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[Alison]

Gnome might have done a forill slip

do not think it was a slip

people are saying gnome and orange are w/w, gnome is arguing against that by saying orange has scumread her

if gnome is town she knows she's town, but she can't just appeal to role card, she has to give reasons that other players can accept

[MacDougall]

her reason is that she is town reading OC and ppl think they are mafia together which is something I have no recollection of?

[Guillotine]

hello again

i have no intention of reading through 10 posts of guillo having stupid arguments with whoever.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

What a stupid slip but i'll take it. If you havent read my arguments how do you figure they are stupid, somebody else told you? Someone in your mafia chat for example?

because every argument you've been in in this game has been stupid and so when i scroll through the latest page and see alternating instances of your avatar and mac's avatar I come to the assumption that you are in fact in another stupid argument.

I dont buy it. I caught you in three instances of TMI in this game.

We need Martin to flip. I need to know for sure that he is a town healer, cause if he is a mafia healer, Alison is scum.

[Actvscenei]

@Actvscenei am I mafia?

I don’t know, are you?

You’re not interested in sorting me. You’re interested in serving big helpings of question casserole to provide the appearance of sorting.

Actually this is something I noticed about act that they ask a million questions but then said they don't make reads lists which I found very strange because it's almost like they want to create the impression that they are solving with all the questions and using the questions yo build fake reads which don't even exist in any firm. I don't think town solving would involve adding all these questions and then refusing to provide reads list but also I don't know act

Reads lists are WIFOM and easily fabricated. What isn’t easily fabricated is game interaction. Want to know my leans? Read the game, not a reads list.

Having q concrete and easily referenced read list is pro town. Why do all the hard work and then make it more difficult for town to benefit from unless you want to create the image of solving while maintaining some ambiguity towards your actual stance s I don't like that

I disagree. Mafia can put all the work into a reads list to appear town and solvy. Or, they can list names to appease people. The reads don’t mean much and they don’t mean much after a flip either. Scum could get free passes from misreads and town can WIFOM itself to a misyeet. I just don’t like reads lists and I don’t see the overall benefit. I never have in all my games of playing mafia. I know some people like it, but I don’t. And you are welcome to go back on my past games to see how this opinion of mine has been my opinion for years.

[Guillotine]

Bad bunny says I do not have many posts and should be left to be alivr but actually I have a lot of posts this feels like they're trying to get on the right side of defending me for when I flip town I'm getting q bad vibe

Bunny is dead. Why should we care about your bad vibes here? Are you suggesting we yeet bunny?

how is this suspicious at all...

Because I get the sense that Orange is grasping rather than actually scum hunting.

But I have over 100 posts, that's more than people that have been here alive from the beginning. So actually what bunny said was not true at all and felt much like a fake defense of me

Bunny might be mafia but they are poisoned. If they survive the poison they are probably outed mafia from it anyway. So even if you're right it kinda doesn't matter.

Actually, this makes sense.

[Guillotine]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Reads list philosophy doesn’t mean much to me.

Knowing what someone’s reads are by any means means plenty to me.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

this isn't going to happen... you'd have more luck pushing Jay or me

[Garden Gnome]

Just gonna throw out there that my current belief is that @Garden Gnome and I have the same role. I have no reason to say that makes her town.

I won’t expand on this for the time being. It may inform theories of duplicates.

I believe that you are right. You have already said the magic words, the keys to my heart. You know what those two words are so I won't repeat them here. We could have an opportunity to sort each other out and to find out if we are both town or if we are star-crossed lovers. I have already said yes. It is up to you now. We both have suspicions of each other, but we have a special opportunity to find out the truth. Please say yes.

[Actvscenei]

@Actvscenei am I mafia?

I don’t know, are you?

You’re not interested in sorting me. You’re interested in serving big helpings of question casserole to provide the appearance of sorting.

Well that’s insulting. And not accurate.

I have desire to insult you. If you’re mafia I think you’ve played well.

But I have far less knowledge of where you stand on the game than I’d like. Asking 100 questions won’t get me there.

I’m not scum, and I am attempting to solve this game, even if it’s not the way you think I should be.

[Actvscenei]

Reads list philosophy doesn’t mean much to me.

Knowing what someone’s reads are by any means means plenty to me.

Except for questioning apparently. By any means except questioning.

[Guillotine]

How would you have played getting poisoned n1 as scum with a healer teammate after bussing?

probably similar to modern family, bus d1 and then float through the rest of the game on the cred from that largely pushing town.

the bus everyone and go super deep strat is worse in closed role madness because you can easily get screwed by mech, and it is also worse when there is a 3P poisoner who could be lobbing shots at the most trusted townies. plus because my mafia teammates can now die in the night, if I bus too hard it risks getting my whole team decimated.

Except we didnt know there was a poisoner on D1....

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Just gonna throw out there that my current belief is that @Garden Gnome and I have the same role. I have no reason to say that makes her town.

I won’t expand on this for the time being. It may inform theories of duplicates.

I believe that you are right. You have already said the magic words, the keys to my heart. You know what those two words are so I won't repeat them here. We could have an opportunity to sort each other out and to find out if we are both town or if we are star-crossed lovers. I have already said yes. It is up to you now. We both have suspicions of each other, but we have a special opportunity to find out the truth. Please say yes.

I will get back to you on that.

Meanwhile, you have suspicion of me?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Reads list philosophy doesn’t mean much to me.

Knowing what someone’s reads are by any means means plenty to me.

Except for questioning apparently. By any means except questioning.

No.

You asking other people questions does not tell me what you think of them. That’s silly.

[Alison]

hello again

i have no intention of reading through 10 posts of guillo having stupid arguments with whoever.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

What a stupid slip but i'll take it. If you havent read my arguments how do you figure they are stupid, somebody else told you? Someone in your mafia chat for example?

because every argument you've been in in this game has been stupid and so when i scroll through the latest page and see alternating instances of your avatar and mac's avatar I come to the assumption that you are in fact in another stupid argument.

I dont buy it. I caught you in three instances of TMI in this game.

We need Martin to flip. I need to know for sure that he is a town healer, cause if he is a mafia healer, Alison is scum.

just because gavial is out of the game doesn't mean you have to follow in his footsteps

[Alison]

How would you have played getting poisoned n1 as scum with a healer teammate after bussing?

probably similar to modern family, bus d1 and then float through the rest of the game on the cred from that largely pushing town.

the bus everyone and go super deep strat is worse in closed role madness because you can easily get screwed by mech, and it is also worse when there is a 3P poisoner who could be lobbing shots at the most trusted townies. plus because my mafia teammates can now die in the night, if I bus too hard it risks getting my whole team decimated.

Except we didnt know there was a poisoner on D1....

reread mac's question again please.

[Guillotine]

I do think Alison getting healed twice is a bit sus

But maybe martin was just certain she was village? idfk

Why would healers target anyone other than the person who was poisoned?

Tbh it makes sense to heal Alison. I have no issue with it.

I am curious if the person who chose the n1 poison did so anticipating the heal tho. I think they chose a target that was always drawing a heal and subsequent targets are players who are not likely to. So there is a chance the n1 poison was made knowing it wouldn't work. Then one asks why?

If the poisoner wanted to kill why target someone who draws heals and looks super townie off day 1 play? Either they had no idea they'd be prevented, or they did so to bait as many heals as they could, or they did so specifically to make Alison look good.

[Actvscenei]

Reads list philosophy doesn’t mean much to me.

Knowing what someone’s reads are by any means means plenty to me.

Except for questioning apparently. By any means except questioning.

No.

You asking other people questions does not tell me what you think of them. That’s silly.

I disagree. You can look at how the questions are being posed, to whom, and patterns of questions. Sometimes questions are used for clarification and other times they’re to present information. The explicit stuff can be too easy to manipulate and fabricate. For example, saying my activity drop off coming into D4 is scummy because Dana died can be seen as shade because in considering the whole game, there is no consistent pattern of my activity level (except for the hours I am sleeping) to suggest that I not being as active at day start would mean anything alignment indicative. Unless you’ve been keeping a track record of the times I am posting nothing, somewhat, fairly, and a lot, calling me scum for my activity level at start of day feels like a forced read because I don’t have an activity pattern. So, if you couldn’t tell by my questions to you, I’ve begun to wonder where your suspicion is coming from, and I don’t necessarily believe it is town at the moment; however, I’m not sitting here thinking you’re definitely scum either. You don’t know me, and you don’t know readily that my activity level is null. But you know now. So when you ask me if I think you’re scum, I don’t know. I’m assessing. Something you could have known already by the implicit information out there.

[Guillotine]

hello again

i have no intention of reading through 10 posts of guillo having stupid arguments with whoever.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

What a stupid slip but i'll take it. If you havent read my arguments how do you figure they are stupid, somebody else told you? Someone in your mafia chat for example?

because every argument you've been in in this game has been stupid and so when i scroll through the latest page and see alternating instances of your avatar and mac's avatar I come to the assumption that you are in fact in another stupid argument.

I dont buy it. I caught you in three instances of TMI in this game.

We need Martin to flip. I need to know for sure that he is a town healer, cause if he is a mafia healer, Alison is scum.

just because gavial is out of the game doesn't mean you have to follow in his footsteps

Your tone implies that as a bad thing but if JJJ is town, he made a great sacrifice and i'll take it as a compliment to be associated with him.

@JaggedJimmyJay how did you guys come to the conclusion that an important pr to town as the roleblocker was a better death than yourself?

[Alison]

act's recent posting has been townie

specifically she seems to genuinely believe that her questioning of various players reflects a nuanced thought process and progression on them, as well as her reads on them; i don't think she would have this level of conviction if she was mafia and knew deep down inside she was making it all up

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Reads list philosophy doesn’t mean much to me.

Knowing what someone’s reads are by any means means plenty to me.

Except for questioning apparently. By any means except questioning.

No.

You asking other people questions does not tell me what you think of them. That’s silly.

I disagree. You can look at how the questions are being posed, to whom, and patterns of questions. Sometimes questions are used for clarification and other times they’re to present information. The explicit stuff can be too easy to manipulate and fabricate. For example, saying my activity drop off coming into D4 is scummy because Dana died can be seen as shade because in considering the whole game, there is no consistent pattern of my activity level (except for the hours I am sleeping) to suggest that I not being as active at day start would mean anything alignment indicative. Unless you’ve been keeping a track record of the times I am posting nothing, somewhat, fairly, and a lot, calling me scum for my activity level at start of day feels like a forced read because I don’t have an activity pattern. So, if you couldn’t tell by my questions to you, I’ve begun to wonder where your suspicion is coming from, and I don’t necessarily believe it is town at the moment; however, I’m not sitting here thinking you’re definitely scum either. You don’t know me, and you don’t know readily that my activity level is null. But you know now. So when you ask me if I think you’re scum, I don’t know. I’m assessing. Something you could have known already by the implicit information out there.

I can know you’re “assessing” and read context clues. That’s all weasely though and leaves you an out to adopt whatever read is most opportune.

And expecting other people to understand your general view of the game by interpreting the various questions you ask other people is at best unreasonable. I don’t care about lists, but concrete reads need to exist somewhere. I don’t care what mafia “can” do. That’s meaningless. They “can” do just about anything.

There’s a reason multiple people have no idea where you have stood on game matters beyond suspicion of Dana. You haven’t given much clarity on other reads. I can ask MacDougall pointed, even hostile, questions to dig into him for a moment without truly viewing him as suspicious. Questions are not reads.

[Guillotine]

How would you have played getting poisoned n1 as scum with a healer teammate after bussing?

probably similar to modern family, bus d1 and then float through the rest of the game on the cred from that largely pushing town.

the bus everyone and go super deep strat is worse in closed role madness because you can easily get screwed by mech, and it is also worse when there is a 3P poisoner who could be lobbing shots at the most trusted townies. plus because my mafia teammates can now die in the night, if I bus too hard it risks getting my whole team decimated.

Except we didnt know there was a poisoner on D1....

reread mac's question again please.

Got it

[MacDougall]

Reads list philosophy doesn’t mean much to me.

Knowing what someone’s reads are by any means means plenty to me.

Except for questioning apparently. By any means except questioning.

No.

You asking other people questions does not tell me what you think of them. That’s silly.

I disagree. You can look at how the questions are being posed, to whom, and patterns of questions. Sometimes questions are used for clarification and other times they’re to present information. The explicit stuff can be too easy to manipulate and fabricate. For example, saying my activity drop off coming into D4 is scummy because Dana died can be seen as shade because in considering the whole game, there is no consistent pattern of my activity level (except for the hours I am sleeping) to suggest that I not being as active at day start would mean anything alignment indicative. Unless you’ve been keeping a track record of the times I am posting nothing, somewhat, fairly, and a lot, calling me scum for my activity level at start of day feels like a forced read because I don’t have an activity pattern. So, if you couldn’t tell by my questions to you, I’ve begun to wonder where your suspicion is coming from, and I don’t necessarily believe it is town at the moment; however, I’m not sitting here thinking you’re definitely scum either. You don’t know me, and you don’t know readily that my activity level is null. But you know now. So when you ask me if I think you’re scum, I don’t know. I’m assessing. Something you could have known already by the implicit information out there.

I can know you’re “assessing” and read context clues. That’s all weasely though and leaves you an out to adopt whatever read is most opportune.

And expecting other people to understand your general view of the game by interpreting the various questions you ask other people is at best unreasonable. I don’t care about lists, but concrete reads need to exist somewhere. I don’t care what mafia “can” do. That’s meaningless. They “can” do just about anything.

There’s a reason multiple people have no idea where you have stood on game matters beyond suspicion of Dana. You haven’t given much clarity on other reads. I can ask MacDougall pointed, even hostile, questions to dig into him for a moment without truly viewing him as suspicious. Questions are not reads.

As such.

Jay where does your insecurity stem from?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay how did you guys come to the conclusion that an important pr to town as the roleblocker was a better death than yourself?

Gavial trusted me to use my big booming voice to help chop hawkataine (oops) and generally understood that I am more likely to influence a following than he is. His strength as a blocker is also lessened by his being outed.

[MacDougall]

@JaggedJimmyJay how did you guys come to the conclusion that an important pr to town as the roleblocker was a better death than yourself?

Gavial trusted me to use my big booming voice to help chop hawkataine (oops) and generally understood that I am more likely to influence a following than he is. His strength as a blocker is also lessened by his being outed.

did you claim to him?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@MacDougall I don’t know what you mean

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay how did you guys come to the conclusion that an important pr to town as the roleblocker was a better death than yourself?

Gavial trusted me to use my big booming voice to help chop hawkataine (oops) and generally understood that I am more likely to influence a following than he is. His strength as a blocker is also lessened by his being outed.

did you claim to him?

Yes

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall I don’t know what you mean

I was just trying to .... never mind.

[MacDougall]

@JaggedJimmyJay how did you guys come to the conclusion that an important pr to town as the roleblocker was a better death than yourself?

Gavial trusted me to use my big booming voice to help chop hawkataine (oops) and generally understood that I am more likely to influence a following than he is. His strength as a blocker is also lessened by his being outed.

did you claim to him?

Yes

did you make sweet love?

[Garden Gnome]

Just gonna throw out there that my current belief is that @Garden Gnome and I have the same role. I have no reason to say that makes her town.

I won’t expand on this for the time being. It may inform theories of duplicates.

I believe that you are right. You have already said the magic words, the keys to my heart. You know what those two words are so I won't repeat them here. We could have an opportunity to sort each other out and to find out if we are both town or if we are star-crossed lovers. I have already said yes. It is up to you now. We both have suspicions of each other, but we have a special opportunity to find out the truth. Please say yes.

I will get back to you on that.

Meanwhile, you have suspicion of me?

A little bit of nagging suspicion. More like questions and doubts. Not as much as you have of me.

Please let me know what you've decided.

This is the best way to lay doubts and suspicions aside, in my opinion.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am far to classy to do that on the first date.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

But not classy enough to use the correct form “too”

[MacDougall]

I am far to classy to do that on the first date.

you would be a good classy boy wouldn't you...

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Garden Gnome just gonna sort something first to ensure there are no unfortunate shenanigans if Sloonei decides to shoot you today. I might not be bothered though.

[Garden Gnome]

@Garden Gnome just gonna sort something first to ensure there are no unfortunate shenanigans if Sloonei decides to shoot you today. I might not be bothered though.

If Sloonei shoots me today, I die.
You will be fine.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Garden Gnome just gonna sort something first to ensure there are no unfortunate shenanigans if Sloonei decides to shoot you today. I might not be bothered though.

If Sloonei shoots me today, I die.
You will be fine.

You die eh?

[Actvscenei]

Reads list philosophy doesn’t mean much to me.

Knowing what someone’s reads are by any means means plenty to me.

Except for questioning apparently. By any means except questioning.

No.

You asking other people questions does not tell me what you think of them. That’s silly.

I disagree. You can look at how the questions are being posed, to whom, and patterns of questions. Sometimes questions are used for clarification and other times they’re to present information. The explicit stuff can be too easy to manipulate and fabricate. For example, saying my activity drop off coming into D4 is scummy because Dana died can be seen as shade because in considering the whole game, there is no consistent pattern of my activity level (except for the hours I am sleeping) to suggest that I not being as active at day start would mean anything alignment indicative. Unless you’ve been keeping a track record of the times I am posting nothing, somewhat, fairly, and a lot, calling me scum for my activity level at start of day feels like a forced read because I don’t have an activity pattern. So, if you couldn’t tell by my questions to you, I’ve begun to wonder where your suspicion is coming from, and I don’t necessarily believe it is town at the moment; however, I’m not sitting here thinking you’re definitely scum either. You don’t know me, and you don’t know readily that my activity level is null. But you know now. So when you ask me if I think you’re scum, I don’t know. I’m assessing. Something you could have known already by the implicit information out there.

I can know you’re “assessing” and read context clues. That’s all weasely though and leaves you an out to adopt whatever read is most opportune.

And expecting other people to understand your general view of the game by interpreting the various questions you ask other people is at best unreasonable. I don’t care about lists, but concrete reads need to exist somewhere. I don’t care what mafia “can” do. That’s meaningless. They “can” do just about anything.

There’s a reason multiple people have no idea where you have stood on game matters beyond suspicion of Dana. You haven’t given much clarity on other reads. I can ask MacDougall pointed, even hostile, questions to dig into him for a moment without truly viewing him as suspicious. Questions are not reads.

You can ask me why I question certain people or what my questions are if you cannot see where the mindset is coming from, which you haven’t done. Anyone is free to do that, but few have. What I get asked is “give a reads list” and “what are your reads” which can be food for scum to manipulate. I don’t play mafia the way most people play. I’m better or worse for it. And I agree, you can ask hostile questions and not find the recipient suspicious, but it’s also the responsibility of others to read the context, the game, and the reactions to get an idea of whether that hostility is coming from suspicion or persuasion. Gotta know the motives.

[Garden Gnome]

@Garden Gnome just gonna sort something first to ensure there are no unfortunate shenanigans if Sloonei decides to shoot you today. I might not be bothered though.

If Sloonei shoots me today, I die.
You will be fine.

You die eh?

Doesn't shooting lead to dead?

[Actvscenei]

@Garden Gnome just gonna sort something first to ensure there are no unfortunate shenanigans if Sloonei decides to shoot you today. I might not be bothered though.

If Sloonei shoots me today, I die.
You will be fine.

You die eh?

Doesn't shooting lead to dead?

Gnome, the way desperado works is if the target is scum, scum dies. If the target is town, the shooter dies.

[Garden Gnome]

@Garden Gnome just gonna sort something first to ensure there are no unfortunate shenanigans if Sloonei decides to shoot you today. I might not be bothered though.

If Sloonei shoots me today, I die.
You will be fine.

You die eh?

Doesn't shooting lead to dead?

Gnome, the way desperado works is if the target is scum, scum dies. If the target is town, the shooter dies.

Oh, sorry, I forgot about desperado. The result will not be good for Sloonei.
So, I know, that silly confusion led you to think that I am scum.
Which I'm not.
But if Sloonei shoots me, you'll have your answer about my alignment.
I would prefer for Sloonei not to waste his shot and die, however.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Made is probably mafia and continues cruising.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: orangecrush] aubergine

[Guillotine]

@JaggedJimmyJay how did you guys come to the conclusion that an important pr to town as the roleblocker was a better death than yourself?

Gavial trusted me to use my big booming voice to help chop hawkataine (oops) and generally understood that I am more likely to influence a following than he is. His strength as a blocker is also lessened by his being outed.

How so?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay how did you guys come to the conclusion that an important pr to town as the roleblocker was a better death than yourself?

Gavial trusted me to use my big booming voice to help chop hawkataine (oops) and generally understood that I am more likely to influence a following than he is. His strength as a blocker is also lessened by his being outed.

How so?

Mafia can block him or design their night actions around him.

[Guillotine]

@Garden Gnome just gonna sort something first to ensure there are no unfortunate shenanigans if Sloonei decides to shoot you today. I might not be bothered though.

If Sloonei shoots me today, I die.
You will be fine.

You die eh?

Doesn't shooting lead to dead?

Gnome, the way desperado works is if the target is scum, scum dies. If the target is town, the shooter dies.

Oh, sorry, I forgot about desperado. The result will not be good for Sloonei.
So, I know, that silly confusion led you to think that I am scum.
Which I'm not.
But if Sloonei shoots me, you'll have your answer about my alignment.
I would prefer for Sloonei not to waste his shot and die, however.

Yah i dont think Gnome is mafia.

[Guillotine]

@JaggedJimmyJay how did you guys come to the conclusion that an important pr to town as the roleblocker was a better death than yourself?

Gavial trusted me to use my big booming voice to help chop hawkataine (oops) and generally understood that I am more likely to influence a following than he is. His strength as a blocker is also lessened by his being outed.

How so?

Mafia can block him or design their night actions around him.

So you think Mafia has a roleblocker too?

[Guillotine]

“The Torturer may each night torture a person. The tortured target is safe from attacks and cannot perform any night actions. In addition, the Torturer may communicate privately with their target, and at any point before night is over the Torturer may choose to execute their target.”

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So you think Mafia has a roleblocker too?

Who knows, but I think it’s generally a good bet in role madness. It’s probably the most common mafia power role.

Sloonei seems to think he was blocked when Gavial couldn’t have done it too.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Sloonei I’m back to shooting orangecrush.

[Guillotine]

What if there is modposter in this game.... but that would be bastard though... never mind.m