Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [ENDGAME]

[MacDougall]

You're welcome.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also, do we know how many scum are left?

my thought is if there's one, a power move this late in the game makes more sense, if there's 2, less so, which makes martin look a little better in that situation

Probably 2, but I don't know what you mean. What's Martin's power move?

[MacDougall]

Jay got a double vote on the day he wants me dead. Lol.

[Sloonei]

@Made I would not say that particular post from Martin influenced my decision. But earlier in the day, martin was on my shortlist of potential targets (along with OC), and I thought Martin’s play throughout the phase looked the most town of all the players on said shortlist. So, indirectly, Martin influenced my decision by making me not want to shoot him.

[Made]

Made's posting this day has been incredibly bad.

Yeah he can be chopped.

#cantchopwontchop

keep up friends, this play is bout to be legendary. bout to come off the bench for the game winning shot

[Alison]

Made's posting this day has been incredibly bad.

Yeah he can be chopped.

#cantchopwontchop

keep up friends, this play is bout to be legendary. bout to come off the bench for the game winning shot

If you're going to claim or reveal as innocent child or something just do it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Allcrab @lost monkey to be absolutely clear, neither of you targeted Gnome on Night 4. Correct?

[Allcrab]

@Allcrab @lost monkey to be absolutely clear, neither of you targeted Gnome on Night 4. Correct?

Correct.

I targeted Mac.

[Alison]

@Allcrab @lost monkey to be absolutely clear, neither of you targeted Gnome on Night 4. Correct?

Allcrab has claimed to target Mac. LoMo is JOAT and has used up his watcher.

[MacDougall]

Nobody visited Mac? Then explain how I got this boner?

[Alison]

LoMo is now hyper clear because he is confirmed to be JOAT with a watcher shot (corroborated by Allcrab) and a roleblocker shot (corroborated by Sloonei being blocked). A mafia JOAT with 1x watcher and 1x roleblocker on a team with a mafia roleblocker is implausible and beggars belief. This increases Mac's scum equity since Mac wanted to get us to suspect LoMo.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Mac has entered lolcat

[Sloonei]

LoMo is now hyper clear because he is confirmed to be JOAT with a watcher shot (corroborated by Allcrab) and a roleblocker shot (corroborated by Sloonei being blocked). A mafia JOAT with 1x watcher and 1x roleblocker on a team with a mafia roleblocker is implausible and beggars belief. This increases Mac's scum equity since Mac wanted to get us to suspect LoMo.

I do want to question the decisions to block me and protect allcrab though.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also want to remind folks that Mac is the most appropriate Syndicat to come up with locking me in a room with Gavial.

[Alison]

I am of two minds regarding Martin.

I strongly townread his play and the way he handled his claim was extremely townie. He claimed first without any pressure to do so, and if he is the mafia poison healer he would know that the town poison healer would CC him and make him look bad.

On the other hand it seems silly to have two poison healers since they'd both just heal the D2 poisoned person.

On the third hand there is something very strange going on with the poison this game because it has weird targeting this game and I don't know what to make of that. Which increases the chances that two poison healer makes sense somehow.

[MacDougall]

Mac has entered lolcat

Not quite. I don't do level 1 basic bitch things like that. I am available for comedy at all times amigo.

[Made]

Also, do we know how many scum are left?

my thought is if there's one, a power move this late in the game makes more sense, if there's 2, less so, which makes martin look a little better in that situation

Probably 2, but I don't know what you mean. What's Martin's power move?

His giant wall on OC. Depending on who holds poison power, it make sense as scum to dunk on your teammate, and ride it into a winning Lx--especially if the writing was on the walls for OC (I don't know how much that was the case cuz I wasn't in thread at the time). Winning L3 or L5 with this play better position rather than L5 on a flimsy raft. @MartinGG99 were you town in Nanook's "bastard" game?

[MartinGG99]

[snip]

[snip]

I agree he has that comfortable-in-thread impulsiveness that is usually associated with town, but idk if you've ever been town when Guillo's been wolf, but he can fake that. He has compared himself to Gavial a few times, and I think that is actually a good comparison, they both are very good at bringing that impulsive posting style into their wolf games.

I'm not fully convinced he is a wolf, but I think the reasons he is being townread by most are exactly what you described, and having been on the losing side of wolf!Guillo multiple times, I don't think it is as AI as many people do. Take away his impulsive posting style, and what do you get?

Honestly removing "impulsive" from the equation and you can't really see much. I mean, to read him without impulsiveness in mind is kinda like not trying to read him at all fmpov.

The only evaluation at that point is the expectation that he has been hunting in reasonable faith. And whether he has been negatively affected during the night. I can't really think of anything else.

Can you elaborate on this? I'm not sure what you're saying here.

I'm not sure if I can elaborate effectively. I'm just pulling this straight from my head.

I mean. It's his style. I don't know how people read things without considering style, and whether doing so would be accurate.

If he's town I would have to take in that they're impulsive. If they're wolf I would have to take in fake impulsivity. In determining either I would have to consider the impulsivity and how that might influence a !town him unless I'm assuming he's a wolf.

this is a weird take from Martin. I feel like if he's scum, being wishy washing, and then going on at length as to the flavor of the wishwash is the best way to add volume without substances on a slot that might need a mislynch later. Ironically, it's overly careful. I also don't think I would ever compare Gav's game to Gulio's game generally. they're just not similar like that.

A few things:

--I think it's inherently going to look "weird" because of this.

--Wishy Washy? What in the world does that even mean in Forum Mafia?

--This isn't directly a take on Gulio. This is a take on what Seanzie asked me in regards to *how* one should read Gulio (shown in red glow); in no way is this going to lead directly to a deletion. I was arguing that he was suggesting to me to ignore Gulio's impulsiveness, and that is problematic because both wolf and town Gulio would use that and thus it would have to be considered even if it were NAI.

--What am I being very careful or overly careful about? What should I be concerned about that's supposedly making me careful here?

[MacDougall]

Also want to remind folks that Mac is the most appropriate Syndicat to come up with locking me in a room with Gavial.

You sound like you're trying to convince yourself.

But it's ok Jay. I forgive you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also want to remind folks that Mac is the most appropriate Syndicat to come up with locking me in a room with Gavial.

You sound like you're trying to convince yourself.

But it's ok Jay. I forgive you.

Already did

[Sloonei]

Also want to remind folks that Mac is the most appropriate Syndicat to come up with locking me in a room with Gavial.

You sound like you're trying to convince yourself.

But it's ok Jay. I forgive you.

Who bad?

[Alison]

If Mac is scum I think his partner is >90% to be Made. His bickering with Guillo doesn't seem like they're teammates, and everyone else seems varying degrees of townie. Therefore I will be examining Mac/Made interactions to see if there's anything that would point away from a team of those two, and (speculatively) Guillo as the poisoner.

[Alison]

I guess it could be Guillo/Made and Mac as the poisoner.

[Alison]

@Allcrab remind me what your targets are?

[Alison]

Apparently Made is too common a word in Mac's iso for me to search and I don't feel up to manually ctrl + fing through 16 pages of iso so I'll let someone harder working than me handle that.

[MacDougall]

Also want to remind folks that Mac is the most appropriate Syndicat to come up with locking me in a room with Gavial.

You sound like you're trying to convince yourself.

But it's ok Jay. I forgive you.

Who bad?

I already am down with just killing the POE that contains me. I said as much yesterday.

The notion that I bus Nutella for cred and then proceed to out myself defending orangecrush is pretty dumb but I did sorta defend them and if Jay says I need to be punished for it in the middle of Jay leading a stomp then there isn't much point fighting about it. Jay is the mayor in this game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Apparently Made is too common a word in Mac's iso for me to search and I don't feel up to manually ctrl + fing through 16 pages of iso so I'll let someone harder working than me handle that.

I'll get it.

[Made]

[snip]

I agree he has that comfortable-in-thread impulsiveness that is usually associated with town, but idk if you've ever been town when Guillo's been wolf, but he can fake that. He has compared himself to Gavial a few times, and I think that is actually a good comparison, they both are very good at bringing that impulsive posting style into their wolf games.

I'm not fully convinced he is a wolf, but I think the reasons he is being townread by most are exactly what you described, and having been on the losing side of wolf!Guillo multiple times, I don't think it is as AI as many people do. Take away his impulsive posting style, and what do you get?

Honestly removing "impulsive" from the equation and you can't really see much. I mean, to read him without impulsiveness in mind is kinda like not trying to read him at all fmpov.

The only evaluation at that point is the expectation that he has been hunting in reasonable faith. And whether he has been negatively affected during the night. I can't really think of anything else.

Can you elaborate on this? I'm not sure what you're saying here.

I'm not sure if I can elaborate effectively. I'm just pulling this straight from my head.

I mean. It's his style. I don't know how people read things without considering style, and whether doing so would be accurate.

If he's town I would have to take in that they're impulsive. If they're wolf I would have to take in fake impulsivity. In determining either I would have to consider the impulsivity and how that might influence a !town him unless I'm assuming he's a wolf.

this is a weird take from Martin. I feel like if he's scum, being wishy washing, and then going on at length as to the flavor of the wishwash is the best way to add volume without substances on a slot that might need a mislynch later. Ironically, it's overly careful. I also don't think I would ever compare Gav's game to Gulio's game generally. they're just not similar like that.

A few things:

--I think it's inherently going to look "weird" because of this.

--Wishy Washy? What in the world does that even mean in Forum Mafia?

--This isn't directly a take on Gulio. This is a take on what Seanzie asked me in regards to *how* one should read Gulio (shown in red glow); in no way is this going to lead directly to a deletion. I was arguing that he was suggesting to me to ignore Gulio's impulsiveness, and that is problematic because both wolf and town Gulio would use that and thus it would have to be considered even if it were NAI.

--What am I being very careful or overly careful about? What should I be concerned about that's supposedly making me careful here?

weird/sus, same thing, but avoiding hard stances is pro scum. What is your read on Gulio right now?

[MacDougall]

If Mac is scum I think his partner is >90% to be Made. His bickering with Guillo doesn't seem like they're teammates, and everyone else seems varying degrees of townie. Therefore I will be examining Mac/Made interactions to see if there's anything that would point away from a team of those two, and (speculatively) Guillo as the poisoner.

I am not mafia and I am not the poisoner. I am however a fantastic dancer.

[Alison]

Made's ISO contains no meaningful interactions with either Mac or Guillo.

[Alison]

If Mac is scum I think his partner is >90% to be Made. His bickering with Guillo doesn't seem like they're teammates, and everyone else seems varying degrees of townie. Therefore I will be examining Mac/Made interactions to see if there's anything that would point away from a team of those two, and (speculatively) Guillo as the poisoner.

I am not mafia and I am not the poisoner. I am however a fantastic dancer.

Full claim?

[MacDougall]

Made's ISO contains no meaningful interactions with either Mac or Guillo.

does it contain meaningful interactions with anyone?

[MacDougall]

If Mac is scum I think his partner is >90% to be Made. His bickering with Guillo doesn't seem like they're teammates, and everyone else seems varying degrees of townie. Therefore I will be examining Mac/Made interactions to see if there's anything that would point away from a team of those two, and (speculatively) Guillo as the poisoner.

I am not mafia and I am not the poisoner. I am however a fantastic dancer.

Full claim?

You'll see when you flip me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I already am down with just killing the POE that contains me. I said as much yesterday.

Who else is in that POE group?

[Alison]

Let's just vote Made to be honest.

Like what even is the mafia team if Made is town? Is it Mac + Guillo? Is it [Mac/Guillo] + Allcrab who ripped off LoMo's watcher result and TMI'd bunny and has been skating by ever since? It is one of those + Martin who has fooled me?

I am not inspired by any of these possibilities. A mafia team with Made in it makes the most sense regardless of anyone else's alignment.

[Alison]

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

[MacDougall]

I already am down with just killing the POE that contains me. I said as much yesterday.

Who else is in that POE group?

All those names of people you was saying I dunno. Its your list and you expect me to memorise it?

[MartinGG99]

On the third hand there is something very strange going on with the poison this game because it has weird targeting this game and I don't know what to make of that. Which increases the chances that two poison healer makes sense somehow.

I'm not sure I follow as to how that in particular increases the chance of two poisoner healers.

I mean, even so, if I were mafia those poisons are likely NK targets for me. The same applies if I were the actual poisoner. It's what I nervously attach myself to doing when there are players who I feel can out-town me and I think they will survive to F-X; I just target the more deletable targets in the hopes that town paranoia rips itself apart.

[Guillotine]

I am a town mason and my partner can clear me at any time and i can clear my partner.
So i suggest to focus in other theories.

[MacDougall]

I wish someone had have cop checked me by now.

[Alison]

I am a town mason and my partner can clear me at any time and i can clear my partner.
So i suggest to focus in other theories.

Is your partner in the following group: [Mac, Made, Allcrab, Martin]?

If the answer is yes say so now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Made is the most likely to be eliminated today, so it's not something I am inclined to talk about much on its own yet. I'm looking for relationships and other suspects tangential to him.

[Alison]

On the third hand there is something very strange going on with the poison this game because it has weird targeting this game and I don't know what to make of that. Which increases the chances that two poison healer makes sense somehow.

I'm not sure I follow as to how that in particular increases the chance of two poisoner healers.

I mean, even so, if I were mafia those poisons are likely NK targets for me. The same applies if I were the actual poisoner. It's what I nervously attach myself to doing when there are players who I feel can out-town me and I think they will survive to F-X; I just target the more deletable targets in the hopes that town paranoia rips itself apart.

Neither NK nor poison targeting the two desperado confirmed towns is extremely weird.

[Made]

Let's just vote Made to be honest.

Like what even is the mafia team if Made is town? Is it Mac + Guillo? Is it [Mac/Guillo] + Allcrab who ripped off LoMo's watcher result and TMI'd bunny and has been skating by ever since? It is one of those + Martin who has fooled me?

I am not inspired by any of these possibilities. A mafia team with Made in it makes the most sense regardless of anyone else's alignment.

what points do you have in favor of Mac or Guilo or Allcrab or Lomo that makes them mutually incompatible? Is it Jay's analysis. The issue is if there's 2 scum left it's either those or you're getting got sis.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I already am down with just killing the POE that contains me. I said as much yesterday.

Who else is in that POE group?

All those names of people you was saying I dunno. Its your list and you expect me to memorise it?

It's not my list. It's a combined effort of numerous players including me. Stop trying to make this game some kind of Jay Emperor thing when it has never been that at any juncture. Who's your POE pool?

[MacDougall]

12 alive. Gnome probably dying.
11. Chop Made.
2 more dead 9.
Chop Mac.
2 more dead 7.

You guys will be at f7 with at least one mafia and probably the poisoner. Town will probably lose from there. So I probably do need to prove myself somehow. Le sigh.

[Guillotine]

I wish someone had have cop checked me by now.

My partner's last night legacy was that you are town along with Alison and J, i disagreed on you being town, but now im not sure.

Mac, level with me. Would scum!you kill Seanzie right after he sus you?

[Alison]

Made is the most likely to be eliminated today, so it's not something I am inclined to talk about much on its own yet. I'm looking for relationships and other suspects tangential to him.

I remember that I said something like, I think Made is a save, and Mac came in and said I agree.

I don't remember many other interactions they've had but the one I remember seems teammate compatible. I trust you'll do your due diligence on all their interactions anyway.

[MacDougall]

I already am down with just killing the POE that contains me. I said as much yesterday.

Who else is in that POE group?

All those names of people you was saying I dunno. Its your list and you expect me to memorise it?

It's not my list. It's a combined effort of numerous players including me. Stop trying to make this game some kind of Jay Emperor thing when it has never been that at any juncture. Who's your POE pool?

It's been that way the entire game you madman lol. Look at the post counts.

[Guillotine]

I am a town mason and my partner can clear me at any time and i can clear my partner.
So i suggest to focus in other theories.

Is your partner in the following group: [Mac, Made, Allcrab, Martin]?

If the answer is yes say so now.

No