AtLA post-game (mafia win)

[Jackofhearts2005]

It’s my birthday and I won’t be so active today.

At mention me.

Why LC? Why Grogu? Other than the hammer (which I think is not scum indicative for her), why Doom?

Any Mac spew besides IBA (rip iirc) and TSP town?

Somebody wanna walk me through their progression on Martin? He seemed real town D1. Then a buncha people called him sus and then he seemed to have disappeared (or we weren’t online at the same time). Gth townlean but I wanna understand the pushes there better.

Seriously @ Jackofhearts2005 me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Which reminds me @DaughterOfOmega have you read Hickman’s Fantastic Four? I wrote a mafia game based on it but it needed some tweeking and it was super self indulgent so I never ran it but if more people like that kinda thing, I might resurrect it from the ashes of my notes.

[Guillotine]

What's the Mac spew so far?

Definitively IBA town, I don't know if there was anything else of note.

Mac spewed me town too.

[Guillotine]

@Dana, of course the decision to heal Justplayitcool rest in your hands but i would not if i was you.

Check this out.

If I was scum and saw that you flipped healer, i would not poison a townie and that is because it will automatically spew him town, scum have to avoid mech clears as much as possible.
Justplayingitcool has been a null all game. Why would scum choose to poison him? Instead of someone with a louder voice? They would not. But what i would do as scum is have the mafia poisoner poison me after your flip, to gambit a save that will mech clear me as town.

Now, i have another scenario. @NotAnAxehole didn't rolecop you but he rolecopped JPC and scum decided he will be the poisoned target today and decided to fake a redcheck on you, not knowing that you were a healer post morten for some unknown illogical reason. All of that instead of night killing JPC instead of IBA.. nah! It just takes too many illogical decisions to poison JPC there. No, scum gambit poisoned one of their own to mech clear him or a townie poisoned JPC, either way, the poison has to go through.

@Dana i confused Jackofhearts with JPC, replace Jack for JPC for true context

[Guillotine]

Ive been thinking about counterproductive things and realized…

Do you know what's counterproductive? Our lungs not being able to handle water when we are mostly made of water.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

After a long and arduous event, seanzie and notanaxehole return, looking battle tested and full of woe.

as a result of the event, @Creature has been shot and dies. He flips town:

Sokka
Emotional Support

You’re the group’s emotional backbone. Every night target someone to give them a pep talk. Good job!

You are town, good luck!

All votes for creature will be counted as no votes, and creatures vote will not be counted. Hammer remains at 10.

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@Vulgard
@falcon45ca
@Felicis
@Grogu
@Guillotine
@hollowkatt
@Jackofhearts2005
@Long Con
@boknows
@MartinGG99
@Naviya
@NotAnAxehole
@Seanzie
@daughterofomega
@TonyStarkPrime

[Guillotine]

Why creature man. Omg

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@Naviya has informed me they are unable to continue playing. As such, she has been modkilled--she will still win or lose with her alignment. She flips town:

Chit Sang
Riot Starter

You're really good at starting riots. Like, super good. During the first 24 hours of a day if you post "HEY EVERYONE, LET'S RIOT!" and tag the host, for the last 24 hours of the day there will be no hammer and the top two vote getters will die at end of day. Nice!

You are town, good luck!

Hammer remains at 10.

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@Vulgard
@falcon45ca
@Felicis
@Grogu
@Guillotine
@hollowkatt
@Jackofhearts2005
@Long Con
@boknows
@MartinGG99
@NotAnAxehole
@Seanzie
@daughterofomega
@TonyStarkPrime

[Guillotine]

We yeet martin today.

[Guillotine]

Choo choo martin now.

[Guillotine]

Never mind. We kill Axe

[BoKnows]

Will we lost two townies just now.

[BoKnows]

That sucks

[NotAnAxehole]

Why creature man. Omg

I said vig martin is probably our highest probability of wining

Seanzie said not martin

Seanzie said vig long con

I said not long con

I said vig one of

Creature
Martin
Doo
Naviya
HK
Falcon

Seanzie said vig creature

[NotAnAxehole]

GG I resign it's hard to play with townies who roll over and other townies who want a policy kill. I don't know how to read this game clearly.

Oh, I also said TSP probs mafia but don't vig him.

[Long Con]

Why not long con?

[NotAnAxehole]

Why not long con?

When Mac gave you a layup by trying to include you in the game D1 you were just like "Nah" felt very not SvS

[NotAnAxehole]

#1309 I think but I don't have the log anymore.

[Long Con]

Which reminds me @DaughterOfOmega have you read Hickman’s Fantastic Four? I wrote a mafia game based on it but it needed some tweeking and it was super self indulgent so I never ran it but if more people like that kinda thing, I might resurrect it from the ashes of my notes.

In case anyone is interested, read it here: https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Fantas ... Collection

[NotAnAxehole]

Oh yeah, I also said seanzie could vig anyone including me, and he chose to reach a concensus instead

[NotAnAxehole]

Never mind. We kill Axe

Lolno

[Guillotine]

Why creature man. Omg

I said vig martin is probably our highest probability of wining

Seanzie said not martin

Seanzie said vig long con

I said not long con

I said vig one of

Creature
Martin
Doo
Naviya
HK
Falcon

Seanzie said vig creature

And you just listened to him? The one who didn't want to get copped? The one who LoMo saved by voting Falcon?
Really? Get wrecked!

[NotAnAxehole]

Why creature man. Omg

I said vig martin is probably our highest probability of wining

Seanzie said not martin

Seanzie said vig long con

I said not long con

I said vig one of

Creature
Martin
Doo
Naviya
HK
Falcon

Seanzie said vig creature

And you just listened to him? The one who didn't want to get copped? The one who LoMo saved by voting Falcon?
Really? Get wrecked!

You could have voted him at any time over the past 3 days and still are not. Get wrecked?

[Guillotine]

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Why creature man. Omg

I said vig martin is probably our highest probability of wining

Seanzie said not martin

Seanzie said vig long con

I said not long con

I said vig one of

Creature
Martin
Doo
Naviya
HK
Falcon

Seanzie said vig creature

And you just listened to him? The one who didn't want to get copped? The one who LoMo saved by voting Falcon?
Really? Get wrecked!

You could have voted him at any time over the past 3 days and still are not. Get wrecked?

I have had other priorities such as getting your scummy ass over the edge.

[Guillotine]

If axe is not getting yeeted today it means that we lost majority and that this is a goddamn multiball game, because there is no way town is so blind to not see how Axe is destroying us.

[Guillotine]

[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

[NotAnAxehole]

@Guillotine I actually think the fact that you being unwilling to consider reason at all costs is extremely scummy and I am only taking you as town because it feels like my win condition depends on it.

Everyone sees your stubborn stupidity as being towny, I kind of have to accept that's the case.

[Guillotine]

@Guillotine I actually think the fact that you being unwilling to consider reason at all costs is extremely scummy and I am only taking you as town because it feels like my win condition depends on it.

Everyone sees your stubborn stupidity as being towny, I kind of have to accept that's the case.

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Success

Congrats, now die and let us try to fix the mess you caused.

You can't fix it by killing me.

We can try and we will and if we can’t, we can always say that we lost because of you.

You can justify it however you want, it matters not to me.

I know and that is precisely the point. You don’t care for our wincon, you are essentially antitown regardless of your alignment.

If you are scum forget all that i said, cause i will understand why you did everything you did after game, in fact if you are i will want to rand scum with you in a future game, honest truth!

How about, if the vig shot Hits Mafia, we burry the hatchet, if it hits town, I'll vote for myself and we can lose

How about you just keep your damn word. Self vote now.

[Vulgard]

I hate this game so much.

Kill NAA already. The Creature shot and stuff is just him powerwolfing and trying to kill as many townies as possible.

[Vulgard]

Guillo is town, stop trying to kick them in the legs.

Get off Grogu, get off LC.

[NotAnAxehole]

@Guillotine I actually think the fact that you being unwilling to consider reason at all costs is extremely scummy and I am only taking you as town because it feels like my win condition depends on it.

Everyone sees your stubborn stupidity as being towny, I kind of have to accept that's the case.

Congrats, now die and let us try to fix the mess you caused.

You can't fix it by killing me.

We can try and we will and if we can’t, we can always say that we lost because of you.

You can justify it however you want, it matters not to me.

I know and that is precisely the point. You don’t care for our wincon, you are essentially antitown regardless of your alignment.

If you are scum forget all that i said, cause i will understand why you did everything you did after game, in fact if you are i will want to rand scum with you in a future game, honest truth!

How about, if the vig shot Hits Mafia, we burry the hatchet, if it hits town, I'll vote for myself and we can lose

How about you just keep your damn word. Self vote now.

I only vote people who I feel could be scum. The post I made was just to prime you to come off of me in case my hero play worked. I never intended to self-vote, that's stupid. Why would you believe that for a second?

[NotAnAxehole]

But yeah, I'm town and quite obviously so I feel. Sure I've been wrong a lot, but the play style is so different than what I'm accustomed to.

[Guillotine]

@Guillotine I actually think the fact that you being unwilling to consider reason at all costs is extremely scummy and I am only taking you as town because it feels like my win condition depends on it.

Everyone sees your stubborn stupidity as being towny, I kind of have to accept that's the case.

You can't fix it by killing me.

We can try and we will and if we can’t, we can always say that we lost because of you.

You can justify it however you want, it matters not to me.

I know and that is precisely the point. You don’t care for our wincon, you are essentially antitown regardless of your alignment.

If you are scum forget all that i said, cause i will understand why you did everything you did after game, in fact if you are i will want to rand scum with you in a future game, honest truth!

How about, if the vig shot Hits Mafia, we burry the hatchet, if it hits town, I'll vote for myself and we can lose

How about you just keep your damn word. Self vote now.

I only vote people who I feel could be scum. The post I made was just to prime you to come off of me in case my hero play worked. I never intended to self-vote, that's stupid. Why would you believe that for a second?

Of course I didn't I knew you were full of crap. You are outed scum and I just hope if we still hold majority that we yeet you today.

YEET AXE!!

[NotAnAxehole]

I think Guillotine joined this game saying I'm going to kill NOTANAXEHOLE and nothing will stop me. It's ridiculous, you can't even have a reasonable conversation with the guy.

[NotAnAxehole]

@Guillotine think about it, why would I do anything I've done this game as mafia? LMAO

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, if we're going to get technical about it, the only anti-town thing I've done is claim and hold a red check the d1 and the vig aren't entirely my fault and also not any worse than what anyone else did.

So, let's look at the red check... If Dana was mafia, the play is +EV, and if I consider you all to be dice throwing monkeys (which I did), then me claiming a red check is +EV unless there is a retribution kill against me which I didn't think was actually going to happen.

[Guillotine]

I think Guillotine joined this game saying I'm going to kill NOTANAXEHOLE and nothing will stop me. It's ridiculous, you can't even have a reasonable conversation with the guy.

I'm sorry but I don't negotiate with scum and I scum read you since day 1, I backed off on Day 2 cause by policy I had to believe you were outing a true redcheck, but you didn't. Everything you've done in this game is anti-town so the conclusion is that you are just mafia.

[NotAnAxehole]

So yeah, I've actually been playing to wincon, I don't know what the fuck you guys are doing @Guillotine @Vulgard . Literally not considering anything and blind retribution kill in potential LyLo is just brutal.

[Guillotine]

I'm gonna assume everything that Axe spouts from his mouth is just good old lolcatting and ignore it. I'm going to do some association analysis.

Grogu looks bad for starters, Axe vote on him is just bussing.

[NotAnAxehole]

I think Guillotine joined this game saying I'm going to kill NOTANAXEHOLE and nothing will stop me. It's ridiculous, you can't even have a reasonable conversation with the guy.

I'm sorry but I don't negotiate with scum and I scum read you since day 1, I backed off on Day 2 cause by policy I had to believe you were outing a true redcheck, but you didn't. Everything you've done in this game is anti-town so the conclusion is that you are just mafia.

"By Policy"

Well there's your problem.

[Guillotine]

So yeah, I've actually been playing to wincon, I don't know what the fuck you guys are doing @Guillotine @Vulgard . Literally not considering anything and blind retribution kill in potential LyLo is just brutal.

This is TMI. We don't know if we are at Lylo unless you know numbers, scum numbers.

[NotAnAxehole]

Like, in a game where roles were handed out before alignment, you thought there was an alignment checking role, how is that even on me?

[NotAnAxehole]

I just built a better case than Dana who rolled over.

[NotAnAxehole]

So yeah, I've actually been playing to wincon, I don't know what the fuck you guys are doing @Guillotine @Vulgard . Literally not considering anything and blind retribution kill in potential LyLo is just brutal.

This is TMI. We don't know if we are at Lylo unless you know numbers, scum numbers.

I mean I know there is a 1-shot killproof role in the game, and a roleblocked that claimed not to roleblock me, yet I was roleblocked.

So yeah there is a chance this is the end.

[Guillotine]

I'm not sure which is more scummy,

Guillotine being a memer that is excessively meming which seems like something a scum memer could get caught up in (or a disinterested towny).

Or EnderWiggin giving the excessive memer a town pass.

Probably the latter?

Why can't it just be Guillotine messing around d1?

I don't see how your question-hypothesis poses a contradiction to anything I said.

@MacDougall I know you're voting luckbox, but can you play devil's advocate for a second and give me a reason why I should town read him? I feel like there are a couple of meta options, I'll let you choose your approach though.

You're asking Mac for a reason why you should town read me when he's voting me?

Very astute observation. I will not bore you with my line of thinking as you probably have already deduced that as well.

Because Axe is scum of course.

[Guillotine]

I'm not sure which is more scummy,

Guillotine being a memer that is excessively meming which seems like something a scum memer could get caught up in (or a disinterested towny).

Or EnderWiggin giving the excessive memer a town pass.

Probably the latter?

Why can't it just be Guillotine messing around d1?

I don't see how your question-hypothesis poses a contradiction to anything I said.

@MacDougall I know you're voting luckbox, but can you play devil's advocate for a second and give me a reason why I should town read him? I feel like there are a couple of meta options, I'll let you choose your approach though.

[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

This is Mac telling StarV, "we need to distance because you are outing".

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm not sure which is more scummy,

Guillotine being a memer that is excessively meming which seems like something a scum memer could get caught up in (or a disinterested towny).

Or EnderWiggin giving the excessive memer a town pass.

Probably the latter?

Why can't it just be Guillotine messing around d1?

I don't see how your question-hypothesis poses a contradiction to anything I said.

@MacDougall I know you're voting luckbox, but can you play devil's advocate for a second and give me a reason why I should town read him? I feel like there are a couple of meta options, I'll let you choose your approach though.

You're asking Mac for a reason why you should town read me when he's voting me?

Very astute observation. I will not bore you with my line of thinking as you probably have already deduced that as well.

Because Axe is scum of course.

Sigh, try to critically analyse the game plz.

[Grogu]

We have a dayvig to publicly plan?

This is why I said: I literally cannot die. I leave the game but talk to aang and tell them my reads amd get to solve. I didn’t understand who aang was when I read my role. That’s why I realized later on my role was actually very important. I make aang stronger.
Good luck friends. I think killing me is the best play since axe has to be town also.
We need to look at the people like creature who jumped on me and long con.
Just very suspect, those would be the people I would vote but I don’t think we can change everyone mind.

Pretty sure that this is all bullshit, and Grogu is a wolf with Axe. What a world-view. "Two people who voted me are wolves, YAWN, ok, hard day's work, I'm done."

This would be so fake. He doesn’t believe this.
No way me and axe are wolves together

[NotAnAxehole]

We have a dayvig to publicly plan?

This is why I said: I literally cannot die. I leave the game but talk to aang and tell them my reads amd get to solve. I didn’t understand who aang was when I read my role. That’s why I realized later on my role was actually very important. I make aang stronger.
Good luck friends. I think killing me is the best play since axe has to be town also.
We need to look at the people like creature who jumped on me and long con.
Just very suspect, those would be the people I would vote but I don’t think we can change everyone mind.

Pretty sure that this is all bullshit, and Grogu is a wolf with Axe. What a world-view. "Two people who voted me are wolves, YAWN, ok, hard day's work, I'm done."

This would be so fake. He doesn’t believe this.
No way me and axe are wolves together

I mean, Guillo believes this.

[NotAnAxehole]

We have a dayvig to publicly plan?

This is why I said: I literally cannot die. I leave the game but talk to aang and tell them my reads amd get to solve. I didn’t understand who aang was when I read my role. That’s why I realized later on my role was actually very important. I make aang stronger.
Good luck friends. I think killing me is the best play since axe has to be town also.
We need to look at the people like creature who jumped on me and long con.
Just very suspect, those would be the people I would vote but I don’t think we can change everyone mind.

Pretty sure that this is all bullshit, and Grogu is a wolf with Axe. What a world-view. "Two people who voted me are wolves, YAWN, ok, hard day's work, I'm done."

This would be so fake. He doesn’t believe this.
No way me and axe are wolves together

I mean, Guillo believes this.

And I agree - no clue how they believe this