Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:46 am
I challenge anybody to look at KZA's 50+ post ISO and find me a something that meaningfully contributes to the game.
Let me have a go.
There's definitely not much to go on. The big drinking session probably didn't help!
@KZA why do you secretly town read Ender? Secret reads aren't much use to us.
Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:46 am
I challenge anybody to look at KZA's 50+ post ISO and find me a something that meaningfully contributes to the game.
I see you lack sufficient meta on me
I remember having a light town read on you early on in the last game we played together.
Would you mind linking some relevant meta here please?
Sure here's 5 job town ISOs
I could link you wolf games too but I'm always dead by the end of N1 because I'm useless at it
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:32 pm
Imagine ending in F3 with Dolby/Ace and the slot in which one of the heads literally got six-months banned because of the game.
Wait what, bans drama info please?
if you're really interested there's a bans thread on MU you can review. The gist is that one of the heads in that game was posting things that were inappropriate for a game thread
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:32 pm
Imagine ending in F3 with Dolby/Ace and the slot in which one of the heads literally got six-months banned because of the game.
Wait what, bans drama info please?
if you're really interested there's a bans thread on MU you can review. The gist is that one of the heads in that game was posting things that were inappropriate for a game thread
You mean the guy posting furry porn in-thread?
yeah, that's the one. I was trying to be discrete lol
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:14 pm
Town: Esooa, Herm, Ender, KZA and Creature
Ez.
Also dare I mention KZA went from Null Lean Scum to High Town real quick.
Shows that if I have any town in my scum reads they can get out just like KZA.
This is pretty wolfy. He's laid out intentionally a read shift, so as to give proof that he does have read shifts. This is unnecessary, especially since he's claimed a PR. Hard oversell
He played the exact same way in elder scrolls and went after the people who he thought were scum the exact same way So why do you have him as scum here?
Seth/glav is like one of those players who is eternal lhf, he plays the game like what he says will always be correct and why his reads don't exist doesn't matter to him.
If he decides to flip his read he will believe that is true, because he convinces himself everything he says is accurate because he said it. He doesn't work off his reads being good because he has good logic or reasoning etc. He believes his reads are good because he is good, which means that his reasoning will always crumble and he will fail to make any sort of sense as town, you can't follow his logic like most players who are trying to find what is correct because he skips the whole finding part and goes straight to "I'm correct".
Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:46 am
I challenge anybody to look at KZA's 50+ post ISO and find me a something that meaningfully contributes to the game.
Let me have a go.
There's definitely not much to go on. The big drinking session probably didn't help!
@KZA why do you secretly town read Ender? Secret reads aren't much use to us.
Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:46 am
I challenge anybody to look at KZA's 50+ post ISO and find me a something that meaningfully contributes to the game.
I see you lack sufficient meta on me
I remember having a light town read on you early on in the last game we played together.
Would you mind linking some relevant meta here please?
Sure here's 5 job town ISOs
I could link you wolf games too but I'm always dead by the end of N1 because I'm useless at it
I skimmed the first page of all of the games you linked and I think the quality of your entrances varies a lot between them. Some you entered and were immediately solvey off the bat and a couple (Spiderman in particular) weren't great either so I'm considering that this might not be AI for you after all?
When you said earlier that I wasn't aware of your meta, were you insinuating that you don't have these sort of entrances as a wolf or just that it's NAI for you?
Duskfall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:05 pm
Seth/glav is like one of those players who is eternal lhf, he plays the game like what he says will always be correct and why his reads don't exist doesn't matter to him.
If he decides to flip his read he will believe that is true, because he convinces himself everything he says is accurate because he said it. He doesn't work off his reads being good because he has good logic or reasoning etc. He believes his reads are good because he is good, which means that his reasoning will always crumble and he will fail to make any sort of sense as town, you can't follow his logic like most players who are trying to find what is correct because he skips the whole finding part and goes straight to "I'm correct".
Duskfall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:05 pm
Seth/glav is like one of those players who is eternal lhf, he plays the game like what he says will always be correct and why his reads don't exist doesn't matter to him.
If he decides to flip his read he will believe that is true, because he convinces himself everything he says is accurate because he said it. He doesn't work off his reads being good because he has good logic or reasoning etc. He believes his reads are good because he is good, which means that his reasoning will always crumble and he will fail to make any sort of sense as town, you can't follow his logic like most players who are trying to find what is correct because he skips the whole finding part and goes straight to "I'm correct".
I think the slot was just super obvious town.
It was but my point still stands about glav saying he will flip any person's read is not scum indicative for him
Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:12 pm
Dusk, has your read on Esooa's slot changed si ce the events involving Gavial?
Nothing has happened to make me want to change, I think esooas reaction to me is one I see frequently among new communities where it's like "I don't really care what the new guy thinks" because he feels like my read is less relevant when others call him towny, which is fair assessment my read probably matters less. But in my experience ive found people treat me more like that when they are mafia than when they are town.
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:14 pm
Town: Esooa, Herm, Ender, KZA and Creature
Ez.
Also dare I mention KZA went from Null Lean Scum to High Town real quick.
Shows that if I have any town in my scum reads they can get out just like KZA.
This is pretty wolfy. He's laid out intentionally a read shift, so as to give proof that he does have read shifts. This is unnecessary, especially since he's claimed a PR. Hard oversell
He played the exact same way in elder scrolls and went after the people who he thought were scum the exact same way So why do you have him as scum here?
That's interesting, cuz the post you quoted has to do with how he's town solving, and has nothing to do with his scum hunting at all.
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:14 pm
Town: Esooa, Herm, Ender, KZA and Creature
Ez.
Also dare I mention KZA went from Null Lean Scum to High Town real quick.
Shows that if I have any town in my scum reads they can get out just like KZA.
This is pretty wolfy. He's laid out intentionally a read shift, so as to give proof that he does have read shifts. This is unnecessary, especially since he's claimed a PR. Hard oversell
He played the exact same way in elder scrolls and went after the people who he thought were scum the exact same way So why do you have him as scum here?
That's interesting, cuz the post you quoted has to do with how he's town solving, and has nothing to do with his scum hunting at all.
His general play not that post alone, you were acting like you haven't seen town gavial do stuff like this before and pretty much shading him since people didn't like his play.
Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:12 pm
Dusk, has your read on Esooa's slot changed si ce the events involving Gavial?
Nothing has happened to make me want to change, I think esooas reaction to me is one I see frequently among new communities where it's like "I don't really care what the new guy thinks" because he feels like my read is less relevant when others call him towny, which is fair assessment my read probably matters less. But in my experience ive found people treat me more like that when they are mafia than when they are town.
Thanks. I think Esooa is town but I at least understand what you're saying here.
Outside of Esooa/Tim, who are your strongest reads either way currently?
Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:46 am
I challenge anybody to look at KZA's 50+ post ISO and find me a something that meaningfully contributes to the game.
Let me have a go.
There's definitely not much to go on. The big drinking session probably didn't help!
@KZA why do you secretly town read Ender? Secret reads aren't much use to us.
Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:46 am
I challenge anybody to look at KZA's 50+ post ISO and find me a something that meaningfully contributes to the game.
I see you lack sufficient meta on me
I remember having a light town read on you early on in the last game we played together.
Would you mind linking some relevant meta here please?
Sure here's 5 job town ISOs
I could link you wolf games too but I'm always dead by the end of N1 because I'm useless at it
I skimmed the first page of all of the games you linked and I think the quality of your entrances varies a lot between them. Some you entered and were immediately solvey off the bat and a couple (Spiderman in particular) weren't great either so I'm considering that this might not be AI for you after all?
When you said earlier that I wasn't aware of your meta, were you insinuating that you don't have these sort of entrances as a wolf or just that it's NAI for you?
I would consider it NAI, I can be pretty inconsistent.
I'm not great at evaluating my own meta but others have said I lack presence and kind of do my own thing in most cases. I'm also kind of silly as a player so sometimes I get scumread for being too serious.
Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:12 pm
Dusk, has your read on Esooa's slot changed si ce the events involving Gavial?
Nothing has happened to make me want to change, I think esooas reaction to me is one I see frequently among new communities where it's like "I don't really care what the new guy thinks" because he feels like my read is less relevant when others call him towny, which is fair assessment my read probably matters less. But in my experience ive found people treat me more like that when they are mafia than when they are town.
Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:46 am
I challenge anybody to look at KZA's 50+ post ISO and find me a something that meaningfully contributes to the game.
Let me have a go.
There's definitely not much to go on. The big drinking session probably didn't help!
@KZA why do you secretly town read Ender? Secret reads aren't much use to us.
Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:46 am
I challenge anybody to look at KZA's 50+ post ISO and find me a something that meaningfully contributes to the game.
I see you lack sufficient meta on me
I remember having a light town read on you early on in the last game we played together.
Would you mind linking some relevant meta here please?
Sure here's 5 job town ISOs
I could link you wolf games too but I'm always dead by the end of N1 because I'm useless at it
I skimmed the first page of all of the games you linked and I think the quality of your entrances varies a lot between them. Some you entered and were immediately solvey off the bat and a couple (Spiderman in particular) weren't great either so I'm considering that this might not be AI for you after all?
When you said earlier that I wasn't aware of your meta, were you insinuating that you don't have these sort of entrances as a wolf or just that it's NAI for you?
I would consider it NAI, I can be pretty inconsistent.
I'm not great at evaluating my own meta but others have said I lack presence and kind of do my own thing in most cases. I'm also kind of silly as a player so sometimes I get scumread for being too serious.
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:14 pm
Town: Esooa, Herm, Ender, KZA and Creature
Ez.
Also dare I mention KZA went from Null Lean Scum to High Town real quick.
Shows that if I have any town in my scum reads they can get out just like KZA.
This is pretty wolfy. He's laid out intentionally a read shift, so as to give proof that he does have read shifts. This is unnecessary, especially since he's claimed a PR. Hard oversell
He played the exact same way in elder scrolls and went after the people who he thought were scum the exact same way So why do you have him as scum here?
That's interesting, cuz the post you quoted has to do with how he's town solving, and has nothing to do with his scum hunting at all.
His general play not that post alone, you were acting like you haven't seen town gavial do stuff like this before and pretty much shading him since people didn't like his play.
This just shows you haven't gone thru my posts properly, as I mention those elements of Gav's game.
I called Gav out for very specific reasons, and not cuz others didn't like his play. You're putting as much thought into reading me as you are into your other reads you've posted.
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:48 amI'm prepared to trust Wiml's shield on Wurzel for a bit and pursue other suspects. I expect regular progress reports on Wurzel's alignment.
Why is that?
cos i think wiml is town and he's saying he knows wurzel and can read him well
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
