basic mafia [END]

[Alison]

Like you're not wrong that that's a pretty bad world for us to live in, but it's not like we're completely in the dark in that world. And in that world I don't see what we gain by exeing random afk players and dragging out the reveal that we're T/T, either.

[Luckbox Inc]

No I think having us both flip village would point pretty strongly to specific players. Mac, Ender, Nanook off the top of my head.

I'm sure you'e right somehow but what's the logic there?

[Dyslexicon]

I'm actually agreeing with Alison so

[Dyslexicon]

If Alison town, Nanook, Ender, Lu Ren on the top of my head

[Dyslexicon]

I also have gamestate takes

Can you please restate?

[NotAnAxehole]

Axe/Nanook have been pushing me continuously

I haven't even spared a thought for you in like the past 24 hours.

[Luckbox Inc]

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/searc ... &start=200

Alison iso in space invaders. She seems.....less villagery than here? Could be bias. Still need to read more

[NotAnAxehole]

I would vote BoKnows today actually, I think that's a good target

@MacDougall @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @falcon45ca @Luckbox Inc @Seanzie @Dyslexicon @Alison @Lu Ren

You are the players I would expect to vote there.

[Alison]

No I think having us both flip village would point pretty strongly to specific players. Mac, Ender, Nanook off the top of my head.

I'm sure you'e right somehow but what's the logic there?

Alison/Dizzy being T/T means scum have been outwitting the town and probably orchestrating events behind the scenes. Points to players that aren't really afk (since I doubt town would collapse that hard if the team is 3 afks), but aren't widely suspected. Those players would also probably be in favor of, or pushing an Alison/Dizzy dichotomy. These players fall into that category.

[NotAnAxehole]

Alison/Dizzy being T/T means scum have been outwitting the town

Can you stop? Most of my town reads are actually completely ignoring you two today. LOL

[Alison]

I would vote BoKnows today actually, I think that's a good target

@MacDougall @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @falcon45ca @Luckbox Inc @Seanzie @Dyslexicon @Alison @Lu Ren

You are the players I would expect to vote there.

I prefer to vote Dizzy over BK, especially because a BK townflip would leave the town stranded and the Alison/Dizzy dichotomy existent. However, I think BK's pretty wolfy and would be okay voting him if I had no other choice.

[Alison]

Alison/Dizzy being T/T means scum have been outwitting the town

Can you stop? Most of my town reads are actually completely ignoring you two today. LOL

I disagree with this assessment of the gamestate.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I would vote BoKnows today actually, I think that's a good target

@MacDougall @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @falcon45ca @Luckbox Inc @Seanzie @Dyslexicon @Alison @Lu Ren

You are the players I would expect to vote there.

Diz is probably town and vouches for them so thats a bit of hesitation, but yeah I'd vote for them if that's where we want to go

[Alison]

I would vote BoKnows today actually, I think that's a good target

@MacDougall @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @falcon45ca @Luckbox Inc @Seanzie @Dyslexicon @Alison @Lu Ren

You are the players I would expect to vote there.

Diz is probably town and vouches for them so thats a bit of hesitation, but yeah I'd vote for them if that's where we want to go

why is dizzy town again

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I would vote BoKnows today actually, I think that's a good target

@MacDougall @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @falcon45ca @Luckbox Inc @Seanzie @Dyslexicon @Alison @Lu Ren

You are the players I would expect to vote there.

Diz is probably town and vouches for them so thats a bit of hesitation, but yeah I'd vote for them if that's where we want to go

why is dizzy town again

Game state and tbh i still kinda think you're mafia

[NotAnAxehole]

Why are people still clinging to solo wagons? It's such bad play.

[NotAnAxehole]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Do you still think Mac is town? I've never seen him play forum, but like, I'm not seeing the cooperation I would expect.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Do you still think Mac is town? I've never seen him play forum, but like, I'm not seeing the cooperation I would expect.

I kinda do? Idk, sometimes it's hard to distinguish his scum play from his "I don't have enough time but im still going to try to lead this game" ego driven town play

But I think this is still his town game, enough that I'd give him a day pass and reconsider tomorrow

[Luckbox Inc]

"dunya I noticed your post about how my posts are too eloquently constructed and feel artificial and I don't really know how to respond to that except that all my posts are like that. I strive for logical rigor and consistency in basically everything I do, whether it be real life behavior, town, or mafia. I tend to adopt a more formal tone and that sometimes comes off as artificial or forced. That's all there is to it."

Found this from Alison in space invaders-- and yeah she's definitely a very good wolf but the Dunya read is correct, and I can feel it there in reading her iso. I don't have the same impression of her posts here. In one sense she's "less villagery" here than in that game, where there she is really going out of her way to interact with people, question them, and has long posts explaining her reads. There is less of that here and I don't see the aggression that she's had in this game in Space wars. Still reading it..

[NotAnAxehole]

I would vote BoKnows today actually, I think that's a good target

@MacDougall @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @falcon45ca @Luckbox Inc @Seanzie @Dyslexicon @Alison @Lu Ren

You are the players I would expect to vote there.

Diz is probably town and vouches for them so thats a bit of hesitation, but yeah I'd vote for them if that's where we want to go

why is dizzy town again

Game state and tbh i still kinda think you're mafia

I'm torn between level 0 player and mafia, but I'm currently leaning level 0, was previously leaning mafia. Consider I almost took her off of DOO, and onto me by saying something rude. Like, I initially misread that by thinking that she was able to evaluate NAI things, but upon my own re-evaluation, I think the NAI thing only came into play because the DOO read existed, and it was a decent/convenient justification for jumping back onto her first scum read. I think she would have gone full on tunnel vs me if it happened before the DOO argument... Instead I get locked into a town box because NAI over time just turns into towny along that same vein.

[Alison]

I'll probably have to go soon. Here's what I have. Going to keep it short and simple.

If you exe me, you should follow my reads. If you misexe me and then ignore my reads and then lose, you'll deserve it.

BK - I think BK's posting has been wolfy and the reasons given for why Belzy was townie have been weak. POE.
Dyslexicon - Turbo immediately if I die.
EnderWiggin - Was my #1 pick for deepwolf. I guess I can't call him deep any more since a wagon formed on him, but sentiment still remains. Outed wolf if Dizzy is town; lesser wolf equity but still possible wolf if Dizzy is wolf. Not a fan of backpedal on his read on me without a real explanation or progression. Rest of behavior is fine enough. Reaction test at start of game was good.
falcon45ca - Would towncore this. Angleshooting is too convoluted to be in his wolf range: he thinks in straight lines, not a tricksy player. My gut likes his tone anyway.
fingersplints - Not convinced splints has been as townie as some people (Mac) suggest. If Mac is a wolf, place heavy suspicion on this slot. POE for general inactivity; her stance about me could easily be TMI, and I don't think Dizzy's alignment changes my read on this slot much.
MacDougall - Probably outed if Dizzy/myself are T/T. In Dizzy scum worlds... hmm... keep him around and make him decide the day's exe and then exe him if he's too wrong. My current feel on him is that he's lightly town but I'm cautious because of his sudden dropoff in activity after coming in attacking Dizzy. It's compatible with a bus. I liked how he Alisonsided immediately but he hasn't really pushed it as hard as I think he would if he was town who found me. Overall take is that he's out of the POE for now but put your crosshairs on him if things go wrong because he's the most likely mastermind.
Lu Ren - Towncore. Posting has been super townie.
Luckbox Inc - Posting has been pretty thoughtful and nuanced this day phase. Has towntold a few times. I think this slot is town. Probably knocking on the door of the towncore if they aren't there already.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - POE slot. Not that convinced by his "I'd troll Axe" argument. Hasn't really done anything townie and has spent a lot of the time parked on someone I know is town, which fits a coasting wolf archetype. Has scum equity in both Dizzy wolf and Dizzy villa worlds.
NotAnAxehole - Probably town. Almost certainly town if Nook is scum; in that world Nook is TMI-ing Axe town and piggybacking his reads. Don't really have any concerns with this slot.
Seanzie - Probably just wrong town. The "Alison wolf wolf wolf" line seemed like genuine conviction; general dismissive attitude towards me is more reflective of town who thinks they've nailed a wolf and don't have time to hear their lies more than a wolf who's trying to get someone killed. POE if Dizzy flips villa.
TonyStarkPrime - Hard POE. Has done nothing, what little posting he's had has been uninspiring to wolfy (eg. "If Alison and Dizzy are fighting, Alison is probably a wolf" is a ridiculous take).

That's my legacy. Good luck.

[Alison]

I would vote BoKnows today actually, I think that's a good target

@MacDougall @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @falcon45ca @Luckbox Inc @Seanzie @Dyslexicon @Alison @Lu Ren

You are the players I would expect to vote there.

Diz is probably town and vouches for them so thats a bit of hesitation, but yeah I'd vote for them if that's where we want to go

why is dizzy town again

Game state and tbh i still kinda think you're mafia

why's the gamestate prove that dizzy is town

[NotAnAxehole]

If I had to pick, I'm killing Alison over Dizzy though. I'm also not killing Dizzy if Alison flips town tomorrow.

[Alison]

Why are people still clinging to solo wagons? It's such bad play.

I agree, I've been voting what I think should be a main wagon that people consolidate on.

[Alison]

"dunya I noticed your post about how my posts are too eloquently constructed and feel artificial and I don't really know how to respond to that except that all my posts are like that. I strive for logical rigor and consistency in basically everything I do, whether it be real life behavior, town, or mafia. I tend to adopt a more formal tone and that sometimes comes off as artificial or forced. That's all there is to it."

Found this from Alison in space invaders-- and yeah she's definitely a very good wolf but the Dunya read is correct, and I can feel it there in reading her iso. I don't have the same impression of her posts here. In one sense she's "less villagery" here than in that game, where there she is really going out of her way to interact with people, question them, and has long posts explaining her reads. There is less of that here and I don't see the aggression that she's had in this game in Space wars. Still reading it..

To be absolutely fair I was intentionally playing different in Space Invaders to exploit the fact that nobody in that game was familiar with my meta at the time. eg. using AtE to get nutella to blast dunya. I wouldn't play that game the same way now.

[Alison]

I would vote BoKnows today actually, I think that's a good target

@MacDougall @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @falcon45ca @Luckbox Inc @Seanzie @Dyslexicon @Alison @Lu Ren

You are the players I would expect to vote there.

Diz is probably town and vouches for them so thats a bit of hesitation, but yeah I'd vote for them if that's where we want to go

why is dizzy town again

Game state and tbh i still kinda think you're mafia

I'm torn between level 0 player and mafia, but I'm currently leaning level 0, was previously leaning mafia. Consider I almost took her off of DOO, and onto me by saying something rude. Like, I initially misread that by thinking that she was able to evaluate NAI things, but upon my own re-evaluation, I think the NAI thing only came into play because the DOO read existed, and it was a decent/convenient justification for jumping back onto her first scum read. I think she would have gone full on tunnel vs me if it happened before the DOO argument... Instead I get locked into a town box because NAI over time just turns into towny along that same vein.

Don't know if you're mixing me up with someone else; I think I've townread you all game and I've never felt a particularly strong urge to vote you.

Don't know what you mean by the rest of the stuff about NAI and so forth. I'm a level 0 player because it's the correct way to play mafia. Fundamentals and Occam's Razor > FPS mind games shit.

[Alison]

Alright, I've finished catching up. Legacy is clear. If I die, someone who respects me should repost it SOD3 to remind people. See you.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I would vote BoKnows today actually, I think that's a good target

@MacDougall @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @falcon45ca @Luckbox Inc @Seanzie @Dyslexicon @Alison @Lu Ren

You are the players I would expect to vote there.

Diz is probably town and vouches for them so thats a bit of hesitation, but yeah I'd vote for them if that's where we want to go

why is dizzy town again

Game state and tbh i still kinda think you're mafia

why's the gamestate prove that dizzy is town

If I wanted to elaborate i probably would've

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I would vote BoKnows today actually, I think that's a good target

@MacDougall @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @falcon45ca @Luckbox Inc @Seanzie @Dyslexicon @Alison @Lu Ren

You are the players I would expect to vote there.

Diz is probably town and vouches for them so thats a bit of hesitation, but yeah I'd vote for them if that's where we want to go

why is dizzy town again

Game state and tbh i still kinda think you're mafia

I'm torn between level 0 player and mafia, but I'm currently leaning level 0, was previously leaning mafia. Consider I almost took her off of DOO, and onto me by saying something rude. Like, I initially misread that by thinking that she was able to evaluate NAI things, but upon my own re-evaluation, I think the NAI thing only came into play because the DOO read existed, and it was a decent/convenient justification for jumping back onto her first scum read. I think she would have gone full on tunnel vs me if it happened before the DOO argument... Instead I get locked into a town box because NAI over time just turns into towny along that same vein.

Eh, fair enough. Maybe I'm holding on to the read too long

[NotAnAxehole]

I would vote BoKnows today actually, I think that's a good target

@MacDougall @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @falcon45ca @Luckbox Inc @Seanzie @Dyslexicon @Alison @Lu Ren

You are the players I would expect to vote there.

Diz is probably town and vouches for them so thats a bit of hesitation, but yeah I'd vote for them if that's where we want to go

why is dizzy town again

Game state and tbh i still kinda think you're mafia

I'm torn between level 0 player and mafia, but I'm currently leaning level 0, was previously leaning mafia. Consider I almost took her off of DOO, and onto me by saying something rude. Like, I initially misread that by thinking that she was able to evaluate NAI things, but upon my own re-evaluation, I think the NAI thing only came into play because the DOO read existed, and it was a decent/convenient justification for jumping back onto her first scum read. I think she would have gone full on tunnel vs me if it happened before the DOO argument... Instead I get locked into a town box because NAI over time just turns into towny along that same vein.

Don't know if you're mixing me up with someone else; I think I've townread you all game and I've never felt a particularly strong urge to vote you.

Don't know what you mean by the rest of the stuff about NAI and so forth. I'm a level 0 player because it's the correct way to play mafia. Fundamentals and Occam's Razor > FPS mind games shit.

I don't get this if you're town, why not go back and check your own ISO to see that you voted me?

[NotAnAxehole]

Alright, I've finished catching up. Legacy is clear. If I die, someone who respects me should repost it SOD3 to remind people. See you.

I mean, I'm probably not considering your legacy in any way regardless of your alignment.

[Luckbox Inc]

It's spots like these where I would rather be a wolf. It's really easy sometimes when you just know all the roles. Wolfing is just a performance. This is "work" and it's frustrating that a number of people I think are villagers are in opposing camps.

Team Alison though and hopefully not being owned.

[Lu Ren]

Disgruntled current state:

Probably Town:
Lu Ren
Seanzie
Belzy/BoKnows

Soft town:
NotAnAxehole
Luckbox Inc
falcon45ca

Debating on my read:
TonyStarkPrime
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Light Scum:
fingersplints
Grogu/Syn/Mac

Scum:
Dyslexicon or Alison
EnderWiggin

i almost got upset at you for putting ender in the bottom tier and then i realized you were ender

[NotAnAxehole]

It's spots like these where I would rather be a wolf. It's really easy sometimes when you just know all the roles. Wolfing is just a performance. This is "work" and it's frustrating that a number of people I think are villagers are in opposing camps.

Team Alison though and hopefully not being owned.

There is no team Alison or team Dizzy, there are just 3 townies voting on their own, and two people bickering.

[Alison]

I don't get this if you're town, why not go back and check your own ISO to see that you voted me?

You mean the vote I made for 5 seconds because I misread your post and thought you scumslipped?

No, that doesn't actually amount to a serious scumread of you.

[Alison]

Alright, I've finished catching up. Legacy is clear. If I die, someone who respects me should repost it SOD3 to remind people. See you.

I mean, I'm probably not considering your legacy in any way regardless of your alignment.

My legacy is directed at other players, not you. You are not a player I expect to sheep my legacy, because you are an egoistical player who has a low opinion of the other players in this game.

[NotAnAxehole]

I don't get this if you're town, why not go back and check your own ISO to see that you voted me?

You mean the vote I made for 5 seconds because I misread your post and thought you scumslipped?

No, that doesn't actually amount to a serious scumread of you.

Eh, it amounts to a L0 reflex read... Which is what I said basically.

[Alison]

Alright leaving for real now.

[NotAnAxehole]

Alright, I've finished catching up. Legacy is clear. If I die, someone who respects me should repost it SOD3 to remind people. See you.

I mean, I'm probably not considering your legacy in any way regardless of your alignment.

My legacy is directed at other players, not you. You are not a player I expect to sheep my legacy, because you are an egoistical player who has a low opinion of the other players in this game.

You tunneled town D1, and I think you're doing it again? I'm sorry what should I stop to consider about your play?

I'm doing my best to work with my town reads, but they are doing their best to not work with each other.

[Lu Ren]

if y'all actually kill alison i have no words

she was obviously town d1 and she's even more obviously town right now

[NotAnAxehole]

if y'all actually kill alison i have no words

she was obviously town d1 and she's even more obviously town right now

If you've read, I'm not arguing that she's scum.

[Lu Ren]

i don't get why people are approaching everything like an association right now? it's why we're in this situation in the first place?

flip a wolf and then figure out associations, alison definitely isn't a wolf because doo and saying if alison flips one alignment or another it specifically singles out exactly three people or saying that we shouldn't kill the wolfiest people because then we would Have to kill someone else just to make us feel better ignores the fact that we have brains and we can use them and we can find town if we actually try

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm just saying, I would kill her over Dizzy and I think it's bad that she's insisting on this stupid tunnel that none of my town reads, except maybe you care about.

[Lu Ren]

if y'all actually kill alison i have no words

she was obviously town d1 and she's even more obviously town right now

If you've read, I'm not arguing that she's scum.

sure, so let's kill mafia instead

[NotAnAxehole]

if y'all actually kill alison i have no words

she was obviously town d1 and she's even more obviously town right now

If you've read, I'm not arguing that she's scum.

sure, so let's kill mafia instead

That requires you to not vote Dizzy

[Lu Ren]

I'm just saying, I would kill her over Dizzy and I think it's bad that she's insisting on this stupid tunnel that none of my town reads, except maybe you care about.

yes but insisting on tunnels is hallmark alison gameplay just ignore it and kill mafia and don't kill her just because you don't agree with her reads

she's town, hard clear her, move on, let wolves kill her later, convince other town members about who you think mafia is and then eliminate them and then win the game

[Lu Ren]

if y'all actually kill alison i have no words

she was obviously town d1 and she's even more obviously town right now

If you've read, I'm not arguing that she's scum.

sure, so let's kill mafia instead

That requires you to not vote Dizzy

yes ok i've explicitly stated the pool of people i'd be fine killing in any thoughts on who you'd prefer?

[NotAnAxehole]

if y'all actually kill alison i have no words

she was obviously town d1 and she's even more obviously town right now

If you've read, I'm not arguing that she's scum.

sure, so let's kill mafia instead

That requires you to not vote Dizzy

yes ok i've explicitly stated the pool of people i'd be fine killing in any thoughts on who you'd prefer?

TSP / BoKnows is our overlap.

I will vote for other people in that if all of my town reads join in, but like, for my reads personally I'd go there.

[Dyslexicon]

"dunya I noticed your post about how my posts are too eloquently constructed and feel artificial and I don't really know how to respond to that except that all my posts are like that. I strive for logical rigor and consistency in basically everything I do, whether it be real life behavior, town, or mafia. I tend to adopt a more formal tone and that sometimes comes off as artificial or forced. That's all there is to it."

Found this from Alison in space invaders-- and yeah she's definitely a very good wolf but the Dunya read is correct, and I can feel it there in reading her iso. I don't have the same impression of her posts here. In one sense she's "less villagery" here than in that game, where there she is really going out of her way to interact with people, question them, and has long posts explaining her reads. There is less of that here and I don't see the aggression that she's had in this game in Space wars. Still reading it..

I took a look back at Space Invaders too after reading this. That was Alison's first game here apparently. I only skimmed, but I will say she seems more wordy and explain-y in that game. A similarity I see is her opening with giving confident scum reads (instead of town reads, which I've seen her do a lot as town). My maybe pet theory was that her handling of me can be explained by her not wanting to walk back an obvious terrible read like the way she did in Space Invaders, cause she knows she's used that trick one too many times. What I can't consolidate with her being town is how bad and dismissive her handling of me has been fmpov. And she does twist things/look away from truths in Space Invaders, which I feel like she's doing here.

[Lu Ren]

if y'all actually kill alison i have no words

she was obviously town d1 and she's even more obviously town right now

If you've read, I'm not arguing that she's scum.

sure, so let's kill mafia instead

That requires you to not vote Dizzy

yes ok i've explicitly stated the pool of people i'd be fine killing in any thoughts on who you'd prefer?

TSP / BoKnows is our overlap.

I will vote for other people in that if all of my town reads join in, but like, for my reads personally I'd go there.

which are your other personal reads that don't overlap in order of strength?

what did you think of tsp's posting today?