Traitors for Exile

[KZA]

[VOTE: Auwt] aubergine

I see they resurfaced to vote the GOAT KGMurphy and I will not stand for it

Also like this slot has been skating by hard I feel and I'll try some pressure

Sure, but the vote by itself ain’t a whole lot of pressure Gengar.

Uh yeah I'm at work what else am I gonna do with no ISO links

[Creature]

Vote pressure won't really work atp, but there's a guilty pressure on any traitor (except anti-daycop maybe) so we should prob force them to post their reads.

[Wiml]

I confess I may have tunnelvision on Wisdom. I'm alarmed at Wisdom because her selfvote put her in a tie with 112 who was pretty much the chosen exile target and if the tie went in her favor it'd be 1/3 in traitor wincon.

What happened to it not really mattering if a traitor got exiled yesterday? If you truly believe that then I'm not shre why you also believe a traitor would effectively out themself to accomplish something you thought was worthless?

But anyway, Wisdom is definitely the sort of player to self vote like that as town (and probably only as town tbh given as they're surely aware of the attention it woykd being to them).

[KZA]

Self voting in exile is literally always pro wincon for both alignments so I don't really care if anyone does it

[KZA]

Well I guess not always but whatever I think NAI

[Wisdom]

Wisdom self voting is NAI for them at worst.

One could expect that Creature should be aware of this after playing with me far more than you have, but on the other hand I'm not that confident in meta reading him either.

[Wisdom]

Yes, I'm the cop and I have a redcheck.

But I'm not claiming it yet. I'd rather a solid amount of discussion unfold today before I say.

Check

[Creature]

I confess I may have tunnelvision on Wisdom. I'm alarmed at Wisdom because her selfvote put her in a tie with 112 who was pretty much the chosen exile target and if the tie went in her favor it'd be 1/3 in traitor wincon.

What happened to it not really mattering if a traitor got exiled yesterday? If you truly believe that then I'm not shre why you also believe a traitor would effectively out themself to accomplish something you thought was worthless?

It's still kinda iffy to go selfvoting and seems like more of a traitor thing than a town thing for the reasons I already said. An exile pretty much saves the traitor from being lynched the next day and opens space for more traitor selfvoting in exile.

[Creature]

Self voting in exile is literally always pro wincon for both alignments so I don't really care if anyone does it

Yes, but town can afford planning an exile in-thread instead of everyone just selfvoting. Hence why it's suspicious.

[Wisdom]

We still shouldn't selfvote in exile phase especially if we have the upper numbers here. We can collectively decide on an exile and vote accordingly instead of each one selfvoting. Only traitors have the incentive to selfvote here.

3 people wanted 112
2 people wanted me

In this situation the most pro town thing I could do was to make a 50% chance that a 100% town would be exiled. I still regret nothing.

Look at the numbers. You can't say that 3 out of 14 people makes 112 "consensus exile" while 2 people are also voting me.

[Wiml]

I confess I may have tunnelvision on Wisdom. I'm alarmed at Wisdom because her selfvote put her in a tie with 112 who was pretty much the chosen exile target and if the tie went in her favor it'd be 1/3 in traitor wincon.

What happened to it not really mattering if a traitor got exiled yesterday? If you truly believe that then I'm not shre why you also believe a traitor would effectively out themself to accomplish something you thought was worthless?

It's still kinda iffy to go selfvoting and seems like more of a traitor thing than a town thing for the reasons I already said. An exile pretty much saves the traitor from being lynched the next day and opens space for more traitor selfvoting in exile.

You might not agree with it as a strategy but like other people have said, it's pro-wincon as a strategy and probably just personality-indicative (or possibly even towny but giving it too much credit probably isn't a good precedent).

[Wisdom]

I think I can see Poison and Aiwt as traitors here mostly because they were both underwhelming this game and none of their posts struck as particularly town solving.

I think this is a good point.

[MissSparkles]

[VOTE: Auwt] aubergine

I see they resurfaced to vote the GOAT KGMurphy and I will not stand for it

Also like this slot has been skating by hard I feel and I'll try some pressure

Sure, but the vote by itself ain’t a whole lot of pressure Gengar.

Uh yeah I'm at work what else am I gonna do with no ISO links

If you’re dependent on ISOs to apply pressure then idk what to tell u.

Also click replies and the number next to the username and u should be ISO’ing.

However for now until I get around to it before day end. [VOTE: KZA] aubergine

[Wisdom]

I might be the first one to say Creature is probably town. He's firmly tunneled and our interactions aren't weird despite us disagreeing.

[KZA]

[VOTE: Auwt] aubergine

I see they resurfaced to vote the GOAT KGMurphy and I will not stand for it

Also like this slot has been skating by hard I feel and I'll try some pressure

Sure, but the vote by itself ain’t a whole lot of pressure Gengar.

Uh yeah I'm at work what else am I gonna do with no ISO links

If you’re dependent on ISOs to apply pressure then idk what to tell u.

Also click replies and the number next to the username and u should be ISO’ing.

However for now until I get around to it before day end. [VOTE: KZA] aubergine

"If you need someone's posts to apply pressure idk what to tell you"

Simply epic

Also I'm on mobile at work so no I can't click the reply number

[MissSparkles]

I can agree re: Poison.

The only they’ve done is mildly suspect your girl with no follow through, very on the fence, not sure if that’s just them but yea seems like a wolf unsure of another player maybe being a wolf then towny uncertainty.

[KZA]

Hey guys today I'm gonna be uhhh casing people without having access to their posts it's uhhh new strategy to our uhhh mafia game

[Creature]

I confess I may have tunnelvision on Wisdom. I'm alarmed at Wisdom because her selfvote put her in a tie with 112 who was pretty much the chosen exile target and if the tie went in her favor it'd be 1/3 in traitor wincon.

What happened to it not really mattering if a traitor got exiled yesterday? If you truly believe that then I'm not shre why you also believe a traitor would effectively out themself to accomplish something you thought was worthless?

It's still kinda iffy to go selfvoting and seems like more of a traitor thing than a town thing for the reasons I already said. An exile pretty much saves the traitor from being lynched the next day and opens space for more traitor selfvoting in exile.

You might not agree with it as a strategy but like other people have said, it's pro-wincon as a strategy and probably just personality-indicative (or possibly even towny but giving it too much credit probably isn't a good precedent).

Whatever, I don't plan to argue about it for too long. Still think we need to be more careful next exile phase because just like Wisdom could have gone for the 50% rand of going 100% town on her eyes, there's also the chance a traitor can go for the 50% rand of going to 100% traitor.

[MissSparkles]

[VOTE: Auwt] aubergine

I see they resurfaced to vote the GOAT KGMurphy and I will not stand for it

Also like this slot has been skating by hard I feel and I'll try some pressure

Sure, but the vote by itself ain’t a whole lot of pressure Gengar.

Uh yeah I'm at work what else am I gonna do with no ISO links

If you’re dependent on ISOs to apply pressure then idk what to tell u.

Also click replies and the number next to the username and u should be ISO’ing.

However for now until I get around to it before day end. [VOTE: KZA] aubergine

"If you need someone's posts to apply pressure idk what to tell you"

Simply epic

Also I'm on mobile at work so no I can't click the reply number

It’s called interacting with them, apparently because you’re on mobile that’s not a possibility for you, when in reality it’s much easier then ISO’ing peeps.

[Creature]

Last exile phase was a bit of a failure in planning tbh.

[Creature]

The thing we can do rn is keep trying to find town and narrow down the traitor options.

[MissSparkles]

Hey guys today I'm gonna be uhhh casing people without having access to their posts it's uhhh new strategy to our uhhh mafia game

Lol @ this, just LOL.

U mad i’m seeing through your excuses?

[MissSparkles]

I confess I may have tunnelvision on Wisdom. I'm alarmed at Wisdom because her selfvote put her in a tie with 112 who was pretty much the chosen exile target and if the tie went in her favor it'd be 1/3 in traitor wincon.

What happened to it not really mattering if a traitor got exiled yesterday? If you truly believe that then I'm not shre why you also believe a traitor would effectively out themself to accomplish something you thought was worthless?

It's still kinda iffy to go selfvoting and seems like more of a traitor thing than a town thing for the reasons I already said. An exile pretty much saves the traitor from being lynched the next day and opens space for more traitor selfvoting in exile.

You might not agree with it as a strategy but like other people have said, it's pro-wincon as a strategy and probably just personality-indicative (or possibly even towny but giving it too much credit probably isn't a good precedent).

Whatever, I don't plan to argue about it for too long. Still think we need to be more careful next exile phase because just like Wisdom could have gone for the 50% rand of going 100% town on her eyes, there's also the chance a traitor can go for the 50% rand of going to 100% traitor.

I agree especially since we’re allowing it. We need a 100% concensus next exile phase.

I mean 75% and up would be more accurate but you know what I mean.

[KZA]

Hey guys please show up for my lunch break so I can interact with you thanks

[KZA]

I propose we leave the red check alive and kill me first

[KZA]

Hey guys today I'm gonna be uhhh casing people without having access to their posts it's uhhh new strategy to our uhhh mafia game

Lol @ this, just LOL.

U mad i’m seeing through your excuses?

Yeah I'm not talking to you anymore

[MissSparkles]

You literally put a nothing vote down and called it pressure.

Then complained you couldn’t apply pressure because you can’t ISO then, just like maybe interact and apply pressure on someone who’s actually here instead and interact with whoever you’re garbage vote is currently on, instead of just calling you’re nothing vote pressure and complaining.

[MissSparkles]

Hey guys please show up for my lunch break so I can interact with you thanks

I mean you’re vote is just useless and calling it pressure when it’s anything but looks like an admission of guilt for someone who’s sole purpose is to look good and not actually catch any traitors

[MissSparkles]

Hey guys today I'm gonna be uhhh casing people without having access to their posts it's uhhh new strategy to our uhhh mafia game

Lol @ this, just LOL.

U mad i’m seeing through your excuses?

Yeah I'm not talking to you anymore

^^^mafia

[Creature]

I propose we leave the red check alive and kill me first

Okay then

[MissSparkles]

The I hope i’m the red check post feels like admission of guilt too.

Anyways, i’m gonna check Poison’s posts and see what I find.

[Creature]

I doubt we can get the wolfy players to post, but we can try to read each other who is currently active.

[MissSparkles]

Hey guys please show up for my lunch break so I can interact with you thanks

Show up after work?

Like excuses ain’t a proper defence. Maybe try u know defending yourself to accusations brought forth against u.

[MissSparkles]

I doubt we can get the wolfy players to post, but we can try to read each other who is currently active.

Exactly.

[MacDougall]

Falcon or Poison.

[Creature]

Falcon or Poison.

Yeah, guess I don't townread Falcon enough.

So I have Auwt/Falcon/Poison in my traitor pool. Need one more.

[falcon45ca]

Falcon or Poison.

Yeah, guess I don't townread Falcon enough.

So I have Auwt/Falcon/Poison in my traitor pool. Need one more.

Are you gonna sheep reads all game, or do you have any of your own? This coming up with a POE by committee reeks of a Traitor who's afraid to engage themselves and leaves it to others

[falcon45ca]

Falcon or Poison.

You spelt Mac wrong

[falcon45ca]

Falcon or Poison.

You spelt Mac wrong

[Creature]

Falcon or Poison.

Yeah, guess I don't townread Falcon enough.

So I have Auwt/Falcon/Poison in my traitor pool. Need one more.

Are you gonna sheep reads all game, or do you have any of your own? This coming up with a POE by committee reeks of a Traitor who's afraid to engage themselves and leaves it to others

Even sheeping sometimes requires knowing who exactly you are sheeping.

[falcon45ca]

This is what Mac listens to as he pulls the town's strings

[falcon45ca]

Falcon or Poison.

Yeah, guess I don't townread Falcon enough.

So I have Auwt/Falcon/Poison in my traitor pool. Need one more.

Are you gonna sheep reads all game, or do you have any of your own? This coming up with a POE by committee reeks of a Traitor who's afraid to engage themselves and leaves it to others

Even sheeping sometimes requires knowing who exactly you are sheeping.

This post almost says something, but then takes a sudden swerve into sometimes exactly

[Wiml]

This is what Mac listens to as he pulls the town's strings

I think the thing to remember here is that even if Mac is a lost wolf he doesn't actually know who his teammates are.

So if he's powerwolfing then he has to be actively making reads he knows are incorrect (or at least, ensuring a decent enough number of his team are skipped over).

Obviously you disagree with his read on you but how do you feel about the other players Mac is pushing? I think they're wolfy (Poison in particular). Do you think that there are any players who Mac is defending who are likely to be traitors? If so, who and why?

[Auwt]

[VOTE: Auwt] aubergine

I see they resurfaced to vote the GOAT KGMurphy and I will not stand for it

Also like this slot has been skating by hard I feel and I'll try some pressure

Are you townreading KGMurphy that much?
If so why?

[falcon45ca]

This is what Mac listens to as he pulls the town's strings

I think the thing to remember here is that even if Mac is a lost wolf he doesn't actually know who his teammates are.

So if he's powerwolfing then he has to be actively making reads he knows are incorrect (or at least, ensuring a decent enough number of his team are skipped over).

Obviously you disagree with his read on you but how do you feel about the other players Mac is pushing? I think they're wolfy (Poison in particular). Do you think that there are any players who Mac is defending who are likely to be traitors? If so, who and why?

He has to do no such thing. All he needs to do is play the game with Mac's fervor, and if his reads are wrong (he's already lynched a townie), then how is he to blame given how little info the town has to go on? He's making his reads without TMI, this game setup is a huge benefit as Lost Wolf for a player of Mac's ability.

[MissSparkles]

Falcon or Poison.

So the two players suspecting u (ithink?). I’d have to double check Poison’s posts though

[MissSparkles]

I don’t see Falcon scum reading Mac as traitor tbh.

Falcon Punch!

[MissSparkles]

If Mac is usually good at reading people especially.

I’m even gonna call Falcon town for it because based on what i’ve seen I don’t think he’d oppose Mac so much as he’s done in this game if he was a TRAITOR

[Wiml]

This is what Mac listens to as he pulls the town's strings

I think the thing to remember here is that even if Mac is a lost wolf he doesn't actually know who his teammates are.

So if he's powerwolfing then he has to be actively making reads he knows are incorrect (or at least, ensuring a decent enough number of his team are skipped over).

Obviously you disagree with his read on you but how do you feel about the other players Mac is pushing? I think they're wolfy (Poison in particular). Do you think that there are any players who Mac is defending who are likely to be traitors? If so, who and why?

He has to do no such thing. All he needs to do is play the game with Mac's fervor, and if his reads are wrong (he's already lynched a townie), then how is he to blame given how little info the town has to go on? He's making his reads without TMI, this game setup is a huge benefit as Lost Wolf for a player of Mac's ability.

Ok but... I don't think any player can just win this solo even before we factor in cop checks, especially not one with a reputation like Mac.

Why is he powerwolfing here and not just powertowning? What is he getting out of this? What direction is Mac pushing the thread in currently that you disagree with besides scumreading you, obviously?

All you're telling me so far is that Mac is being loud and pushing his reads but I don't get the conclusion of that being wolfy.

[falcon45ca]

This is what Mac listens to as he pulls the town's strings

I think the thing to remember here is that even if Mac is a lost wolf he doesn't actually know who his teammates are.

So if he's powerwolfing then he has to be actively making reads he knows are incorrect (or at least, ensuring a decent enough number of his team are skipped over).

Obviously you disagree with his read on you but how do you feel about the other players Mac is pushing? I think they're wolfy (Poison in particular). Do you think that there are any players who Mac is defending who are likely to be traitors? If so, who and why?

He has to do no such thing. All he needs to do is play the game with Mac's fervor, and if his reads are wrong (he's already lynched a townie), then how is he to blame given how little info the town has to go on? He's making his reads without TMI, this game setup is a huge benefit as Lost Wolf for a player of Mac's ability.

Ok but... I don't think any player can just win this solo even before we factor in cop checks, especially not one with a reputation like Mac.

Why is he powerwolfing here and not just powertowning? What is he getting out of this? What direction is Mac pushing the thread in currently that you disagree with besides scumreading you, obviously?

All you're telling me so far is that Mac is being loud and pushing his reads but I don't get the conclusion of that being wolfy.

Well for starters his towncore used to include both myself & Poison. He's flipped those reads, and I can say his read on me changed with no real thought fleshed out ITT, he said it was all the Page 6 Epiphany.


He outright lied about not knowing I was in the game. His read on Kaz also flipped with no real rhyme or reason, just more Page 6 which he has not explained at all, at least not that I've seen.

Had 112 previously as top town, but lists them in the mid range, and then pushes KG who has a whopping 13 posts cuz they're here for the memes? Go thru KG's ISO, see if that's the tone you get. Voted Cat, tho he says there's no reason to do so, kinda here by default as he put it.



Sorry, what has he done that's towny? Said we should keep a thread state that doesn't tolerate BS? Earth shattering revelation right there