basic mafia [END]

[NotAnAxehole]

@MacDougall Maybe you should vote on the counter wagon?

[MacDougall]

I do not feel good about this at all. If my sudden feel on Mac is right then Alison probably town he was shielding/pocketing.

[VOTE: ender] aubergine

[EnderWiggin]

Reads progression explanation:
Tiering down Lu Ren because they seem inno but I can't townlock anymore if my reads are in a wrong state.

Downgrading Alison because my reread seeded doubts. Upping Nanook because they're tied to Axe for now, re-eval later.

Upping Falcon because they actually seem to be playing town-meta.

Mac gets dropped to maybe scum because their slank is bad.

Yoooo this is a fucking scumslip you know I've been sleeping.

I mean, the vote on Alison is a scum claim, but I couldn't see a way to kill him today. Not enough votes.

Missed the mark by...

Oh my god he's shooting the wrong direction.

[Seanzie]

Reads progression explanation:
Tiering down Lu Ren because they seem inno but I can't townlock anymore if my reads are in a wrong state.

Downgrading Alison because my reread seeded doubts. Upping Nanook because they're tied to Axe for now, re-eval later.

Upping Falcon because they actually seem to be playing town-meta.

Mac gets dropped to maybe scum because their slank is bad.

Yoooo this is a fucking scumslip you know I've been sleeping.

You were afk most of yesterday afternoon but okay.

You really think volume is a tell for me? You just wolfed with me and I 300 posted d1. Opportunistic as fuck.

Is it that you were sleeping or is it that volume isn't a tell for you?

how bout both

Sorry, I don't have enough money to talk to you.

[MacDougall]

cfd plz

[Luckbox Inc]

Ok so looks like Alison and bo each three. My gut still says Alison town, so I’d probably prefer bo but I don’t know if this Alison suspicion is going to monopolise every day might be better to just get it over with

Can someone quickly summarise points on bo sorry

fingers wolfin

[EnderWiggin]

Could cfd mac but it's last minute

[MacDougall]

ENDER CFD ENDER CFD

[MacDougall]

Could cfd mac but it's last minute

open wolf

[Dyslexicon]

Mac you vote is useless

[Luckbox Inc]

ENDER CFD ENDER CFD

nah......Would you vote fingers?

[MacDougall]

Mac you vote is useless

you're useless

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

[NotAnAxehole]

Could cfd mac but it's last minute

open wolf

Not enough votes, join counter wagon on bo

[MacDougall]

ENDER CFD ENDER CFD

nah......Would you vote fingers?

no

[EnderWiggin]

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

Are you serious.

[Dyslexicon]

Alison

[MacDougall]

Could cfd mac but it's last minute

open wolf

Not enough votes, join counter wagon on bo

could have been enough votes if y'all voted instead of just saying you couldn't.

[NotAnAxehole]

I count 3. I tried earlier Mac, why you no listen?

[Marmot]

@BoKnows was yeeted, he was town.

It's Night 2, the thread is now locked.

Spoiler: show

@Alison
@Dyslexicon
@EnderWiggin
@falcon45ca
@fingersplints
@Lu Ren
@Luckbox Inc
@MacDougall
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@NotAnAxehole
@Seanzie
@TonyStarkPrime

[Marmot]

@Seanzie was deaded, he was town.

It's Day 3, you have ~48 hours

Spoiler: show

@Alison
@Dyslexicon
@EnderWiggin
@falcon45ca
@fingersplints
@Lu Ren
@Luckbox Inc
@MacDougall
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@NotAnAxehole
@TonyStarkPrime

[Luckbox Inc]

So I thought night was one hour later than it was so that explains my eod..

[Marmot]

Host Clarification:

The tiebreaker yesterday was determined by the player who reached the plurality first, as best as I could discern from the thread.

[EnderWiggin]

Spoiler: show

856 = Asks Luckbox what previous reads were
857 = Asks Seanzie why v!Alison = w!Dizzy
858 = v!Falcon read
859 = Votes TSP
863 = Asks Axe to elaborate on why not voting Alison is insulting her
864 = Asking for clarification on Axe's reads
873 = Provides non-answer to Seanzie questioning TSP vote
908 = Asks Axe how the question was rhetorical
913 = Votes Axe
915 = "shhh im openwolfing" When asked about why voting Axe
941 = Says Alison can't catch him if he's wolf
942 = Says that Esooa kill means nothing because it was likely SPK
943 = Duplicate post of the above
946 = Asks why Seanzie thought he had a read on Seanze vs Alison
951 = Says Alison is "Definitely inside her wolfrange" and Seanzie is inno child
952 = "I have no read on Dizzy"
954 = Says Lu Ren probably town
956 = Says that if Mac/Alison dies then WIM dies and wolves coast
958 = Asks where I was, asks if I randed wolf
959 = Says Lu Ren was genuine Derpclear
963 = Asks why Alison is resigned as it should take a very strong case to chop
965 = Says he's inclined to side with Alison
966 = Asks Dizzy to make posts
967 = Makes read that he believes Dizzy would've answered yes to being wolf if they were town
969 = Asks Alison in 30 words or fewer why dizzy is mafia and who her top 2 town were
970 = Asks Nanook why his vote is chained to Axe
971 = Says Fingersplints is town
972 = Further tr on Fingersplints
974 = Says Belzy is town (Interesting as a read he later overturns to lynch them.)
976 = "Huh?" at Seanzie
977 = Asks why Alison thinks Axe is town
978 = Addendums to correct grammar (thank you)
980 = Quotes Esooa saying "Probs turbo Dizzy" and votes Dizzy
981 = Says Hello to Seanzie
984 = Says he wants to tr people making reads outside Alison
985 = Has no idea what Seanzie is poking him about
986 = Says TSP's comment about voting DOO D1 was ridiculous
989 = Shifty smily when Alison says Mac probably town
991 = Says to Seanzie he doubts Alison is being bussed
993 = Asks Alison why she only named two mafia names
1030 = Says hi to me
1031 = Asks if he'll ever be anything more than a Deep Wolf to me
1034 = Says fine to my response
1035 = Says I seem towny enough
1191 = Says the game is weird (Scumtell =P)
1192 = "Seanzie openwolfing"
1196 = Asks Axe why he has Seanzie as town
1199 = Suggests that if Seanzie is town and scumread him then Seanzie would've hard tunnelled.
1202 = Dismisses Nanook read with "Nanook indicative" (Unfortunately true statement)
1205 = Votes Seanzie
1206 = Asks Luck if he has read on Seanzie
1208 = Suggests Seanzie change up his town game if he's town.
1211 = "Okay let me just check off "doesn't care about the town winning the game" on my bingo card." @ Seanzie
1286 = Says "Yes" when I ask if I had a reason he swapped to Nanook silently
1287 = Says we probably vote elsewhere to Axe
1288 = Votes Falcon (Note how he had Falcon/Me both town as well as Belzy, reverses reads on all three)
1299 = Says Falcon has done "sfa"
1300 = "Downloading information" when I ask for more details about silent nanook vote
1305 = Says "ok" when Axe says falcon probably town
1533 = Calls me saying he'd started slanking as a scumslip
1539 = Changes tact in the argument, saying "Do you think volume is a tell"
1540 = "For a lot of it yes. The rest of the time I was mostly binge watching Daredevil and Defenders." - When asked by Seanzie if he slept the whole time
1547 = "Oh look everyone it's open scum Seanzie here to put his 2c in. Well talking to me costs 3c nerd so get the fick out of here."
1548 = "How about both" when asked if he was sleeping or if volume isn't a tell
1552 = Votes me
1555 = Asks for CFD on me
1558 = "ENDER CF ENDER CFD"
1559 = Says "openwolf" about my cfd Mac comment
1562 = Says Dizzy is useless when Dizzy says his vote on me is useless
1565 = "no" when asked if he'd vote fingers
1568 = "could have been enough votes if y'all voted instead of just saying you couldn't."
Previous slots:
Grogu = No posts
Syn = Fluff, calls Axe a wolf, votes Belzy, more fluff, calls falcon town for a "funny angleshoot", pokes Dizzy, then subs out.

So his reads seem to shift very much as he requires them in this game, I've seen only fourish consistent stances:
w!Seanzie
v!Fingers
v!Lu Ren

And after initial fossing a v!Alison, Seems to imply a v!Axe read and a w!Dizzy read but waffles around this a lot.
Reverses three towny reads to try for votes/lynches (Falcon, Me, Bo)

Trying to distract heavily from the Alison/Dizzy situation (This could imply t/t he's trying to keep alive, but I'd honestly not read into it a huge amount, w!Mac is perfectly capable of wifom.)
Low activity and almost no actual solving posts, a lot of his reads seem to be fluid depending on what he needs at the moment, which I shouldn't have to elaborate on why THAT isn't a towny outlook. He also has almost no progression, with reads either stuck in a static state (Fingers/Seanzie/Lu Ren/Alison after initial suspicion) and his only "Progression" is his Alison read sliding towards town which his open to that whole suspicion looked heavily like he was going to commit to anyway.
Doesn't have a solid defense against what was, for me, merely a slight note as I was trying to sort my solve out after my progression put me in an untenable POE and I had to hard-revise. (Lots of people saying that wasn't real progression but that's honestly weird af. I highlighted how I'd reached the "too many town" state and had to hard-change lane to establish a proper POE to work from. I can't box scum in if I'm tring scum. So I demoted all the people I didn't have somewhat solid reasons for, highlighted why they were demoted and changed.)

This game reads somewhat similar to African Birds Mafia where Mac kinda slanked and played low input as scum. He's probably trying to specifically change his scum meta because people on this site just dealt with a very high WIM game where he not only high posted but played a very solvy style, possibly looking to use the contrast to paint him townier due to his low-input style this game.
More-over he plays very hard into the Dizzy/Alison fight, as if stoking it further. Calls both wolf early on, but specifically when he's interacting with either one. Though the Alison call was much cagier. I don't want to read into this and get wifomed by him.

This is my overnight case.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

[Dyslexicon]

I dove into some of Alisons recent games during the night, and I think I’ve probably been wrong and she’s just town. In trying to explain it I’d say her dismissiveness in Space Invaders is more cold and methodical, whereas I see a combativeness/dismissiveness that is more openly angry and “warm”, in that sense, in her recent town games. And that’s more like what she’s been putting out this game, I think. She’s also been somewhat tunnel visioned there. I’ve probably held her to an unreasonable standard tbh. Really the post I doubt Alison makes as scum is the one to Axe, telling him he’s an egotistical player. I still have problems with Alison’s play, but I don’t really think it’s my problem anymore.

If Alison is town, I’m left with an immediate pool of Ender, Nanook, Mac and TPS. I’d say Lu Ren and Fingers in my side vision, but I don’t really feel it. This is more on the top of head takes.

[Dyslexicon]

I have more thoughts than this, but I’m traveling right now, and don’t have much capacity for play.

Rip Sean

[Dyslexicon]

Host Clarification:

The tiebreaker yesterday was determined by the player who reached the plurality first, as best as I could discern from the thread.

Don’t know if it matters, but I was not aware of this.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: MAC] aubergine

[NotAnAxehole]

Host Clarification:

The tiebreaker yesterday was determined by the player who reached the plurality first, as best as I could discern from the thread.

Don’t know if it matters, but I was not aware of this.

Alison definitely reached plurality first, but my lack of thread presence while vote swapping probably affected host's ability to check which is cool.

[NotAnAxehole]

@Alison what do you do when Occam's razor says you're mafia? Do you make the level 0 play by killing your own slot?

[EnderWiggin]

[VOTE: MAC] aubergine

You are not even voting Mac?

[EnderWiggin]

@Alison what do you do when Occam's razor says you're mafia? Do you make the level 0 play by killing your own slot?

Yo, explain why you townread Mac.

[NotAnAxehole]

@Alison what do you do when Occam's razor says you're mafia? Do you make the level 0 play by killing your own slot?

Yo, explain why you townread Mac.

No

[EnderWiggin]

@Alison what do you do when Occam's razor says you're mafia? Do you make the level 0 play by killing your own slot?

Yo, explain why you townread Mac.

No

Well, I tried. Got my own townleans against me.

[NotAnAxehole]

@Alison what do you do when Occam's razor says you're mafia? Do you make the level 0 play by killing your own slot?

Yo, explain why you townread Mac.

No

Well, I tried. Got my own townleans against me.

I'm ok losing in the hill that mac and Nanook are town because some of my town reads simply refuse to form or vote on wagons.

[EnderWiggin]

@Alison what do you do when Occam's razor says you're mafia? Do you make the level 0 play by killing your own slot?

Yo, explain why you townread Mac.

No

Well, I tried. Got my own townleans against me.

I'm ok losing in the hill that mac and Nanook are town because some of my town reads simply refuse to form or vote on wagons.

Issue solved if you work out I'm town. =P

[NotAnAxehole]

@Alison what do you do when Occam's razor says you're mafia? Do you make the level 0 play by killing your own slot?

Yo, explain why you townread Mac.

No

Well, I tried. Got my own townleans against me.

I'm ok losing in the hill that mac and Nanook are town because some of my town reads simply refuse to form or vote on wagons.

Issue solved if you work out I'm town. =P

I went for a concensus play yesterday because I figured doing a deep dive really wouldn't yield much except waste my time, if you're looking for someone to re-read and re-evaluate, that ain't me.

[NotAnAxehole]

Maybe I'll change my mind over the course of the day and be that egotistical maniac who tries to reach a town concensus, or maybe I'll just tunnel you, we'll see.

I don't think I can bring myself to vote off the main 2 wagons at EOD because that's game throwing, and I don't think I can get myself to re-read because that would be pointless even if i was able to get a good read on the game.

[EnderWiggin]

Maybe I'll change my mind over the course of the day and be that egotistical maniac who tries to reach a town concensus, or maybe I'll just tunnel you, we'll see.

I don't think I can bring myself to vote off the main 2 wagons at EOD because that's game throwing, and I don't think I can get myself to re-read because that would be pointless even if i was able to get a good read on the game.

This is the least egotistical post from you yet.

Are you okay Axe?

[NotAnAxehole]

Maybe I'll change my mind over the course of the day and be that egotistical maniac who tries to reach a town concensus, or maybe I'll just tunnel you, we'll see.

I don't think I can bring myself to vote off the main 2 wagons at EOD because that's game throwing, and I don't think I can get myself to re-read because that would be pointless even if i was able to get a good read on the game.

This is the least egotistical post from you yet.

Are you okay Axe?

Let's just wait and see how other players enter the day for now.

[EnderWiggin]

Also Axe, you've somehow managed to be partially responsible for lynching one of my main townreads in every game so far.

[EnderWiggin]

Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiilent Night.
Hoooooooooooooly Night.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: ender] aubergine

fine with a t'dome here

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: MAC] aubergine

You are not even voting Mac?

Whoops! Was at work, thought I'd hit the poll. I'll remedy that right meow

[EnderWiggin]

[VOTE: ender] aubergine

fine with a t'dome here

Shocking.

[MacDougall]

it's pretty obvious that you were pinned in such a way that you had no choice but to come out guns blazing at me but you are transparently obvious wolf and will die today so get your shit in

[EnderWiggin]

it's pretty obvious that you were pinned in such a way that you had no choice but to come out guns blazing at me but you are transparently obvious wolf and will die today so get your shit in

Lmao.

My case is done.

I'mma spend the rest of the day getting other reads out there.

[MacDougall]

it's pretty obvious that you were pinned in such a way that you had no choice but to come out guns blazing at me but you are transparently obvious wolf and will die today so get your shit in

Lmao.

My case is done.

I'mma spend the rest of the day getting other reads out there.

cool

[TonyStarkPrime]

whoa mac's in this game

[Lu Ren]

it's pretty obvious that you were pinned in such a way that you had no choice but to come out guns blazing at me but you are transparently obvious wolf and will die today so get your shit in

this is not very towny