PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [END]

[Syn]

let's hope for a red flip eh, fellow villagers

[Syn]

OMG I CAN USE THE GIF

[nutella]

(no sexual)

[Dyslexicon]

Arete probably town. As is Syn.

And Marl. And looks like c4 too.

[Syn]

[Dyslexicon]

I’m gay

[Marluxion]

I'm here
For a couple seconds

Wolfchat alerted you eh

nobody would even be alive in wolfchat to alert him!

[c4e5g3d5]

I'm here
For a couple seconds

Wolfchat alerted you eh

They told me I was getting CFD'd
Disappointed

[staypositivefriend]

im gay

[Syn]

^ that's spf tbh tbh

[Syn]

lol damnit spf

[bronana]

thats the joke marl

[nutella]

good byyyyyyyyye

[Syn]

last

[Marluxion]

thats the joke marl

no i'm the joke

[bronana]

buttcrack

[Arete]

glgl

just remembered it was EoD :wowee:

[Syn]

the prisoners have overthrown the host

[Marluxion]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Day 5 has ended.

Syn has been eliminated. He was three child prodigies stacked on top of one another in a trench coat.

Spoiler: show

Vanilla town

Spoiler: show

Night 5 is underway and will last 24 hours.

I will again give the players an opportunity to shift the game style, but only if it is unanimous just like before. This time however I am not changing the day lengths but rather implementing a hammer vote (majority). If even one player declines or does not provide me with a preference privately, I will not proceed. As always don't discuss this in the thread at all. You have all of Night 5 to indicate your preference.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Syndicate University will be observing a campus-wide Wellness Day during Night 5. Classes are not in session. Please enjoy your day off and be well.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Night 5 is over.

Marluxion has been killed. He was the first student in the door and the last student out, but somehow still always sleeping.


Vanilla town


Day 6 begins. You have 48 hours to vote. THERE IS NO HAMMER. Poll will be up momentarily.

[nutella]

weh

think it's most likely spf, side of visor

i had neighbor chat with dizzy overnight, we both did a bit of isoing and agree on those/agree that arete/c4 more likely town

[nutella]

have some spf quotes to pull but will wait a bit

[c4e5g3d5]

My hand is yours to hold nut
I assume there's still something I'm missing

[Arete]

Okay I'm going to be honest I have no idea who the last wolf is

I know I'm supposed to be like 'as a Member Of The PoE With Special Insight Into The Game, I Have Determined The Exact Solve' but in fact, no

like I guess by PoE it's probably SPF?? but I'm not confident in that

[Arete]

anyways

I also have no idea what to look at to figure it out beyond 'reading people's posts' which is super vague

so if anyone has something in particular that they want someone to look into but don't actually want to look into themself, let me know and I can try to look into it?

um also I won a 'single post in day phase following death' prize back on night 1 so if I get voted out then tomorrow if people have any questions for me you can post them in the thread and I'll do my best to answer them

[c4e5g3d5]

Sick deal @nutella

You beat me over the head with a stick that says "Dizzy town"
Then I'll beat you over the head with a stick that says "spf town"

[staypositivefriend]

hello

i will do my best to avoid responding to suspicion toward me today, because it tends to irk me a bit and distracts me from doing the solving that would be beneficial for the entire game. (although i will towncase myself if it would be beneficial overall - i think the frustration i had yesterday stemmed from the feeling that nobody had closely read my progression on dya, which is the thing in this game that i feel should clear me as a villager in just about every world.)

i have a limited amount of free time this week especially, and that really cripples my ability to do my ~process~ in the same way that i like to do when i have a lot of time on my hands. even so, here's my plan for today:

we have three chops left. if i can narrow down the wolves in this game to two possible names, then i can allow myself to be chopped and force everyone else to follow my legacy once i flip. the goal for today, then, is to narrow down my POE to exactly two names. i'll try to provide an answer for this at the end of these 48 hours

[bronana]

the crushing moment when the 2% chance to be night killed failed to occur

[outed wolf]

yeah i got very little time to solve this game so im relying on the rest of you to carry me lol

sorry pals

[nutella]

some spf stuff

Spoiler: show

@Vulgard - regarding https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 00#p797367, you need to re-read the beginning of the thread again. a lot of the stuff you said was factually inaccurate and i suspect that it's because you were rushing through the thread in your catch-up. i did not townread hally - i actually threw shade on hally early on, and i'm confused at how you missed that early exchange between us. i think that you're town though, and it's primarily because of your progression on me. if you were a wolf and you wanted to make up a reason to justify your suspicion toward me, there would be a lot of easier avenues to that destination than to pontificate about my meta for a page or two and then conclude that you were incorrect all along. if you wanted to pocket me or get in my good graces, there are also easier ways to do that than the paranoid, uncertain attitude you've shown toward me within the last couple of pages. it comes off like you are genuinely trying to consider my alignment, and that's a feeling that is reflected in most of the posts i've seen from you (ie: your read on hally)

I'll admit one thing here. I thought you townread Hally, because: At first you did question Hally, yes, but then they explained themselves. At that point you went like "fair enough" which I took as a townread. I didn't consider that townread warranted.

Aside from that. Despite you explaining it extensively in this post, I still don't understand how you townread me from your perspective. I made a factually incorrect push on you (from your presented perspective). Your response is to call me town for it because it looks genuine. What separates my push from agenda, especially if I got facts wrong? Don't wolves try to misconstrue the facts as part of their agenda? How can you tell whether I did it on purpose or not?

Basically, this post looks like a pocket/placating attempt to me. And yes, I've just called my push agenda because I'm not sure how SPF concluded I'm V. I'd expect most villagers I push for factually incorrect reasons to think I'm a wolf. Either that, or berate me for flimsy reasoning. I'm used to that as well. I'd expect SPF to wolfread me back or get suspicious of me if she's town.

This treatment feels... off.

SPF don't read:

Spoiler: show

Or maybe I'm not accustomed to being understood and I wolfread it on instinct.

I totally don't want SPF to just be town.

your read on me being predicted on factually incorrect information is not alignment indicative. most wolves don't outright lie about their reasoning, and the way that you carried this internal attitude of: "SPF townread hally" throughout your posts implied to me that you genuinely thought that i townread them regardless of your alignment

i think that your push on me is genuine because it isn't really a push - you came into the game w/concerns about me and then spent several lengthy posts desperately trying to dig up previous meta to verify if your read on me was correct, only to then conclude that your entire pursuit was fruitless. wolves that try to push on me usually treat me in a static way - i am either Good or i'm Bad, whereas your read on me exists in this continuum of: "SPF might be a wolf but she also might be a villager, i don't know", and i find the consideration and the self-doubt believable. i also think that your approach to reading me, in general, has an extremely high level of effort for comparatively low payoff in a world where you are a wolf. why even bother going through the meta stuff as a wolf instead of just saying: "SPF is kind of scummy" and leaving it at that?

i am pocketing you, though

this early interaction with vulgard still feels wrong to me, also i didn't quote vulgard's first post but it has a looottt of shade toward spf and then after it he goes into her meta almost as if he's hunting for a reason to call her town and back off

(also note that dya basically glossed over that whole thing's existence)

i feel like his early pressure on spf was cooked up distancing and in this response spf is driving home the point that it doesn't make sense as evaluation of her from wolf!vul. also the last line lfjka;dkjfasd;lfja;sdfj


spf has SEVERAL posts repeating a list of names including vulgard that she specifically keeps saying "hopefully only one wolf in this list" "one wolf max" like over and over, she says this at least 3 or 4 times, i think this can legitimately be tmi including vulgard and knowing it does in fact include exactly one wolf

similarly, this post set off MAJOR alarm bells in my head

so, going off of the readslist that i just outed, that means:

my townreads are arete, c4, nutella, vulgard

my townleans are dyslexicon, marluxion, sunbae, chloe, vulgard, outed wolf

my poe is alison, dyachei, amy, bronana

weird. i'm doubtful that the bottom POE contains all three wolves

if i had to wager a guess, the bottom POE contains two wolves (one if i'm really off), and the third wolf is contained within my townleans

she accidentally includes vulgard on two tiers, one of those being the "townleans" tier that she thinks contains a wolf

this just makes every piece of me scream



i also think she has kind of exaggerated her cred on dya, like yes she pressured dya for a lot of the first couple phases but it's very much not outside what i can see as a bus, and i particularly didn't like this post early on
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 03#p798603
it's like some shade on dya but "the rest of their posts are fine" and "dya's alignment will become more obvious as the game goes on" which is kinda oooof

she does ramp up on pushing dya after that, though even on d2 she starts to try to tie alison and dya together which in retrospect feels agendaed to me; generally i think a lot of her takes on dya can come from a teammate who wants to/can appear insightful about why dya's wolfy bc she already knows they're a wolf and wants to bus/ be on the right side of history


have some stuff on visor to post as well (would be a different style of bus/tmi on dya) but i think spf looks worse from my reread, not better as she promised me

[nutella]

i will do my best to avoid responding to suspicion toward me today, because it tends to irk me a bit and distracts me from doing the solving that would be beneficial for the entire game. (although i will towncase myself if it would be beneficial overall - i think the frustration i had yesterday stemmed from the feeling that nobody had closely read my progression on dya, which is the thing in this game that i feel should clear me as a villager in just about every world.)

hmm nope

[VOTE: spf] aubergine

[c4e5g3d5]

i will do my best to avoid responding to suspicion toward me today, because it tends to irk me a bit and distracts me from doing the solving that would be beneficial for the entire game. (although i will towncase myself if it would be beneficial overall - i think the frustration i had yesterday stemmed from the feeling that nobody had closely read my progression on dya, which is the thing in this game that i feel should clear me as a villager in just about every world.)

hmm nope

[VOTE: spf] aubergine

This post is like
Her exact town range
I'll check out the other stuff you said when I have a little time but this isn't a reason to vote her

[staypositivefriend]

@nutella - just a few things:

-you're objectively wrong about "this list has one wolf maximum" being a tell for me in either direction - this is a phrase/strategy that i've used consistently in my last couple of village games, and i can link you to the games where i've used them if that would really help you

-i accidentally included amy on two tiers on one of my readslist on d2. does that mean that i'm partnered with amy? what is my wolf motivation for putting vulgard twice on the same list by accident? that doesn't even make sense lol

-yeah i mean, i didn't aggressively hardtunnel on dya while going "YOURE MAFIA!!!!!!", but my suspicion of them was consistent and constant. when i said that their alignment would become more obvious as the game went on, i was right, and that was reflected in the fact that i became more and more certain that dya was a wolf as the game went on. if you're looking for a moment where i absolutely buried dyachei then you're looking at me with the entirely wrong approach - i don't usually hardtunnel people in games, and especially not players like dyachei who i am consistently worried about misreading

your post against me reeks of someone confirmation biasing themselves into the same paranoid tinfoil read that they've been entertaining for several dayphases, and i doubt that i can talk you out of it at this point tbh

[bronana]

spf has SEVERAL posts repeating a list of names including vulgard that she specifically keeps saying "hopefully only one wolf in this list" "one wolf max" like over and over, she says this at least 3 or 4 times, i think this can legitimately be tmi including vulgard and knowing it does in fact include exactly one wolf

I am pretty sure this is just how spf operates, she did the same thing d1 of mountain climbing mafia (as villager, died n1)

[nutella]

spf here:

i dont really believe in my heart that syn is a wolf even though i think it's entirely possible

so im in that awkward inbetween state where i dont quite have the time to figure out who i would wanna chop in a world where syn doesnt get killed, but where syn being killed doesn't feel exactly right to me

hopefully it's just syn and im just being silly

weren't you coming in hard saying the neighbor chat was wolfy and he was lying about it? why do you think he's town and why did you only bring this up after 46 hours?

yeah i mean, i do think that his reads have been wolfy and haven't made any sense, but he hasn't been posting like a final wolf that's guaranteed to die. i just don't fully feel it but i hope im just getting meme'd on

spf in grasslands (wolf):

i dont want to be that clown that defends a mafia when theyre about to be chopped but i just realized that i dont ~really~ have a concrete reason to be suspicious of thunal today. i want to talk this through with someone (i wish hally was still here lol)

spf here:

hello

i will do my best to avoid responding to suspicion toward me today, because it tends to irk me a bit and distracts me from doing the solving that would be beneficial for the entire game. (although i will towncase myself if it would be beneficial overall - i think the frustration i had yesterday stemmed from the feeling that nobody had closely read my progression on dya, which is the thing in this game that i feel should clear me as a villager in just about every world.)

i have a limited amount of free time this week especially, and that really cripples my ability to do my ~process~ in the same way that i like to do when i have a lot of time on my hands. even so, here's my plan for today:

we have three chops left. if i can narrow down the wolves in this game to two possible names, then i can allow myself to be chopped and force everyone else to follow my legacy once i flip. the goal for today, then, is to narrow down my POE to exactly two names. i'll try to provide an answer for this at the end of these 48 hours

spf in grasslands (wolf):

kinda funny that i completely flipped my poe on its head from yesterday. it was gonna be between tutuu and nanook and now im more or less locking them both town and it's between thunal and spf lolololol hi dead ppl reading the thread am i dumb

is there anything specific that makes you think i could be mafia, or is it more of your POE narrowing it down to me and thunal? i can make a case for why im 100% town in this game if you really want me to, but i don't find it to be necessary

[staypositivefriend]

remember that time in bread mafia when nutella (a villager) pushed on SPF (a villager) by quoting posts from grasslands (where SPF was a wolf) and saying how similar the language is?

cause i do :P

[nutella]

@nutella - just a few things:

-you're objectively wrong about "this list has one wolf maximum" being a tell for me in either direction - this is a phrase/strategy that i've used consistently in my last couple of village games, and i can link you to the games where i've used them if that would really help you

-i accidentally included amy on two tiers on one of my readslist on d2. does that mean that i'm partnered with amy? what is my wolf motivation for putting vulgard twice on the same list by accident? that doesn't even make sense lol

-yeah i mean, i didn't aggressively hardtunnel on dya while going "YOURE MAFIA!!!!!!", but my suspicion of them was consistent and constant. when i said that their alignment would become more obvious as the game went on, i was right, and that was reflected in the fact that i became more and more certain that dya was a wolf as the game went on. if you're looking for a moment where i absolutely buried dyachei then you're looking at me with the entirely wrong approach - i don't usually hardtunnel people in games, and especially not players like dyachei who i am consistently worried about misreading

your post against me reeks of someone confirmation biasing themselves into the same paranoid tinfoil read that they've been entertaining for several dayphases, and i doubt that i can talk you out of it at this point tbh

- okay, your phrasing here about it being objectively not a tell in either direction sounds kinda like wolf pov but w/e
- i don't care. this specific instance is bad because you specifically said there was a wolf in the townleans and i think thats the only reason you would have moved vulgard down into townleans bc you had tmi
- ok. you said you'd pull some posts that you think make it clear you're not w/w with dya, lets see those pls

[bronana]

are those really even that similar? or meaningful, even if they are?

[nutella]

remember that time in bread mafia when nutella (a villager) pushed on SPF (a villager) by quoting posts from grasslands (where SPF was a wolf) and saying how similar the language is?

cause i do :P

lol

[bronana]

[VOTE: arete] aubergine

[nutella]

alright i'll talk about visor for a bit while waiting for spf's other stuff

er, vulgard and i can both be villas

(also id never not rb amy lol cmon)

this post kinda bad feels -- tbf this whole section of the thread we were considering vulgard v worlds, and this was arguing against the specific theory that he could have been rber, but mrrr

[nutella]

Visor is a wolf.

I do not have an argument to back this up.

Discuss.

lol

[nutella]

dya put visor in a "dunno what to do with" tier in a couple diff readslists, including one that didnt have either kza or vulgard at all

[staypositivefriend]

@nutella - just a few things:

-you're objectively wrong about "this list has one wolf maximum" being a tell for me in either direction - this is a phrase/strategy that i've used consistently in my last couple of village games, and i can link you to the games where i've used them if that would really help you

-i accidentally included amy on two tiers on one of my readslist on d2. does that mean that i'm partnered with amy? what is my wolf motivation for putting vulgard twice on the same list by accident? that doesn't even make sense lol

-yeah i mean, i didn't aggressively hardtunnel on dya while going "YOURE MAFIA!!!!!!", but my suspicion of them was consistent and constant. when i said that their alignment would become more obvious as the game went on, i was right, and that was reflected in the fact that i became more and more certain that dya was a wolf as the game went on. if you're looking for a moment where i absolutely buried dyachei then you're looking at me with the entirely wrong approach - i don't usually hardtunnel people in games, and especially not players like dyachei who i am consistently worried about misreading

your post against me reeks of someone confirmation biasing themselves into the same paranoid tinfoil read that they've been entertaining for several dayphases, and i doubt that i can talk you out of it at this point tbh

- okay, your phrasing here about it being objectively not a tell in either direction sounds kinda like wolf pov but w/e
- i don't care. this specific instance is bad because you specifically said there was a wolf in the townleans and i think thats the only reason you would have moved vulgard down into townleans bc you had tmi
- ok. you said you'd pull some posts that you think make it clear you're not w/w with dya, lets see those pls

-your response to my first point here is a good example of why i feel that you're confirmation biasing yourself - you would not interpret that post as me speaking from a "wolf POV" unless you were already looking at me through a negative lens

-but you don't know whether or not i meant to put vulgard on my townleans or my townreads, do you? it should be obvious that i was debating which tier to put him on and accidentally left him on both - the exact same mistake that i made with amy. the fact that i did NOT move vulgard down to my townleans (to my memory, actually) pokes a giant hole in your entire argument

-it's really about the general trajectory more than specific posts - you saw me bus 3/4 of my wolfteam in Cov, right? you saw the way that i very loudly and very theatrically "cased" my partners and created wagons against them for the sole purpose of reaping as much townread as possible, right? do you feel that my treatment of dyachei in this game is in any way comparable? the answer is probably "no" - the fact is that my treatment of dyachei in this game is probably underwhelming compared to how i treat my partners when i'm a wolf, and that's exactly why people tend to incorrectly townread me when i'm a wolf and incorrectly scumread me when i'm a villager

as for specific posts, i'd have to do some digging, but the most obvious moments should be me directly calling attention to how dyachei's read on alison was illogical and bad (something that would be bad for me to do in the world you propose where i am trying to set up alison/dyachei as W/W), dyachei defending me from c4's wolfread on me extremely early on, dyachei going out of their way to find a "good post" from me after i called them out for trying to keep me in their POE, etc etc

[c4e5g3d5]

I don't see where to go other than [VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine
This will probably start another messy argument that I really shouldn't be starting rn

[outed wolf]

dya ignored me cause i spent all game pushing them

they did their typical call me light v stuff (i can literally go find you games where theyve done this as a wolf with me pushing them, its their attempt to get me off their back)

[nutella]

wheres your head at dya,

some sort of tier/reads list would be nice?

my head is at annoyed that I can't play a game with friends without being told that my way of playing is shitty, anti-town, or wolfy

Villa
Tangy

Villa Lean
Amy
c4

Don't know where to place
nutella
visor

W lean
Gavial
alison

W

here -- might be a good look for spf bc not including *any* teammates would be ???? but kinda wifom

meh for c4 (townlean) and visor (why is he included if they dont know where to place him)


then again there was that thing that they posted that might have just been literally TMIing both zack and visor town / being annoyed that neither were townreading them, but could also be pairing a teammate with a villager

spf sunbae Vulgard 3/3 core
nut prolly threadspewed
Couldn't give fewer shits about dya unless Seth flips green
Couldn't give fewer shits about Hally and Zack unless KZA flips green

Alison
Amy
Arete
Dyslexicon
Marluxion
outed wolf
Tangrowth

Someone gimme their most urgent legacy top townie in that bunch

amy

and with that, I'm done posting so here's a reads list

V
Amy
Tangy

V lean
c4
sunbae
vulgard

dunno what to do with
nutella
hally
zack
visor
dizzy
arete
spf

w lean
gav
kza

w
alison

later reads list, has visor and spf (and arete and dizzy) in null tier, has vulgard and kza split across town/wolf lean tiers
c4 being in same tier as vul probably good look for him