AtLA post-game (mafia win)

[IBA]

Pride is not the opposite of shame, but it’s source. True humility is the only antidote to shame.

I'd say erasure of ego but I guess that's p much the same thing, so, true

[NotAnAxehole]

@MacDougall
@EnderWiggin

Ok funnyman, plz vote Sig. Let's keep this party going

[NotAnAxehole]

@IBA you need to use the pole, the text vote feature laughably does nothing.

Way to ruin it.

I mean, I don't often complain about site features, but that's probably because I'm from a feature rich forum which has turned me into this entitled little prick.

Back in my day we counted votes manually and the players actively participated with vote counts. UPHILL. BOTH WAYS.

I played in a Sesame Street game and the Count was required to keep up with the vote tally and regularly post it with an ah ah ah.

Honestly, that's beautiful.

And then Big Bird decapitated a man with a stop sign.

Jack, you know the drill, it's time to get onboard with the wagon.

[IBA]

IBA is not the person to be having discussions about views on the game. He has obtuse ones and will defend them as though they are empirical. Anyone who engages him on this who knows him is probably looking for reasons to upset the gamestate.

Right so this is the problem with townleaders, you think it is not only reasonable but optimal for you to dictate what other people think, and anyone who opposes this is either scum or a noob.

But mafia is a game about consensus building. This is why you lose games for towns, short of just when you're a wolf I guess, because trying to assume decision-making for the entire town doesn't work. It's open to manipulation from every angle by scum, even when the self-appointed townleader IS town, and you're neutering one of the town's biggest weapons which is the wisdom of crowds.

I dispute your characterisation and I have won more town games than I've lost and I've played a lot dude. You are casting a lot of judgement for a person who read a single game of mine. It would be discerning to withhold judgement pending some statistically viable data.

I am not someone who approaches games with the same mentality every time. I also have changed a great deal as a player since then. I'd appreciate if you would give me the benefit of the doubt on this otherwise this game will be a suckfest.

I apologise for being callous in my reaction.

Yeah that's fair. I'll try to keep an open mind and have at least gotten it out of my system. Those cards on the table, though, regardless of personality, I feel and will act generally on my belief that deferring to any real or perceived "leader" or authority as town is a bad strategy and bad gameplay, just as a simple matter of decision-making, and this is just as a strategy and nonwithstanding my RL position as an anarcho-communist, which may or may not be a factor in that.

Long story short I'm up for trying to be more productive etc. but I'm not gonna play ball with the idea that anyone should be deferring to anyone else's judgments per se.

eh just forget what I said after you brought up the champs game it was hostile defensiveness all the way down

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In fairness I do actually agree that I played like shit and as HK will attest that game was part of my motivation to radically re-assess my strategy as town and adopt one that's more uh

I always get made fun of for this because it sounds pretentious and I guess it is, but I strive to be more Daoist and try to divorce myself from ego in my town play now. Including and actually very much focused on letting go of the illusion of control via narratives and trying to focus on holistic gut reads

That being said it still doesn't do much d1 which is usually a shit show no matter what you do honestly

[NotAnAxehole]

@Felicis I know you're reading, last chance to change the associative you have with Sig.

[MacDougall]

its so far from eod so I am not sure why you're trying so hard

[EnderWiggin]

Yeah that's fair. I'll try to keep an open mind and have at least gotten it out of my system. Those cards on the table, though, regardless of personality, I feel and will act generally on my belief that deferring to any real or perceived "leader" or authority as town is a bad strategy and bad gameplay, just as a simple matter of decision-making, and this is just as a strategy and nonwithstanding my RL position as an anarcho-communist, which may or may not be a factor in that.

Long story short I'm up for trying to be more productive etc. but I'm not gonna play ball with the idea that anyone should be deferring to anyone else's judgments per se.

Honestly, I don't believe anyone should defer to other people's judgement either.

Compromise between town can be important, but that's more agreement than "Follow".

Even townclear by cop can be an idiot.

The only exception is games with private communication when a townclear gets a network.

But tbh I prefer no free private comms.

[Guillotine]

@IBA you need to use the pole, the text vote feature laughably does nothing.

Way to ruin it.

I mean, I don't often complain about site features, but that's probably because I'm from a feature rich forum which has turned me into this entitled little prick.

[MacDougall]

I didn't really intend to suggest anyone need defer to me in this game.

[NotAnAxehole]

its so far from eod so I am not sure why you're trying so hard

I don't understand this line of thought when we have caught scum what do you expect to accomplish in the additional time other than bicker with IBA, make peace (or not) and eventually vote Sig anyway.

[NotAnAxehole]

@IBA you need to use the pole, the text vote feature laughably does nothing.

Way to ruin it.

I mean, I don't often complain about site features, but that's probably because I'm from a feature rich forum which has turned me into this entitled little prick.

Ye boi, plz vote Sig now. Ty

[NotAnAxehole]

Yeah that's fair. I'll try to keep an open mind and have at least gotten it out of my system. Those cards on the table, though, regardless of personality, I feel and will act generally on my belief that deferring to any real or perceived "leader" or authority as town is a bad strategy and bad gameplay, just as a simple matter of decision-making, and this is just as a strategy and nonwithstanding my RL position as an anarcho-communist, which may or may not be a factor in that.

Long story short I'm up for trying to be more productive etc. but I'm not gonna play ball with the idea that anyone should be deferring to anyone else's judgments per se.

Honestly, I don't believe anyone should defer to other people's judgement either.

Compromise between town can be important, but that's more agreement than "Follow".

Even townclear by cop can be an idiot.

The only exception is games with private communication when a townclear gets a network.

But tbh I prefer no free private comms.

BB plz, I stopped tunneling for you.

[KZA]

idk if you're trying to get a hammer but we kind of need to make sure there's a clear 2nd for the extra chop

[EnderWiggin]

its so far from eod so I am not sure why you're trying so hard

I don't understand this line of thought when we have caught scum what do you expect to accomplish in the additional time other than bicker with IBA, make peace (or not) and eventually vote Sig anyway.

Or maybe we can have further discussions that we can look back over later?

Town's communication happens during day phases. Ending those phases pre-maturely isn't great.

Also second wagon needs to be confirmed.

[EnderWiggin]

Yeah that's fair. I'll try to keep an open mind and have at least gotten it out of my system. Those cards on the table, though, regardless of personality, I feel and will act generally on my belief that deferring to any real or perceived "leader" or authority as town is a bad strategy and bad gameplay, just as a simple matter of decision-making, and this is just as a strategy and nonwithstanding my RL position as an anarcho-communist, which may or may not be a factor in that.

Long story short I'm up for trying to be more productive etc. but I'm not gonna play ball with the idea that anyone should be deferring to anyone else's judgments per se.

Honestly, I don't believe anyone should defer to other people's judgement either.

Compromise between town can be important, but that's more agreement than "Follow".

Even townclear by cop can be an idiot.

The only exception is games with private communication when a townclear gets a network.

But tbh I prefer no free private comms.

BB plz, I stopped tunneling for you.

Yo. Second wagon before we talk of hammers my dude.

[NotAnAxehole]

idk if you're trying to get a hammer but we kind of need to make sure there's a clear 2nd for the extra chop

Honestly, I thought coordinating 1 chop would be impossible, now that we're almost there, I can't be arsed thinking about a second chop, it's not like lomo deserves to live based on the event.

[KZA]

idk if you're trying to get a hammer but we kind of need to make sure there's a clear 2nd for the extra chop

Honestly, I thought coordinating 1 chop would be impossible, now that we're almost there, I can't be arsed thinking about a second chop, it's not like lomo deserves to live based on the event.

or based on his ISO

[EnderWiggin]

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Here let's get a better second wagon going.

[Guillotine]

Spoiler: show

@IBA you need to use the pole, the text vote feature laughably does nothing.

Way to ruin it.

I mean, I don't often complain about site features, but that's probably because I'm from a feature rich forum which has turned me into this entitled little prick.

Ye boi, plz vote Sig now. Ty

[NotAnAxehole]

I mean, TSP second wagon is ideal, but allow me to doubt 2 good wagons getting through at deadline.

[NotAnAxehole]

idk if you're trying to get a hammer but we kind of need to make sure there's a clear 2nd for the extra chop

Honestly, I thought coordinating 1 chop would be impossible, now that we're almost there, I can't be arsed thinking about a second chop, it's not like lomo deserves to live based on the event.

or based on his ISO

Exactly, so no harm no foul.

[MacDougall]

I mean, TSP second wagon is ideal, but allow me to doubt 2 good wagons getting through at deadline.

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm not used to playing with such hesitant players who give scum room to play tbh.

[MacDougall]

I'm not used to playing with such hesitant players who give scum room to play tbh.

how is sig outed mafia exactly?

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm not used to playing with such hesitant players who give scum room to play tbh.

how is sig outed mafia exactly?

It's this tingling sensation in my anus

[Felicis]

@Felicis I know you're reading, last chance to change the associative you have with Sig.

?

What do you mean? I have voted lomo for now but I don't really understand why that would mean anything about me and Sig at this point tho? Also I'm not sure I get this wording, did you mean to say "last chance to change the association you have with Sig?", i.e. was it a typo?

[MacDougall]

I'm not used to playing with such hesitant players who give scum room to play tbh.

how is sig outed mafia exactly?

It's this tingling sensation in my anus

@Jackofhearts2005 can you add tingling anus reads to our community book of memes plz

[NotAnAxehole]

@Felicis I know you're reading, last chance to change the associative you have with Sig.

?

What do you mean? I have voted lomo for now but I don't really understand why that would mean anything about me and Sig at this point tho? Also I'm not sure I get this wording, did you mean to say "last chance to change the association you have with Sig?", i.e. was it a typo?

I vote Sig, he flips mafia, I vote you tomorrow by association, not sure how I could make that more clear.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: LoMo] aubergine

[EnderWiggin]

I'm not used to playing with such hesitant players who give scum room to play tbh.

how is sig outed mafia exactly?

It's this tingling sensation in my anus

Okay.

[NotAnAxehole]

Alright, see y'all day 2. Don't suddenly implode on yourselves, stick to the Sig vote.

[NotAnAxehole]

I feel like this game is going to be over by PoE once Sig flips mafia (falcon vote is hilarious).

[NotAnAxehole]

Good night wolves, please don't kill me, I need to use my role. If you're serving out soup tonight, I like chicken rice soup... Home made, plz make the extra effort, it's not that fucking hard.

[Guillotine]

[Felicis]

@Felicis I know you're reading, last chance to change the associative you have with Sig.

?

What do you mean? I have voted lomo for now but I don't really understand why that would mean anything about me and Sig at this point tho? Also I'm not sure I get this wording, did you mean to say "last chance to change the association you have with Sig?", i.e. was it a typo?

I vote Sig, he flips mafia, I vote you tomorrow by association, not sure how I could make that more clear.

Lol well you could stand to make it clearer, because I'm not sure where I've shown that I'm associated with Sig? I said extreeeeeeemely early on that I liked something he said but then reverted to a meh read cuz he didn't make me feel super towny anymore, just null, meh. I responded to I think HK about that earlier as well when they asked me about Sig. But you do you I guess?

[IBA]

I feel like this game is going to be over by PoE once Sig flips mafia (falcon vote is hilarious).

Wildly optimistic but feels townie too

[IBA]

I'm not trying to kinkshame but this isn't the time or the place

[Guillotine]

I'm not trying to kinkshame but this isn't the time or the place

[KZA]

I'm not trying to kinkshame but this isn't the time or the place

Guillo is presenting all of his reads in that manner so enjoy

[Felicis]

@NotAnAxehole My vote is on lomo for the event thing, but like, it's not set in stone, that could change there's 12 hours till EOD, I'll be up in the morning. You yourself said that lomo getting yeeted would be no harm no foul though and you already have a leading wagon on Sig so I'm not sure why you need my vote or would automatically associate me with Sig for voting lomo instead right now. I don't think you're scummy, I just don't really get it lol

[MacDougall]

@Seanzie @lost monkey @MartinGG99 @Naviya @falcon45ca

gth reads on each other plz

[Felicis]

I'm back in guillo's yiff orgy, I guess.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm back in guillo's yiff orgy, I guess.

"Guillo's yiff orgy" is the most cursed sentence of this game.

[KZA]

@Seanzie @lost monkey @MartinGG99 @Naviya @falcon45ca

gth reads on each other plz

what about Dana imo

[Felicis]

@Seanzie @lost monkey @MartinGG99 @Naviya @falcon45ca

gth reads on each other plz

what about Dana imo

I think this might just be for the people in the event for now if I'm understanding Mac's post

[Felicis]

Dana wasn't super pinging me tho, what are your Dana vibes?

[KZA]

@Seanzie @lost monkey @MartinGG99 @Naviya @falcon45ca

gth reads on each other plz

what about Dana imo

I think this might just be for the people in the event for now if I'm understanding Mac's post

oh

"the event"

[KZA]

Dana wasn't super pinging me tho, what are your Dana vibes?

idk they're a random null slot nobody was talking about so I said it

[MacDougall]

@Seanzie @lost monkey @MartinGG99 @Naviya @falcon45ca

gth reads on each other plz

what about Dana imo

yes the event

[Felicis]

I also am probably gonna sleeeeeep soon but like I said earlier to axe I've gotta be up in the morning for a doctor's appointment and stuff, so I'll be able to check the thread and ought to be around for EoD