Traitors for Exile

[MacDougall]

Cat voting for me was kind of flimsy and I feel like they just started that wagon in hopes of self pres since they were leading the votes by like a 4-1 count at that point

This sounds like you had already thought that about it, so why aren't you voting there?

[MacDougall]

Is KZA voting Mac when he needs to self pres towny?

Kinda wanna say yes a little bit?

[KZA]

yeah that's my last thought then I have to leave for work

I'll vote Cat

if I die then I don't believe there was any malice behind 112's push on me

Falcon hopped on it kind of half assedly though

[Poison]

LC still voting Murphy after my sherlock speech. Smh.

@Long Con yooooooo

[MacDougall]

I think cat has a mildly decent chance of flipping traitor but it's not a strong read.

[Poison]

I'm not voting KZA yet. I'll keep them to vig later.

DEBIL, Well I remember commenting on one of his posts which seemed pretty shady and everyone talked about. But he was pretty cool and talented in turbo mafia mafia.

[Poison]

15 mins should be enough to read devil's iso.

[Creature]

I like MissSparkles.

We don't have to eliminate her by Day, if some of you suspect her.

Let's exile her instead. She stays alive if town, and she counts as one of the three if she's bad.

This post is so bad an nonsensical LC is probably town for it.

I suppose LC thought exiling three traitors = town win at that time.

[Wiml]

@Wiml can you quickly ISO her. What I can see is pure obvious not town.

No solving or any attempt to progress the game state until late into the ISO.

Calls the exile / mech conversation agenda-y at least three separate times, doesn't explain why this is the case and at one point says they don't know what the exiles means as an excuse. Don't like this, reads like trying to throw off mechanical talk that they know could make the game a lot harder for wolves by discrediting the people involved.

Very little else that's meaningful.

I don't have any experience with poison before this game but I think this is a bad ISO yeah.

[Poison]

Debil has like 51% chance of flipping Traitor. Dude's being a duck this game.

[Wiml]

Poison do you intend to vote?

I'm planning to vote sparkle, but that vote ain't lynching her so it would be a waste. I'll rather iso the top wagons quickly.

I'm confused about your progression here. What makes you think that Sparkles' anger at Mac was wolf indicative? Especially to the degree of flipping your read on her?

Can you point out my flipping post? Appreciated.

ISO me, I think I have talked about her quite a lot.

Nvm, you were referring exclusively to Mac and not both Mac and Sparkles.

[Poison]

@Wiml can you quickly ISO her. What I can see is pure obvious not town.

No solving or any attempt to progress the game state until late into the ISO.

Calls the exile / mech conversation agenda-y at least three separate times, doesn't explain why this is the case and at one point says they don't know what the exiles means as an excuse. Don't like this, reads like trying to throw off mechanical talk that they know could make the game a lot harder for wolves by discrediting the people involved.

Very little else that's meaningful.

I don't have any experience with poison before this game but I think this is a bad ISO yeah.

Aight KZA's not the target anymore. You are.

[MacDougall]

When I have nothing to work with I just tunnell falcon so

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Might tunnell 112 aswell

This is actually probably a town.

[Wiml]

Okay Wiml is a fucking town billboard in this game.

Do I want to ask what this means???

Your ISO is just dramatically obvious town and your agenda to solve the game for town is transparent. You are a BILLBOARD that has town written on it lol.

Lol well I try! I thought I might take this game a bit easier than usual but the mech stuff is very interesting.

[Poison]

Poison do you intend to vote?

I'm planning to vote sparkle, but that vote ain't lynching her so it would be a waste. I'll rather iso the top wagons quickly.

I'm confused about your progression here. What makes you think that Sparkles' anger at Mac was wolf indicative? Especially to the degree of flipping your read on her?

Can you point out my flipping post? Appreciated.

ISO me, I think I have talked about her quite a lot.

Nvm, you were referring exclusively to Mac and not both Mac and Sparkles.

Ayyy, so at least something changed. You'll lock town read me soon, even if I am taking you in urashima taro land!!

[MacDougall]

@Wiml can you quickly ISO her. What I can see is pure obvious not town.

No solving or any attempt to progress the game state until late into the ISO.

Calls the exile / mech conversation agenda-y at least three separate times, doesn't explain why this is the case and at one point says they don't know what the exiles means as an excuse. Don't like this, reads like trying to throw off mechanical talk that they know could make the game a lot harder for wolves by discrediting the people involved.

Very little else that's meaningful.

I don't have any experience with poison before this game but I think this is a bad ISO yeah.

Aight KZA's not the target anymore. You are.

Wiml very >rand town here. Very very.

[Poison]

[VOTE: cat] aubergine

[Poison]

Not really up for KZA elim yet

[Poison]

@Wiml can you quickly ISO her. What I can see is pure obvious not town.

No solving or any attempt to progress the game state until late into the ISO.

Calls the exile / mech conversation agenda-y at least three separate times, doesn't explain why this is the case and at one point says they don't know what the exiles means as an excuse. Don't like this, reads like trying to throw off mechanical talk that they know could make the game a lot harder for wolves by discrediting the people involved.

Very little else that's meaningful.

I don't have any experience with poison before this game but I think this is a bad ISO yeah.

Aight KZA's not the target anymore. You are.

Wiml very >rand town here. Very very.

I'm trying to threaten him here.. Fear works better than logic!!!!

[Wiml]

Well yes to both.

Honestly, I haven't really got the time to read the entire thread but upto where I read I thought creature's concern about a few stuffs were somewhat mindmelds.

I didn't enjoy the first two pages of turtle/sparkle seemed rather agenda yyy and marmot seems different than the last game where he was scum.

Are you referring to the mechanics stuff with this? (Or at least wrt the mention of me). What wolf agenda would I be pushing by trying to mech optimise the game in our favour (given, as a reminder, that the wolves don't know their teammates)?

1. It sounded like the thread control was in your hand, you / sparkle.
2. Both of you talked about exile mostly.
3. The way it all happened you two would have a greater chance to actually go into exile.
4. Scum wins when they are in exile.
5. When you read the whole conversation as a whole it seems like at least one of you pushed it forward than natural terms

Yeah, we were talking about exiles... but neither of us ever suggested exiling anybody in particular besides possibly the cop. The method we also decided to stick to before somebody pointed out we could exile cop targets still made it literally impossible to lose to exile no matter what.

So even if one of us were wolves trying to get one of ourselves exiled, it wouldn't have resulted in a wolf win regardless if you look at the conclusions we made at the end of the conversation about limiting how often a given person gets exiled.

[Creature]

Still pissed cop didn't out

[Creature]

Better not be Cat

[MacDougall]

Aight I did a bit of light ISO of everybody there. I didn't go into super detail but I got enough of a baseline to be comfortable.

Strong town

Wisdom - Genuine solving right off the bat. Immediately townreading Wiml is not something Wisdom would do as traitor I don't think. It was a real read and if she is a traitor town reading Wiml i think she probably doesn't even say anything there. Yes I know this is a 180.
Wiml - Already kinda stated it.
Miss Sparkles - Crazed levels of solving to the point of insanity. Hyperposting (comparatively) on a site that she is unfamiliar with. Just >rand town.

Lean town

KGMurphy - Short. Kinda ISO I'd expect from someone who is just here to have a bit of a laugh. Nothing sus.
Marmot - Kinda just think so... can't really articulate why.
LC - LC revels in a randing weird adversarial 3p style things. In this game he isn't in his element with a town rand, and therefore his lack of enthusiasm is towny for him.
Gira - Exploded into the thread in a really towny way, but there's room for doubt because I have no meta to understand their range.
KZA - Reacted to me kinda towny at the end of the day here. At the start of the day the post where he said he was gonna tunnel Falcon and 112 was hilar and towny.

Lean traitor

falcon - Just off. Weird read and push on Wiml in the early game based on nothing. Seemed invented. There were some other reasons I'd already stated and the ISO read gave me nothing to drop it for.
cat - Not much to go on really. Nothing towny, kinda here by default??
Auwt - Awkward at times. Seems concerned with their appearance to me.

Strong traitor

Poison - What Wiml said.

[Poison]

Wiml, exactly that's why I'm not saying it's the two of you together. Even if you don't mention whom to put in exile it is pretty normal for people to sheep mostly those who seems - excited, involved, contributive. Even if one of you is scum and started it when you see someone directing the things in the other way you go that way because you don't want to sound opportunistic.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: cat] aubergine

[Creature]

I don't exist

[MacDougall]

Aight I did a bit of light ISO of everybody there. I didn't go into super detail but I got enough of a baseline to be comfortable.

Strong town

Wisdom - Genuine solving right off the bat. Immediately townreading Wiml is not something Wisdom would do as traitor I don't think. It was a real read and if she is a traitor town reading Wiml i think she probably doesn't even say anything there. Yes I know this is a 180.
Wiml - Already kinda stated it.
Miss Sparkles - Crazed levels of solving to the point of insanity. Hyperposting (comparatively) on a site that she is unfamiliar with. Just >rand town.

Lean town

KGMurphy - Short. Kinda ISO I'd expect from someone who is just here to have a bit of a laugh. Nothing sus.
Marmot - Kinda just think so... can't really articulate why.
LC - LC revels in a randing weird adversarial 3p style things. In this game he isn't in his element with a town rand, and therefore his lack of enthusiasm is towny for him.
Gira - Exploded into the thread in a really towny way, but there's room for doubt because I have no meta to understand their range.
KZA - Reacted to me kinda towny at the end of the day here. At the start of the day the post where he said he was gonna tunnel Falcon and 112 was hilar and towny.

Lean traitor

falcon - Just off. Weird read and push on Wiml in the early game based on nothing. Seemed invented. There were some other reasons I'd already stated and the ISO read gave me nothing to drop it for.
cat - Not much to go on really. Nothing towny, kinda here by default??
Auwt - Awkward at times. Seems concerned with their appearance to me.

Strong traitor

Poison - What Wiml said.

Jeez I forgot to add Creature.

Who ironically in my spreadsheet here is strong traitor also lol

[Poison]

Aight I did a bit of light ISO of everybody there. I didn't go into super detail but I got enough of a baseline to be comfortable.

Strong town

Wisdom - Genuine solving right off the bat. Immediately townreading Wiml is not something Wisdom would do as traitor I don't think. It was a real read and if she is a traitor town reading Wiml i think she probably doesn't even say anything there. Yes I know this is a 180.
Wiml - Already kinda stated it.
Miss Sparkles - Crazed levels of solving to the point of insanity. Hyperposting (comparatively) on a site that she is unfamiliar with. Just >rand town.

Lean town

KGMurphy - Short. Kinda ISO I'd expect from someone who is just here to have a bit of a laugh. Nothing sus.
Marmot - Kinda just think so... can't really articulate why.
LC - LC revels in a randing weird adversarial 3p style things. In this game he isn't in his element with a town rand, and therefore his lack of enthusiasm is towny for him.
Gira - Exploded into the thread in a really towny way, but there's room for doubt because I have no meta to understand their range.
KZA - Reacted to me kinda towny at the end of the day here. At the start of the day the post where he said he was gonna tunnel Falcon and 112 was hilar and towny.

Lean traitor

falcon - Just off. Weird read and push on Wiml in the early game based on nothing. Seemed invented. There were some other reasons I'd already stated and the ISO read gave me nothing to drop it for.
cat - Not much to go on really. Nothing towny, kinda here by default??
Auwt - Awkward at times. Seems concerned with their appearance to me.

Strong traitor

Poison - What Wiml said.

Lmao you flipping reads on me like I flip my book when I don't like it. But I don't think I need to defend myself atm. Who are you gonna vote?

[MacDougall]

Creature read is like the Poison read. Their ISO felt like they were just floundering for something/anything to say. It's not really aligned to what I'm used to from Creature. It's a really similar ISO to Poisons.

[Poison]

Aight I did a bit of light ISO of everybody there. I didn't go into super detail but I got enough of a baseline to be comfortable.

Strong town

Wisdom - Genuine solving right off the bat. Immediately townreading Wiml is not something Wisdom would do as traitor I don't think. It was a real read and if she is a traitor town reading Wiml i think she probably doesn't even say anything there. Yes I know this is a 180.
Wiml - Already kinda stated it.
Miss Sparkles - Crazed levels of solving to the point of insanity. Hyperposting (comparatively) on a site that she is unfamiliar with. Just >rand town.

Lean town

KGMurphy - Short. Kinda ISO I'd expect from someone who is just here to have a bit of a laugh. Nothing sus.
Marmot - Kinda just think so... can't really articulate why.
LC - LC revels in a randing weird adversarial 3p style things. In this game he isn't in his element with a town rand, and therefore his lack of enthusiasm is towny for him.
Gira - Exploded into the thread in a really towny way, but there's room for doubt because I have no meta to understand their range.
KZA - Reacted to me kinda towny at the end of the day here. At the start of the day the post where he said he was gonna tunnel Falcon and 112 was hilar and towny.

Lean traitor

falcon - Just off. Weird read and push on Wiml in the early game based on nothing. Seemed invented. There were some other reasons I'd already stated and the ISO read gave me nothing to drop it for.
cat - Not much to go on really. Nothing towny, kinda here by default??
Auwt - Awkward at times. Seems concerned with their appearance to me.

Strong traitor

Poison - What Wiml said.

Jeez I forgot to add Creature.

Who ironically in my spreadsheet here is strong traitor also lol

Some creatures are pure poison.

[Poison]

Ay creature are you lost?

[MissSparkles]

I’m catching up

[MacDougall]

Aight I did a bit of light ISO of everybody there. I didn't go into super detail but I got enough of a baseline to be comfortable.

Strong town

Wisdom - Genuine solving right off the bat. Immediately townreading Wiml is not something Wisdom would do as traitor I don't think. It was a real read and if she is a traitor town reading Wiml i think she probably doesn't even say anything there. Yes I know this is a 180.
Wiml - Already kinda stated it.
Miss Sparkles - Crazed levels of solving to the point of insanity. Hyperposting (comparatively) on a site that she is unfamiliar with. Just >rand town.

Lean town

KGMurphy - Short. Kinda ISO I'd expect from someone who is just here to have a bit of a laugh. Nothing sus.
Marmot - Kinda just think so... can't really articulate why.
LC - LC revels in a randing weird adversarial 3p style things. In this game he isn't in his element with a town rand, and therefore his lack of enthusiasm is towny for him.
Gira - Exploded into the thread in a really towny way, but there's room for doubt because I have no meta to understand their range.
KZA - Reacted to me kinda towny at the end of the day here. At the start of the day the post where he said he was gonna tunnel Falcon and 112 was hilar and towny.

Lean traitor

falcon - Just off. Weird read and push on Wiml in the early game based on nothing. Seemed invented. There were some other reasons I'd already stated and the ISO read gave me nothing to drop it for.
cat - Not much to go on really. Nothing towny, kinda here by default??
Auwt - Awkward at times. Seems concerned with their appearance to me.

Strong traitor

Poison - What Wiml said.

Lmao you flipping reads on me like I flip my book when I don't like it. But I don't think I need to defend myself atm. Who are you gonna vote?

Eh you're just getting the full visibility into my thought process.

You were shielding me a bit and I wasn't really fully focused on solving for a while. Then I saw something weird, then something good, then I isoed you and it was bad. Then Wiml agreed. So now you're top scum for me lol.

[MacDougall]

I’m catching up

Day just ended lol

[MissSparkles]

Give me like an hour

[MissSparkles]

I just woke up LOL

[Poison]

Aight I did a bit of light ISO of everybody there. I didn't go into super detail but I got enough of a baseline to be comfortable.

Strong town

Wisdom - Genuine solving right off the bat. Immediately townreading Wiml is not something Wisdom would do as traitor I don't think. It was a real read and if she is a traitor town reading Wiml i think she probably doesn't even say anything there. Yes I know this is a 180.
Wiml - Already kinda stated it.
Miss Sparkles - Crazed levels of solving to the point of insanity. Hyperposting (comparatively) on a site that she is unfamiliar with. Just >rand town.

Lean town

KGMurphy - Short. Kinda ISO I'd expect from someone who is just here to have a bit of a laugh. Nothing sus.
Marmot - Kinda just think so... can't really articulate why.
LC - LC revels in a randing weird adversarial 3p style things. In this game he isn't in his element with a town rand, and therefore his lack of enthusiasm is towny for him.
Gira - Exploded into the thread in a really towny way, but there's room for doubt because I have no meta to understand their range.
KZA - Reacted to me kinda towny at the end of the day here. At the start of the day the post where he said he was gonna tunnel Falcon and 112 was hilar and towny.

Lean traitor

falcon - Just off. Weird read and push on Wiml in the early game based on nothing. Seemed invented. There were some other reasons I'd already stated and the ISO read gave me nothing to drop it for.
cat - Not much to go on really. Nothing towny, kinda here by default??
Auwt - Awkward at times. Seems concerned with their appearance to me.

Strong traitor

Poison - What Wiml said.

Lmao you flipping reads on me like I flip my book when I don't like it. But I don't think I need to defend myself atm. Who are you gonna vote?

Eh you're just getting the full visibility into my thought process.

You were shielding me a bit and I wasn't really fully focused on solving for a while. Then I saw something weird, then something good, then I isoed you and it was bad. Then Wiml agreed. So now you're top scum for me lol.

Oh fair.

You still think I'm a good shitposter tho?

[MacDougall]

So I'd go like old school rainbow style.

Wisdom
Wiml
Miss Sparkles
Long Con
Gira
KGMurphy
112
Marmot
cat
auwt
creature
poison

[MacDougall]

Aight I did a bit of light ISO of everybody there. I didn't go into super detail but I got enough of a baseline to be comfortable.

Strong town

Wisdom - Genuine solving right off the bat. Immediately townreading Wiml is not something Wisdom would do as traitor I don't think. It was a real read and if she is a traitor town reading Wiml i think she probably doesn't even say anything there. Yes I know this is a 180.
Wiml - Already kinda stated it.
Miss Sparkles - Crazed levels of solving to the point of insanity. Hyperposting (comparatively) on a site that she is unfamiliar with. Just >rand town.

Lean town

KGMurphy - Short. Kinda ISO I'd expect from someone who is just here to have a bit of a laugh. Nothing sus.
Marmot - Kinda just think so... can't really articulate why.
LC - LC revels in a randing weird adversarial 3p style things. In this game he isn't in his element with a town rand, and therefore his lack of enthusiasm is towny for him.
Gira - Exploded into the thread in a really towny way, but there's room for doubt because I have no meta to understand their range.
KZA - Reacted to me kinda towny at the end of the day here. At the start of the day the post where he said he was gonna tunnel Falcon and 112 was hilar and towny.

Lean traitor

falcon - Just off. Weird read and push on Wiml in the early game based on nothing. Seemed invented. There were some other reasons I'd already stated and the ISO read gave me nothing to drop it for.
cat - Not much to go on really. Nothing towny, kinda here by default??
Auwt - Awkward at times. Seems concerned with their appearance to me.

Strong traitor

Poison - What Wiml said.

Lmao you flipping reads on me like I flip my book when I don't like it. But I don't think I need to defend myself atm. Who are you gonna vote?

Eh you're just getting the full visibility into my thought process.

You were shielding me a bit and I wasn't really fully focused on solving for a while. Then I saw something weird, then something good, then I isoed you and it was bad. Then Wiml agreed. So now you're top scum for me lol.

Oh fair.

You still think I'm a good shitposter tho?

Yeh u squishy so cute etc.

[Poison]

Why is marmot YWLLOW

[MacDougall]

#bringbackrainbows

[MacDougall]

Why is marmot YWLLOW

he's a tier lower and a tier higher than the colours either side of him

[Poison]

Aight I did a bit of light ISO of everybody there. I didn't go into super detail but I got enough of a baseline to be comfortable.

Strong town

Wisdom - Genuine solving right off the bat. Immediately townreading Wiml is not something Wisdom would do as traitor I don't think. It was a real read and if she is a traitor town reading Wiml i think she probably doesn't even say anything there. Yes I know this is a 180.
Wiml - Already kinda stated it.
Miss Sparkles - Crazed levels of solving to the point of insanity. Hyperposting (comparatively) on a site that she is unfamiliar with. Just >rand town.

Lean town

KGMurphy - Short. Kinda ISO I'd expect from someone who is just here to have a bit of a laugh. Nothing sus.
Marmot - Kinda just think so... can't really articulate why.
LC - LC revels in a randing weird adversarial 3p style things. In this game he isn't in his element with a town rand, and therefore his lack of enthusiasm is towny for him.
Gira - Exploded into the thread in a really towny way, but there's room for doubt because I have no meta to understand their range.
KZA - Reacted to me kinda towny at the end of the day here. At the start of the day the post where he said he was gonna tunnel Falcon and 112 was hilar and towny.

Lean traitor

falcon - Just off. Weird read and push on Wiml in the early game based on nothing. Seemed invented. There were some other reasons I'd already stated and the ISO read gave me nothing to drop it for.
cat - Not much to go on really. Nothing towny, kinda here by default??
Auwt - Awkward at times. Seems concerned with their appearance to me.

Strong traitor

Poison - What Wiml said.

Lmao you flipping reads on me like I flip my book when I don't like it. But I don't think I need to defend myself atm. Who are you gonna vote?

Eh you're just getting the full visibility into my thought process.

You were shielding me a bit and I wasn't really fully focused on solving for a while. Then I saw something weird, then something good, then I isoed you and it was bad. Then Wiml agreed. So now you're top scum for me lol.

Oh fair.

You still think I'm a good shitposter tho?

Yeh u squishy so cute etc.

AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.

Now I can go back to the boring assignment. Bye bye.

I will try to finish reading the thread at night phase. I G.

[MacDougall]

anyway if there were people here that could read me you'd all know I was outed town now but unfortunately this is a cursed game and there is literally nobody in it who has good history of correctly reading me as town without harbouring intense tinfoil at some point lol

[Creature]

Ay creature are you lost?

Got distracted in a subreddit

[MacDougall]

Aight I did a bit of light ISO of everybody there. I didn't go into super detail but I got enough of a baseline to be comfortable.

Strong town

Wisdom - Genuine solving right off the bat. Immediately townreading Wiml is not something Wisdom would do as traitor I don't think. It was a real read and if she is a traitor town reading Wiml i think she probably doesn't even say anything there. Yes I know this is a 180.
Wiml - Already kinda stated it.
Miss Sparkles - Crazed levels of solving to the point of insanity. Hyperposting (comparatively) on a site that she is unfamiliar with. Just >rand town.

Lean town

KGMurphy - Short. Kinda ISO I'd expect from someone who is just here to have a bit of a laugh. Nothing sus.
Marmot - Kinda just think so... can't really articulate why.
LC - LC revels in a randing weird adversarial 3p style things. In this game he isn't in his element with a town rand, and therefore his lack of enthusiasm is towny for him.
Gira - Exploded into the thread in a really towny way, but there's room for doubt because I have no meta to understand their range.
KZA - Reacted to me kinda towny at the end of the day here. At the start of the day the post where he said he was gonna tunnel Falcon and 112 was hilar and towny.

Lean traitor

falcon - Just off. Weird read and push on Wiml in the early game based on nothing. Seemed invented. There were some other reasons I'd already stated and the ISO read gave me nothing to drop it for.
cat - Not much to go on really. Nothing towny, kinda here by default??
Auwt - Awkward at times. Seems concerned with their appearance to me.

Strong traitor

Poison - What Wiml said.

Lmao you flipping reads on me like I flip my book when I don't like it. But I don't think I need to defend myself atm. Who are you gonna vote?

Eh you're just getting the full visibility into my thought process.

You were shielding me a bit and I wasn't really fully focused on solving for a while. Then I saw something weird, then something good, then I isoed you and it was bad. Then Wiml agreed. So now you're top scum for me lol.

Oh fair.

You still think I'm a good shitposter tho?

Yeh u squishy so cute etc.

AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.

Now I can go back to the boring assignment. Bye bye.

I will try to finish reading the thread at night phase. I G.

If u do get solvy and like show me some good reads with good evidence I'm prone to forgiving the bad start on account of I did exactly the same thing lol.

[Wiml]

I think Mac is town fwiw.

[Creature]

there is literally nobody in it who has good history of correctly reading me as town without harbouring intense tinfoil at some point lol

Relatable

[Gavial]

Day 1 End Vote Count

Wisdom (1) - KGMurphy
KGMurphy (1) - Long Con
Creature (1) - Wisdom
KZA (5) - Cat, Creature, Captain Falcon, Gira and 112
Debil - (7) - Auwt, WimI, Marmot, MissSparkles, Poison, KZA, Mac Dongull

Debil has been yeeted!

There were

Spoiler: show

Town

It is now Exile Phase

[MacDougall]

I think Mac is town fwiw.

I feel warm