Bird Mafia [TOWN VICTORY]

[Herm]

No Ron.

[hollowkatt]

No Ron.

[hollowkatt]

oof that was bigger than I expected

[hollowkatt]

wait, is there a post cap?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Instead of a real answer I'm gonna be flippant

I thought they fixed the part where they were postcapped at 10 posts per day as scum

I mean yeah its not purely a postcount clear but this is snappier

[Creature]

Reasonably sure creature is clear

From?

Hes super polarized

I am aware, normally polarized players tend to be super townie when they're town and super scummy when they're scum.

Creature has not been super townie.

I disagree I think they've been townie

How so

Instead of a real answer I'm gonna be flippant

Dafuq you still think postcount is a tell?

[Creature]

wait, is there a post cap?

Pretty sure OP said there was no post cap

[hollowkatt]

wait, is there a post cap?

Pretty sure OP said there was no post cap

sweet

[Creature]

Here's my countertell:

[hollowkatt]

I remember that game! Syn and I were in it together. That was fun. Dolby/Ace were great too

[Creature]

Imagine ending in F3 with Dolby/Ace and the slot in which one of the heads literally got six-months banned because of the game.

[hollowkatt]

Imagine ending in F3 with Dolby/Ace and the slot in which one of the heads literally got six-months banned because of the game.

yeah, that was a thing that happened wasn't it.

[hollowkatt]

anyways, in all seriousness [VOTE: Hollowkatt] aubergine
Might check in again, if I don't, the pleasure has been someones, but probably not anyone here.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Maybe hk is a jester

[EnderWiggin]

Maybe hk is a jester

I wouldn't even be mad at this point tbh.

[orangecrush]

Unfortunately just haven't had time to play this yet. I do still plan on getting more involved though

[EnderWiggin]

*Pokes*

[hollowkatt]

Maybe hk is a jester

I'd have been funnier

[Herm]

oof that was bigger than I expected

LOL

[Herm]

I've had fun with everyone so far.

[Creature]

Maybe hk is a jester

Thinking the same

[Creature]

Funny thing is that lynching jester is pretty much pro-town (unless jester has some lynch-triggered ability that directly harms town).

[Creature]

Victory conditions: Wolves require parity with town at day start. Town requires the elimination of all wolves.

Wait maybe it is confirmed that this setup only has town and wolves?

[EnderWiggin]

Victory conditions: Wolves require parity with town at day start. Town requires the elimination of all wolves.

Wait maybe it is confirmed that this setup only has town and wolves?

If that's true lynching HK is even better.

It's pretty much win/winner for lynching HK rn.

[Creature]

Victory conditions: Wolves require parity with town at day start. Town requires the elimination of all wolves.

Wait maybe it is confirmed that this setup only has town and wolves?

If that's true lynching HK is even better.

It's pretty much win/winner for lynching HK rn.

Guess that can be confirmed by the mod. Just too lazy to send a PM.

[Alison]

jesters that fuck town on death are bastard imo

[Herm]

Yes.

[Herm]

It doesn't specifically say, but I doubt we have a Jester in this game.

[Herm]

I think HK is either 3P Survivor or Wolf tbh.

[EnderWiggin]

[VOTE: Hollowkat] aubergine

Nothing is happening. One of Herm or Dusk is probably scum, but it doesn't matter for today.

I'm gonna head out for a bit to do some of those pesky irl things, I'll be back to talk later.

[Alison]

i haven't really been pinged by dusk's posting. I'll take a gander tomorrow if anyone has specific posts of his they'd like to highlight.

herm hasn't been inspiring. all of wurzel's posts are bad.

my nook read is probably my weakest tbh, I don't think the reasons are strong as I thought they initially were on further reflection.

[Duskfall]

List of TOWN and not TOWN

Ydrasse - - - feels like Town
Falcon - - - claimed Villager

Ender - - - possibly Town
Timsup4nothin - - - possibly Town
Wiml - - - possibly Town

KZA - - - 50% change of Town
Duskfall - - - cloudy with occassional Town

Wurzeloni - - - NO READ
Creature - - - NO READ
Orangecrush - - - NO READ
NANOOK - - - NO READ

Alison - - - Very hard to read
Long Con - - - Also hard to read but feels slightly more Town atm
Sig - - - No clue

Lost Monkey - - - Super Lurker

Hollowkatt - - - 3P Survivor

50 percent chance of town should be below no read statistically btw, since standard no read in a game of mafia is like 75 percent town usually

[Ydrasse]

i'm not good at catching up but i'll take some notes while i do:

1) before i even get started, the 3p thing regarding @HK -- i'm sorry if you felt forced by my slot-ancestor to out since i know 3p is very rare/fun to get to play (at least from what i've seen since i've never been lucky enough to get it OTL) but i'm probably going to vote you today barring a really good wolfread. which i don't know if i'll get since i have low confidence in really nailing someone as one, but. yeah. just wanted to apologize if my slot messed up your game. :/ fwiw if it was like, Good For Town tm i'd wish you could stay alive.

2) i guess a bit of an introduction wrt me and forum mafia: hi i'm ydrasse, i was invited to mafsynd, i play on mafiascum a lot. i've rolled scum more times than i have ever wanted in my life. my talents are looking very cute and towny and not getting voted out, usually. i'll probably be around when i'm not at work. please don't ask why i'm only catching up now.

okay anyways

- most of early game gives me nothing, the first thing i felt as a real ping was 71, i don't know why, the frustration feels slightly +town.

- 95 slightly? +town for alison? i have retrospect of knowing hk is 3p but alison outing that feels good knowing it'll come to fruition. also the fact that hk votes her in 97 makes me feel good about them not being aligned.

- herm identifying alison as town is nice (137). feel smart. feel good. herm gets a bit of trust.

- long con hopping onto hk isn't as towny as pointing it out but they're agreeing with the sentiment and pushing it through. so townpoints.

- 184 alison cementing self as most trusted town. this feels like a read i would make LMAO.

- i haven't really had any thoughts about esooa so far but 188 is the fun sort of pop in that i don't trust much? like it's a subtle way to undermine gavial's push in the way that while even i don't agree with it, it frames gavial as like... incorrect. i think this only matters if falcon actually is a wolf though and esooa's trying to poke a little bit at my slot. or i'm overthinking. i want to pretend i'm smart.

- 201 +wolf for ender without knowing how it's followed up on. i don't have much of a read on wurzel going through these old posts but, again, retrospect.

- 228 is interesting, because i feel like someone sees a slot that's been talked about to some degree and voices an opinion of the slot before they voice their meta ways of reading said person? even then it's followed up with "i don't have much of an opinion" skimming ahead in esooa's iso which is weird to me. maybe it's that esooa didn't express the same confidence following this as she could have knowing he's easy to locktown/lockscum for her? or i guess thinking about it a bit more, identifying someone's posts as weird feels like it could be a small tmi in that esooa knows that wurzel presents as scummy at times but knows his alignment or something and it fell through. idk. i don't trust this slot right now.

- creature feels a little towny. i don't have concrete reasons for this. the votes on him feel like lhf votes because he's not doing anything. it's an easy place for wolves to go to, and oh look, ender, esooa. i can feel myself starting to tunnel a bit going down to 264. going on this, 303 also makes me feel some kind of way. i do feel that ender's... eagerness? on page 7 is slightly +town though, throwing out pings to interact like that.

- 321. !

- i'm warming up to ender on page 8. he has this fun energy that feels like he's town pumped to do things here more than before. if i'm being suckered i'm glad it's by the passion to play but i'm going back and forth on this slot.

- tempted to sheep my slot-ancestor's read on falcon if only for lack of my own opinion there currently, he was positing them as a team but it could be groupscum and then the 3p. hk arguing earlier that they aren't paired with falcon looked genuine and like, clearly it's because it is but i don't think it excludes falcon.

- not sure what to make of wiml right now, on page 10. same with duskfall. i lied about duskfall i'm leery of people labeling a slot as "incorrect" or "misguided" etc etc because they know that like, they're not doing things scummy but idk. being able to say it without worrying /why/ someone is incorrect and if it's meaningful is a bad look. (505)

- 549 is EITHER +town or +scum for duskfall with the latter having a caveat of it being theater and that's the only way i'd frame it as scummy.

- I am very bad at this game if there isn't at least 1 scum in duskfall/ender/esooa.

- 626 compared to 641. hm.

- i don't know what isn't clicking about these scumreads on herm but they're not getting through me.

- it's hard to reconcile gavial's actions and reactions to it like [urlhttps://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2150&start=700#p816294]735[/url]; there were clear like, impacts made by how he behaved in his tunneling and i'm having an issue trying to figure out if like, this behavior is "bad" ie scummy but not really elaborating on it is meh.

- wiml feels town. idk. i'm tired.

- kza has passable vibes but i can't remember much before their posts around 780. decent vote sick avatar we love mari. null.

- 978????? what??

- 1057; so. i find it interesting how wurz frames his lower tier reads as anti-town rather as scum, because there's like a subtle difference to me in that the latter has more conviction and it feels more like you're actively trying to solve. anti-town is a broad thing to say about someone and it doesn't intrinsically mean that someone is a wolf/etc. the fact that he calls nanook sus also means that he's clearly thinking about the difference between "bad for town" and "bad for town because this person could be a wolf." but is content to not really... dive deeper yet of the motivations of gav/falcon to see if the things they were doing were just annoying/hard to deal with or actually bad. it's a lazy sort that doesn't give much information at all and is littered with a wishy-washy mindset to boot. bad.

- if i am wrong on any of my reads so far i am going to trust long con because ours feel inverse in 1082 and it was curious to realize.

okay thank god i'm done because i'm so tired, i hate reading trhough threads like this.

town: alison, creature, herm, wiml

wolves: esooa/dusk/ender(?)/falco(?)

3p: hk

everyone not mentioned is varying shades of null to my tired mind.

[Timsup2nothin]

well this is all very exciting

a day one chop of a 3P claim is not gonna make catching up through the night phase really productive, but HK seems to have his heart set on getting chopped here

for the record, anyone who is thinking "well he might flip wolf"...there may be a flying pigbird that sprouted wings in the game too, but it ain't likely

other than that, not much in what little I have read seems very indicative of anything

[Wiml]

Gavial looks town.
Creature's reaction could be wolfy. He leans into complaining about the existence of a Survivor role, but he's also pushing for HK's chop in a vague way. He's quick to defend Gavial as town when falcon swoops in.
Falcon immediately went for Gavial's throat, and his reasoning would be good if it weren't Gavial posting it. Townlean for that.
Wiml doesn't engage with the claim at all, and gives Gavial a townread for Duskfall, then says he's ignoring him. Not sure what that means. Light scumlean.
Duskfall keeps hunting, I like the look.

Oh yeah, I just started judging them, and I forgot your exact question. I agree that Creature could be mafia if HK is mafia.

Not seeing the Nanook angle.

Wurzel's reaction was strange and seemed to indicate he thinks HK is actually town. Maybe you are just saying that based on your earlier suspicion?

I have already explained my stance on the claim: confident HK is out of wolf meta, think we should policy the 3p claim. Told Gavial I was going to ignore them because I was not continuing playing this game if I had to deal with them. I don't see why you're leaning me scum and falcon town (because falcon went for gavial's throat) when I believe that it was my criticism of gavial's case multiple times that started their mad push on HK.

[Wiml]

Feels like Long Con had just consigned himself to just getting elimned at some point during the game and I want to call that towny.

Going to read the meta they linked when I get chance.

LC/Wiml team?

I don't get why this makes them teamed

Mostly a joke, but it's not uncommon for team to go "X is maybe town for x reason, gotta reread just to make sure."

Giving themselves the "unsure" angle.

But seriously, I wasn't actually hard suggesting an LC/WIML team.

If it makes you feel better, I say this a lot. I'm generally a pretty meta-heavy player.

[Wiml]

List of TOWN and not TOWN

Ydrasse - - - feels like Town
Falcon - - - claimed Villager

Ender - - - possibly Town
Timsup4nothin - - - possibly Town
Wiml - - - possibly Town

KZA - - - 50% change of Town
Duskfall - - - cloudy with occassional Town

Wurzeloni - - - NO READ
Creature - - - NO READ
Orangecrush - - - NO READ
NANOOK - - - NO READ

Alison - - - Very hard to read
Long Con - - - Also hard to read but feels slightly more Town atm
Sig - - - No clue

Lost Monkey - - - Super Lurker

Hollowkatt - - - 3P Survivor

Would you be able to explain why you read me town even though I'm pushing you please?

[Wiml]

Maybe hk is a jester

Thinking the same

Pretty confident he isn't from how he played (before we get into setup balance).

[Wiml]

Victory conditions: Wolves require parity with town at day start. Town requires the elimination of all wolves.

Wait maybe it is confirmed that this setup only has town and wolves?

If that's true lynching HK is even better.

It's pretty much win/winner for lynching HK rn.

I actually think HK is more likely a lying town than a lying wolf. He's way out of his scum meta here and was one of my top towns pre-claim.

[Wiml]

Off topic but ydrasse would you please tell me how you linked posts like that? That's usually how I write my cases on other sites and it was annoying to work around with my earlier cases.

[Wiml]

I'm slightly leaning Wurzel town right now (mostly for tone reasons but I think a few of his posts were slightly towny for him - mostly his post on Gavial being anti-town that shows some degree of genuine thought/investment in his reads which I think he struggles with as a wolf and his read on Esooa specifically tracks with what I would expect from him as town because I know he does actually believe that Esooa getting annoyed is town-indicative. Like yeah, I don't think his posting would be too hard to replicate as a wolf if he decided he wanted to try to exactly mimic his town game for some reason but it tracks pretty closely to how I would expect Wurzel to be posting if he were town.).

He's a very self aware town / makes posts that are very rigidly structured and I think people are picking that up as scum indicative of him when it's not. There are better ways to read him but I'll go into those later once he posts some more because I don't want to say "if Wurzel does X he's town" before he gets to doing that thing for obvious reasons. The last game we played together I had to spend all of D1 digging him out of a hole for similar reasons lol.

[EnderWiggin]

Victory conditions: Wolves require parity with town at day start. Town requires the elimination of all wolves.

Wait maybe it is confirmed that this setup only has town and wolves?

If that's true lynching HK is even better.

It's pretty much win/winner for lynching HK rn.

I actually think HK is more likely a lying town than a lying wolf. He's way out of his scum meta here and was one of my top towns pre-claim.

I mean, I agree cause I didn't scumread em either.

But anyway.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm slightly leaning Wurzel town right now (mostly for tone reasons but I think a few of his posts were slightly towny for him - mostly his post on Gavial being anti-town that shows some degree of genuine thought/investment in his reads which I think he struggles with as a wolf and his read on Esooa specifically tracks with what I would expect from him as town because I know he does actually believe that Esooa getting annoyed is town-indicative. Like yeah, I don't think his posting would be too hard to replicate as a wolf if he decided he wanted to try to exactly mimic his town game for some reason but it tracks pretty closely to how I would expect Wurzel to be posting if he were town.).

He's a very self aware town / makes posts that are very rigidly structured and I think people are picking that up as scum indicative of him when it's not. There are better ways to read him but I'll go into those later once he posts some more because I don't want to say "if Wurzel does X he's town" before he gets to doing that thing for obvious reasons. The last game we played together I had to spend all of D1 digging him out of a hole for similar reasons lol.

I don't think he's been super useful to town but I'm fine leaving him for now. I got bigger fish to fry and today is a wash.

[EnderWiggin]

i'm not good at catching up but i'll take some notes while i do:

1) before i even get started, the 3p thing regarding @HK -- i'm sorry if you felt forced by my slot-ancestor to out since i know 3p is very rare/fun to get to play (at least from what i've seen since i've never been lucky enough to get it OTL) but i'm probably going to vote you today barring a really good wolfread. which i don't know if i'll get since i have low confidence in really nailing someone as one, but. yeah. just wanted to apologize if my slot messed up your game. :/ fwiw if it was like, Good For Town tm i'd wish you could stay alive.

2) i guess a bit of an introduction wrt me and forum mafia: hi i'm ydrasse, i was invited to mafsynd, i play on mafiascum a lot. i've rolled scum more times than i have ever wanted in my life. my talents are looking very cute and towny and not getting voted out, usually. i'll probably be around when i'm not at work. please don't ask why i'm only catching up now.

okay anyways

- most of early game gives me nothing, the first thing i felt as a real ping was 71, i don't know why, the frustration feels slightly +town.

- 95 slightly? +town for alison? i have retrospect of knowing hk is 3p but alison outing that feels good knowing it'll come to fruition. also the fact that hk votes her in 97 makes me feel good about them not being aligned.

- herm identifying alison as town is nice (137). feel smart. feel good. herm gets a bit of trust.

- long con hopping onto hk isn't as towny as pointing it out but they're agreeing with the sentiment and pushing it through. so townpoints.

- 184 alison cementing self as most trusted town. this feels like a read i would make LMAO.

- i haven't really had any thoughts about esooa so far but 188 is the fun sort of pop in that i don't trust much? like it's a subtle way to undermine gavial's push in the way that while even i don't agree with it, it frames gavial as like... incorrect. i think this only matters if falcon actually is a wolf though and esooa's trying to poke a little bit at my slot. or i'm overthinking. i want to pretend i'm smart.

- 201 +wolf for ender without knowing how it's followed up on. i don't have much of a read on wurzel going through these old posts but, again, retrospect.

- 228 is interesting, because i feel like someone sees a slot that's been talked about to some degree and voices an opinion of the slot before they voice their meta ways of reading said person? even then it's followed up with "i don't have much of an opinion" skimming ahead in esooa's iso which is weird to me. maybe it's that esooa didn't express the same confidence following this as she could have knowing he's easy to locktown/lockscum for her? or i guess thinking about it a bit more, identifying someone's posts as weird feels like it could be a small tmi in that esooa knows that wurzel presents as scummy at times but knows his alignment or something and it fell through. idk. i don't trust this slot right now.

- creature feels a little towny. i don't have concrete reasons for this. the votes on him feel like lhf votes because he's not doing anything. it's an easy place for wolves to go to, and oh look, ender, esooa. i can feel myself starting to tunnel a bit going down to 264. going on this, 303 also makes me feel some kind of way. i do feel that ender's... eagerness? on page 7 is slightly +town though, throwing out pings to interact like that.

- 321. !

- i'm warming up to ender on page 8. he has this fun energy that feels like he's town pumped to do things here more than before. if i'm being suckered i'm glad it's by the passion to play but i'm going back and forth on this slot.

- tempted to sheep my slot-ancestor's read on falcon if only for lack of my own opinion there currently, he was positing them as a team but it could be groupscum and then the 3p. hk arguing earlier that they aren't paired with falcon looked genuine and like, clearly it's because it is but i don't think it excludes falcon.

- not sure what to make of wiml right now, on page 10. same with duskfall. i lied about duskfall i'm leery of people labeling a slot as "incorrect" or "misguided" etc etc because they know that like, they're not doing things scummy but idk. being able to say it without worrying /why/ someone is incorrect and if it's meaningful is a bad look. (505)

- 549 is EITHER +town or +scum for duskfall with the latter having a caveat of it being theater and that's the only way i'd frame it as scummy.

- I am very bad at this game if there isn't at least 1 scum in duskfall/ender/esooa.

- 626 compared to 641. hm.

- i don't know what isn't clicking about these scumreads on herm but they're not getting through me.

- it's hard to reconcile gavial's actions and reactions to it like [urlhttps://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2150&start=700#p816294]735[/url]; there were clear like, impacts made by how he behaved in his tunneling and i'm having an issue trying to figure out if like, this behavior is "bad" ie scummy but not really elaborating on it is meh.

- wiml feels town. idk. i'm tired.

- kza has passable vibes but i can't remember much before their posts around 780. decent vote sick avatar we love mari. null.

- 978????? what??

- 1057; so. i find it interesting how wurz frames his lower tier reads as anti-town rather as scum, because there's like a subtle difference to me in that the latter has more conviction and it feels more like you're actively trying to solve. anti-town is a broad thing to say about someone and it doesn't intrinsically mean that someone is a wolf/etc. the fact that he calls nanook sus also means that he's clearly thinking about the difference between "bad for town" and "bad for town because this person could be a wolf." but is content to not really... dive deeper yet of the motivations of gav/falcon to see if the things they were doing were just annoying/hard to deal with or actually bad. it's a lazy sort that doesn't give much information at all and is littered with a wishy-washy mindset to boot. bad.

- if i am wrong on any of my reads so far i am going to trust long con because ours feel inverse in 1082 and it was curious to realize.

okay thank god i'm done because i'm so tired, i hate reading trhough threads like this.

town: alison, creature, herm, wiml

wolves: esooa/dusk/ender(?)/falco(?)

3p: hk

everyone not mentioned is varying shades of null to my tired mind.

I was pretty sure previous slot of you was town so I'm happy to leave you on soft town after this reads list.

[Wiml]

I'm slightly leaning Wurzel town right now (mostly for tone reasons but I think a few of his posts were slightly towny for him - mostly his post on Gavial being anti-town that shows some degree of genuine thought/investment in his reads which I think he struggles with as a wolf and his read on Esooa specifically tracks with what I would expect from him as town because I know he does actually believe that Esooa getting annoyed is town-indicative. Like yeah, I don't think his posting would be too hard to replicate as a wolf if he decided he wanted to try to exactly mimic his town game for some reason but it tracks pretty closely to how I would expect Wurzel to be posting if he were town.).

He's a very self aware town / makes posts that are very rigidly structured and I think people are picking that up as scum indicative of him when it's not. There are better ways to read him but I'll go into those later once he posts some more because I don't want to say "if Wurzel does X he's town" before he gets to doing that thing for obvious reasons. The last game we played together I had to spend all of D1 digging him out of a hole for similar reasons lol.

I don't think he's been super useful to town but I'm fine leaving him for now. I got bigger fish to fry and today is a wash.

Yeah he's a LHF slot but that's sort of the point.

But I think that finding town within LHF slots is the single most powerful thing you can contribute to a game, more even than burying a wolf honestly. Because without intervention, I'm 90%+ sure that Wurzel gets eliminated this game and, if he's town, finding him removes a miselim the wolves are banking on ro succeed.

[Wiml]

@lost monkey are you around to talk?

[lost monkey]

@lost monkey are you around to talk?

Catching up.

[Don Wurzeloni]

Morning All

I think I'm going to start today by ISOing Ender to try to resolve his slot.

Nice to meet you Monkey

[Alison]

I'm prepared to trust Wiml's shield on Wurzel for a bit and pursue other suspects. I expect regular progress reports on Wurzel's alignment.

[lost monkey]

From the first few posts i have seen from alison, i am leaning town on her.