Traitors for Exile

[Gira]

i don't think that post was actually traitor crumbing it just felt like a question to try to look town but it's a very low level read

probably not worth killing someone when they're inactive

[Creature]

i don't think that post was actually traitor crumbing it just felt like a question to try to look town but it's a very low level read

probably not worth killing someone when they're inactive

So many players are inactive though

[112]

i don't think that post was actually traitor crumbing it just felt like a question to try to look town but it's a very low level read

probably not worth killing someone when they're inactive

So many players are inactive though

i only really find auwt and KGM inactive

[Creature]

i don't think that post was actually traitor crumbing it just felt like a question to try to look town but it's a very low level read

probably not worth killing someone when they're inactive

So many players are inactive though

i only really find auwt and KGM inactive

cat has the same number of posts as KGM and Captain Falcon still didn't post anything.

[Gira]

I am just going to follow the trend then for now.

this is a meh post but i don't know where auwt comes from and if sheeping is common play there

[Gira]

my assumption is whoever is cop is afk or not reading enough to know they should be outing

[Gira]

MacDougall
Wiml
Creature
falcon45ca
Poison
Marmot

This is the towncore.

We kill outside this group today.

can see the other reads, but why poison?

[Marmot]

My only qualm with voting KZA is that cat startd that wagon, but I support that yeet. If falcon and 112 are that confident on it, I'd sheep it.

[Gira]

going 2 sleep prob wont be online again before deadline, cya

[Gira]

My only qualm with voting KZA is that cat startd that wagon, but I support that yeet. If falcon and 112 are that confident on it, I'd sheep it.

cat starting the wagon is completely irrelevant for kza's alignment tho

[MacDougall]

Yes Marmot keep up mate.

[Marmot]

Carry me dad

[MacDougall]

Vote for kza we good

[Wisdom]

When is EoD?

[Wisdom]

Also is it possible to ISO here? I'd like to take a look at the KZA fella you're all talking about

[Wisdom]

Also also who is KGMurphy and why have they had a vote on me since before I started posting??

[Wiml]

Also is it possible to ISO here? I'd like to take a look at the KZA fella you're all talking about

I think you need to back out of the page and click replies under the name of the thread (if that makes sense?).

[Wiml]

KZA wagon is a thing and I have nothing really to say about it. I think cat is independently wolfier from in-the-thread actions but I can't really evaluate the meta case right now so I'm not opposed to it if people are reading that and deciding it's accurate.

Also if KZA is actually a lost wolf then it's very likely that they still had a strong meta read on falcon one way or another and were either outing a genuine read or shielding a known wolf bud (probably the former). In either of these cases, looking at some falcon meta will probably be really useful.

I do think the wagon formation might be pretty interesting though? But I'll save that for the exile phase.

[cat]

Hello hello, let me catch up real quick. I have some gardening to do but i should be around for EoD. Shoot me any questions.

[cat]

btw why name yourself cat and have a duck pfp?

What do you mean? It's a goose.

Reactions aren’t the same as interactions but I think you know this. Maybe not I guess?

A reaction is a way to interact. Or maybe i don't, please help me solve then

Anyway can we get back too playing the actual game? This fake cop nonsense is annoying me

No one's forcing you to talk about it.

Sparky is saying what I am doing is scummy but coming up short of outright accusing me because why?

Outed.

I think she just hates you instead. I'd argue against them being scummy.

I see you posted here that we could analyze reactions to your post about looking for traitor softs, your cat-chup doesn't do that. Do you intend to do this or expect others to do this?

I'm lazy as fuck, no way.

[KZA]

Lol what

[KZA]

K have fun with this chop

[KZA]

Why is EOD at such an ungodly hour

[KZA]

I agree with 112's appraisal of KZA. I usually find KZA billboard town. So an absence of that is simply >rand mafia.

This is complete bullshit?

I can't recall a single time town Mac has ever strongly townread me in a game

[cat]

There is no night kill Falcon

This is TMI btw

Why can't I find that in the rules?

the part where there's an exile phase instead of a night phase?

like who's gonna be making a factional kill when traitors have no communication lol

I dunno, I figured they'd have a way.


I didn't take exile phase to mean there'd be no NK

Town. This is a dumb read.

Someone articulate why Cat has all the votes. I haven't really read anything they have done.

I said town is bad and proceeded to do nothing about it. I should be confirmed town.

[KZA]

this is town kaz:

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost3945425

blunt & straight-shooting. maybe not usually gonna come up and say outright mean stuff to people before he's really frustrated, but there's always an aspect of wit and telling-it-as-it-is that i'm not really seeing. he's asking questions and not giving a follow-up, basically just doing busywork of his own elect. i'll reconsider if he shoots me down on this but right now i am thinking he might legit be wolfing imo.

Yep that is certainly a random one liner from a phoned in champs performance a year ago

[cat]

KZA 6
Voters: cat, Creature, falcon45ca, Gira, 112, MacDougall

Debil (Cat) 4
Voters: Auwt, Wiml, Marmot, MissSparkles

KGMurphy (I Work with Him) 1
Voters: Long Con

Mac Dongull 1
Voters: KZA

Creature 1
Voters: Wisdom

Wisdom 1
Voters: KGMurphy

[Wisdom]

Retracting my TR on Mac and replacing it with a MEEEEEH

[cat]

Retracting my TR on Mac and replacing it with a MEEEEEH

I assume because of what KZA said just now?

[Wisdom]

Retracting my TR on Mac and replacing it with a MEEEEEH

I assume because of what KZA said just now?

Yeah. I have a bit of meta thoughts on Mac. But if KZA is actually wolfing I'll go back to TR'ing Mac.

[KZA]

Receipts

Spiderverse - KZA town, Mac scum
Fallout 2 - KZA town, Mac multiball scum, didn't TR me
Fargo - Mac and KZA town, Mac scumread me pretty hard but died N1
[REDACTED ONGOING GAME]

I think our only other recent game is like Shadow Corridors and I don't remember how that one went but Mac and I were both town in it

[KZA]

Well I'm going back to bed

[Auwt]

I am just going to follow the trend then for now.

Hi! Have you read any of the points against cat? If you have, would you mind saying who's you agreed with and why?

I wonder how we'll find the traitors

Do you think the traitors will try to contact eachother? Should we look for softs?

I have bad feeling coming from this exact post though, I would not really expect a town to write this at all as an entrance.
This looks odd for a first post, starting with an inclusive sentence (use of "we", to appear townier?), alongside two questions.
Posting questions usually comes as a great initiative and show how willing you are to solve the game, but here it feels like Cat is trying to distance themself from the traitors?
At the same time Cat might want to encourage the traitors doing so (contact each other) with this kind of post.
Overall I do no see a town ground in this post.

I have a bad feeling about your bad feeling. This guy obviously has traitor knowledge, we should search their house.

Interesting, could you elaborate?
What kind of [ extra ] knowledge a traitor should have over a vt (spoiler: looking at the setup I don't see anything supporting this statement) ?
You seem to be very well aware of it, since you have literally written "this guy obviously has traitor knwledge".

[MacDougall]

No one's forcing you to talk about it.

Sparky is saying what I am doing is scummy but coming up short of outright accusing me because why?

Outed.

I think she just hates you instead. I'd argue against them being scummy.

[/quote]

Me? No couldn't be. I am too loveable.

[MacDougall]

I agree with 112's appraisal of KZA. I usually find KZA billboard town. So an absence of that is simply >rand mafia.

This is complete bullshit?

I can't recall a single time town Mac has ever strongly townread me in a game

heaps of times nerd

[MacDougall]

Retracting my TR on Mac and replacing it with a MEEEEEH

Ah cool Wisdom is wolfing.

[MacDougall]

Receipts

Spiderverse - KZA town, Mac scum
Fallout 2 - KZA town, Mac multiball scum, didn't TR me
Fargo - Mac and KZA town, Mac scumread me pretty hard but died N1
[REDACTED ONGOING GAME]

I think our only other recent game is like Shadow Corridors and I don't remember how that one went but Mac and I were both town in it

You were billboard in Spiderverse. Billboard in Fallout 2. I didn't have to need to read you to observe you being a fucking billboard. I even tried to pocket you because I couldn't kill you because you were a billboard.

Now shut your face.

[MacDougall]

@KZA you wake right back up you stinky person and help me solve the game.

[MacDougall]

Receipts from an actual game we were both town in

Falcon is almost always level one. Trust me.

Ur my top towan

Alison
falcon45ca
KZA
MartinG99
nutella
Stupid Sexy Flanders

This is my towncore. If your name is here you have a duty of care to not be shit.

112 - I think they're town but I don't care enough to defend them. 112 gets run up a lot these days.

Alison - Lol just town who cares.

BoKnows - Town cuz town says they're town.

Chuck - Fuck knows.

falcon45ca - Lol town.

Grand Scheme - Probably got some immersive af 3p role or something.

Joe Who? - Twtbw, townsiding. Town.

Kylemii - I uh think maybe mafia but like don't care that much.

KZA - Shiny townie person.

Made - I have doubts. This person appears to be firmly scumsiding. Probs need to resolve this potential issue here.

MartinG99 - Lol town.

NIK - Glorious naked mafia.

novaselineever - Can just die if they don't get towny and be their best self.

nutella - Lol town whatever.

Poison Master Radishes - Lean mafia. Would kill.

polypies73 - I think they're town but like whatever.

sabie12 - Lean mafia. Sabie is generally an inno child when town so if they aren't inno child they are just >rand mafia so just kill em.

sig - I have thinkings that he is spewed town by scumsiding mafia trying to keep pushing him.

SlooneiJackofhearts2005 - Honestly I dunno. I like him being the wagon atm though.

Stupid Sexy Flanders - Lol town.

Thunal33 - My town townread this person but I don't. They're probably town but you know, I'll get there maybe.

Thundercat - Just became town af.

Towny McTownface - Fuck I dunno Nook probably self resolves at some point so I don't care. Nook will get towny or die.

tutuu - Honestly depends a lot on Radishes/jack's alignment. Null atm.

There you go. Knock yourselves out.

Funny how neither Jack or Nik have voted despite being run up. That's because they're both mafia you see.

112 is maybe not mafia but like maybe they are.

This has been a PSA.

Mafia 101 presented by Macdougall

Nik is bad, but so is Macdougall

Cool. I don't believe that you believe this. So you're mafia.

I don't believe you think KZA is good.

I didn't, but then KZA was really towny for a post or so and now I do. I like how you flipped it on me here rather than trying to lie lol.

How's this Made. I literally know you are mafia in this game but I am not gonna push you because I'm gonna watch you solve the game for me while you think you're being smart.

Wow look at this one. See how this thought can linger and make me think you're a billboard? Cuz sometimes I just look at KZA and go "what a fucking billboard", like I did in this game.

[MacDougall]

Now cram it up your rum hole.

@MissSparkles get back in here so I can prove to you I am not a troll all the time.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Wisdom] aubergine

[MacDougall]

Retracting my TR on Mac and replacing it with a MEEEEEH

I assume because of what KZA said just now?

Yeah. I have a bit of meta thoughts on Mac. But if KZA is actually wolfing I'll go back to TR'ing Mac.

Elaborate.

Also how does KZA's flip impact my alignment exactly?

[MacDougall]

Oh so NOW nobody wants to play.

[MacDougall]

im a cop lol

By the way this is an ongoing running gag stemming back to JPIC fake claiming cop in Radiohead Mafia with this sentence.

[MacDougall]

I'm still confused about the setup. Is it nightless?

This is probably a wolf now that I look back on it.

[MacDougall]

@falcon45ca are you in this game?

@Gavial can you put real usernames in the poll plz.

[MacDougall]

Tomorrow I mean.

[MacDougall]

Where the fuck are the billboard towns let me find em. Randomly. On page 6.

[MacDougall]

@Wiml MissS is forcing every post. trying really hard to look involved and contributing right off the starting line. she's talking more than there are things to talk about. i take her as scum who really wants to have a good scum game this time.

tbh some of the read comes down to me seeing my own scum game in her right now. she's playing like i do when i'm geared up for a long wolf game.

Thanks! There's not much I can add to this but I appreciate your clarification.

What did you really think about his input? Be honest, i might be biased based on knowing i’m town so I want you too weigh in.

Doesn’t it feel like a scum read just for the sake of it and to be different/offer an alternative thought to my playstyle so I don’t continue getting town reads and become a problem for the traitors? Traitors can’t kill off correct universal town reads in this game and I was only getting town reads before he brought about his “suspicions”.

Still more confident in Cat, but it’s definitely something to think about considering if he is a Traitor there’s no doubt he doesn’t also think Cat is too.

I understand your concern (it's why I asked for a clarification on the read on you in particular: I had a similar wariness to you about the read, although I thought 112's entrance was towny overall).

After reading the response, I honestly don't have much to respond about the validity of the points said there but I think the thought process behind the read seems pretty genuine (from the comparison to past scum games as well as the small amount of narrative building which is something I find comes as a result of genuine solving more often than not) and I can see how 112 could realistically think that you were going for a look towny -> powerwolf strategy.

I think particularly the line "she's talking more than there are things to talk about" reminds me of my last wolf game and how purposefully overactive I was and I can understand this point in particular coming from a town who is relatively paranoid at seeing a player possibly setting themself up to try to go deep.

So tl;dr I think the explanation is fine!

It’s just he’s comparing apples to oranges, so i’m like well this isn’t a fair take on me when you don’t know me and he’s applying what he would do unto me, so i’m like ehhh.

I’m generating things to talk about is a lot more accurate and engaging numerous players is a much fairer assessment on my play rn.

Like i’m not just talking for the sake of it i’m actively prodding people, putting people in action, offering reads and my own take things.

Sure this works better in a game scum know who each other are, but I’m not gonna change the way I play based on own game, especially not when I’m pretty confident I have scum.

you have some really good insights and sincere-sounding AtE but then you keep sandwiching it between lines that seem prototypically wolf.

a few posts above you said you're "used to it" and i'm not totally sure what you meant. i mean you probably meant that you're often misread when town, but i've seen people get flustered, say something like this and ultimately flip red when they've been caught too many times consecutively. it's low-quality AtE at best and i don't see why you'd feel the need to drop it in the thread if you're town.

then further back you're like "knowing i'm town n all" as if making a point of expressing what each of your posts should naturally imply. i don't see the reason to note it.

also i don't like how you're talking in some places as if it's obvious that you're town/people should be reading you town. it seems like you're trying to evaluate your own place in the threadstate/collective consciousness which only wolves usually do tbh

like i'm probably not going to vote for you, it's early in the round lol. but you do seem flustered like i said.

I am going to play as though you are town.

[MacDougall]

I like MissSparkles.

We don't have to eliminate her by Day, if some of you suspect her.

Let's exile her instead. She stays alive if town, and she counts as one of the three if she's bad.

This post is so bad an nonsensical LC is probably town for it.