The Fall of Númenor - Game Over!

[Gavial]

Like GTH I personally lean him more town but like I’m willing to here you out.

[Gavial]

Oh, wait, you wolf read Nanook. That's fine ig but I'd still say he's null. I think Gavial is scummy but I'd like to see some more of his scum games before saying that. Uhhh, Kami is whatever, Deli is pretty towny, Igno is towny

I have him on just above Marmot.
Nanook is Nanook for me which is Null and he was leftover so I threw him into the PoE.

[Gavial]

This will be the last small post I make before another wall post but ugh,
@Wiml
Regarding your post against me.
So it’s Page 18 that you think is faked?
That’s just a early random joke guess I usually do.

I mean I thought you were saying one of my other 2 looked fake which is a fair take but I assure you I said it from the heart!

Anyway, I’ll make sure my next post is another one of those big ones!

[Syn]

Ignormous calls me Hedgy
He also said I TR Nanook and SR Falcon despite that not really adding up to my solve.

she/they, not he

Aw crap my bad, force of habit.

But what do you think of them so far?

wall posts bad

falcon is so mafia

Yet clearly people don’t feel as strongly as you do.


Also, who would you VETO today if you had a choice. (Like someone who is usually mistakenly misread)

deli

[VOTE: deli] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Whats the happy haps

[Wiml]

This will be the last small post I make before another wall post but ugh,
@Wiml
Regarding your post against me.
So it’s Page 18 that you think is faked?
That’s just a early random joke guess I usually do.

I mean I thought you were saying one of my other 2 looked fake which is a fair take but I assure you I said it from the heart!

Anyway, I’ll make sure my next post is another one of those big ones!

Yeah, or more that it felt very awkward (liking making content to try to fit in without really putting any stock into the things you were saying).

I should be back around now to catch up anyway.

[ignoramus]

Ignormous calls me Hedgy
He also said I TR Nanook and SR Falcon despite that not really adding up to my solve.

..sorry, but when? From what I remember, *I* TR Nanook and SR Falcon. All I did was wonder why it seemed as if you had to look to find something that stands out in my post, which makes me go :sus:.

(also unrelated but I go by they/them only as of currently)

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

What kind of loser mod doesn't even put the poll in alphabetical order

Spoiler: show

@Urist

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Literally unplayable

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[VOTE: wiml] aubergine

[Wiml]

igno, would you be able to talk me through your falcon read please? Particularly how you went from GTH mafia originally but you seem to strongly SR them / are making associatives with them now? Are there any other reasons for this that you haven't mentioned yet?

[Wiml]

Wrt Creature, I think complaining about the low post cap multie times is towny. I can see a wolf complaining about it once or twice but when I'm seeing multiple complaints in the same vein I'm thinking this is a town who feels that their ability to solve has been impeded by the cap. A wolf I feel would care less about the cap at this stage given that it doesn't really impede their ability to push their goals because what wolf agenda are you unable to push because of the postcap at SoD1? But the big insistence on post cap being bad and every post must count makes me thing this is just a town feeling their solving is cramped by the cap.

[Wiml]

Random question: is there a way to make ISOs ascending by default?

[Wiml]

Pretty sure hollowkatt is town.

[Wiml]

Esooa focusing on meta reads is towny for her (regardless of the accuracy of the read) and probably not partnered with falcon. Doubt she comes in this way as a wolf.

Generally she's also pushing the game in a good direction and that's town-indicative of her. Agree with her takes on Deli (and also that she pointed out Deli as being somebody likely to get mistakenly misread is accurate and I +1 that).

[Esooa]

Esooa focusing on meta reads is towny for her (regardless of the accuracy of the read) and probably not partnered with falcon. Doubt she comes in this way as a wolf.

Generally she's also pushing the game in a good direction and that's town-indicative of her. Agree with her takes on Deli (and also that she pointed out Deli as being somebody likely to get mistakenly misread is accurate and I +1 that).

do you rly think that makes me town tho

[Wiml]

Esooa focusing on meta reads is towny for her (regardless of the accuracy of the read) and probably not partnered with falcon. Doubt she comes in this way as a wolf.

Generally she's also pushing the game in a good direction and that's town-indicative of her. Agree with her takes on Deli (and also that she pointed out Deli as being somebody likely to get mistakenly misread is accurate and I +1 that).

do you rly think that makes me town tho

The meta stuff? Yeah. Or at least, I think this is how you would approach this game as town (immediately coming in and making meta arguments) given how successful it was for you last time. I feel like if you were wolfing and wanted to use meta to case somebody then you'd be more likely to hold off until later in the Day and make a more exhaustive meta case to ensure whoever you're pushing becomes a serious wagon. Your efforts on falcon seem more like a genuine attempt to solve him than anything else so far.

The Deli stuff? Not really but I might as well point out that I agree while I'm going through your ISO.

You're clearly not out of your wolf range (I tend to read you with a lot of small stuff and that isn't really applicable yet this game) but I'm happy having you as a town lean currently.

[ignoramus]

igno, would you be able to talk me through your falcon read please? Particularly how you went from GTH mafia originally but you seem to strongly SR them / are making associatives with them now? Are there any other reasons for this that you haven't mentioned yet?

I'll try my best
I pretty much forgot about my read but if I read again I should be able to explain more

~~~~~

So I read through the thread again and currently these are my only reasons for wolf-reading them

Spoiler: show

No silent voting and no way to quickly get an accurate vote count in a hammer game, rip

MVP mindset right here folks.



C'mon Nook, look at the brightside...I'm town!



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So in this post, they're* already trying to pocket Nanook. I don't know them well enough to know whether or not this is NAI for them, but given my limited experience of mafia, unless these two are close a mafia would definitely prefer to pocket a town so that they got an honorary extra member.

Jesus Christ max 1 post per hour. Hopefully I don't run out of posts and patience before.

Probably means we gotta be quite efficient in our posts and try to settle quick somewhere.

Settle quick? Interesting approach w/ majority lynch, bit reckless don't ya think?

For this post, it's more like them trying to make Creature slow down/become more calm which makes me go :sus:. If Falcon is mafia and knows Creature and how he solves a lot, they would most likely try to make him slow down/lose WIM. This post (if and only if Wiml was the leading wagon) also tells me you're TMI town if Falcon flips red.

3rd.


Do I get a prize better than Bronze?


I'm Vanilla btw, it says so on my rolecard

Already claiming stuff like this first thing is Not Good
Like
I dunno if they do this a lot irregardless of alignment but gun to head this is a mafia making a claim they can fall back on when they need to

I've seen some mafia do this before and so when I see it I tend to go :sus:
I don't know how much more I can explain this ngl

No silent voting and no way to quickly get an accurate vote count in a hammer game, rip

MVP mindset right here folks.



C'mon Nook, look at the brightside...I'm town!



That's 1 down, help me find more

If Falcon flips red, which I think they will, Nanook top town

Lmao double-post

So TLDR: I don't have much reasons to SR Falcon but I SR them so strongly because of the fact I only have two SRs: Gavial and them.

[hollowkatt]

[Gavial]

Wall Post

Spoiler: show

Syn’s Favourite

Syn @Syn
So I know you had Deli in your scum list (and Falcon) but you haven’t really built on that much. It wasn’t until Esooa VETO’ed them that inspired you to vote Deli. Why is that?

Also, your response with “Wall Posts Bad” I was referring to Ignoramus not myself.

Wiml @Wiml
When you Re-entered the thread.
You never once mentioned me the person you are voting for.
No response, no case build, no reconsideration.
No nothing.
So is there anything else you’d like to say regarding my slot?

Ignoramus @ignoramus
Considering the fact you admit to WamL you lack reason to strongly SR Falcon and your only real strong scum read is me, a Willager.
Think you may want to re-eval your reads?

Nanook @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Hello mister Nanook!
It would appear you have no prior mention of WamL before you voted them. Did you perhaps do that because Syn changed their vote to Deli? Do you Town Read Deli or perhaps just SR WamL more?

Creature @Creature
Other then my pop out, is there any other reason you have your vote on me?

[ignoramus]

Wall Post

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Syn’s Favourite

Syn @Syn
So I know you had Deli in your scum list (and Falcon) but you haven’t really built on that much. It wasn’t until Esooa VETO’ed them that inspired you to vote Deli. Why is that?

Also, your response with “Wall Posts Bad” I was referring to Ignoramus not myself.

Wiml @Wiml
When you Re-entered the thread.
You never once mentioned me the person you are voting for.
No response, no case build, no reconsideration.
No nothing.
So is there anything else you’d like to say regarding my slot?

Ignoramus @ignoramus
Considering the fact you admit to WamL you lack reason to strongly SR Falcon and your only real strong scum read is me, a Willager.
Think you may want to re-eval your reads?

Nanook @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Hello mister Nanook!
It would appear you have no prior mention of WamL before you voted them. Did you perhaps do that because Syn changed their vote to Deli? Do you Town Read Deli or perhaps just SR WamL more?

Creature @Creature
Other then my pop out, is there any other reason you have your vote on me?

What I mean to say is: I only have TWO SRs, you and Falcon. That is why I SR both of you so strongly.
And no I will not re-evaluate, not unless I get other info from flips (mostly red, unless NK then I'll read all)
Anyway, goodnight! I should check how many hours till EOD before I can sleep peacefully
The downside of mafia

[Gavial]

Wanna know a fun fact?
I think Syn and Ignoramus are aligned and they aren’t town.

[Marmot]

Oh, wait, you wolf read Nanook. That's fine ig but I'd still say he's null. I think Gavial is scummy but I'd like to see some more of his scum games before saying that. Uhhh, Kami is whatever, Deli is pretty towny, Igno is towny

I have him on just above Marmot.
Nanook is Nanook for me which is Null and he was leftover so I threw him into the PoE.

I'm amazed anyone could have a read on me considering I haven't posted yet.

[Marmot]

Sorry three people.

Note to self for later. Creature, Falcon, Hollowkatt are town.

Which one of these did you initially forget and add later?

[Wiml]

@Gavial to clarify, I'm doing ISOs from lowest to highest poster and got distracted before I could do the top few posters.

[Wiml]

igno, would you be able to talk me through your falcon read please? Particularly how you went from GTH mafia originally but you seem to strongly SR them / are making associatives with them now? Are there any other reasons for this that you haven't mentioned yet?

I'll try my best
I pretty much forgot about my read but if I read again I should be able to explain more

~~~~~

So I read through the thread again and currently these are my only reasons for wolf-reading them

Spoiler: show

No silent voting and no way to quickly get an accurate vote count in a hammer game, rip

MVP mindset right here folks.



C'mon Nook, look at the brightside...I'm town!



That's 1 down, help me find more

So in this post, they're* already trying to pocket Nanook. I don't know them well enough to know whether or not this is NAI for them, but given my limited experience of mafia, unless these two are close a mafia would definitely prefer to pocket a town so that they got an honorary extra member.

Jesus Christ max 1 post per hour. Hopefully I don't run out of posts and patience before.

Probably means we gotta be quite efficient in our posts and try to settle quick somewhere.

Settle quick? Interesting approach w/ majority lynch, bit reckless don't ya think?

For this post, it's more like them trying to make Creature slow down/become more calm which makes me go :sus:. If Falcon is mafia and knows Creature and how he solves a lot, they would most likely try to make him slow down/lose WIM. This post (if and only if Wiml was the leading wagon) also tells me you're TMI town if Falcon flips red.

3rd.


Do I get a prize better than Bronze?


I'm Vanilla btw, it says so on my rolecard

Already claiming stuff like this first thing is Not Good
Like
I dunno if they do this a lot irregardless of alignment but gun to head this is a mafia making a claim they can fall back on when they need to

I've seen some mafia do this before and so when I see it I tend to go :sus:
I don't know how much more I can explain this ngl

No silent voting and no way to quickly get an accurate vote count in a hammer game, rip

MVP mindset right here folks.



C'mon Nook, look at the brightside...I'm town!



That's 1 down, help me find more

If Falcon flips red, which I think they will, Nanook top town

Lmao double-post

So TLDR: I don't have much reasons to SR Falcon but I SR them so strongly because of the fact I only have two SRs: Gavial and them.

Thanks for expanding!

The fact that you're putting thought into non-associatives if falcon flips eases the concerns I had about your interactions being w/w.

[Marmot]

Oh fuck, the post cap isn't lifted at EOD.

That means people might be silent-voting, which is not ideal. I'm a sad marmot.

I'm doing some ISOs at the moment, will have some reads to share soon.

@Gavial to clarify, I'm doing ISOs from lowest to highest poster and got distracted before I could do the top few posters.

Lol, I'm doing it in the exact same order, hopefully I don't make that mistake too

[Wiml]

Alright I've just reviewed the rules myself and something I noticed but

- Votes have to be cast in the thread but not on the poll.
- Tied vote = Sleep.

So if wagons are close please be careful about accidentally causing a tie for this reason (either somebody postcapped mistakenly thinking they can vote silently when they can't or someone not using the poll and vote counts getting muddled).

[Urist]

Vote Count 1.1

Wiml (2) - MacDougall, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Deli (2) - hollowkatt, Syn
Gavial (2) - Wiml, Creature
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (1) - Kami
falcon45ca (1) - Esooa
Syn (1) - Gavial

Not Voting (4) - Marmot, falcon45ca, Deli, ignoramus



Current Post Counts

hollowkatt - 22
Gavial - 21
falcon45ca - 20
Wiml - 20
Syn - 17
Esooa - 16
Deli - 13
Kami - 12
Creature - 11
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - 8
ignoramus - 7
MacDougall - 4
Marmot - 3

[Marmot]

Alright I've just reviewed the rules myself and something I noticed but

- Votes have to be cast in the thread but not on the poll.
- Tied vote = Sleep.

So if wagons are close please be careful about accidentally causing a tie for this reason (either somebody postcapped mistakenly thinking they can vote silently when they can't or someone not using the poll and vote counts getting muddled).

Ugh, that's even worse, so if we're post-capped, we can't change our vote.

Alright, that's something to play around.

[falcon45ca]

Ignoramuss's scum read on me is so wrong it prolly means he's town

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: VOTE DELI] aubergine


Sheeping HK, I see no reason not to ATM

[Marmot]

Observations thus far on players from reading their ISOs

Deli - Some of their posts are nuanced enough that I believe they come from town, specifically their esooa read. Additionally, it seems a number of people scumread Deli for defending Wiml early on, but that looks NAI to me. No issues there.

Kami - Short posts, but they seem very unafraid in tossing reads out there. It's a townlean for now, one I'll likely reconsider later or on future days.

Esooa - I like esooa's more recent posts more than her earlier ones. I think her agreement with Mac is very lacking, mainly because Mac provided 0 context for his reads, so agreeing with them is a big meh. But she seems to be making her own reads, including calling falcon mafia (which is actually not what Mac called him lol)

hollowbutt - I was torn on this one. On one hand, his posts look like ones he could believe in (I'm looking particularly at his argument with Deli about Deli's defense of Wiml). But this suspicion seems a little silly to me. Meta read on HK (yes I'm using a meta read, take that), in his last two wolf games, HK has created a heavy distancing with a partner on Day 1 (Invictus in Bluey Mafia, and Seanzie in Beelzebub). Wiml's reaction makes them look not paired based on HK's recent scum strategies, so I believe they are not W/W, but they could be any other combo. I'm going to give HK a slight townlean for now, mainly because I'm not ready to yeet him.

Wiml - I'm in agreement with a lot of others on this slot. His entrance into the game isn't very good, particular his comments about Gavial. That said, Wiml has a redeeming factor in that he's continued playing the game in a manner that seems unperturbed by the pressure, which I think is a mildly good look.

Syn - I don't recall a game where I was town and Syn was also playing (and he didn't sub in after I died), thus I can't recall a time where I've had to make an uninformed read on Syn. I'm not seeing anything yet that makes me townread him. GTH, mafia, but that's more to lack of readable content than to anything specifically scummy.

Nanook - Not out of his townrange or scumrange right now. Will reconsider on a future day.

ignoramus - Most of their ISO is fine, with the exception of this post. @ignoramus is there a reason you feel the need to force a scum read due to having a lack of them?

MacDougall - 0 scumreads so far. 2 3 townreads. Mac having 0 stated scumreads 24 hours into the day is a concern. He has made a vote, but it was a naked vote. Not a townread right now (but he could just be lazy).

Creature - One thing I really dislike about Creature thus far is their post saying ""I think I townread..." and two posts later saying "I currently feel fairly good". I have 2 issues here. 1) Creature uses two adverbs to describe the second opinion. 2) Nothing really happened to support such a confidence change. I don't mind a bunch of townreads early, but I see this a means of doubling down when being questioned about it since the reads began as soft ones.



I unfortunately have to run, so I'll get to Gavial and falcon later, but I'm going to drop a vote on Creature for now.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

[Marmot]

>be lock town
>be at the bottom of HK's town list

feels bad man

order is unimportant. what is important is you're town, so take that to heart and go find me a wolf to kill that isn't Wiml

falcon and deli

you're welcome

I'm already on deli for their incredibly weak defense of wiml in the face of what is clearly an RVS wagon

@hollowkatt I'd like to hear your take on falcon, what you think of him sheeping you, and also why you didn't dispute Syn calling him a wolf here (despite you having a townread of him)

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[VOTE: creature] aubergine

[Wiml]

I'm surprised nobody picked it up after I strongly suggested it earlier but my entrance was on purpose lol. I wanted to see how people would react if I did something very uncharacteristic mostly, given that I don't usually consider myself a miselim risk in these sorts of games.


I think hk/Deli had towny reactions to it. Syn maybe(???) but I'm not sure.

[hollowkatt]

>be lock town
>be at the bottom of HK's town list

feels bad man

order is unimportant. what is important is you're town, so take that to heart and go find me a wolf to kill that isn't Wiml

falcon and deli

you're welcome

I'm already on deli for their incredibly weak defense of wiml in the face of what is clearly an RVS wagon

@hollowkatt I'd like to hear your take on falcon, what you think of him sheeping you, and also why you didn't dispute Syn calling him a wolf here (despite you having a townread of him)

falcon sheeping me is twtbaw. I didn't argue with Syn b/c I think Syn is town, so him calling falcon a wolf isn't syn trying to chop town, it's syn throwing out who he thinks is a wolf. There's room to disagree

[Wiml]

I have some thoughts on gavial but I'm struggling to parse how much of it is personality indicative.

@Gavial would you mind linking merecent games where you're town and scum that you think are representative of your play?

[Wiml]

[vimeo][/vimeo]

Wanna know a fun fact?
I think Syn and Ignoramus are aligned and they aren’t town.

Please explain this in detail!

[Creature]

Aw man I overslept again and mobileposting is quite difficult when I'm trying to save up posts. I think I'll look from the beginning and hope I don't run out of posts while catching up.

[Creature]

3rd.


Do I get a prize better than Bronze?


I'm Vanilla btw, it says so on my rolecard

I find this post pretty towny for Falcon ftr.

[Creature]

creature sus, nook sus, falcon not sus, urist definitely sus

I can kind of see town have these thoughts especially on Nanook and Falcon.

Sorry three people.

Note to self for later. Creature, Falcon, Hollowkatt are town.

I also sheeped Mac here.

[Syn]

Syn @Syn
So I know you had Deli in your scum list (and Falcon) but you haven’t really built on that much. It wasn’t until Esooa VETO’ed them that inspired you to vote Deli. Why is that?

because I'm a wolf

[Syn]

Wanna know a fun fact?
I think Syn and Ignoramus are aligned and they aren’t town.

see

gavial even caught me

[Creature]

I think I can townread Falcon, Wiml, hollowkatt, Syn and Deli. The rest I don't know.

I think I might have been too quick to townread Wiml and Deli here although I thought they had town energy prior to this post. Syn at least I could relate to their posts and so it was easier for me to townread them.

[Syn]

[VOTE: wiml] aubergine

[Creature]

Deli/Esooa probably town will explain tomorrow but tired.

I think I should be able to better read them D2 or D3, hence I wouldn't go for them today. Wiml also seems fine so far.

[Creature]

3rd.


Do I get a prize better than Bronze?


I'm Vanilla btw, it says so on my rolecard

Already claiming stuff like this first thing is Not Good
Like
I dunno if they do this a lot irregardless of alignment but gun to head this is a mafia making a claim they can fall back on when they need to

I disagree with the last sentence.

Moment I realize this game has a 50 post cap....
Reeeeeeeee
That won’t stop me!!

Gun to head feels like someone spamming posts early so that they have less posts later on so they can't spew/say as much
Very useful especially if as wolf they have a hard time controlling what they say

Looks NAI imo.

creature/nook lock wolves tbh

???
How? Can't read Creature very well but I don't see Nanook being one

Why do you townread Nanook?

[Creature]

Good morning, folks!

I solemnly vow to hammer any wagon on any day

for the memes, you see

I volunteer as tribute!

It me, oof now I see why this kinda thing is annoying but it is towny af

Not vibing w/ Esooa and wiml pocket attempts— idk Esooa null for me rn I’m trying not to tunnel again >.<

Slow game is slow, idk this is tough for a spammer like me. When do things pick up??

Meh, this looks town!Deli.

town
creature
wiml
esooa
falcon
mac
nanook
igno
syn



wolf
gavial
deli
kami

not posting
marmot

Why the townreads on Mac, Nanook and ignoramus?

no about literally anything in the thread

Yeah, Creature has way too many players in his town list

does that make him mafia?

I don't know, we'd have to flip him and see

Sure, but that would mean wolves will be one mislynch closer to their wincon so let's not.

[falcon45ca]

@Creature What's your scum read on Nook?