PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [END]

[dyachei]

bring back disapproving ross

?

[Syn]

that's so 2019

[Syn]

bring back disapproving ross

[dyachei]

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bring back disapproving ross

[Arete]

the benefit to a Dya/Vul/X wolfteam of having Dya openwolf here is that if Dya gets voted out Vul would 100 percent be able to kill Sunbae, since the jailkeeper can't target consecutively.

but that requires that Vul be a wolf and I don't want to believe that.

[bronana]

that was syn's avatar before glum lissa

not to be confused with the musician who goes by the stage name 'Ross from Friends'

[dyachei]

the benefit to a Dya/Vul/X wolfteam of having Dya openwolf here is that if Dya gets voted out Vul would 100 percent be able to kill Sunbae, since the jailkeeper can't target consecutively.

but that requires that Vul be a wolf and I don't want to believe that.

im not openwolfing though. or wolfing at all

tell me, what benefit do you see to the rest of the day without knowing vulgard's flip?

and if you think the way you do, why are you voting me? isn't that what I supposedly want?

[bronana]

is there anything worse than the sinking feeling when you realize you're about to live a very long time in a mafia game

[dyachei]

is there anything worse than the sinking feeling when you realize you're about to live a very long time in a mafia game

should post cats. then arete will vote you

[outed wolf]

is there anything worse than the sinking feeling when you realize you're about to live a very long time in a mafia game

it is the worst

this is why mountainous goat

[Amy]

visor is being funny which is >rand mafia

@Arete how does this make you feel

[Arete]

the benefit to a Dya/Vul/X wolfteam of having Dya openwolf here is that if Dya gets voted out Vul would 100 percent be able to kill Sunbae, since the jailkeeper can't target consecutively.

but that requires that Vul be a wolf and I don't want to believe that.

im not openwolfing though. or wolfing at all

tell me, what benefit do you see to the rest of the day without knowing vulgard's flip?

and if you think the way you do, why are you voting me? isn't that what I supposedly want?

me: 'Dya is posting cat pics. are they lolcatting?'

me: 'ok they said they weren't lolcatting but they also kept it up, I think they're lolcatting and just messing with me'

me: 'sweet, free wolf, I'm going to vote them'

me: 'why are they lolcatting though??? it doesn't make sense???? like a villager is already dying, if they want to lolcat they might as well do it tomorrow'

me: 'oh no. if Vul is scum then it actually makes sense. aa.'

[Arete]

visor is being funny which is >rand mafia

@Arete how does this make you feel

I think it indicates that regardless of Syn's alignment we disagree on what sort of things are wolfy

I don't actually think it's a super AI disagreement, most wolves make fake reads for real reasons (like they'll say someone is doing something that they actually believe it's generally wolfy/villagery)

and I think I understand your point better about my thoughts being really weird, at the time I was confused about that

[Amy]

i did not expect a serious answer to what definitely was not a serious question

also dya posting cat pics has literally nothing to do with their alignment here lmao

[staypositivefriend]

i can't tell if we're on the verge of winning or getting buried

[Amy]

i can't tell if we're on the verge of winning or getting buried

the former imo

regardless of being right or wrong on vulgard i'm becoming more and more convinced that my townreads are just town

so if nothing else the PoE should be fine

[Syn]

i can't tell if we're on the verge of winning or getting buried

the former imo

regardless of being right or wrong on vulgard i'm becoming more and more convinced that my townreads are just town

so if nothing else the PoE should be fine

hello I am interested in knowing what this POE is

[Syn]

you seem reliable, sheepable

[Amy]

my reads have been ass all game you should iso sunbae's d3 posts instead

[Syn]

i have been betrayed

told to iso and backread

[Syn]

i read half of Vulgard's first ISO page and have encountered excessive levels of anti-spew

specifically he's established WIFOM regarding my slot, Visor, and dya

not good for me I think

[Vulgard]

I think we should sleep, we don't have enough information.

[Vulgard]

This is the first time in this game I don't need to spend 2 hours catching up and I soon realize this is exclusively because dya's been posting cat pics.

Well, you know what to do. Kill Visor, probably just kill dya after that regardless of everything.

I'm too out of it to make more reads. Making reads is overrated anyway, while sleeping is underrated.

[Arete]

I think we should sleep, we don't have enough information.

...should I keep writing the associative-reads-if-Outed Wolf-is-the-wolf-roleblocker mech world half of the post I'm working on

or are you just lolcatting with words

I really really don't want you to be a wolf!!!!!

[Arete]

oh you have another post that's like

an actual post

okay

[Vulgard]

Tfw you're in a thunderdome with an outed wolf and everybody's voting you rather than the outed wolf.

[Marluxion]

4. The string of posts you're claiming was me softing a red on c4 was me actually hinting something to Marl. Me and Marl both had Sunbae in our PoE in our night chat. Zack posted something I interpreted as him claiming a red on Sunbae, and that is what I was hinting at when I talked to Marl. I was wondering if he saw it too, because if he did and if the claim was true, we were collectively correct on a PoE read and it would be awesome. It would mean our nightchat got us somewhere. The thing about my JK stuff and claiming a red on c4 was all your narrative, I never planned to do any of this. Honestly, I'm disappointed everybody turned on me instantly (minus Arete) and never considered a different world.

@Marluxion - is this paragraph from vulgard a realistic description of the chat that you had with him overnight? do you believe that vulgard could have reasonably believed that you and him were picking up on zack's "red check" on sunbae?

for this reasoning to be true, it means that vulgard expected you to do the mental gymnastics of picking up on zack's red soft on sunbae, believing that amy was a wolf who was getting CC'd by zack, and believing that sunbae/amy were a wolf team, OR vulgard expected you to deduce that his JK claim was fake and that zack was the real JK who was claiming a redcheck - instead of making the far more logical assumption that vulgard simply wanted you to believe that he had a guilty on c4

Nothing in that paragraph is a straight up lie, but I still don't know how he'd expect me to do the mental gymnastics of "we both have sunbae in our PoE, Zack must be the jailkeeper" when he had claimed jailkeeper. Plus I don't know why that would be "you could tell them, but I don't think you'll have to". Like. Why not tell them we both came to the conclusion of sunbae w??? I don't understand

[sunbae]

I've established a third scenario: Bronana is a wolf that carried the kill. The wolves did not choose to roleblock Amy because Amy could not track Bronana after tracking him night 1 and they chose to hold a roleblock because it ensured Amy never found anything relevant (in fact, it could help them locate the Jailkeeper since the only other person moving would be the Jailkeeper). Additionally, they could save the roleblock for later in the game to block the jailkeeper if necessary (its a 2x use roleblock).

In this scenario, the wolves doc dodged by killing Vulgard - who was suspicious of Bronana - and when the kill didn't go through Bronana believes he's been blocked and prepares the seeds of the fake claim.

I've got a pretty long post on the way (maybe even tomorrow, its late) but I wanted to put this out there first. I do think Outed Wolf is teamed with Bronana a lot of the times in this world anyways, but yeah.

[sunbae]

I also want to clarify that this isn't my theory on the likely scenario. Just one that did exist outside of the two I had initially come up with.

[Arete]

@Vulgard

if you get voted out today and are a villager are there any non-mechanical reads (in either direction) that you strongly want pushed

[bronana]

et tu sunbae?

[outed wolf]

man i am not confident we are going in the right direction here

idk

maybe vulgard will flip w and it'll all be dandy

but i cant help but worry if he flips v and then i will have a hell of a time trying to fight off some mechanical argument

and dya is STILL ALIVE SOMEHOW

[nutella]

I've established a third scenario: Bronana is a wolf that carried the kill. The wolves did not choose to roleblock Amy because Amy could not track Bronana after tracking him night 1 and they chose to hold a roleblock because it ensured Amy never found anything relevant (in fact, it could help them locate the Jailkeeper since the only other person moving would be the Jailkeeper). Additionally, they could save the roleblock for later in the game to block the jailkeeper if necessary (its a 2x use roleblock).

In this scenario, the wolves doc dodged by killing Vulgard - who was suspicious of Bronana - and when the kill didn't go through Bronana believes he's been blocked and prepares the seeds of the fake claim.

I've got a pretty long post on the way (maybe even tomorrow, its late) but I wanted to put this out there first. I do think Outed Wolf is teamed with Bronana a lot of the times in this world anyways, but yeah.

just when I'm feeling better about vulgard flipping red you hit me with another thing that makes a surprising amount of sense

[Marluxion]

There are two other wolves
we absolutely do not have to resolve vulgard today if we want to go like dyachei or someone instead

[Arete]

293 bronana
216 c4e5g3d5
328 dyachei
279 Dyslexicon
274 Marluxion
364 nutella
293 outed wolf
289 staypositivefriend
214 Tangrowth / Chloe / Syn
268 Vulgard

^non mech-clear villagers^

if Vulgard really is redchecked:
(sidenote, while I was doing this I kept running into Vulposts from earlier days that are super villagery)
Outed Wolf is never a wolf with Vulgard

Spoiler: show

is his godread on you as good as his godread on gavial?

his godread on me is real and supported by an extensive history of games as both V/V and V/W

much like his extensive history of games with seth eh?

I'm sort of mrrr about how Outed Wolf is trying to discredit townreads on me/reasons to townread me without actually pushing for me to get killed (or even really expressing more than a slight scumread on me)
it kind of feels like he's trying to make sure that I'm a viable push for the future but doesn't want to get his hands dirty pushing me now

LOL
hilarious post - i said i thought you were a villager yesterday, the post is making light of vulgard not you

alright, what was your motivation behind discrediting Vul's reads?

... because he was wrong? he spent like 80 posts yesterday saying how much of a gavial god reader he was and that we couldnt let gavial slip away and we had to kill gavial
with his EXTENSIVE history of catching gavial and hes NEVER BEEN WRONG BEFORE
and he was wrong.
W R O N G
R
O
N
G
INCORRECT
NOT RIGHT
so i gave him a bit of shit for it

This post ~never comes from a partner in my opinion, there's no need to try to rub your partner's face in how they were WRONG and BAD and MISREAD SOMEONE IN A GAME OF MAFIA when you in fact have TMI that they they didn't do that. It's relevant to me that he wasn't (in this post) trying to shade him off of it, which is what I would expect from distancing, but rather to make fun of him, which doesn't make sense from the PoV of a wolf talking about another wolf.

Marl is never a wolf with Vulgard
The entire sequence that happened near the beginning of the day where Marl thought Vul was trying to get him to fake jailkeeper never happens if Marl/Vulgard are W/W in my opinion, I think Marl really believed that Vul was JK and trying to soft to him. This is only reinforced by the fact that Vul claims he didn't intend to claim jailkeeper in the first place.

Dizzy is probably just a villager

Spoiler: show

@sunbae I found the things that made me tinfoil Dya/Vulgard.
May or may not be extremely dumb.

I'm kinda townreading Dya for their consistent frustration over being scumread, but at the same time I can only mildly townread them for it for so long. This and their Alison scumread they've been repping for a while are the only things I remember Dya doing, while most other players have voiced reads on every other player in the game, done significant analysis, etc.

Using the word "repping" is interesting, because it doesn't signal to me a mindframe that it's a read Dya is having, but rather projecting.
However, first of all, lol language. And I also gathered that Vulgard, from what I understand, is not a native English speaker like myself. And I myself may misread the significance of this particular word here. But it crossed my mind.

I think I've been fairly consistent in saying that you haven't been exclusively tunneling Alison, but that your read on Alison is definitely the highlight of your contributions so far. It's the first thing I associate with you in this game, outside of the constant defensive attitude. The defensive attitude part is something I could see being NAI based on how I saw you play as town sometimes, but yeah.
Speaking of reads outside of Alison, do the flips give you more reads outside of Alison? What do you think @ my townread of Alison?

Also this. I don't quite understand, because they say the defensive attitude could be NAI based on how they have seen Dya as town. Does this mean that Dya is not town here? Is it meant to say "based on how I saw you play as scum"? Am I reading this wrong or reading too much into this?
To be clear, I actually read Vulgard as more town. And I don't really have a read on Dya. But these are two things that crossed my mind, and they are very detailed, so it may just be me reading too much into things.

I don't think wolves would really have thought they needed to distance from wolf Vulgard, particularly when they had an Arete right there to sponge + blame if he ever flipped. Wolves do sometimes do ?? things for wolf reasons but I think that regardless this particular sort of nitpick would be really weird to come from a partner, like, it's not a "normal" read it's a detailed nitpick of a quirk of language, which is not really the first thing most people would think of if they wanted to theatre.
Bronana is probably a villager

Spoiler: show

Bronana / Zack:
- First take on Gavial is that his posts didn't make any impression.
- Notes that Gavial seems to have a polarized meta but doesn't comment on it beyond that.
- Claims Gavial would get bussed hard if he was a wolf. ...For some reason, I dislike this comment. It looks TMI-ish to me, even though the actual wording is fine. I'll bring it up here for clarity.

If you believe Gavial is mafia, we should chop someone on his wagon right now. There will be mafia there if Gavial is mafia.

how does that work?

I came into this game gavial would get bussed hard if he's a wolf, based on how his meta has been described.
Plus any random grouping of five players has approximately a 75% chance of having at least one wolf, if my math is right.

Spoiler: show

1 - (13 / 17)^5 = 73.85% of at least one wolf
if you want to assume "I am town and I am not one of those five players" = 1 - (12 / 16)^5 = 76.3% of at least one wolf
There are some underlying assumptions about votes on a wagon being independent events which isn't really true, but whatever, close enough. Been awhile since I took any stats or probability courses though. Yes this a useless post a wolf could easily make, sue me.

- Immediately followed by asking Gavial... this. I'm going to quote this post as well, so I can check if other people see what I'm seeing. I get the impression these two posts are TMI on Gavial being a villager, even though the actual wording looks fine.

Why do I have 5 players voting me?
Not that I really care much anyway since I’m multi-balling and I’m only VT.
Just a shame people don’t like me that much.

dude what is this weaksauce
where's the seth that's like "these are the wolves BLAM these are the town BAM im a GOD sheep me" ?

I really think this is Zack talking to someone he knows is a villager and checking if he's going to damn himself further or not.
- Calls Gavial outright mafia after this.
- Dya is the other wolfread at the time.
- Claims he doesn't see the point of Dizzy treating Gavial like they did regardless of Gavial's alignment. It's a sentiment I actually share and it's a major reason why I townread Dizzy. That said, I'm not sure if Zack is the person who came out with this take first, and I also find it decently likely this could come from a wolf, so I'm not awarding him many townpoints for it.
- Bounces off Amy's wolfread on Gavial and agrees (and reiterates) that Gavial is playing nothing like his towngame.
- I ask about his take on Dizzy implying Dizzy isn't a wolf because of their odd treatment of Gavial. Zack responds to it, and the response is FINE, but he writes an addendum that "he's a little worried that people cleared Dizzy way too easily." I dislike this. It's hedgy, and it also reads like "I think this points to Dizzy being town (treatment of Gavial) but they also don't deserve an easy clear so don't actually call them locktown please." I didn't notice this on my first reading, but I think it's wolfy now, unless Dizzy is a wolf (I don't think wolf!Zack adds this comment if he was talking about his partner Dizzy rather than v!Dizzy; he can just rep a townread without consequence, boosting his teammate's position in the game).
- Claims Gavial is doing nothing.
- Claims Gavial and KZA are his top wolfreads when Nutella asks him about... dya. When it comes to Dya, Zack apparently has no idea anymore, since he posted a shrug emoji.
- Has no idea what KZA is even posting, which is something I actually vibed with back when I saw it. Could see this being W/W with KZA, though. It isn't actually calling KZA mafia, it's more like a sign of confusion/exasperation/whatever.
- Wonders about Arete potentially townreading Gavial.
- Asks SPF about potential bussers of Gavial. Noting here that SPF is actually saying she's 70% confident Gavial's mafia, not 100%. Basically preflipping Gavial as mafia here, assuming the question is even genuine.
- Keeps discussing how nonsensical KZA's treatment of Gavial is. It looks pretty decent in a vacuum since he's discussing a wolf's nonsensical posting. The fact he's following up on his prior suspicion is a good look, I don't see him visibly pushing on KZA, though. I'm noting the absence of concern over Gavial's alignment; he does ask Arete why they're potentially TRing Gavial (that's the implication of their singular "oh?" aimed at Arete) but doesn't follow it up with any behavioral change or anything.
- Votes Gavial despite discussing KZA's nonsensical treatment of Gavial for a while. ...Hm.
Overall, I have several points of concern. The treatment of Gavial looks decent overall, but there are several points where I suspect Zack has TMI on Gavial being a villager, particularly in the two posts I put in quotes. There's also the little interaction we had about his read on Dizzy @ Dizzy's treatment of Gavial, where it felt like he didn't want Dizzy to be too townread from it despite voicing the townlean himself. He also has a profound lack of interest in Gavial, particularly after it became clear Gavial was going to be yeeted day 1. He does question KZA a fair bit, but never pushes for KZA over Gavial. He seems surprisingly content about the state of affairs, neither committing to the Gavial yeet too hard (outside of quietly supporting it) nor trying to get KZA yeeted (though he did call KZA's train of thought incomprehensible).
I still think Zack could be town despite this. It's possible I misattributed signs of TMI to his posts there, particularly since I admit the language itself shouldn't be concerning. But I still get the impression that he's just mafia.

If you start from the PoV where Vulgard is a wolf and read the specific way he hedges on Bronana, and evaluate it both from the perspective where he's a wolf hedging on a wolf so that he doesn't have to push him super hard vs. the perspective where he doesn't want to look bad if Bronana flips V, I think it makes much more sense of the latter. The point is to push Bronana, the hedge is to hedge against being wrong (this is actually true regardless of his alignment, just, in one case he's a lot more confident in being wrong)

c4 is ....... probably >rand V. There are definitely some posts later on in his ISO, but at the beginning of his ISO he spends a substantial amount of time trying to discredit townreads on him, but not in a way that seemed remotely oriented towards getting cred. Not sure if I would lock it in but personally I wouldn't go there tomorrow if Vul flips wolf today.

c4, dya and KZA are in the "no impressions made" club and I would like them to play the game. I do not townread c4 for a carefully voiced scumread (?) on SPF. That's in any average wolf's wolfrange and I think SPF is too quick to clear them regardless of alignment.
dya and KZA just haven't talked about the game much yet. Dya got offended based on a single accusation if I read that correctly, and KZA 5-posted and dipped.

also this doesn't say anything individually about c4 or Dya's alignment but this is like never three wolves if Vulgard is a wolf
other than that I didn't see anything that made me super strongly feel that him + another player were never W/W


If Outed Wolf is Mafia:

Worth noting that in that world he's very likely to be the wolf roleblocker which makes him more likely to bus than other wolves would be.
Vulgard is never a wolf
see above section on why Outed Wolf is never a wolf with Vulgard
Bronana is, like, probably not a wolf?

calling me going through the motions is interesting, its a charge id level against people who are not me this game lol
(hell i think bronana would be a more accurate target for that than me)

this probably looks like a weak reason but this deflection (if it comes from a wolf in the first place) is more wolf-deflecting-onto-a-villager than wolf-deflecting-onto-a-wolf
c4/Dya is probably not the world because of how he's been trying to push them as specifically W/W bussing each other
Marl is probably a villager this, I think he would have some amount of difficulty faking the jailkeeper-hypocover-with-c4-target-for-Vul if he had TMI that Vul wasn't the jailkeeper on account of knowing that blocking c4 wouldn't have stopped the factional kill. (technically this doesn't rule out some of the more ??? lolmech worlds)
other than that I couldn't find anything that strongly made me feel not W/W
worth noting
Marl and Bronana are probably-not-wolves with both Vul and Outed Wolf
if there's some other weird mech stuff
this section was originally going to be trying to figure out what sort of wolf team would make that kind of mech mistake but apparently the roleblocker was only two-shot so it actually makes sense as not a mistake. lolarete.

[bronana]

man i am not confident we are going in the right direction here

idk

maybe vulgard will flip w and it'll all be dandy

but i cant help but worry if he flips v and then i will have a hell of a time trying to fight off some mechanical argument

and dya is STILL ALIVE SOMEHOW

why'd the PRs have to target us n1 smh. I expect that shit on cfc but on the syndicate too?? grumble grumble

lettuce hope vulgard flips wolf

[outed wolf]

man i am not confident we are going in the right direction here

idk

maybe vulgard will flip w and it'll all be dandy

but i cant help but worry if he flips v and then i will have a hell of a time trying to fight off some mechanical argument

and dya is STILL ALIVE SOMEHOW

why'd the PRs have to target us n1 smh. I expect that shit on cfc but on the syndicate too?? grumble grumble

lettuce hope vulgard flips wolf

lmao true

lettuce hope

what do you think of syns posts

[bronana]

man i am not confident we are going in the right direction here

idk

maybe vulgard will flip w and it'll all be dandy

but i cant help but worry if he flips v and then i will have a hell of a time trying to fight off some mechanical argument

and dya is STILL ALIVE SOMEHOW

why'd the PRs have to target us n1 smh. I expect that shit on cfc but on the syndicate too?? grumble grumble

lettuce hope vulgard flips wolf

lmao true

lettuce hope

what do you think of syns posts

they are hardly inspiring

[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

if you get voted out today and are a villager are there any non-mechanical reads (in either direction) that you strongly want pushed

My towncore of Arete/Amy/Sunbae/Nutella/Dizzy/Marl. I am very confident this is pure.

[Arete]

c4, dya and KZA are in the "no impressions made" club and I would like them to play the game. I do not townread c4 for a carefully voiced scumread (?) on SPF. That's in any average wolf's wolfrange and I think SPF is too quick to clear them regardless of alignment.

dya and KZA just haven't talked about the game much yet. Dya got offended based on a single accusation if I read that correctly, and KZA 5-posted and dipped.

since I feel like no one actually reads my wallposts I'm just going to highlight this post as super important if Vul flips wolf (which, to be clear, I still don't think he will! just. acknowledging the possibility.)

like I feel like I've seen a lot of ambient 'the team is probably just Vul/c4/Dya' floating around and ... no, that's not a thing.

[bronana]

calling me going through the motions is interesting, its a charge id level against people who are not me this game lol
(hell i think outed wolf would be a more accurate target for that than me)

[outed wolf]

i think c4 and dya are wolves regardless of any other pairing

if you told me syn was a wolf id believe you

[Arete]

@Vulgard

if you get voted out today and are a villager are there any non-mechanical reads (in either direction) that you strongly want pushed

My towncore of Arete/Amy/Sunbae/Nutella/Dizzy/Marl. I am very confident this is pure.

ok I changed my mind again

Vul is just a villager

the logical explanation for why he stopped giving reads as a wolf is that he didn't want to spew anything more, even to the extent that anti-spew can still spew things

but if that's what he was doing then he has no reason to come back and give a legitimate answer to my question

you're all going to tell me this is dumb and I don't care

[Vulgard]

c4, dya and KZA are in the "no impressions made" club and I would like them to play the game. I do not townread c4 for a carefully voiced scumread (?) on SPF. That's in any average wolf's wolfrange and I think SPF is too quick to clear them regardless of alignment.

dya and KZA just haven't talked about the game much yet. Dya got offended based on a single accusation if I read that correctly, and KZA 5-posted and dipped.

since I feel like no one actually reads my wallposts I'm just going to highlight this post as super important if Vul flips wolf (which, to be clear, I still don't think he will! just. acknowledging the possibility.)

like I feel like I've seen a lot of ambient 'the team is probably just Vul/c4/Dya' floating around and ... no, that's not a thing.

meow

[outed wolf]

[VOTE: dyachei] aubergine

disregard mech acquire pelts

[Vulgard]

Nice crosspost.

[Vulgard]

[VOTE: dyachei] aubergine

disregard mech acquire pelts

I hate the fact I agree with Visor.

[Arete]

c4, dya and KZA are in the "no impressions made" club and I would like them to play the game. I do not townread c4 for a carefully voiced scumread (?) on SPF. That's in any average wolf's wolfrange and I think SPF is too quick to clear them regardless of alignment.

dya and KZA just haven't talked about the game much yet. Dya got offended based on a single accusation if I read that correctly, and KZA 5-posted and dipped.

since I feel like no one actually reads my wallposts I'm just going to highlight this post as super important if Vul flips wolf (which, to be clear, I still don't think he will! just. acknowledging the possibility.)

like I feel like I've seen a lot of ambient 'the team is probably just Vul/c4/Dya' floating around and ... no, that's not a thing.

meow

uh

what does this post mean

[outed wolf]

[VOTE: dyachei] aubergine

disregard mech acquire pelts

I hate the fact I agree with Visor.

you and everyone else

[nutella]

c4, dya and KZA are in the "no impressions made" club and I would like them to play the game. I do not townread c4 for a carefully voiced scumread (?) on SPF. That's in any average wolf's wolfrange and I think SPF is too quick to clear them regardless of alignment.

dya and KZA just haven't talked about the game much yet. Dya got offended based on a single accusation if I read that correctly, and KZA 5-posted and dipped.

since I feel like no one actually reads my wallposts I'm just going to highlight this post as super important if Vul flips wolf (which, to be clear, I still don't think he will! just. acknowledging the possibility.)

like I feel like I've seen a lot of ambient 'the team is probably just Vul/c4/Dya' floating around and ... no, that's not a thing.

@Vulgard

if you get voted out today and are a villager are there any non-mechanical reads (in either direction) that you strongly want pushed

My towncore of Arete/Amy/Sunbae/Nutella/Dizzy/Marl. I am very confident this is pure.

ok I changed my mind again

Vul is just a villager

the logical explanation for why he stopped giving reads as a wolf is that he didn't want to spew anything more, even to the extent that anti-spew can still spew things

but if that's what he was doing then he has no reason to come back and give a legitimate answer to my question

you're all going to tell me this is dumb and I don't care

these two things do point to vul town tbh bc if he's a wolf he's really boxing in the poe