Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [ENDGAME]

[Esooa]

there is no reason for Made to be a lone wagon. Lettuce vote Alison together

it is date time. Give him a friend.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

there is no reason for Made to be a lone wagon. Lettuce vote Alison together

it is date time. Give him a friend.

I'm currently setting him with Mac. If you keep doing your thing and still feel suspicion of Alison as you catch up I will be open to it.

[Sloonei]

Guillo's perspective is wack to me but in a town indicative way

prob

Yep I’m convinced.
Jimmy!Scum TMI’s Nutella!Town
This is an obvious pocket for scum Jimmy.

Sorry, I can’t make our date tonight, Percy. I read this post and started throwing up.

Why?

I understand most individual words that yall are writing, but the context seems like it's a foreign language.

“Player A has a more confident read on Player B than I do, it must be TMI” is not an inspiring read.

hmm

JJJ, I get the feeling Sloonei would want to upholster a partners look in-thread when they first enter it. This is the opposite. So I think it's towny from Sloonei

Do you think so?

psst hey esooa i am mechanically confirmed town now

[Esooa]

there is no reason for Made to be a lone wagon. Lettuce vote Alison together

it is date time. Give him a friend.

I'm currently setting him with Mac. If you keep doing your thing and still feel suspicion of Alison as you catch up I will be open to it.

why do you think he is mafia

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think assuming Made is town is fine. I assume that too. No voting between a very close V/W wagon is honestly scum indivative.

if I was a vigilante I would have shot Made last night

Today in old posts that look like total bullshit

[JaggedJimmyJay]

there is no reason for Made to be a lone wagon. Lettuce vote Alison together

it is date time. Give him a friend.

I'm currently setting him with Mac. If you keep doing your thing and still feel suspicion of Alison as you catch up I will be open to it.

why do you think he is mafia

I can try to write up a more comprehensive case in a bit if I feel it is the most prudent way to occupy this thread. Generally: I think there's room to interpret his interactions with nutella as distancing, and his interactions with the other two dead mafia (Owner and Sonny/orangecrush) are at their worst when it matters most.

[Esooa]

you don't need to write a case or anything

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Interactions of Made and MacDougall

I'm ignoring Day 5 material.

From Made

Spoiler: show

Yeah, Nervous Dana is probably NAI, I'm looking for coached looking behavior from her slot

what if made is also mafia tho

shhhh i town read you for once, Let me have this

you are fake news

ight, riddle me this nerd: of the Syndicate powerhouses, who's your top scum read and why?

You know they say that all men are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Made and you can see that statement is not true. See, normally if you go one on one with another mafia player, you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But I'm a genetic freak and I'm not normal! So you got a 25%, AT BEST, at beat me. Then you add JaggedJimmyJay to the mix, your chances of winning drastic go down. See the 3 way at Sacrifice, you got a 33 1/3 chance of winning, but I, I got a 66 and 2/3 chance of winning, because JaggedJimmyJay KNOWS he can't beat me and he's not even gonna try!
So Made, you take your 33 1/3 chance, minus my 25% chance and you got an 8 1/3 chance of winning at Sacrifice. But then you take my 75% chance of winning, if we was to go one on one, and then add 66 2/3 per cents, I got 141 2/3 chance of winning at Sacrifice. See Made, the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you at Sacrifice.

[HUGE FANFIC SNIPPED]

"We are safe now, they fell to certain doom."
Mac and JJJ got out from the bush where they were cuddleing. "Thank you, you saved us all"
"Dont mention it."

So they left the tower and went home. They lived happily ever after and had lots of kids.
The End

[VOTE: Hawk] aubergine

Should we fill Made in on the details he's missing now?

I would very much enjoy that

don't do it sloo it's a trap

Hi! am I missing something big right now? and If so, how stupid do I look?

Well all of that is meaningless.

~~~

From MacDougall

Spoiler: show

whatever this is all dumb lets chop made

[VOTE: made] aubergine

whatever this is all dumb lets chop made

[VOTE: made] aubergine

Do you actually scum read Jay?

And why Made?

Kinda feels like deflection here.

no I don't scum read Jay

do you intend to accuse everyone who introduces a new suspect as deflecting from somewhere arbitrary?

Made sure did make a post.

did he? I didn't see it.

Made sure did make a post.

did he? I didn't see it.

He made two, one with a cheeky multiple choice question. I don't town read Made.

yay

I think assuming Made is town is fine. I assume that too. No voting between a very close V/W wagon is honestly scum indivative.

if I was a vigilante I would have shot Made last night

I am absolutely serious about this tunnel by the way. If anyone has a good reason why mafia aren't contained in [Belzy, Act, bad bunny, Owner], please speak up. I include Owner primarily for connections with bad bunny and nutella -- different reasons, but tangential.

I'm not opposed. I suppose this could explain why nutella felt like unenthusiastic? for lack of a better word because it would indicate that her team was unable to control the thread narrative.

This is confusing to me though because you would think that a mafia nutella would be able to survive easily enough if town Jay and Sloonei were pushing another direction. The logical answer being that Made (and maybe Owner) are mafia.

I think the main problem may be that neither Sloonei nor I were doing much pushing. We were vaguely pointing directions and seeing what people did. I think nutella knew she'd lost us, at least from the standpoint of getting a hard, fervent defense at EOD from my prior confusion at her wonky reception of suspicion and Sloonei's "not feisty enough". She even railed against him, which only resulted in he and I reading her worse. It's frankly a wonder Made got to 7/8 votes at all. I didn't expect that.

Surely there are wolves in the late made voters then

Surely there are wolves in the late made voters then

Owner could well be. I think the off-wagon votes are generally worse though.

If Owner is mafia do you think that has any implication on Bad Bunny or Made's alignment?

@JaggedJimmyJay
@Sloonei
@MacDougall

You 3, look at this as well.

Yeah man it's bad but like apparently the only Made voter that looks bad is Owner so talk to SloonimmyJay cuz they're just operating in lockstep and I feel like an emotional abuse victim.

@JaggedJimmyJay If nutella and Owner are both mafia then Made is a save.

What is a "save" in this sense?

I believe Made is a villager who was run up in order to protect nutella and Owner.

oh that makes more sense

@Owner of a Lonely Heart what made you make made when you could have made nutella?

Ehhhhhh

I think a significant amount of the player list tends more towards individual mafia play than the kind of organized team play you're accustomed to

what does this mean?

That the gamestate reads around owner you're making don't necessarily apply imo

yeah maybe but also maybe she's not mafia anyway because of maths and this game being a game of rng

Yeah, could be ig

Idk maybe you're right, where do you wanna go if not owner? I'll follow you for a bit

Seth seems pretty adamant he has a red check on Hawk.

Bad Bunny looks bad.

Sonny would be a death blow to the mafia if that were a hit.

I am not entirely sold on Made being a save either.

Yeah, Nervous Dana is probably NAI, I'm looking for coached looking behavior from her slot

what if made is also mafia tho

[VOTE: Actv] aubergine

Wtf...I literally didn’t do anything last night. Either you’re lying or you were given wrong information.

Who do you think killed kito?

it was made i seened him

[VOTE: Actv] aubergine

Wtf...I literally didn’t do anything last night. Either you’re lying or you were given wrong information.

Who do you think killed kito?

it was made i seened him

Should we yeet made?

lets ask jay

Yeah, Nervous Dana is probably NAI, I'm looking for coached looking behavior from her slot

what if made is also mafia tho

shhhh i town read you for once, Let me have this

you are fake news

ight, riddle me this nerd: of the Syndicate powerhouses, who's your top scum read and why?

next question

Also I think it's best that Long Con pass on to the next world. I appreciate you @Long Con, it's just about coming to a solve. If you can't be healed anyway then you can leave with the heroic reads I know you bear deep within.

Not a fan of this tbh

Jay is town noob

You know they say that all men are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Made and you can see that statement is not true. See, normally if you go one on one with another mafia player, you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But I'm a genetic freak and I'm not normal! So you got a 25%, AT BEST, at beat me. Then you add JaggedJimmyJay to the mix, your chances of winning drastic go down. See the 3 way at Sacrifice, you got a 33 1/3 chance of winning, but I, I got a 66 and 2/3 chance of winning, because JaggedJimmyJay KNOWS he can't beat me and he's not even gonna try!
So Made, you take your 33 1/3 chance, minus my 25% chance and you got an 8 1/3 chance of winning at Sacrifice. But then you take my 75% chance of winning, if we was to go one on one, and then add 66 2/3 per cents, I got 141 2/3 chance of winning at Sacrifice. See Made, the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you at Sacrifice.

Perhaps @ both. Easy mode answer would be mafia Made.

oh yeh

how bout made. what do we think of made?

wait wait wait wait wait, is there a reason we're not looking at Tangle???

Belzy desperado shot them and they died.

and that's a good look for her? doesn't that just mean Tangly has some sort of protections?

are you trying to get derp cleared?

That said, where is your head on Jay's 4 hit 3?

I have no idea what this means.

the scarecrow walks at midnight Jay

Should we fill Made in on the details he's missing now?

thats precisely what he wants you to do

Should we fill Made in on the details he's missing now?

I would very much enjoy that

don't do it sloo it's a trap

wait wait wait wait wait, is there a reason we're not looking at Tangle???

this is nearly signature worthy if you're mafia

Should we fill Made in on the details he's missing now?

I would very much enjoy that

don't do it sloo it's a trap

Hi! am I missing something big right now? and If so, how stupid do I look?

the only big thing you're missing is my...

Act maybe
Gnome maybe
Made maybe
OC maybe
Allcrab maybe
Martin ... no?
Lost Monkey no
Bad Bunny ... I kinda think we need to sheep Allcrab?

The POE is fine. If the game doesn't end once we kill all of them y'all can flip me first so I don't have to endure the paranoia party.

Which PoE? Can you list names?

Act, Allc, Gnome, Made etc.

Guillo is also my prime tinfoil subject based on how desperate and weird he gradually has become.

The poisoner is more or less could be anyone.

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Day wagons. If Made is a hit the only person voting for not mafia thats alive is Actv.

Gotta feel like she wouldn't leave herself vulnerable to such obvious stuff.

Doubt Made/Act are a team based on it.

Day wagons. If Made is a hit the only person voting for not mafia thats alive is Actv.

Gotta feel like she wouldn't leave herself vulnerable to such obvious stuff.

Doubt Made/Act are a team based on it.

If the team is Made/Act they can't afford to bus.

On day 1 can they afford not to?

I'm not going to do the pointed color coding since this is technically a pre-flip interaction. I still suggest reading/skimming the posts in the spoiler though to remind oneself of the interactions and form general impressions. I note a general trend: Mac's stance on Made is almost always negative -- there are a few votes for Made thrown in there too. I don't, however, get an impression that Mac is applying himself effortfully to remove Made from this game. While I wouldn't say this progression must be distancing, I have no difficulty in seeing it as distancing.

~~~

Conclusion

The objective here was less "are they mafia teammates?" and more "is there a reason for me to say they aren't?"

My answer to the latter question is no. I would be unsurprised if Mac and Made are both mafia. If I wanted I could build a case from this content to say they are both mafia. I will refrain, because it doesn't seem appropriate and would encourage confirmation bias.

[MacDougall]

go off kings and queens etc.

[MacDougall]

What a week.

Step 1 - Hospitalised with cellulitis and a cyst on my chin
Step 2 - Forced to move out of our house.
Step 3 - Tegan has a car accident.
Step 4 - Audrey's favourite pet rat dies.

Go easy universe.

[Esooa]

What a week.

Step 1 - Hospitalised with cellulitis and a cyst on my chin
Step 2 - Forced to move out of our house.
Step 3 - Tegan has a car accident.
Step 4 - Audrey's favourite pet rat dies.

Go easy universe.

step 5

scum read in cindy kate and percy mafia

[Esooa]

I hope ur oki though

[MacDougall]

But at least Esooa subbed into Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia to save the day. That's a plus.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Be well, Mac. That's the opposite of ideal.

[MacDougall]

What a week.

Step 1 - Hospitalised with cellulitis and a cyst on my chin
Step 2 - Forced to move out of our house.
Step 3 - Tegan has a car accident.
Step 4 - Audrey's favourite pet rat dies.

Go easy universe.

step 5

scum read in cindy kate and percy mafia

I guess I deserve it. I don't think my game makes sense to be scum as a whole but I have fallen behind at least one Mafia and the poisoner in the POE because of bad interactives.

[MacDougall]

Oh and I also got some snazzy cool bifocals.

[MacDougall]

I still think Made dies today and then who knows what happens with mech. I'm not super worried.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Lead theory:

Mafia -- Made and Mac
Poisoner -- Martin

Secondary theory:

Mafia -- Martin and Alison
Poisoner -- Made > Mac or Allcrab

TangyStarkPrime is a poisoner wild card that I cannot sort in the immediate present. Need question answered.

[MacDougall]

At what point past day 1 would I have needed to have effortfully tried to remove him from the game Jay? The game has been a set table since the Nutella flip. You are heavily confirmation biased and tunneling tbh. Esooa town reading me proves that. You're probably going to get your way though because the game has become complacent.

[MacDougall]

Your interactive analysis was a very critical angle on what realistically should be read as clearing as teammates imo.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

At what point past day 1 would I have needed to have effortfully tried to remove him from the game Jay? The game has been a set table since the Nutella flip. You are heavily confirmation biased and tunneling tbh. Esooa town reading me proves that. You're probably going to get your way though because the game has become complacent.

How does Esooa town reading you prove that I am tunneling? Connect A to B

You don't have to be mafia, but if you're not I need you to help me figure out who is instead of lamenting your fate to the clouds

[MacDougall]

At what point past day 1 would I have needed to have effortfully tried to remove him from the game Jay? The game has been a set table since the Nutella flip. You are heavily confirmation biased and tunneling tbh. Esooa town reading me proves that. You're probably going to get your way though because the game has become complacent.

How does Esooa town reading you prove that I am tunneling? Connect A to B

You don't have to be mafia, but if you're not I need you to help me figure out who is instead of lamenting your fate to the clouds

She is reading the same content and arriving to an entirely opposite conclusion. She is confirmed town. You quoted a plethora of my posts and just ignored the evidence that I am town in favour of perpetuating your tunnel.

[MacDougall]

That a confirmed town with no agenda to shield me can at least see room for doubt means that you by not introducing any are tunneling by definition.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

At what point past day 1 would I have needed to have effortfully tried to remove him from the game Jay? The game has been a set table since the Nutella flip. You are heavily confirmation biased and tunneling tbh. Esooa town reading me proves that. You're probably going to get your way though because the game has become complacent.

How does Esooa town reading you prove that I am tunneling? Connect A to B

You don't have to be mafia, but if you're not I need you to help me figure out who is instead of lamenting your fate to the clouds

She is reading the same content and arriving to an entirely opposite conclusion. She is confirmed town. You quoted a plethora of my posts and just ignored the evidence that I am town in favour of perpetuating your tunnel.

She isn't reading the same content, Mac. She is reading the first page of Day 1. Come on.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

first half*

[MacDougall]

She got to page 14... there's enough. You maybe should reread day 1 too then. In what universe is what I did a bus?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

She got to page 14... there's enough. You maybe should reread day 1 too then. In what universe is what I did a bus?

The one where nutella gave absolutely no shit about any of what you did.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

In what universe does MacDougall exonerate a player for volunteering to be shot?

[MacDougall]

You keep saying I can see nutella telling Mac to bus. Read her properly and tell me if you see someone happy with being bussed at the time I did. Reconcile that with the fact that Nutella and Owner both voted Made at eod. How does it make sense for Made and I to both be partners of the same Nutella who was apparently okay enough with being bussed by me but had her and her partner throw their votes on Made?

[MacDougall]

In what universe does MacDougall exonerate a player for volunteering to be shot?

That is utterly bullshit. I was asked a hypothetical why question and it was the only answer. It was a trustfall answer you derp.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You keep saying I can see nutella telling Mac to bus. Read her properly and tell me if you see someone happy with being bussed at the time I did. Reconcile that with the fact that Nutella and Owner both voted Made at eod. How does it make sense for Made and I to both be partners of the same Nutella who was apparently okay enough with being bussed by me but had her and her partner throw their votes on Made?

Made was nearly a zero poster and, if mafia, his destruction would earn them the same bus credit you'd otherwise earn without losing an active player in the process.

None of this is some impossible absurdity, and frankly I don't care. Stop talking to me about why you cannot be mafia. You can be mafia.

If you're not tell me who is. That's the only thing that matters.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Let me express how much I care about anyone volunteering or calling to be shot:

Dude there is such thing as context.

I find Guillo more suspicious for calling for it.
I find Orange mildly more townie.

It has everything to do with meta, how they are positioned and also your face.

[MacDougall]

Let me express how much I care about anyone volunteering or calling to be shot:

Dude there is such thing as context.

I find Guillo more suspicious for calling for it.
I find Orange mildly more townie.

It has everything to do with meta, how they are positioned and also your face.

Oh no Mac was wrong about who was scummier between Guillo and the new wolf who was fucking tunneling me.

I feel like a victim of enforced pragmatism.

[MacDougall]

Don't empty quote shit at me Jay it's dumb as fuck. Say what you feel.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The point of the quote was to show that your view wasn't merely a trustfall hypothetical.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I feel like a victim of enforced pragmatism.

Two+ mafia and a poisoner.

Alison
Allcrab
Garden Gnome
Guillosooa
JaggedJimmyJay
lost monkey
Made
MartinGG99
Nanook
Sloonei
TangyStarkPrime

[MacDougall]

I like nutella's posts. She's kinda tapering off in activity: right now it feels like the half-lazy I don't wanna say things kind of taper. I felt it a bit when I wanted cake.

Today in posts that look like past bullshit.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I like nutella's posts. She's kinda tapering off in activity: right now it feels like the half-lazy I don't wanna say things kind of taper. I felt it a bit when I wanted cake.

Today in posts that look like past bullshit.

Am I mafia?

[MacDougall]

Town reads to varying degrees

Tangrowth
nutella
Dana
Gavial
Guillotine
Nanook

Go ahead and stick Alison in there too, fack it m8

Why fuck it?

Jaylison mafia team. Why not?

[MacDougall]

I like nutella's posts. She's kinda tapering off in activity: right now it feels like the half-lazy I don't wanna say things kind of taper. I felt it a bit when I wanted cake.

Today in posts that look like past bullshit.

Am I mafia?

I am beginning to think so.

[Esooa]

Mac what do you think of Alison

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I like nutella's posts. She's kinda tapering off in activity: right now it feels like the half-lazy I don't wanna say things kind of taper. I felt it a bit when I wanted cake.

Today in posts that look like past bullshit.

Am I mafia?

I am beginning to think so.

You're the flail emoji.

[Sloonei]

Is Gnome also mafia?

[MacDougall]

I thought you were outed to nutella interactives d1 and probably you'd be dead if not for being vouched for. You are psuedo solving today. You have no actual evidence for me being a wolf and the way Alison sheeped your push when you were both townreading me before is heavily suspect.

I wonder how long Sloonei vouches for you til the tinfoil sets in.

[MacDougall]

Is Gnome also mafia?

I don't particularly have any reason to think you and her can't be 1t 1m or mafia/mafia frankly. What reason should I have?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I thought you were outed to nutella interactives d1 and probably you'd be dead if not for being vouched for. You are psuedo solving today. You have no actual evidence for me being a wolf and the way Alison sheeped your push when you were both townreading me before is heavily suspect.

I wonder how long Sloonei vouches for you til the tinfoil sets in.

You're not even considering mechanics. Cool story

[MacDougall]

I like nutella's posts. She's kinda tapering off in activity: right now it feels like the half-lazy I don't wanna say things kind of taper. I felt it a bit when I wanted cake.

Today in posts that look like past bullshit.

Am I mafia?

I am beginning to think so.

You're the flail emoji.

You try being in my position. You asked me to try to solve who the Mafia are. Clearly I am not going to convince you so shut up about it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You try being in my position. You asked me to try to solve who the Mafia are. Clearly I am not going to convince you so shut up about it.

Yes and you're giving me literally the only answer that cannot possibly help me.

[Sloonei]

I thought you were outed to nutella interactives d1 and probably you'd be dead if not for being vouched for. You are psuedo solving today. You have no actual evidence for me being a wolf and the way Alison sheeped your push when you were both townreading me before is heavily suspect.

I wonder how long Sloonei vouches for you til the tinfoil sets in.

[Vouching continues]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You have no actual evidence for me being a wolf

joke