Bird Mafia [TOWN VICTORY]

[lost monkey]

I have never seen orange this lurky before.

What's your point. Answer carefully

Like i have never seen you lurk this much as either alignment, like what are you doing.

[Wiml]

How far behind are you with catching up orange? Do you need cliffs?

[Wiml]

@Herm where are you today?

[Wiml]

Nanook's ISO isn't bad, there's just not much there that I think is AI for him.

[Wiml]

Nanook's ISO isn't bad, there's just not much there that I think is AI for him.

His discrediting of Gavial's claim is probably the most interesting part of his ISO.

Nanook, would you mind explaining in more detail why Gavial's claim is >rand wolf from him? Particularly wrt when this has happened before?

[Wiml]

Wurzel I'll look at again if we get another town flip today but he's definitely not the move right now.

[Wiml]

Dusk, where are you leaning towards voting today currently?

[Wiml]

I'm pretty sure a Herm wagon is getting no steam today so I'm fine to solve around that somewhat.

I think his reactions to my questions yesterday (particularly when he said he forgot his read changed on the reads list he made) was awful though and shows that he wasn't putting any real concentration into them.

[Duskfall]

this game is feeling absolutely awful still btw

[Wiml]

LoMo can you talk me through the explanations for a couple of reads of your choice please?

[Wiml]

this game is feeling absolutely awful still btw

Definitely. And it feels like none of the PoE is bothering to play.

[Duskfall]

Dusk, where are you leaning towards voting today currently?

im kinda unsure im looking back towards dead players reads rn i kinda wanna necro sheep since im unsure

[Duskfall]

if the poe isnt bothering theres not much we can do, if they are mafia then good we kill them

if they are town then like, idk not much we can do if town isnt actively trying to win and like find mafia or get out of poe when they look like they are getting killed

[Wiml]

Dusk, where are you leaning towards voting today currently?

im kinda unsure im looking back towards dead players reads rn i kinda wanna necro sheep since im unsure

Yeah, I get that. Want to talk over anybody with me?

[Duskfall]

I haven't been impressed with KZA's posting. orangecrush completely dipped from the game thread.

My POE is something like: Herm, LoMo, KZA, orangecrush

Which is 3 slankers but I'm not getting bad vibes from the active posters so I think that's okay

Still skeeved out by a couple of nook's posts but his later days will be more telling probably. Wurzel shielded by Wiml and Creature shielded by nook for now so I'm excluding them for the moment, will circle back around to them later.

wanna sheep someone on this i think

probably herm or orange but thats not actively based on my reads i will admit

[Duskfall]

I think lomo is getting a pass because honestly id give a pass to anyone who is playing the game rn

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook's ISO isn't bad, there's just not much there that I think is AI for him.

His discrediting of Gavial's claim is probably the most interesting part of his ISO.

Nanook, would you mind explaining in more detail why Gavial's claim is >rand wolf from him? Particularly wrt when this has happened before?

Probably not gonna do that lol. He was open wolfing and yd basically is too, like they're nakedly mafia and idk why there's so much resistance to it

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

He probably did something weird with a claim in fallout idr

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

this game is feeling absolutely awful still btw

Why do you think I'm not here lol

[Duskfall]

this game is feeling absolutely awful still btw

Why do you think I'm not here lol

i thought you werent here because you werent really in the other game and just dont have time and/or are not currently tryharding games

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

this game is feeling absolutely awful still btw

Why do you think I'm not here lol

i thought you werent here because you werent really in the other game and just dont have time and/or are not currently tryharding games

I'm not really high posting but I normally still do behind the scenes stuff or whatever

I mean not in the 451 game cause chess was obvious town I could just sheep and my votes were clearing pretty quickly but

Yeah

I've just had zero desire to dig into this game so far, largely due to uh

Events on d1

I will if/when I have to but if you guys aren't gonna kill nakedly open mafia not much I can do lol

[Duskfall]

this game is feeling absolutely awful still btw

Why do you think I'm not here lol

i thought you werent here because you werent really in the other game and just dont have time and/or are not currently tryharding games

I'm not really high posting but I normally still do behind the scenes stuff or whatever

I mean not in the 451 game cause chess was obvious town I could just sheep and my votes were clearing pretty quickly but

Yeah

I've just had zero desire to dig into this game so far, largely due to uh

Events on d1

I will if/when I have to but if you guys aren't gonna kill nakedly open mafia not much I can do lol

You actually think you can read seth like that im p sure that is actually his town game and just wrote him off as town? havent even bothered with ydrasse

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If you feel the need to keep me in poe that's fine I doubt I post my way out, maybe I can get out eventually with flips or mech, idk

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

this game is feeling absolutely awful still btw

Why do you think I'm not here lol

i thought you werent here because you werent really in the other game and just dont have time and/or are not currently tryharding games

I'm not really high posting but I normally still do behind the scenes stuff or whatever

I mean not in the 451 game cause chess was obvious town I could just sheep and my votes were clearing pretty quickly but

Yeah

I've just had zero desire to dig into this game so far, largely due to uh

Events on d1

I will if/when I have to but if you guys aren't gonna kill nakedly open mafia not much I can do lol

You actually think you can read seth like that im p sure that is actually his town game and just wrote him off as town? havent even bothered with ydrasse

I mean idk he was doing the things he did when I've seen him as mafia and the claim thing is definitely right up his scum alley so. Yeah. Pretty much just want to kill him

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Id also be willing to kill orange

[lost monkey]

LoMo can you talk me through the explanations for a couple of reads of your choice please?

sure which ones?

[lost monkey]

I think lomo is getting a pass because honestly id give a pass to anyone who is playing the game rn

lol no, if you think i am scum over falcon, you should just go with it and vote.

[Duskfall]

If you feel the need to keep me in poe that's fine I doubt I post my way out, maybe I can get out eventually with flips or mech, idk

yeah idt you have been actively towny or mafia but i think you can vote your way out potentially if youre town

[Duskfall]

Id also be willing to kill orange

im down for orange

[Duskfall]

I think lomo is getting a pass because honestly id give a pass to anyone who is playing the game rn

lol no, if you think i am scum over falcon, you should just go with it and vote.

this unironically is a scummy post i think even though you vs falcon was something that never even crossed my mind till now as something that needed to contain mafia

voting orange rn

[lost monkey]

I think lomo is getting a pass because honestly id give a pass to anyone who is playing the game rn

lol no, if you think i am scum over falcon, you should just go with it and vote.

this unironically is a scummy post i think even though you vs falcon was something that never even crossed my mind till now as something that needed to contain mafia

voting orange rn

I dont know why it hasnt crossed your mind to something obvious in the thread but its okay. For me i dont see falcon being town and i think he feels the same way. The faster we end that, the faster we proceed.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Id also be willing to kill orange

im down for orange

Ok, sure

[Duskfall]

I think lomo is getting a pass because honestly id give a pass to anyone who is playing the game rn

lol no, if you think i am scum over falcon, you should just go with it and vote.

this unironically is a scummy post i think even though you vs falcon was something that never even crossed my mind till now as something that needed to contain mafia

voting orange rn

I dont know why it hasnt crossed your mind to something obvious in the thread but its okay. For me i dont see falcon being town and i think he feels the same way. The faster we end that, the faster we proceed.

in my experience and ive a lot of experience with this

two way tunnels at each other are bad and selfish play, very anti town, its optimal for the players to take a step back if others dont want to vote there and save your read for later not trying force town into kill your read or kill you

maybe youre right but maybe youre town with 1 wrong read, and the same for falcon

and if thats the case then forcing into killing one then the other is p much auto lose at this point, why should everyone else in the game decide to not be able to read the other 10 players in the game just because you cant discipline yourself and try solve the whole game instead of tunneling?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean idk what lomo is but im pretty sure falcon is town so

[Duskfall]

I mean idk what lomo is but im pretty sure falcon is town so

i agree with this btw

[lost monkey]

I read through herm's post not much there.

TOP 3 TOWN READS

Falcon - - - Claim with no pressure

Gavial/Ydrasse - - - Scumhunted right out of the bat, confident in reads, other posts feels like town, confident in reading me as town!!!

Wiml - - - questions me why I townread him makes me townread him even more, scum would not question other players townreading them, I didn't have a read on him when he voted me though

TOP 3 SCUM READS

Wurzel - - - catched up, explains why he had to catch up, says he's going to post reads, does this, disappears. Rinse, repeat. He was scumread by Alison pretty early, bit not sure if it's distancing or genuine yet. Sounds like Wurzel is scum to me though.

KZA - - - I haven't seen much town posts from her yet so slotting her down in the scum category for now. She did go to a party that she didn't enjoy and was confused by my post on Dolby at one point, but not sure if that is wolfy or nonwolfy.

Dolby/Sig - - - Probably scum

This read list is weird tbh.

[lost monkey]

I think lomo is getting a pass because honestly id give a pass to anyone who is playing the game rn

lol no, if you think i am scum over falcon, you should just go with it and vote.

this unironically is a scummy post i think even though you vs falcon was something that never even crossed my mind till now as something that needed to contain mafia

voting orange rn

I dont know why it hasnt crossed your mind to something obvious in the thread but its okay. For me i dont see falcon being town and i think he feels the same way. The faster we end that, the faster we proceed.

in my experience and ive a lot of experience with this

two way tunnels at each other are bad and selfish play, very anti town, its optimal for the players to take a step back if others dont want to vote there and save your read for later not trying force town into kill your read or kill you

maybe youre right but maybe youre town with 1 wrong read, and the same for falcon

and if thats the case then forcing into killing one then the other is p much auto lose at this point, why should everyone else in the game decide to not be able to read the other 10 players in the game just because you cant discipline yourself and try solve the whole game instead of tunneling?

I have no problem with taking a step back but will eventually come to it. Who are we lynching then herm? Orange? Wurzel? Nanook?

[Duskfall]

i mean im clearly not the person to be sheeping this game but im on orange rn

[Don Wurzeloni]

Here is my updated reads list

Duskfall - lock town
Tim - town (through gritted teeth) mainly due to Essoa
WIML - still towny. One of the main players driving the game forward
Lost Monkey - lean town. Getting good vibes from him
Nanook - lean town. Getting much better vibes from him today

Herm - null - has gone completely AWOL
Marmot - null - giving a day pass as just subbed in
Creature - null
Orangecrush - null - a priority to ISO this evening as currently under threat

Falcon - lean scum - bad vibes but need to ISO properly
SIG - lean scum - didn’t like them refusing to provide reads (not helpful)
Ydrasse - My gut strongly says this slot is scum but I am hesitant to vote here because of the PR claim.

I’ll do some reading up and will vote later but it’s currently between the bottom 4

[Duskfall]

ok maybe wurzel is bad

[Creature]

ok maybe wurzel is bad

Yeah kinda worried about his picks for wolfreads

[Wiml]

Hello I tripped and fell into nettles what did I miss?

[Wiml]

LoMo can you talk me through the explanations for a couple of reads of your choice please?

sure which ones?

Anything you haven't talked about in length but feel strongly about please!

[Wiml]

Here is my updated reads list

Duskfall - lock town
Tim - town (through gritted teeth) mainly due to Essoa
WIML - still towny. One of the main players driving the game forward
Lost Monkey - lean town. Getting good vibes from him
Nanook - lean town. Getting much better vibes from him today

Herm - null - has gone completely AWOL
Marmot - null - giving a day pass as just subbed in
Creature - null
Orangecrush - null - a priority to ISO this evening as currently under threat

Falcon - lean scum - bad vibes but need to ISO properly
SIG - lean scum - didn’t like them refusing to provide reads (not helpful)
Ydrasse - My gut strongly says this slot is scum but I am hesitant to vote here because of the PR claim.

I’ll do some reading up and will vote later but it’s currently between the bottom 4

I've got some reservations about this list.

Wurzel, you have 8 players listed as either null or that you're reading because of "vibes". Could you go into more detail about what you mean by vibes their please? Or explain each "vibes" read in more detail please?

[Wiml]

So here are my initial thoughts and reads:

Finding the vibe here very different to MU. If MU is like afternoon tea at Claridge’s, this place is like a pool bar coming up to closing time

WIML – Feels pretty towny as usual (although he is generally towny). Likely to resolve later on
Esooa slot – Lean town. Esooa gets more wound up when she is town
Alison – getting good vibes so far (although I haven’t seen her wolf yet)

HK – 3p as claimed

Ender – several of his posts have pinged me but I am not quite sure enough to scum read yet

Falcon – early town PR claiming is anti-town
Gavial slot – his behaviour was massively anti-town
Nanook – His claimed PR sounds incredibly suss to me (do day cops even exist?) Feels like a good way to get a cheap town read

My own answer:

Top 3 town

Alison - Consistently good vibes from her.
Esooa slot - Esooa gets more wound up by things when town. Reminds me of how she played in our last game together when she was also town.
WIML - Feels pretty towny (as usual)

Top 3 scum

EnderWiggin - Has done nothing to convince me that my scum read was wrong. I strongly feel that it was a scumslip. Has also gone below the radar a bit today having been such a heavy poster yesterday
Gavial slot - Gavial's play was damaging both in terms of derailing the thread and the toxicity. I do like Ydrasse's first post but they need to do a lot to get this slot out of my POE
Nanook - I don't like the fake claims and feel his play has been scummy so far (although that is often the case for his d1s)

[Wiml]

So here are my initial thoughts and reads:

Finding the vibe here very different to MU. If MU is like afternoon tea at Claridge’s, this place is like a pool bar coming up to closing time

WIML – Feels pretty towny as usual (although he is generally towny). Likely to resolve later on
Esooa slot – Lean town. Esooa gets more wound up when she is town
Alison – getting good vibes so far (although I haven’t seen her wolf yet)

HK – 3p as claimed

Ender – several of his posts have pinged me but I am not quite sure enough to scum read yet

Falcon – early town PR claiming is anti-town
Gavial slot – his behaviour was massively anti-town
Nanook – His claimed PR sounds incredibly suss to me (do day cops even exist?) Feels like a good way to get a cheap town read

My own answer:

Top 3 town

Alison - Consistently good vibes from her.
Esooa slot - Esooa gets more wound up by things when town. Reminds me of how she played in our last game together when she was also town.
WIML - Feels pretty towny (as usual)

Top 3 scum

EnderWiggin - Has done nothing to convince me that my scum read was wrong. I strongly feel that it was a scumslip. Has also gone below the radar a bit today having been such a heavy poster yesterday
Gavial slot - Gavial's play was damaging both in terms of derailing the thread and the toxicity. I do like Ydrasse's first post but they need to do a lot to get this slot out of my POE
Nanook - I don't like the fake claims and feel his play has been scummy so far (although that is often the case for his d1s)

Given these earlier posts I think Wurzel's progressions are actually fine. I'm more concerned that he's suddenly forgotten how to explain his reads? I thought maybe this was something I glossed over earlier that he was struggling with throughout but apparently not.

I'm going to wait for his response I think.

[Wiml]

Happy with orange/NANOOK wagons currently.

[orangecrush]

How far behind are you with catching up orange? Do you need cliffs?

That would be nice so that I can read them at work

[Wiml]

How far behind are you with catching up orange? Do you need cliffs?

That would be nice so that I can read them at work

Got it. Do you want them from game start or are you caught up to a certain point?

[orangecrush]

I have never seen orange this lurky before.

What's your point. Answer carefully

Like i have never seen you lurk this much as either alignment, like what are you doing.

I'm trying to be involved without having a lot of time

Do you think lurking makes me more or less likely to be scum