Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [ENDGAME]

[Sloonei]

Okay, that makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying.

My original comment was always about my read on Jay, and I think that was quite clear. Why did you interpret it as me being defeatist about the gamestate in general?

Uhh... if you're town you should see that as me interpreting you as overly confident in town's success, not as defeatist.

I don't like the sense of complacency I'm getting from you. I feel like it is disguised crankiness. You're trying to act calmer than you are, where in reality, you should not be this "calm", you should not think wolves have no path to victory.

Oh, that part. Well yeah, I read you as overly confident in town's success, but not in an excited way. You don't vibe as happy about the current game state, but you do seem confident in town's chances. How else should I resolve these two, possibly conflicting, feelings I am getting from you?

Do not mistake my lack of enthusiasm for being unhappy. Or for complacency. I can and will turn my effort back on if and when I need to. It is just not happening this phase. I've tried to be upfront about this. "Weekends" are actually my work week, so I tend to be more emotionally drained from friday to saturday.

[Sloonei]

*friday to sunday

what even are days

[Garden Gnome]

hello everyone! I'm so nervous but also very excited to make lots of new friends!!

This post has my attention. Don’t like it. Seems scummy.

Let’s get to know each other more so I can get rid of this icky feeling. What are you most excited about and what are you most nervous for?

hello nice to meet you! im excited to hang with so many new people and also see some old friends that I haven't chilled with in a while, and im nervous bc im not very good at mafia and I am very susceptible to being pocketed so I feel like I gotta watch my back and have a nice healthy dose of paranoia at all times

Hi, I am a Gnome! I spend a lot of time in the garden so I don't go out on very many dates. I understand about feeling nervous and excited and about the need to have a healthy dose of paranoia because I too get pcoketed a lot by eager scum! They are so charming that I end up on and I am not even aware of all of the noisy howls It is very sad. I am looking for a sweet towny date and feel nervous and excited about finding romance, despite the presence of scummy scum scum!

hi! what kind of plants do you grow in your garden? it sounds like it must be such a nice place to live. I feel like its gonna be hard to find someone with the same non-killing views but you seem to be okay so far!

Tell me more about how Gnome pocketed you.

Fun stuff. I am now pocketing people during RVS.
Oh and then there is this gem from Seanzie: "Was it Owner or Sonny who coached you in pocketing Gnome?" I don't know who Seanzie is address this to, but he is good at pocketing me. Who did Owner or Sonny coach in pocketing me? I will vote them tomorrow!!!

[Garden Gnome]

All right.
I just came home long enough to drop off fruit and cat food.
I've got tap dance and I don't know if I will be back at EOD.

[Guillotine]

Are you caught up on the thread right now?

Can you tell me about Nook, Mac and Gnome?

yes im generally caught up but with a good amount of skimming over some parts of the thread so I def might be missing things, but I feel like nook has just kinda been doing his thing which he does and I haven't been particularly pinged by anything he's said or done yet. I had a lil tinfoil about Mac but I think its been getting better and I also am willing to ignore it for now bc I think its worth finding the shallow wolves first before trying to hunt for deep wolves. my gnome read is probably my weakest townlean and I might need to update that read, but i think it was just a holdover in my brain from earlier on in the game

Have you ever randed scum before? If not, how do you like it?

only once in a turbo game many years ago and tbh I kind of hated it lol, thankfully it was over real quick though and I was caught pretty easily and early on from what I remember

Yeah, okay. I didn't want to believe it, but Dana bad.

Lol Nice trap Seanzie

[Seanzie]

hello everyone! I'm so nervous but also very excited to make lots of new friends!!

This post has my attention. Don’t like it. Seems scummy.

Let’s get to know each other more so I can get rid of this icky feeling. What are you most excited about and what are you most nervous for?

hello nice to meet you! im excited to hang with so many new people and also see some old friends that I haven't chilled with in a while, and im nervous bc im not very good at mafia and I am very susceptible to being pocketed so I feel like I gotta watch my back and have a nice healthy dose of paranoia at all times

Hi, I am a Gnome! I spend a lot of time in the garden so I don't go out on very many dates. I understand about feeling nervous and excited and about the need to have a healthy dose of paranoia because I too get pcoketed a lot by eager scum! They are so charming that I end up on and I am not even aware of all of the noisy howls It is very sad. I am looking for a sweet towny date and feel nervous and excited about finding romance, despite the presence of scummy scum scum!

hi! what kind of plants do you grow in your garden? it sounds like it must be such a nice place to live. I feel like its gonna be hard to find someone with the same non-killing views but you seem to be okay so far!

Tell me more about how Gnome pocketed you.

Fun stuff. I am now pocketing people during RVS.
Oh and then there is this gem from Seanzie: "Was it Owner or Sonny who coached you in pocketing Gnome?" I don't know who Seanzie is address this to, but he is good at pocketing me. Who did Owner or Sonny coach in pocketing me? I will vote them tomorrow!!!

It was addressed to Dana. I was trying to poke her to see how she reacted.

[Seanzie]

Are you caught up on the thread right now?

Can you tell me about Nook, Mac and Gnome?

yes im generally caught up but with a good amount of skimming over some parts of the thread so I def might be missing things, but I feel like nook has just kinda been doing his thing which he does and I haven't been particularly pinged by anything he's said or done yet. I had a lil tinfoil about Mac but I think its been getting better and I also am willing to ignore it for now bc I think its worth finding the shallow wolves first before trying to hunt for deep wolves. my gnome read is probably my weakest townlean and I might need to update that read, but i think it was just a holdover in my brain from earlier on in the game

Have you ever randed scum before? If not, how do you like it?

only once in a turbo game many years ago and tbh I kind of hated it lol, thankfully it was over real quick though and I was caught pretty easily and early on from what I remember

Yeah, okay. I didn't want to believe it, but Dana bad.

Lol Nice trap Seanzie

I know, I'm pretty good at this game

[Guillotine]

This post has my attention. Don’t like it. Seems scummy.

Let’s get to know each other more so I can get rid of this icky feeling. What are you most excited about and what are you most nervous for?

hello nice to meet you! im excited to hang with so many new people and also see some old friends that I haven't chilled with in a while, and im nervous bc im not very good at mafia and I am very susceptible to being pocketed so I feel like I gotta watch my back and have a nice healthy dose of paranoia at all times

Hi, I am a Gnome! I spend a lot of time in the garden so I don't go out on very many dates. I understand about feeling nervous and excited and about the need to have a healthy dose of paranoia because I too get pcoketed a lot by eager scum! They are so charming that I end up on and I am not even aware of all of the noisy howls It is very sad. I am looking for a sweet towny date and feel nervous and excited about finding romance, despite the presence of scummy scum scum!

hi! what kind of plants do you grow in your garden? it sounds like it must be such a nice place to live. I feel like its gonna be hard to find someone with the same non-killing views but you seem to be okay so far!

Tell me more about how Gnome pocketed you.

ok maybe we got in each others pockets a little bit.. but they are town pockets! or at least mine is and I hope hers is too

Okay, thanks. I poked and you did okay. I still haven't sorted you yet, but I don't see you as clear mafia right now, so that is a good sign?

Eeeh what? After she fell for that you think she is ok?

Imagine that my day 1 reads were all on spot.

[MartinGG99]

unsure:
hawk
made
sonny/orangecrush
allcrab
Martin
bad bunny

I would mildly doubt that mafia would right now would take the "idk" stance here when I think for most people its fairly obvious there's one town and one mafia in Martin/Hawk (and therefore have some sort of stance).

It just looks non-mafia to me given the circumstances.

I do agree that one of you is town and the other mafia im just not sold on who's who

Yeah but what I'm saying is that you would know that, and if you were mafia I would imagine you would have something more expressive on it than a readslist.

Given that mafia are currently in a bad position trying to secure their positions or standing could be preety important; normally that means taking stances. Otherwise you just fade in the background and perhaps not really move in people's read of you at all. At least in my view.

That said, not having a stance (more or less) here only seems non-mafia to me. I have no intuition telling me if this is just simply being town or not, though.

yeah that's fair. so do you think hawk's entire team is bussing her? if hawk ends up flipping town, where would you look next?

On an independent level, I'm fairly confident a number of the current Hawk voters are town. However, if we're going to assume suspicious votes or bussers, though:

Voters: Seanzie, Sloonei, Made, Actvscenei, Alison, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, MartinGG99, Garden Gnome, Guillotine, JaggedJimmyJay

For those in this color I wouldn't really question their vote at all. I strongly read these players as town for other reasons.

Sloonei (in this color) is a player who've I've partially sheeped other player's reads (namely my town-reads such as Alison or JJJ) on. Maybe it's because I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about it independently, but I have some trouble believing in a mafia world that contains him. It feels off if it did.

For those in this color, I do read these as a town-lean but I didn't feel entirely good about their votes. My gut has been slightly concerned about the votes being performative as these votes were in large posts that in some way or aspect stood out to me from their other posts. I could be wrong though.

For those in this color, I have no clue about them. Potentially because I may not be very good at reading them, but the same could be said for some of the other players (who are not part of this color).

[hawkataine]

ISO on orange:

my scum read on hawk is similar to my read on gnome btw i dont think they have been able to successfully generate genuine content and are leaning on things like flavor and in hawks case picking on obvious jokes trying to shade them

as for macdougal for those that were playing the last game on mafia cafe he is giving me solvis vibes, i was able to get solvis easily because of his annoying approach to the thread which seemed to be an attempt at derailing actual town activity from taking place.

This is one of orange's first posts, I know I will flip town so I am suspicious of tying the logic for scumreading me with the logic for gnome

The mac read does feel like a genuine response to mac's play vs the last game orange was in though

i am on page 25 @Garden Gnome so you can definitely consider my reads list tentative

dw scumbud it'll be okay

i am on page 25 @Garden Gnome so you can definitely consider my reads list tentative

All right, got it. In that context, the scum read on me makes sense. I didn't understand the game, and I played accordingly. Also, I never responded to anyone because I couldn't read the print. Both situations did manage to resolve themselves, and I think that my play improved on D2. As you continue reading, I hope that you can view my play with an open mind.

Are you town reading me already because the way this reads kind of feels like it the otherroption whicj would be bad is that3 you actuallt know that I'm town which is why you're so concerned about me changing the way I view your play

This seems a bit like a warning, with orange just giving herself a bit of TMI freedom if gnome ever flips

I'm kind of flipping back and forth between current day and reading back

My thoughts on the healer thing is that I don't see any reason we can't have multiple healers when we now know that there have been multiple poisons, that obviously doesn't mean anything for the alignment of each one so that's an important thing to remember

The one thing that sticks out is 1-shot and 2-shot claims. I have no real reason for thinking this but I think they would both be 1 or both be 2 OR are different Alignments if both real. It just seems kinda random to give town a 1 shot and a 2 shot of the same role instead of just two 1 shots or a 3 shot. Maybe it's my ocd lol

Anyway I'm more concern with Gnome and Mac at the current times

In which orange has one of her scum reads on the block for the thing she's noncommittally discussing, but is more concerned with the other two?

Garden Gnome looked like softing lost wolf.

How?

Because she is trying to FIND her love here?

@Garden Gnome why do you think that we as town cannot identify players with TMI?

I think that Orange claimed TMI where it didn't exist. Orange comes across as biased and more interested in proving her point that I am scum than in actually reading me and finding out my alignment.

i dont think this is fair as i am only a quarter of the game caught up and you know this, let me catch up and let my reads evolve

I think that it is fair because you keep calling me scum, rather than saying that I'm in a PoE, which is not the same thing at all. Also, I did tell you earlier that reading me based on my day one posts didn't work very well because of my high level of confusion. I feel that you are just continuing in the same path of trying to prove that I am scum rather than read my posts with an open mind.

you're acting like i am tunelling you which isn't the case. You are one of a few people that i am suspecting and i was asked a question specifically about you which is what i was answering

This whole quote thread is a bit harsh for distancing, but I should reiterate that none of us have scum meta on orange. If I had to call it, I think orange comes out of this looking worse than gnome.

@orangecrush since you're here, would you mind listing out some townreads/scumreads you have as of where you're at right now? Explanations are welcome but not necessary. It will just help give us some content to read you off of.

im town reading Act, Dana, Guil, Tangrowth

town lean for Jay and Martin and Sloonei

scum reading Gnome and Mac

scum lean on Hawk

can elaborate on any you wish just ask

Orange's scum reads haven't evolved at all in 24 hours. This concerns me, in addition to her coming straight into the thread scum reading me despite most people townreading me on D1. It reads like an agenda. I don't really know what to do with the inclusion of gnome here, scum don't want to bus the third teammate in a row, but also I don't think orange has played scum before.

TL;DR: yes I think it's totally possible that orange is scum, and I'd echo what seanzie said about her normally repping in and just being the most obvious voice of reason ever to town. I don't see any of that here. Solid 74% mafia, no reason to think 3P.

[Dana]

hello nice to meet you! im excited to hang with so many new people and also see some old friends that I haven't chilled with in a while, and im nervous bc im not very good at mafia and I am very susceptible to being pocketed so I feel like I gotta watch my back and have a nice healthy dose of paranoia at all times

Hi, I am a Gnome! I spend a lot of time in the garden so I don't go out on very many dates. I understand about feeling nervous and excited and about the need to have a healthy dose of paranoia because I too get pcoketed a lot by eager scum! They are so charming that I end up on and I am not even aware of all of the noisy howls It is very sad. I am looking for a sweet towny date and feel nervous and excited about finding romance, despite the presence of scummy scum scum!

hi! what kind of plants do you grow in your garden? it sounds like it must be such a nice place to live. I feel like its gonna be hard to find someone with the same non-killing views but you seem to be okay so far!

Tell me more about how Gnome pocketed you.

ok maybe we got in each others pockets a little bit.. but they are town pockets! or at least mine is and I hope hers is too

Okay, thanks. I poked and you did okay. I still haven't sorted you yet, but I don't see you as clear mafia right now, so that is a good sign?

Eeeh what? After she fell for that you think she is ok?

Imagine that my day 1 reads were all on spot.

fell for what? what trap im so confused

[Guillotine]

inb4 hawk flips mafia. What if Hawk is telling the truth, aka TruthWolfing?

The best way to lie in a game of lies is telling the truth.

[Guillotine]

fell for what? what trap im so confused

He asked you if you had randed scum before this and you said yes. LMAO

[Dana]

fell for what? what trap im so confused

He asked you if you had randed scum before this and you said yes. LMAO

huh? he was asking about my past experience being mafia.. how is that a trap?

[Seanzie]

hello nice to meet you! im excited to hang with so many new people and also see some old friends that I haven't chilled with in a while, and im nervous bc im not very good at mafia and I am very susceptible to being pocketed so I feel like I gotta watch my back and have a nice healthy dose of paranoia at all times

Hi, I am a Gnome! I spend a lot of time in the garden so I don't go out on very many dates. I understand about feeling nervous and excited and about the need to have a healthy dose of paranoia because I too get pcoketed a lot by eager scum! They are so charming that I end up on and I am not even aware of all of the noisy howls It is very sad. I am looking for a sweet towny date and feel nervous and excited about finding romance, despite the presence of scummy scum scum!

hi! what kind of plants do you grow in your garden? it sounds like it must be such a nice place to live. I feel like its gonna be hard to find someone with the same non-killing views but you seem to be okay so far!

Tell me more about how Gnome pocketed you.

ok maybe we got in each others pockets a little bit.. but they are town pockets! or at least mine is and I hope hers is too

Okay, thanks. I poked and you did okay. I still haven't sorted you yet, but I don't see you as clear mafia right now, so that is a good sign?

Eeeh what? After she fell for that you think she is ok?

Imagine that my day 1 reads were all on spot.

What did she fall for? I was being overly confident in scumreading her to see how she reacted, and she seemed to react okay. If something she did is actually ping-worthy and I missed it, please speak up.

[Sloonei]

I'll also note that a big part of my nonchalance today is that I have been suspicious of hawk since Day 1, and now we appear to have a mechanically-induced suspicion of her in the thread. I see that and I think, "neat."

[Seanzie]

fell for what? what trap im so confused

He asked you if you had randed scum before this and you said yes. LMAO

Eh, I don't see it.

[Guillotine]

Dana is a newbie and i fell for that trap as a newbie when i randed scum in a game.

The townie asked me “Hey Guillo, have you randed scum before”, i didnt catch it, he implied “before now”, to which i naturally responded that i hadn't, which was true, i had not randed scum before that game. LOL

[hawkataine]

fell for what? what trap im so confused

He asked you if you had randed scum before this and you said yes. LMAO

Eh, I don't see it.

Agreed

[Seanzie]

Dana is a newbie and i fell for that trap as a newbie when i randed scum in a game.

The townie asked me “Hey Guillo, have you randed scum before”, i didnt catch it, he implied “before now”, to which i naturally responded that i hadn't, which was true, i had not randed scum before that game. LOL

I think this is reaching. Honestly, the thing I did find suspicious about her answer there was that she didn't even acknowledge my other question.

[Sloonei]

Yeah I'm not seeing that. Seanzie did not ask "have you randed scum before this?". He asked "Have you randed scum before?". As in "At any time in the past, have you played a game as a member of the mafia team?". Not "Is this your first time being mafia?".

[Guillotine]

fell for what? what trap im so confused

He asked you if you had randed scum before this and you said yes. LMAO

Eh, I don't see it.

If you didnt intended it as a trap to which she fell for, why did you ask her that?

[Dana]

Dana is a newbie and i fell for that trap as a newbie when i randed scum in a game.

The townie asked me “Hey Guillo, have you randed scum before”, i didnt catch it, he implied “before now”, to which i naturally responded that i hadn't, which was true, i had not randed scum before that game. LOL

ok but I'm not a newbie and I have randed scum before this game

[Guillotine]

Yeah I'm not seeing that. Seanzie did not ask "have you randed scum before this?". He asked "Have you randed scum before?". As in "At any time in the past, have you played a game as a member of the mafia team?". Not "Is this your first time being mafia?".

When you say before, it implies before the present. Come on now.

[Guillotine]

Dana is a newbie and i fell for that trap as a newbie when i randed scum in a game.

The townie asked me “Hey Guillo, have you randed scum before”, i didnt catch it, he implied “before now”, to which i naturally responded that i hadn't, which was true, i had not randed scum before that game. LOL

ok but I'm not a newbie and I have randed scum before this game

Yah that is not the point is it?

[MartinGG99]

We interrupt your daily Mafia broadcast to bring you English shenanigans.

[Dana]

Dana is a newbie and i fell for that trap as a newbie when i randed scum in a game.

The townie asked me “Hey Guillo, have you randed scum before”, i didnt catch it, he implied “before now”, to which i naturally responded that i hadn't, which was true, i had not randed scum before that game. LOL

I think this is reaching. Honestly, the thing I did find suspicious about her answer there was that she didn't even acknowledge my other question.

did I miss a question? I thought you asked if I was ever mafia and how I felt about it

[Guillotine]

If i was a day vig i'd shoot Dana now and shut all your mouths.

[Dana]

Dana is a newbie and i fell for that trap as a newbie when i randed scum in a game.

The townie asked me “Hey Guillo, have you randed scum before”, i didnt catch it, he implied “before now”, to which i naturally responded that i hadn't, which was true, i had not randed scum before that game. LOL

ok but I'm not a newbie and I have randed scum before this game

Yah that is not the point is it?

what do you mean? what is the point then

[Seanzie]

fell for what? what trap im so confused

He asked you if you had randed scum before this and you said yes. LMAO

Eh, I don't see it.

If you didnt intended it as a trap to which she fell for, why did you ask her that?

I did intend it to be a trap, just not one as specific as you're making it. As I said, I expressed an overly-confident scumread with some (reaching, but not unrealistic) evidence to see how she reacts to it.

The type of trap you've described is rife with false-positivism, and so it would be useless, you might as well flip a coin. The type of trap I tried has a low chance of success, but also a low chance of a false-positive.

[Sloonei]

Yeah I'm not seeing that. Seanzie did not ask "have you randed scum before this?". He asked "Have you randed scum before?". As in "At any time in the past, have you played a game as a member of the mafia team?". Not "Is this your first time being mafia?".

When you say before, it implies before the present. Come on now.

That is just a manner of speech. If I ask you "Have you ever seen bigfoot before?", I am not implying that bigfoot is standing in front of you at this very moment.

[Long Con]

[Guillotine]

Dana is a newbie and i fell for that trap as a newbie when i randed scum in a game.

The townie asked me “Hey Guillo, have you randed scum before”, i didnt catch it, he implied “before now”, to which i naturally responded that i hadn't, which was true, i had not randed scum before that game. LOL

I think this is reaching. Honestly, the thing I did find suspicious about her answer there was that she didn't even acknowledge my other question.

I catch scum in ways others dont, people often call it “caught for the wrong reasons”.

[Sloonei]

If i was a day vig i'd shoot Dana now and shut all your mouths.

I dont think anybody here is currently saying that dana can't be mafia. We all just disagree with your interpretation of a couple of posts.

[Long Con]

I love it.

[VOTE: dana] aubergine

[Seanzie]

If i was a day vig i'd shoot Dana now and shut all your mouths.

I dont think anybody here is currently saying that dana can't be mafia. We all just disagree with your interpretation of a couple of posts.

^agreed.

[Guillotine]

If i was a day vig i'd shoot Dana now and shut all your mouths.

I dont think anybody here is currently saying that dana can't be mafia. We all just disagree with your interpretation of a couple of posts.

Hence why id shoot Dana to shut your mouths. See? You are the ones that are having a hard time interpreting things, not me.

[Guillotine]

Inb4 one of my original scum reads flips mafia.

How funny would it be to catch one scum RTing the other and backfiring.

[Sloonei]

If i was a day vig i'd shoot Dana now and shut all your mouths.

I dont think anybody here is currently saying that dana can't be mafia. We all just disagree with your interpretation of a couple of posts.

Hence why id shoot Dana to shut your mouths. See? You are the ones that are having a hard time interpreting things, not me.

I do not see, I was distracted by bigfoot. He's sitting right in front of me.

[Seanzie]

Inb4 one of my original scum reads flips mafia.

How funny would it be to catch one scum RTing the other and backfiring.

What does RTing mean? And what are your original scum reads?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m big foot

[Seanzie]

I’m big foot

Oh goodness, I'm so happy the elephant (foot) in the room is out! I've wanted to say something about your abhorrently large foot for so long, but I wasn't sure you were aware!

[Guillotine]

Inb4 one of my original scum reads flips mafia.

How funny would it be to catch one scum RTing the other and backfiring.

What does RTing mean? And what are your original scum reads?

Hush, don't worry. You won't die today. We have to kill Hawk first... yada yada yada, you know the rest of the script right?

[Seanzie]

Inb4 one of my original scum reads flips mafia.

How funny would it be to catch one scum RTing the other and backfiring.

What does RTing mean? And what are your original scum reads?

Hush, don't worry. You won't die today. We have to kill Hawk first... yada yada yada, you know the rest of the script right?

Yes, this isn't the first time I've been scum... erhm... I mean what?

[Actvscenei]

@Guillotine, I see the semantics you’re talking about, but it rolls the other way too because the word “before” does technically mean before the present time, but the implicit use of “before” is a broad statement meaning more or less “ever.” So while Dana might be scum, this “trap” isn’t proof lol.

[Guillotine]

Inb4 one of my original scum reads flips mafia.

How funny would it be to catch one scum RTing the other and backfiring.

What does RTing mean? And what are your original scum reads?

Hush, don't worry. You won't die today. We have to kill Hawk first... yada yada yada, you know the rest of the script right?

Yes, this isn't the first time I've been scum... erhm... I mean what?

Today is the time i wished i was the Desperado instead of Belzy. Not goona lie.

[Actvscenei]

@hawkataine, did you say Dana came into D2 wanting attention on Owner?

[Seanzie]

Inb4 one of my original scum reads flips mafia.

How funny would it be to catch one scum RTing the other and backfiring.

What does RTing mean? And what are your original scum reads?

Hush, don't worry. You won't die today. We have to kill Hawk first... yada yada yada, you know the rest of the script right?

Yes, this isn't the first time I've been scum... erhm... I mean what?

Today is the time i wished i was the Desperado instead of Belzy. Not goona lie.

Sorry, they don't let mafia be desperado.

[Guillotine]

@Guillotine, I see the semantics you’re talking about, but it rolls the other way too because the word “before” does technically mean before the present time, but the implicit use of “before” is a broad statement meaning more or less “ever.” So while Dana might be scum, this “trap” isn’t proof lol.

The entire playerlist can tell me that im wrong, but as one who fell for a townie's psychological games in the past, i can tell you right now that Dana psychologically admitted that she is scum now.

[Sloonei]

it sure would have been nice to have desperado today, wouldn't it?