't here, arete is (was?) here but doesn't feel like they're doing anything, nl vaporized or something, chloe is sheeping, alison is self-presing
frustrating wagon
arete what are your thoughts on like... anything, really?
just general gamestate overview, i guess
right now I'm looking through c4 and SPF's posts to try and verify Dya's progression case on him, it felt a bit agenda-y to me but I think some of that is that I was already villagereading c4. so far I've determined that Dya at the very least didn't leave out important posts in between the ones they quoted but I'm still overall not impressed by it, like I can't speak to c4's meta in particular but most wolves are not so incompetent as to literally just completely forget what their previous reads were.
i am getting real tired of you saying this
throwin shit in the thread in the hopes i'll have an epiphany, mostlyouted wolf wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:55 pmi am getting real tired of you saying this
this is about the 20th post where you're like IDK LOL FRIENDOS
you keep talking about the SAME DAMN NAMES in these lists. why do we need to see the 200th reiteration of the same names and the same orders and the same lists
what r u doin pal.
i've been trying my best to get people to talk to me and the results have been very... whelming. dunno if that's a consequence of my thread position or more indicative of the gamestate at large (or if i'm just not asking the right questions)staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:06 pm i really relate to the feeling that everyone is kinda just solving by themselves in their own individual corner of the game, and i'd really like to play a role in creating a more cohesive/cooperative environment if i'm still here tomorrow. i think the gamestate is actually perfectly fine for the position we're in, but better cohesion/communication would help a lot
people: 'if you and another player are mutually finding each other as town you should do something with that'Amy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:09 pmi've been trying my best to get people to talk to me and the results have been very... whelming. dunno if that's a consequence of my thread position or more indicative of the gamestate at large (or if i'm just not asking the right questions)staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:06 pm i really relate to the feeling that everyone is kinda just solving by themselves in their own individual corner of the game, and i'd really like to play a role in creating a more cohesive/cooperative environment if i'm still here tomorrow. i think the gamestate is actually perfectly fine for the position we're in, but better cohesion/communication would help a lot
i think there's a pool of players who have found each other as town that need to be doing more with that than they currently are
@ chloe @ arete.
so likeAmy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:18 pm like arete this is why it took me so long to find you as town this game
cause it feels like you and the other FoL folks have got a nice little reads circle going, and that's fine and good, but i think at this point most people feel pretty decent about you guys and are ready to talk about other people
like, say, the two enormous wagons that you barely have any sort of read on, or any of the other frequently mentioned wagons (dya, zack), or any of the people that people are having trouble nailing down (dizzy, for instance)
it feels like you're primarily talking to and about FoL people and it makes it really hard to know where you stand on the rest of the game
friendo i wasn't IN congress of vienna, i'm as lost on the CoV reads as you areArete wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:29 pmso likeAmy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:18 pm like arete this is why it took me so long to find you as town this game
cause it feels like you and the other FoL folks have got a nice little reads circle going, and that's fine and good, but i think at this point most people feel pretty decent about you guys and are ready to talk about other people
like, say, the two enormous wagons that you barely have any sort of read on, or any of the other frequently mentioned wagons (dya, zack), or any of the people that people are having trouble nailing down (dizzy, for instance)
it feels like you're primarily talking to and about FoL people and it makes it really hard to know where you stand on the rest of the game
a big part of the reason for that is that I feel like a big part of your reads on each other is based on meta for games I barely looked at, or meta where you've been playing each other for years and know each other's playstyles, and I don't have that, I haven't played more than a handful of games with any of you, I can't engage with 'your approach to the game is subtly different from Congress of Vienna' when the only thing I know about Congress of Vienna is 'Chloe was 3p' and the FoLer copypasta, and the fact that that's such a heavy emphasis this game makes it harder to read the people talking about it (e.g. I can't get a good sense of whether 'x is playing like CoV'/'x is playing in their town meta'/etc. is in good faith or bad faith when I don't know their meta in the first place)
and when I do have reads half the time someone is like 'no but your read is wrong because of their meta'
and even when that's not a factor I'm like 'wow, these sure are reasonable posts, if I didn't know that 90 percent of this playerlist is a strong player as both alignments I would probably find this villagery but it's not out of the range of what a competent wolf could fake'
which, like, it's fine that that's a factor in this game, I'm not going to be like 'meta is bad and evil and you shouldn't ever use it,' but it's making it harder for me, personally, to make reads on non-FoL people and that's not something I can just fix by trying harder
I'm reading your posts! I found your post joking about CoV being required reading for the class mildly amusing and relatable! but it's not just the CoV takes, it's also the fact that ... most of you have years of experience with each other ... and are drawing from that experience in your readsAmy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:39 pmfriendo i wasn't IN congress of vienna, i'm as lost on the CoV reads as you areArete wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:29 pmso likeAmy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:18 pm like arete this is why it took me so long to find you as town this game
cause it feels like you and the other FoL folks have got a nice little reads circle going, and that's fine and good, but i think at this point most people feel pretty decent about you guys and are ready to talk about other people
like, say, the two enormous wagons that you barely have any sort of read on, or any of the other frequently mentioned wagons (dya, zack), or any of the people that people are having trouble nailing down (dizzy, for instance)
it feels like you're primarily talking to and about FoL people and it makes it really hard to know where you stand on the rest of the game
a big part of the reason for that is that I feel like a big part of your reads on each other is based on meta for games I barely looked at, or meta where you've been playing each other for years and know each other's playstyles, and I don't have that, I haven't played more than a handful of games with any of you, I can't engage with 'your approach to the game is subtly different from Congress of Vienna' when the only thing I know about Congress of Vienna is 'Chloe was 3p' and the FoLer copypasta, and the fact that that's such a heavy emphasis this game makes it harder to read the people talking about it (e.g. I can't get a good sense of whether 'x is playing like CoV'/'x is playing in their town meta'/etc. is in good faith or bad faith when I don't know their meta in the first place)
and when I do have reads half the time someone is like 'no but your read is wrong because of their meta'
and even when that's not a factor I'm like 'wow, these sure are reasonable posts, if I didn't know that 90 percent of this playerlist is a strong player as both alignments I would probably find this villagery but it's not out of the range of what a competent wolf could fake'
which, like, it's fine that that's a factor in this game, I'm not going to be like 'meta is bad and evil and you shouldn't ever use it,' but it's making it harder for me, personally, to make reads on non-FoL people and that's not something I can just fix by trying harder
and in fact i've been trying very very hard this game to fall back on meta reads as little as possible
gavial was an unabashed meta read and my current read on dya is definitely dipping into meta
but i think most of my other reads are pretty focused on what people have posted in the game itself
the fact that you're lumping me in with the CoV-party makes me feel like you're really just. not actually reading my posts? and i don't know if that's true or not, but if it is it needs to be corrected
I don't remember particularly associating them either way on d1, I felt more strongly that KZA would flip scum and was voting there, but was fine with Gav being chopped. Maybe in retrospect I should have seen the KZA stuff that spewed Gav not w/w with him, but it wasn't on my mind at the time.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:10 pm @nutella Can you go through how you thought about Gavial's and KZA's alignment and the relation between these? Because I distinctly remember that the consensus seemed to be that KZA might've TMI-ed Gavial as town. And in general, I think it was pretty obvious the pair did not fit as w/w. Even I, with he little context I had, came to this conclusion. Yet, you seemed to suggest KZA would be scum regardless of Gavial's flip, if I'm not mistaken (as Sunbae showed). Why is this?
samebrainsamebrainChloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:50 pm zack do you have any thoughts on my post outside of the fact that you think im being overexplainy on my early nut read
did you read the actual words, basically
because that felt nasty ngl and i dont get the feeling you actually read the content and instead jumped onto something to try to cast me in a bad light
no me gusta
lol