Traitors for Exile

[Creature]

I'm still confused about the setup. Is it nightless?

[Wiml]

For the "don't exile a person more than once" strategy I believe that we need 6 names (minus the number of times we exile the cop) and we need no more than 2 of those names to be lost wolves.

The alternative to this is picking 2-3 people with a maximum of one wolf between them and exiling each twice.

If two people are picked then the cop is exiled twice to make up for it.

That would also get us to where we need to be.

I think both of these above solutions are better than betting the game on a single player of just keeping the cop in exile.

Anybody got strong opinions on this?

[Wiml]

I'm still confused about the setup. Is it nightless?

Yeah!

[Wiml]

Nightless but we vote a player to exile for the next Day.

[Wiml]

(And if we pick wrong on the night vote three times we lose).

We have a confirmed cop but I'm assuming they can't use their action if exiled so looking for the lowest risk alternatives to just exiling the cop every phase.

[MissSparkles]

So do we believe the host would force the cop to claim yay or nay?

[MissSparkles]

I’m gonna go agead and say i’m prob not voting Mac today cause cop, and Wiml cause his mech strategy seems to come from a town mindset, could he fake it idk maybe? Never played with him so giving the benefit of doubt here

[Creature]

Not sure if cop should claim now. I'm afraid there should have a drawback for cop claiming this early.

[Wiml]

So do we believe the host would force the cop to claim yay or nay?

Seems weird but if we're in a setup where it is pretty much optimal for the cop to claim immediately then I don't see why not (it would prevent a player who is less experienced or a lurker from playing suboptimally if they randed the role and causing town to perform worse as a result).

I'm happy to just believe that Mac is the cop and telling the truth about whatever unless he gets counterclaimed.

[MissSparkles]

I mean the drawback seems like it makes it easier for the framer/lawyer to guess the cops target.

[MissSparkles]

So do we believe the host would force the cop to claim yay or nay?

Seems weird but if we're in a setup where it is pretty much optimal for the cop to claim immediately then I don't see why not (it would prevent a player who is less experienced or a lurker from playing suboptimally if they randed the role and causing town to perform worse as a result).

I'm happy to just believe that Mac is the cop and telling the truth about whatever unless he gets counterclaimed.

If I was a traitor i’d counterclaim though.

[Wiml]

I mean the drawback seems like it makes it easier for the framer/lawyer to guess the cops target.

Yeah this is the only thing I thought of myself.

[MissSparkles]

Yayy for mindmelds

[112]

kaz is confirmed maf

[Gavial]

I’m gonna assume the cop can’t investigate while in exile, i’ll check when I come back, shower then psych appointment. Peace out for now!

Pronouns are she/her btw. Just fyi

Correct, Exile is essentially a Roleblock.

[MissSparkles]

Wow sure looks like this ain’t my first time hihi

[Creature]

Aw I used to be more excited for stuff like this

[cat]

I wonder how we'll find the traitors

Do you think the traitors will try to contact eachother? Should we look for softs?

[cat]

For the "don't exile a person more than once" strategy I believe that we need 6 names (minus the number of times we exile the cop) and we need no more than 2 of those names to be lost wolves.

The alternative to this is picking 2-3 people with a maximum of one wolf between them and exiling each twice.

If two people are picked then the cop is exiled twice to make up for it.

That would also get us to where we need to be.

I think both of these above solutions are better than betting the game on a single player of just keeping the cop in exile.

Anybody got strong opinions on this?

Exile town i think.

[Creature]

I wonder how we'll find the traitors

Do you think the traitors will try to contact eachother?

Probably too risky and them not knowing each other will be an advantage for them for now. They might try to find each other through reads though.

[Marmot]

I think with the exile vote isn't it better to not vote the same people twice while it's avoidable to do so?

That way it's betting on making no more than 3 mistakes in the upper half of the player list (which seems fair) compared to betting the entire game on a specific player being town (which I think is easier to fake because of a lack of TMI).

Not sure if this is the better mech play.

I disagre. One of our win conditions is to send three traitors to Exile over the course of the game, and with the limited knowledge that traitors have of each other, yeeting based on interactions will be difficult.

[Marmot]

Dunno what exile really is for. Thought it was some purgatory kind of game.

It seems like more of a timeout, and also an alternate win con than anything, and it's one we can utilize.

[Marmot]

KZA

[Wiml]

I think with the exile vote isn't it better to not vote the same people twice while it's avoidable to do so?

That way it's betting on making no more than 3 mistakes in the upper half of the player list (which seems fair) compared to betting the entire game on a specific player being town (which I think is easier to fake because of a lack of TMI).

Not sure if this is the better mech play.

I disagre. One of our win conditions is to send three traitors to Exile over the course of the game, and with the limited knowledge that traitors have of each other, yeeting based on interactions will be difficult.

I'm not sure if I'm misinterpreting you here but if we exile three traitors we instantly lose the game!

I know I didn't notice this the first time I read the OP either.

[Marmot]

And by that, I mean [VOTE: KZA] aubergine

[Marmot]

I think with the exile vote isn't it better to not vote the same people twice while it's avoidable to do so?

That way it's betting on making no more than 3 mistakes in the upper half of the player list (which seems fair) compared to betting the entire game on a specific player being town (which I think is easier to fake because of a lack of TMI).

Not sure if this is the better mech play.

I disagre. One of our win conditions is to send three traitors to Exile over the course of the game, and with the limited knowledge that traitors have of each other, yeeting based on interactions will be difficult.

I'm not sure if I'm misinterpreting you here but if we exile three traitors we instantly lose the game!

I know I didn't notice this the first time I read the OP either.

Oh, I read that completely wrong lol.

Ok, time to recalibrate...

[Marmot]

We have a heavy reliance on the cop this game I think (thankfully there's a backup, on the off chance that there's a cc), which means that them claiming might not be in our best interest yet, because it'll give the Anti-Cop more info into who they should frame.

That said, claiming early would prevent cc wars from going down.

[MissSparkles]

I wonder how we'll find the traitors

Do you think the traitors will try to contact eachother? Should we look for softs?

Would bringing up the idea be consistent as a soft cause I feel ot is, bringing up strategies for traitors like this ain’t a good look.

Vote Cat

[KZA]

What did I sign up for

[KZA]

Okay every game I join starts on a Monday for some reason so my posting will be kind of sporadic to start hehe

[MissSparkles]

We have a heavy reliance on the cop this game I think (thankfully there's a backup, on the off chance that there's a cc), which means that them claiming might not be in our best interest yet, because it'll give the Anti-Cop more info into who they should frame.

That said, claiming early would prevent cc wars from going down.

The backup doesn’t know he’s the backup till our cop dies though.

Marmy you’ve played with me before so I’m gonna ask do you trust my reads? Cause the post I just highlighted by Cat has got my radar painted RED TRAITOR

[KZA]

When I have nothing to work with I just tunnell falcon so

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Might tunnell 112 aswell

[KZA]

I wonder how we'll find the traitors

Do you think the traitors will try to contact eachother? Should we look for softs?

Would bringing up the idea be consistent as a soft cause I feel ot is, bringing up strategies for traitors like this ain’t a good look.

Vote Cat

This is kind of towny even if I don't fully agree with the conclusion but keep going

[KZA]

Marmot knows I'm KZA

Marmot might just be town

[KZA]

Okay back to work

[MissSparkles]

I wonder how we'll find the traitors

Do you think the traitors will try to contact eachother? Should we look for softs?

Would bringing up the idea be consistent as a soft cause I feel ot is, bringing up strategies for traitors like this ain’t a good look.

Vote Cat

This is kind of towny even if I don't fully agree with the conclusion but keep going

Why not? It’s well disguised as a potential towny thought and the statement just gives traitors a way to find us aka not a very towny mindset

[MissSparkles]

Okay back to work

Have fun Gengar!

[MissSparkles]

Like traitors probably are not gonna make obvious softs, so bringing about an idea like that feels slimy. It’s lije “I’m just gonna be shut down by town but hopefully my fellow traitors can deduce my true intentions of TRYING TO FIND MY FELLOW TRAITORS

[MissSparkles]

But anybody with experience with Cat as a player and their meta/strategy can gladly weigh in, i’m all bog cute cartoon eyes over here!

[MissSparkles]

Marmy just throwing a vote for the sake of it makes me feel decent about him, trying to get things going is a good sign, i think he would just hide behind mech talk and/or try manipulating the current strategy we have in place.

Just small town feels. Not enough to join my town inner circle (super exclusive by the by) but definitely enough for a slight town lean.

I love stab in the dark day one

[MissSparkles]

Strategy we have in place as a traitor*

[MissSparkles]

Anyways i’m here to play where is everyone, hi i’m cute and funny and looking for attention; come out (of the closet hihi) and talk to moi!

[Long Con]

Ok, cool, I read the rules now. Four Lost Wolves, and it's ideal to send Traitors to Exile despite the poll removal factor. Regular chops by Day.

[MissSparkles]

Hi Long Con!

[MissSparkles]

Thoughts on my play thus far? Thoughts on Cat?

[Marmot]

We have a heavy reliance on the cop this game I think (thankfully there's a backup, on the off chance that there's a cc), which means that them claiming might not be in our best interest yet, because it'll give the Anti-Cop more info into who they should frame.

That said, claiming early would prevent cc wars from going down.

The backup doesn’t know he’s the backup till our cop dies though.

Marmy you’ve played with me before so I’m gonna ask do you trust my reads? Cause the post I just highlighted by Cat has got my radar painted RED TRAITOR

I'd sheep it. I agree it looks like a question that is trying to signal as much as it's trying to figure things out.

[VOTE: cat] aubergine

[Marmot]

Marmot knows I'm KZA

Marmot might just be town

How TF do you always get my alignment right from my very first post? Is it a me thing or a you thing.

I'd ask if you have TMI, but even if you're a traitor, you wouldn't know if I was lol.

[Marmot]

But anybody with experience with Cat as a player and their meta/strategy can gladly weigh in, i’m all bog cute cartoon eyes over here!

I've only played with cat once, we were teammates in GoC, and he was yeeted Day 1. That said, his entrance into that game had a little more assurance in it then this one, so though I dislike the post, I'm willing to let him say more things here in the event that he just feigns more confidence as mafia.

[Long Con]

Thoughts on my play thus far? Thoughts on Cat?

No, no thoughts, still just dipping my toe.

[Marmot]

Marmy just throwing a vote for the sake of it makes me feel decent about him, trying to get things going is a good sign, i think he would just hide behind mech talk and/or try manipulating the current strategy we have in place.

Just small town feels. Not enough to join my town inner circle (super exclusive by the by) but definitely enough for a slight town lean.

I love stab in the dark day one

I'm town, so this is a good read