Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [ENDGAME]

[Allcrab]

Jay refresh my memory if we lynched gnome do you die or is it only if gnome is NKed no exceptions?

[Allcrab]

Jay refresh my memory if we lynched gnome do you die or is it only if gnome is NKed no exceptions?

Also I assume it works vice-versa and if you were NKed that gnome would die? Sorry if this was all said already I just wanna be 100% clear on it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay refresh my memory if we lynched gnome do you die or is it only if gnome is NKed no exceptions?

If both of us activate, we become lovers. Only then would we die simultaneously, and only during night phases. Day voting and poison don't apply.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay refresh my memory if we lynched gnome do you die or is it only if gnome is NKed no exceptions?

Also I assume it works vice-versa and if you were NKed that gnome would die? Sorry if this was all said already I just wanna be 100% clear on it.

Yes, same business either way.

[Allcrab]

Jay refresh my memory if we lynched gnome do you die or is it only if gnome is NKed no exceptions?

Also I assume it works vice-versa and if you were NKed that gnome would die? Sorry if this was all said already I just wanna be 100% clear on it.

Yes, same business either way.

okay that could explain why you're not dead cuz that has been bothering me because normally someone who's been playing as you have woulda died a while ago which leads me to two possibilities.

1. Gnome is a wolf and they can't kill you cuz it risks wolf!gnome dying

2. There is one very active wolf that needs to hide among high posting villagers which ofc is the possibility that leads to Mac. Technically it could fit Alison too but they could just kill you for a possible 2 for 1 and let Mac take over as highest poster and kinda skate by I think.

Bonus option 3 that is pure tinfoil that I don't believe at all. It sloonei and he shot a teammate to clear themselves, this is like 2% chance of being it but I did see something like that happen once in another game and I'm always super paranoid about it now lol granted I don't think sloonei is the type to make a play like that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

HI friends, sorry for missing yesterday, i got my start of day/end of days dates twisted. Before I waste my time in iso hell, is Allcrab cleared for any reason? I see they claimed on day 2 and alison didn't buy it, but then they got a red check on owner.

If we believe Made genuinely was not caught up with the game and didn't know what was going on (which I kind of buy), then Allcrab probably isn't his teammate given this post. The mafia knew the red check on Owner was adversarial, and if Made thought it even could be Allcrab instead of Seanzie, then Allcrab is just as opposed to them as Seanzie was.

Take the wifom as you will.

[lost monkey]

Leaning towards Alison being scum rather than Mac. I will vote Mac though if he doesn't claim.

Any reason in particular?

I don't think you would hardbus as scum.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Leaning towards Alison being scum rather than Mac. I will vote Mac though if he doesn't claim.

Any reason in particular?

I don't think you would hardbus as scum.

Why wouldn't he? Would Alison?

[lost monkey]

Leaning towards Alison being scum rather than Mac. I will vote Mac though if he doesn't claim.

Any reason in particular?

I don't think you would hardbus as scum.

Why wouldn't he? Would Alison?

Just played a game with him as scum, he had lot of chances to hardbus me but he didn't. Alison i have no idea.

[Allcrab]

Leaning towards Alison being scum rather than Mac. I will vote Mac though if he doesn't claim.

Any reason in particular?

I don't think you would hardbus as scum.

On the topic of this Mac hasn't been on a major wagon since d2 so the whole Mac hellbussing thing isn't strictly true.

I have to check if they advocated for Orange being shot because if they didn't then I buy that narrative even less than I already do.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Alison, you haven't said a lot, at least not lately, about the notion that you have bussed your team straight into the burning hells. How do you feel about that assertion and/or what do you think of it?

[Alison]

Mac has contributed broadly to pressure on wolves and suspected Made and Sonny early. He did argue for orange to be spared because he thought them asking to be shot was townie.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have to check if they advocated for Orange being shot because if they didn't then I buy that narrative even less than I already do.

Nope lol

Mac defended OC on the basis of his "request" to be shot. Mac isn't one to gobble up wifom like that, and it's the most glaring red flag in his ISO for me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I would only say Mac bussed nutella. No other mafia flip would qualify as bussing from Mac.

[lost monkey]

Allcrab and LoMo can confirm my role in coordination I think.

For instance. Allcrab targets whomever. Force me to target them to. LoMo also watches them. If I target them they together will get a full watch result. If I don't target the player or one of those two dies then I am outed.

I have no one shots remaining, i am just a VT now.

[Alison]

@Alison, you haven't said a lot, at least not lately, about the notion that you have bussed your team straight into the burning hells. How do you feel about that assertion and/or what do you think of it?

I don't have much to say about it other than "I didn't do it". I'm not a fan of hellbussing everyone in closed setups because you can get fucked by mech, but I suspect a lot of the people accusing me of bussing are doing so because I've gotten some memorable victories as mafia by bussing lately.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

no plz

[TonyStarkPrime]

I get a vague impression from Gnome in the night phase that she was surprised to be alive. It's not super clear though.

I currently don’t buy it but idk. Very WIFOM. I don’t know GG, so it’s hard for me to really gauge how they would post in that position. But I do know that if I were about to /not/ die from poison I would make it very clear that I thought that I was going to die from poison.

[lost monkey]

I would only say Mac bussed nutella. No other mafia flip would qualify as bussing from Mac.

I am talking only about the nutella thing.

[TonyStarkPrime]

when does it become appropriate to mass claim? i ask this as i stare at the two people left who have not claimed.

Pretty sure it’s just me

[TonyStarkPrime]

1. TSP implies I have TMI on who was poisoned
2. TSP later implies Nanook was the likely poison

Someone explain to me how TSP as a villager is able to figure out Nanook was the likely poison independently but when I imply it in my post it's TMI. Ftr I don't think it's a hard thing to figure out that Nanook was the likely poison and I think TSP knows this which means TSP was purposefully shading on grounds he should know don't make sense.

Am I wrong here?

You didn’t just imply it

[Allcrab]

I have to check if they advocated for Orange being shot because if they didn't then I buy that narrative even less than I already do.

Nope lol

Mac defended OC on the basis of his "request" to be shot. Mac isn't one to gobble up wifom like that, and it's the most glaring red flag in his ISO for me.

I mean then they bussed no more than like sonny did going by VCs.

Like yes they do have good moments here and there but there's a difference between calling someone wolf and actually advocating for their lynch, Mac has a decent bit of the former but not much of the latter.

[Alison]

TSP not claiming probably proves he is evil.

[MacDougall]

If I started the game bussing Nutella on a day where 3 mafia were wagons to what end is there to not just ruthlessly bus the rest?

[lost monkey]

Perhaps the worst thing going for Allcrab is that his role is probably the most powerful remaining in the game, has been pseudo-public for over half of it, and he's still here.

Hard to trace that reasoning too far with so many other people that theoretically "should" be dead. At a certain point that becomes deliberate strategy I think, and it's one I have employed as mafia before -- harder for people to freak out that I am still alive when [insert perceived high clout player(s)] are also still alive. This post might be worthless. I am thinking aloud and want the thread alive.

Probably because he is in everyone's POE except mine.

[Allcrab]

1. TSP implies I have TMI on who was poisoned
2. TSP later implies Nanook was the likely poison

Someone explain to me how TSP as a villager is able to figure out Nanook was the likely poison independently but when I imply it in my post it's TMI. Ftr I don't think it's a hard thing to figure out that Nanook was the likely poison and I think TSP knows this which means TSP was purposefully shading on grounds he should know don't make sense.

Am I wrong here?

You didn’t just imply it

lol plz dig the hole deeper, I can't wait to hear this.

[MacDougall]

Y'all can get there I believe in you.

[TonyStarkPrime]

TSP not claiming probably proves he is evil.

if I were bad I would have claimed something right away and if you cite the one time where I didn’t I’ll point out that I had to deal with the fact that I was role copped and my wolf team had taken all of my fake claims

[Allcrab]

Perhaps the worst thing going for Allcrab is that his role is probably the most powerful remaining in the game, has been pseudo-public for over half of it, and he's still here.

Hard to trace that reasoning too far with so many other people that theoretically "should" be dead. At a certain point that becomes deliberate strategy I think, and it's one I have employed as mafia before -- harder for people to freak out that I am still alive when [insert perceived high clout player(s)] are also still alive. This post might be worthless. I am thinking aloud and want the thread alive.

Probably because he is in everyone's POE except mine.

Also barring you or gnome being wolf my role is literally just confirming syn players make up the rest of the not village factions which is overwhelmingly likely anyway.

[MacDougall]

I have to check if they advocated for Orange being shot because if they didn't then I buy that narrative even less than I already do.

Nope lol

Mac defended OC on the basis of his "request" to be shot. Mac isn't one to gobble up wifom like that, and it's the most glaring red flag in his ISO for me.

You keep mentioning this. I didn't defend them. You asked me for a reason to town read them and it was all I could come up with. Please stop bringing it up like it was earnest.

[MartinGG99]

Hypothetically speaking...

Poisoner is 3p (or town I guess). They poison scum Alison. Martin the Mafia poisoner heals scum teammate.

That's the only world in which Martin is mafia I think? I don't think he fake claimed the heal.

the problem with that theory is that it involves scum alison razing her own team to the ground to go deep, then chaining herself to her mech outed scum buddy, and then committing to an incredibly tight POE that will be obviously refuted if it is full of shit thus making her no longer deep and leaving her in a position of having killed 2 teammates for nothing.

How would you have played getting poisoned n1 as scum with a healer teammate after bussing?

How would you have played getting poisoned n1 as scum with a healer teammate after bussing?

probably similar to modern family, bus d1 and then float through the rest of the game on the cred from that largely pushing town.

the bus everyone and go super deep strat is worse in closed role madness because you can easily get screwed by mech, and it is also worse when there is a 3P poisoner who could be lobbing shots at the most trusted townies. plus because my mafia teammates can now die in the night, if I bus too hard it risks getting my whole team decimated.

I think you missed the key part of the question?

Which part

You get poisoned n1. You have a poisoner teammate. What do you do?

My point is that I am not entirely sure your objection isn't just a description of what you'd do after you bus.

i just said. I'd try to push townies and float through the game.

with a rogue killer in the game I can't afford to bus.

So you are saying you wouldn't have played day 2 the way you did?

Thats reasonable tbh.

I don't think !Wolf Mac here needs to do this world-building + interaction on D4, though I haven't taken a holistic picture of his D4 activities. I think it looks good if this isn't the only thing he was doing on D4, which I suspect he was doing other things given post-count.

Apparently if you try to do a quote chain (i.e. a quote of a post with a quote that also has a quote...and so on) beyond 7 posts the website auto-cuts it down. Hence the two blocks of quote above. I thought I had ran into a bug for like the past half-hour when it seemed like my quote was getting messed up lol.

I didn't find anything else noteworthy to me that mentioned Alison + Me in the same post.

Tbh it makes sense to heal Alison. I have no issue with it.

I am curious if the person who chose the n1 poison did so anticipating the heal tho. I think they chose a target that was always drawing a heal and subsequent targets are players who are not likely to. So there is a chance the n1 poison was made knowing it wouldn't work. Then one asks why?

If the poisoner wanted to kill why target someone who draws heals and looks super townie off day 1 play? Either they had no idea they'd be prevented, or they did so to bait as many heals as they could, or they did so specifically to make Alison look good.

Could be potential 3P hinting if we think both 3P and Mafia are in Mac/Alison. I'm far from sold though as I expect this to be part of natural conversation at some point.

Mac you should answer Sloonei's question about my alignment.

I missed that one where is it what is it etc.

His question is "what is Alison's alignment?"

I think ur town. I've got no spooky feelings toward u yet. You give me the positive juju.

Seems like a "good enough" D1 town read. I don't expect much different from my FM experience.

I think assuming Made is town is fine. I assume that too. No voting between a very close V/W wagon is honestly scum indivative.

if I was a vigilante I would have shot Made last night

For what? nutella was in danger and he got flash wagoned.

I have a kill counterwagons policy as a vigi since I saw Rich lay waste to an entire wolf team doing it. Solving every wagon is apex level vig play because it gives town immense information.

Interesting D2 quote. Despite the differences on what-to-do-with-made, I feel like this is in-line with the D1 read of Alison. Doesn't feel shady and rather more commentary/coversational with a town-read. Also I think its a bit of a good look wrt to Mac/Made stuff. Referring to policy rather than any individual suspicion of Made doesn't do much for town-credit off of bussing I would think.

I am mindful of the fact that if there is even 1 mafia between Jay, Sloonei and Alison that once the two of the three that aren't that mafia and I die that person is probably just going to win, and I am very conflicted as to why the three of them are choosing to walk that path, particularly Alison, given Jay and Sloonei both acted in defense of Nutella in the most literal way and Jay in particular was present during Nutella wifom hours mopping up anti spew cred.

I think there's a good chance both of them are town and I don't believe in D2 tinfoil.

The problem is that with Jay it's not fucking tinfoil he has bad interactives with Nutella and ended up off wagon. People like you saying that it is tinfoil makes me want to tinfoil YOU.

I am not sure why this is so hard for people to grasp. Jay has not cleared himself by his own metrics and admission so the fact that he of all people is catching easy "jay is town lol" from good analytics players is insanely weird.

Early cautionary tinfoil. I probably wouldn't town-read at the time for potential discrediting concerns, but I believe in hindsight the mention of this being "weird" looks slightly good. Mac, as I've heard, is a capable player and if he wants to discredit here I feel that he is capable of more than just calling it weird; much less than just saying "he's not cleared" rather than putting active scum-reads/suspicion.

Owner is not playing like someone without active teammates operating in a POE clamped state is what I am trying to articulate. They are playing like a detached town that has found themselves friendless. And I intend to be that friend.

~~~Soon Later~~~

alright fine if Alison and Nanook agree then i guess the correct thing to do is just shut the fuck up and let this day gently roll downhill to it's natural outcome

Not sold if this a good response to the Owner wagon though. Seems preety blatant though.

I suspected Alison Day 1 and then she was poisoned and I tossed my suspicion out the window, but now I am beginning to feel like the poisoner is a third party role.

Alison is townier than you, Guillo, Jay and Nanook.

Act, Gnome, Made, and OC seem to form my premier suspect tier. Allcrab, bad bunny, lost monkey, and MartinGG99 would have to round out whoever's missing. This doesn't take any third party into consideration.

Are at least three mafia not contained above? I ask whoever cares to ponder.

The reason I ask this question is this:

Allcrab, lost monkey, and Martin all look town to me at face value. If I give Allcrab the nod, then I am generally inclined to do the same bad bunny given Allcrab's view.

If all of the above is correct, I need three mafia within [Act, Gnome, Made, and OC] or something has to be incorrect. It could be that three mafia are in that set if we're very fortuitous. These reads aren't without controversy though, especially if your name is Nanook.

What's the best reason to town read Alison?

She has good reads that make sense. She's promoting a healthy thread state.

Interesting. Nothing really happens D2-early D4 with handling of Alison. Can't say I would complain though; I think many people tuned out a bit on D3 when we set out positions on who was mafia in the healer vs. healer conflict. He also had Hawk as scummy on D2, so that makes a bit more sense to me. But I may be biased in applying myself & what I would probably do here.

So, in sum, as I see it: Mac was mostly town-reading Alison except for possibly early D2 until D4 where Hawk flipped town and I could've been mafia healer.

I don't see a whole lot of difference compared to Alison's view/handling of Mac except I think Alison held out on Mac being very town longer than Mac did on Alison being very town.

It feels as though I am often inherently tied to his view of Alison at times though:

Come to think of the poisoner is Martin.

claim weird... healer bait.... kinda weird posts but scum solving so getting Alison meta solve.

Yeah its just him.

I don’t think duplicate claims are a great reason for a chop. That’s casing the hosts.

I think it's pretty obvious Martin isn't a healer lol.

I hardly see any interest in my slot before D4.

I feel like I have a clearer picture of things. Mac does feel more natural but I think it would be disingenuous of me to suggest that without realizing potential bias and that Alison/Mac are two different people with two different posting styles as well as manners of hunting.

I also feel like demilitarized zone for lack of reading conflict between the two up until D4/D5.

The defining point I get from this though is that while I can understand a decent explanation of "Oh Martin can be used to meta-read Alison", there isn't necessarily the same excuse (fmpov) for Alison to not check on that Mac read occasionally. Like Mac did once at early D2-ish based on JJJ clearance. The best thing I can imagine for Alison though is what I had learned about Alison from that Beesparado game; she doesn't really check for bussers until the options for non-bussing scum are very low probability or just simply gone.

I think I'm sorta stuck on this though. I don't know how confident Alison always town-reads me. I never really effectively "bussed" a wolf if I'm mafia here. I could've been entertained as mafia on or after D3. But I wasn't really.

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Yeah after reviewing both Mac/Alison ISO's and pointlessly staring for awhile I can't really say for certain who's the scum. I'm leaning Alison a bit. Though I need to look at other factors that I can trust instead of just Martin/other player handling.

Interesting side-note though, apparently Alison thought both I and Mac were spewed Town by OC/Sonny on D4.

[MacDougall]

TSP not claiming probably proves he is evil.

if I were bad I would have claimed something right away and if you cite the one time where I didn’t I’ll point out that I had to deal with the fact that I was role copped and my wolf team had taken all of my fake claims

Then just real claim.

[MartinGG99]

Sorry. That's a whole bunch of stream of mumbo jumbo.

I was looking at multiple things so it may be a bit difficult to follow.

[Alison]

TSP not claiming probably proves he is evil.

if I were bad I would have claimed something right away and if you cite the one time where I didn’t I’ll point out that I had to deal with the fact that I was role copped and my wolf team had taken all of my fake claims

You slowrolled a claim in both mysterious universe and fallout 2

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Interactions of Made and Allcrab

From Made

Spoiler: show

I don't understand Allison's logic regarding...most things.....

I don't know that that makes them wolf or I legitimately just don't understand it. The Act thing in particular feels the most reachy to me.

made goes blue again, this time in fear

where aren’t you able to follow her? Her logic is rarely wrong, convenient and self serving as scum, but rarely outright wrong

Thinking act is outed from that first post is one of the silliest things I've ever read.

I don’t. What exactly was the thing that looped ACT tho?

wait wait wait wait wait, is there a reason we're not looking at Tangle???

Belzy desperado shot them and they died.

and that's a good look for her? doesn't that just mean Tangly has some sort of protections?

HI friends, sorry for missing yesterday, i got my start of day/end of days dates twisted. Before I waste my time in iso hell, is Allcrab cleared for any reason? I see they claimed on day 2 and alison didn't buy it, but then they got a red check on owner.

Let's just vote Made to be honest.

Like what even is the mafia team if Made is town? Is it Mac + Guillo? Is it [Mac/Guillo] + Allcrab who ripped off LoMo's watcher result and TMI'd bunny and has been skating by ever since? It is one of those + Martin who has fooled me?

I am not inspired by any of these possibilities. A mafia team with Made in it makes the most sense regardless of anyone else's alignment.

what points do you have in favor of Mac or Guilo or Allcrab or Lomo that makes them mutually incompatible? Is it Jay's analysis. The issue is if there's 2 scum left it's either those or you're getting got sis.

And to be fair, yesterday I pushed cleared players lmao. The first player I iso'd today way Allcrab, Ur not reading my post sloonei

You asked a question about whether Allcrab was cleared and offered no follow-up.

RE: Martin, I also feel like his reaction to Hawk's roleclaim on Day 3 looked authentic. I do not know whether or not Mafia Martin reacts as strongly as he did there, but my guess is that he does not.

I mean it's probably dishonest to call what i'm doing isoing, I'm kinda just hopping around thread following my nose. I don't know the exact steps that go me from Allcrab to reading Martin's iso, but I probably telegraphed it. The thoughts I'm having are the thoughts i'm saying.

What even is a modified tracker?

What are your thoughts on the claims of living players? Why have you not claimed?

I think the attention you're putting on me is odd but i kinda appreciate it cuz it grounds my play. The Desperado stuff on you give you a pass for today, but if i were around I'd prob tinfoil at Fx

I like lomo's case on Jay, I think Jay/guilo interactions need to be looked at by non Jay person that's not comf biased as you seem to be on jay. This is doubly true if Martin is town and we're correctly assuming we have 2 scum left. Jay has the gavial hell in the cell working for him, but I do see him being the kind of confident player who would be willing to go for that play for the wifom

I wouldn't put faking mason's past Nanook, it's seeming like this game has a lot of btsc, so the idea of a neutral or evil align btsc sounds, but the case isn't really that compelling to me.

I think Mac's town on tone, he's as meme-y as he was in zelda mash and modern family, in comparison to spiderman where he ignored all my jokes. I think the fact that we're being shipped means we either only have one scum left in a player with less associative reads like martin, or it's just Jay/Guillo. based on my read of threads state, one scum is prob most likely

Allcrab reads fairly clean to me, but that might just be lack of familiarity with the player compared to the

I've already spoken on Alison, and I don't feel like being roasted on TangleStarkPro again. this is all off the top, so if i'm forgetting someone, that person auto sus af for missing my radar

but yeah, sorry for inactivity y'all, i normally don't get too into a game unless we're losing, or i'm getting turbo'd and that didn't really happen till today. I think we still got this tho

The highlighted thing I already mentioned in my previous post. I like it for Allcrab, and I might like it a lot. The rest of this is pretty non-descript and beige.

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From Allcrab

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I like made, I don't have read on made but I like made.

Idk how to phrase this exactly uuuhhhhhh.....is made a brave wolf?

Idk how to phrase this exactly uuuhhhhhh.....is made a brave wolf?

This looks like shade. Can you explain why you think that made might be a wolf?

Scroll down.

Animal Kingdom
Bunny
Hawk
Tangrowth

Kingdom Outskirts
JJJ
Sonny
Gavial

Plants
Lomo
Nutella

Fungi
Owner
Alison
Made

From what I've read so far

I actually also believe it could have been w/w, but it's hard to say. Made just doesn't have much content to judge.

But could it have been w/w/w

I think made is village for reasons many will probably call weak but the way they defended alison when I sus'd them kinda feeling real like in anycase I kinda feel like made is playing against win con if they wolf defending villagers and voting a wolf they literally gave themselves an out to not suspect.

It doesn't make sense to me.

I kinda wouldn't be surprised if tangrowth was a wolf considering I feel like they generated a lot of the energy to make made a wagon.

bad bunny has extremely high wolf equity in light of nutella's flip.

I am very confidant bunny is a villager if she's a wolf she votes made 100% I'm sure of it.

You seem to also know Made's alignment.

I literally said I think made is village like a page ago.

Act-Wolf
Alison-Village
Bunny-Village
Gnome-Village
Guillo-Village
JJJ-Village
Lomo-Village (I just don't see the value of a one shot wolf watcher but maybe I'm being dumb on this)
Mac-Village?
Made-Village
Martin-Wolf
Nanook-Village
Orange-Wolf?
Seanzie-Wolf?
Sloonei-Wolf
Tangrowth-Village

I think that's everybody and I know there probably a 3p in there somewhere but I don't care enough to do work on that until wolves are gone.

What's there to have a go at? I asked Allcrab earlier about his read on me and he ignored me. Right now he seems to just not want to give me credit for things I've done. If he doesn't want to believe the wolfpelt I have thrown over my shoulder, or my general vibe in thread, he's either a wolf or town that isn't going to find me no matter what I do.

I think you and @Allcrab need to talk this out. It'll help develop reads on both of you.

I don't understand what there is to talk out, I will say seanzie is being a massive hypocrite for suggesting they get credit for owner when both me and bunny were on owner way before just about anyone and they have us in their PoE despite that so that doesn't change my read much.

Putting a vote down and being essentially non-present in thread otherwise is not the same thing as going above-and-beyond to make sure that person get lunched. Did you even read D2? That massive wagon on Owner didn't appear out of nowhere. Right as soon as Owner came into the thread, I pushed her. Once I had enough, I made sure everyone was fully aware of the situation. Others really wanted a Hawk wagon. I wanted Owner in the ground.

If you were voting Owner before me, great. I didn't know that, props to you. If you want to say that you voting Owner early on before Owner was in danger is the same thing as me pushing the thread to make sure Owner is definitely lunched, well sorry.

Either way, I honestly am probably the towniest I've ever been in this game because of how excited I got about catching Owner. From what I can tell you have zero actual thoughts about me though (I mean I'm sure you do, but you haven't vocalized them). I've given a ton of content. What are your thoughts?

I think you're being massively disingenuous I did push owner repeatedly and owner had just as many votes as nutella did when I left the thread d1 and then made got rolled on after so saying I pushed owner when she wasn't in danger is just wrong.

Act, Gnome, Made, and OC seem to form my premier suspect tier. Allcrab, bad bunny, lost monkey, and MartinGG99 would have to round out whoever's missing. This doesn't take any third party into consideration.

Are at least three mafia not contained above? I ask whoever cares to ponder.

The reason I ask this question is this:

Allcrab, lost monkey, and Martin all look town to me at face value. If I give Allcrab the nod, then I am generally inclined to do the same bad bunny given Allcrab's view.

If all of the above is correct, I need three mafia within [Act, Gnome, Made, and OC] or something has to be incorrect. It could be that three mafia are in that set if we're very fortuitous. These reads aren't without controversy though, especially if your name is Nanook.

I feel kinda decent about both made and gnome being village so this is a bit problematic.

wait wait wait wait wait, is there a reason we're not looking at Tangle???

Belzy desperado shot them and they died.

alison
JJJ
bunny
made
sloonei
gnome
tangrowth
guillo
nanook

I don't wanna consider any of these rn what does that leave me with?

act
martin
seanzie
mac

50/50 odds if I'm keeping on my hot streak ain't bad.

Has made really not made a post since d2 or is their ISO broken? .-.

After reading through again kinda where I'm at although I don't agree with martin being clear at all I'm at Act>Martin>Made and if wolves arn't gone by then start freaking out lol.

Nobody targeted mac last night.

Figured poisoner MO was to go after people on the fringe of the PoE which was kinda right they were a bit more direct than I expected and I guessed wrong, sorry.

And yeah I am trying to get poisoner identity over wolves cuz that's gonna be WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY harder to get if we gotta do it the old fashioned way.

I wanna vote martin today but out of respect for Alison's read I'll try made first.

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

HI friends, sorry for missing yesterday, i got my start of day/end of days dates twisted. Before I waste my time in iso hell, is Allcrab cleared for any reason? I see they claimed on day 2 and alison didn't buy it, but then they got a red check on owner.

Made/Mac Wolves
Martin Poison sounds about right dunno what else it can be looking at who's left and the claims.

Is Made usually a low poster?

I used the orange and green colors to highlight Allcrab's general progression on Made. On Day 1 he had it right, and he produced a strong reads list with minimum three mafia in the bottom two tiers. Neat. Crab's read on Made shifted to town starting on Day 2 after the EOD1 wagons, and it held steady there mostly until POE constricted Made back into place around Days 4 and 5. I could perhaps accuse Allcrab of treating Made with kid gloves. I don't think this stuff looks "bad" though. It doesn't impact my view of Allcrab much either way.

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Conclusion

The holistic production of this review is pretty much a non-decision for Allcrab. My view doesn't change much. However I did highlight the one Made post that speaks to me a good amount, and in Allcrab's favor. I invite perspectives on that one especially.

[Alison]

And not claiming is anti town right now so the real question is why aren't you claiming.

[TonyStarkPrime]

TSP not claiming probably proves he is evil.

if I were bad I would have claimed something right away and if you cite the one time where I didn’t I’ll point out that I had to deal with the fact that I was role copped and my wolf team had taken all of my fake claims

You slowrolled a claim in both mysterious universe and fallout 2

That’s at least not true in mysterious universe where there were no roles?

[TonyStarkPrime]

And not claiming is anti town right now so the real question is why aren't you claiming.

I disagree

[TonyStarkPrime]

Technically I had already claimed vanilla in Fallout before I claimed something else too while we’re at it

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have to check if they advocated for Orange being shot because if they didn't then I buy that narrative even less than I already do.

Nope lol

Mac defended OC on the basis of his "request" to be shot. Mac isn't one to gobble up wifom like that, and it's the most glaring red flag in his ISO for me.

You keep mentioning this. I didn't defend them. You asked me for a reason to town read them and it was all I could come up with. Please stop bringing it up like it was earnest.

I already showed you this isn't what happened. You may genuinely not remember it that way, but this is not what happened.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Did Sean claim before dying cause I have a second question

[Alison]

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

[MacDougall]

Sorry. That's a whole bunch of stream of mumbo jumbo.

I was looking at multiple things so it may be a bit difficult to follow.

I liked it. Quote it at the top of every page please.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

And not claiming is anti town right now so the real question is why aren't you claiming.

I disagree

I disagree

[MacDougall]

Did Sean claim before dying cause I have a second question

Mostly

[MacDougall]

I have to check if they advocated for Orange being shot because if they didn't then I buy that narrative even less than I already do.

Nope lol

Mac defended OC on the basis of his "request" to be shot. Mac isn't one to gobble up wifom like that, and it's the most glaring red flag in his ISO for me.

You keep mentioning this. I didn't defend them. You asked me for a reason to town read them and it was all I could come up with. Please stop bringing it up like it was earnest.

I already showed you this isn't what happened. You may genuinely not remember it that way, but this is not what happened.

Where did you do that?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I did post a Sonnycrush review that I thought might be in Mac's favor. I haven't been able to get any feedback yet. I grant that Mac is still deep in my own POE.

[MacDougall]

I did post a Sonnycrush review that I thought might be in Mac's favor. I haven't been able to get any feedback yet. I grant that Mac is still deep in my own POEparanoia tinfoil rivalry confbias.

ftfy

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Let me express how much I care about anyone volunteering or calling to be shot:

Dude there is such thing as context.

I find Guillo more suspicious for calling for it.
I find Orange mildly more townie.

It has everything to do with meta, how they are positioned and also your face.

The point of the quote was to show that your view wasn't merely a trustfall hypothetical.

@MacDougall

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I did post a Sonnycrush review that I thought might be in Mac's favor. I haven't been able to get any feedback yet. I grant that Mac is still deep in my own POEparanoia tinfoil rivalry confbias.

ftfy

I appreciate the cheek, but who the hell else should be in my POE?